₦airaland Forum

Whalis:
With this your rare sanity of mind although still tainted with indescribable and incoherent words of a wine bibber, you would have optimized this opportunity to appeal to your brothers-in-terrorism Hamas to release Israelis in their captivity.
No strong man dialogues with a weak man. It is a simple principle by nature. It is either Hamas releases the Israelis in their captivity or they stand head to head with the firepower of the Israelis.
It happened here in Nigeria. I

seunmsg:
Isreali leaders know the west can't do anything to them other than make empty noise. Everyone knows that Israel had since crossed the red line and now committing serious war crimes in Rafah but they are all going to look away or at best make empty noise like this.

Paraman:
I'm still waiting for when the hypocritical west will start sanctioning Israel and netayanhu

AuthorMan:
Ukraine wants to join NATO. And so what?
Is that a crime?

DeepSight:
I dont think I need to respond to this brazen and absurd falsehood.



This is because Egypt -

1. Is not the occupying power with respect to Gaza and West Bank
2. Maintains its border for the main purpose of avoiding a clash with that very same occupying power.



In prisons the world over, smuggling of illiicit goods such as drugs, tobacco and alcohol still occur. That there is successful smuggling into Gaza does not disprove its status as a prison. It actually affirms it, because if it were not blockaded, there would be no need for smuggling. They would simply legitimately import arms just the way other free countries do.



Names are not so relevant as actually history. Names come from many sources. That the world "Nigeria"is a British invention does not mean the peoples called Nigerians today did not already live in the space called Nigeria today.



The United Nations and the International Community have recognized Israeli settlements on the West Bank as illegal for decades now. There is no justification for them. What does the word ïntifada mean? It means uprising. And yes, a captive people have a right to rise up and revolt. Even violently, yes, because they are kept captive with violence.



Millions of black South Africans had access to white reserved areas in apartheid South Africa with their work passes in order to go and work. What part of the mechanics of cheap slave labor do you fail to understand?



You accuse me of lying and yet you lie with breathtaking ease.
At all events, they have all been flattened as we speak - under the usual Israeli excuse that they are actually Hamas bases.



Now here is what you biblical lot fail to understand. Populations move. Migration is a steady fact of history. Conquest, wars, famines, trade, and myriad other factors ensure the constant fluidity of populations.

Now settle down and understand. Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D, almost 2000 years ago. After that, most of the Jews moved into diaspora, in the middle east as well as Europe. Mostly into Europe. In the intervening time, there was the rise of Christianity and Islam. At the time of the first crusade about one thousand years ago, Arabs had already migrated into the land called Palestine (I have told you already that the fact that Rome gave the name is inconsequential). And through four to five crusades which lasted centuries, Arabs and European Christians contested that land and dwelt there along with a small Jewish remnant, because the majority of Jews had since moved into diaspora.

Now, you have European settlers who are recognized as indigenes of America even though they only moved there in the last few centuries. How can you claim that Arabs who have been in Palestine for over a thousand years from the time of the crusades are not indigenous to the land? Indeed, they were the dominant people of that land thoughout the last millenium all the way down to the time of the Ottoman Empire which also colonized the place.

After the second world war, there was a move by European powers to resolve the Jewish question of Europe by creating a Jewish state. And because Britain held Palestine under a United Nations Mandate, they were able to create the State of Israel in 1948 under a United Nations mandate. And for this reason, Jews who had been living in Europe for 2000 years, Jews who had been thoroughly Europeanized therefore, were moved back to a Palestine which already had Arabs dwelling there for more than a thousand years. There is no way you can claim that a settler population which had lived in Europe for the last two thousand years to the extent that they have become white - unlike the brown color of their semitic cousins in the same region - are more indigenous to the land than those who have dwelt there for the last one thousand years.

And yes, this is why it is not wrong to call them Europeans. They are settlers from Europe, and many of them are not actual Jews. Any serious observer knows that the Israelis of today are simply not the same as the Israelites of the bible. Those Israelities of the bible were semitic people just as Arabs are semitic people - they were not the caucasian white men we see in Israel today. They were every bit as brown skinned as Arabs are today.

Needless to say, when you try such a settlement of a foreign poulation, conflict will break out. That Israel came out on top is a fact of life based on the technological superiority of the Europeans. This says nothing about the authentic and historical issues at play. \

Since that time, every peace agreement which has arisen from the Western world to resolve this issue is horribly skewed. At all events, the apartheid repressive policies which the European colonial settlers have maintained agains the indigenous Arabs remain inhumane and condemnable by all people of conscience.



And Ashkenazi Europeans. Please try not to send me to google. I find that irritating.



I know where he was born. And it is inconsequential.



I have not insulted you today. You have started again and later you will end up the way you did the other day by calling me rude.



Please try not to ask me to read up elementary things.

This is not a mere appeal to authority. Mandela and Tutu are not professional experts in some field of knowledge such as humanitarian sciences. They are people who lived through a very very real, very very vicious and visceral racist system and they are recognized heroic fighters against that injustice. It is not unreasonable to think that such people will be in a vantage position to recognize the very system they laboured against when pepertuated yet again by Europeans in another land.

At all events you should be careful with the negation of what may appear an appeal to authority. As a lawyer, I know very well that even courts of law, which are places of evidence, place reliance on the testimony of both experts in a field as well as people who have had substantal experience of a matter. So some appeals to authority can be rational, and i put it to you that even where citing the views of Mabiba and Tutu are an appeal to authority, it would be a rational one.



Firstly, there is no reason why Arabs will not be part of Israel when as I have told you, they have lived tehre for over a thousand years. It is the Israeli population that was imported, not them. Secondly this takes nothing away from the reality of apartheid being enforced against the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza.



I dont think your focusing this issue around Jesus is useful in anyway. As far as the Jews are concerned there are far more important historical figures than Jesus. Such as Abraham, who came from Ur of the Chaldeans - a place which was in modern day Iraq. So be careful when you want to go back into history and just how far back yoy want to go.

And how did the so called promised land now become the inheritance of his descendants? Because their mountain deity told them to go and kill the Canaanites there and take the land as theirs, right? By genocide right? Please see the book of Samuel to read the specific genocidal injunctions of Yahweh where he decrees that even the cattle of the people who owned that land should be slaughtered. Is this the biblical history on which you benchmark your belief that this land belongs to "the chosen people?"

cc: tctrills. I only tag you here because I doubt I will ever have the special energy to address you on some of the issues touched on here. I can only pray that you will think seriously about them for once.

Cul4real:
One thing I don't know is that why Hamas hides under civilians gathering and in the tunnel instead to come out in their own land and face isreal, after all they started the war on October 7th. Isreal would have had opportunity to safe civilians if Hamas can come out. Death to all terrorist on earth and hell follow in heaven.

tctrills:
My child, I didn't see the need to read your your write-up so tagging me was just a waste of your time. You are just a troublesome person , just like your Hamas bros.

DeepSight:
Maybe you cannot read. I did not wish for the destruction of Israel. I wished for the freedom of the oppressed Palestinian people from apartheid.

BolaAThubv:
Stop being clever by half. What exactly do you mean by the defeat of Israel in your lifetime? Considering the number of attempts that have been made to defeat Israel in this same era and lifetime, we already know where you're coming from.

Muslims lie alot and without lies, Islam will die. Your Taqiyya cannot work here.

DeepSight:
1. The war did not start on Oct 7.

2. A guerilla army facing a high tech, nuclear armed orthodox army backed by the biggest powers in the world has no choice but to deploy guerilla tactics.

3. Resistant movements are always tagged terrorists by the West and its allies. They tagged Nelson Mandel a terrorist. Many of you dont know that he was on the USA terrorism watchlist up till 2008.

DeepSight:
I dont think I need to respond to this brazen and absurd falsehood.



This is because Egypt -

1. Is not the occupying power with respect to Gaza and West Bank
2. Maintains its border for the main purpose of avoiding a clash with that very same occupying power.



In prisons the world over, smuggling of illiicit goods such as drugs, tobacco and alcohol still occur. That there is successful smuggling into Gaza does not disprove its status as a prison. It actually affirms it, because if it were not blockaded, there would be no need for smuggling. They would simply legitimately import arms just the way other free countries do.



Names are not so relevant as actually history. Names come from many sources. That the world "Nigeria"is a British invention does not mean the peoples called Nigerians today did not already live in the space called Nigeria today.



The United Nations and the International Community have recognized Israeli settlements on the West Bank as illegal for decades now. There is no justification for them. What does the word ïntifada mean? It means uprising. And yes, a captive people have a right to rise up and revolt. Even violently, yes, because they are kept captive with violence.



Millions of black South Africans had access to white reserved areas in apartheid South Africa with their work passes in order to go and work. What part of the mechanics of cheap slave labor do you fail to understand?



You accuse me of lying and yet you lie with breathtaking ease.
At all events, they have all been flattened as we speak - under the usual Israeli excuse that they are actually Hamas bases.



Now here is what you biblical lot fail to understand. Populations move. Migration is a steady fact of history. Conquest, wars, famines, trade, and myriad other factors ensure the constant fluidity of populations.

Now settle down and understand. Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D, almost 2000 years ago. After that, most of the Jews moved into diaspora, in the middle east as well as Europe. Mostly into Europe. In the intervening time, there was the rise of Christianity and Islam. At the time of the first crusade about one thousand years ago, Arabs had already migrated into the land called Palestine (I have told you already that the fact that Rome gave the name is inconsequential). And through four to five crusades which lasted centuries, Arabs and European Christians contested that land and dwelt there along with a small Jewish remnant, because the majority of Jews had since moved into diaspora.

Now, you have European settlers who are recognized as indigenes of America even though they only moved there in the last few centuries. How can you claim that Arabs who have been in Palestine for over a thousand years from the time of the crusades are not indigenous to the land? Indeed, they were the dominant people of that land thoughout the last millenium all the way down to the time of the Ottoman Empire which also colonized the place.

After the second world war, there was a move by European powers to resolve the Jewish question of Europe by creating a Jewish state. And because Britain held Palestine under a United Nations Mandate, they were able to create the State of Israel in 1948 under a United Nations mandate. And for this reason, Jews who had been living in Europe for 2000 years, Jews who had been thoroughly Europeanized therefore, were moved back to a Palestine which already had Arabs dwelling there for more than a thousand years. There is no way you can claim that a settler population which had lived in Europe for the last two thousand years to the extent that they have become white - unlike the brown color of their semitic cousins in the same region - are more indigenous to the land than those who have dwelt there for the last one thousand years.

And yes, this is why it is not wrong to call them Europeans. They are settlers from Europe, and many of them are not actual Jews. Any serious observer knows that the Israelis of today are simply not the same as the Israelites of the bible. Those Israelities of the bible were semitic people just as Arabs are semitic people - they were not the caucasian white men we see in Israel today. They were every bit as brown skinned as Arabs are today.

Needless to say, when you try such a settlement of a foreign poulation, conflict will break out. That Israel came out on top is a fact of life based on the technological superiority of the Europeans. This says nothing about the authentic and historical issues at play. \

Since that time, every peace agreement which has arisen from the Western world to resolve this issue is horribly skewed. At all events, the apartheid repressive policies which the European colonial settlers have maintained agains the indigenous Arabs remain inhumane and condemnable by all people of conscience.



And Ashkenazi Europeans. Please try not to send me to google. I find that irritating.



I know where he was born. And it is inconsequential.



I have not insulted you today. You have started again and later you will end up the way you did the other day by calling me rude.



Please try not to ask me to read up elementary things.

This is not a mere appeal to authority. Mandela and Tutu are not professional experts in some field of knowledge such as humanitarian sciences. They are people who lived through a very very real, very very vicious and visceral racist system and they are recognized heroic fighters against that injustice. It is not unreasonable to think that such people will be in a vantage position to recognize the very system they laboured against when pepertuated yet again by Europeans in another land.

At all events you should be careful with the negation of what may appear an appeal to authority. As a lawyer, I know very well that even courts of law, which are places of evidence, place reliance on the testimony of both experts in a field as well as people who have had substantal experience of a matter. So some appeals to authority can be rational, and i put it to you that even where citing the views of Mabiba and Tutu are an appeal to authority, it would be a rational one.



Firstly, there is no reason why Arabs will not be part of Israel when as I have told you, they have lived tehre for over a thousand years. It is the Israeli population that was imported, not them. Secondly this takes nothing away from the reality of apartheid being enforced against the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza.



I dont think your focusing this issue around Jesus is useful in anyway. As far as the Jews are concerned there are far more important historical figures than Jesus. Such as Abraham, who came from Ur of the Chaldeans - a place which was in modern day Iraq. So be careful when you want to go back into history and just how far back yoy want to go.

And how did the so called promised land now become the inheritance of his descendants? Because their mountain deity told them to go and kill the Canaanites there and take the land as theirs, right? By genocide right? Please see the book of Samuel to read the specific genocidal injunctions of Yahweh where he decrees that even the cattle of the people who owned that land should be slaughtered. Is this the biblical history on which you benchmark your belief that this land belongs to "the chosen people?"

cc: tctrills. I only tag you here because I doubt I will ever have the special energy to address you on some of the issues touched on here. I can only pray that you will think seriously about them for once.

DeepSight:
You have no conscience and no knowledge of history if you think this started on Oct 7.

Onogiede:
Absolutely no one can withstand Israel because God is always with them,..they are doing the right thing in flushing out terrorists not like Nigeria who's hiding sponsoring terrorists,.why can France tell Hamas to release all Israel hostage first,.we Nigeria stand for Israel

DeepSight:
I said the defeat of Israeli oppression and apartheid in our lifetime.
I am not Muslim.

If you doubt it visit my profile and just take a minute to flip through. I have always been vehemently anti-religious.
But I know you will not have a look. You will say you have no time for such rubbish.

But you have time to assume that anyone who despises the actions of Israel must be a muslim.
One does not have to be a Muslim to have a conscience in this matter.

firearcher:
Defending the indefensible. They can smuggle rockets and guns but can't smuggle the cookies their children need?

BolaAThubv:
Resistance to you Muslims is attacking and raping women, beheading and burning innocent babies, killing defenseless Holocaust survivors and kidnapping whoever else you can lay hands on as hostages. That market you Muslims have priced, you must surely buy. Shouting Genocide from morning till night will never stop Israel from accomplishing its mission in Gaza.

BolaAThubv:
My friend you're not discussing with your average brainless Nairalanders. I will roast you today if you're not careful. Go through that post again and show the world where you said Israeli oppression and apartheid will be defeated.

If you want to discuss Israel and Palestine, I will be more than willing to engage and educate you. Using buzz words like apartheid and oppression doesn't make any impression with me

DeepSight:
Well said Macron.

This rogue state called Israel must be stopped.

I am certain, in our lifetime, we will see the defeat of this monstrous colonial oppression. Just as we saw the end of apartheid in South Africa.

DeepSight:
The story about Hamas beheading and burning babies has since been shown to be a propagandist lie. Even Biden and co walked away from it. Please update yourself.

No amount of calling me muslim will make me a muslim. It only reveals you as narrowminded since you think only a muslim can criticise Israel. Maybe all the protesters in American universities are muslims as well.

Amayabor1:
Maybe you don't know that Trump/Republicans are a far greater supporter of Israel than Biden/Democrats 😅😂.

With Trump as president, Isreal will have 100% backing from the US

EponObi:
He doesn't. Any US president will always side with Israel any time, any day. But with Trump, he would have been firmer with Netanyahu and no give him free rein. The Hamas attack might not even have happened because the CIA, Mossad, and MI6 can't deny they didn't see it coming. Instead of the US military complex profiteering, Israel would have nipped the assault at the bud.

The Iranian - Israeli mini conflict won't have happened either. Neither would the Ukrainian - Russo war. That's how good Trump is at maintaining global peace, even though he's a madman. During the time, the entire world was at peace for 4 good years.

DeepSight:
Well said Macron.

This rogue state called Israel must be stopped.

I am certain, in our lifetime, we will see the defeat of this monstrous colonial oppression. Just as we saw the end of apartheid in South Africa.

DeepSight:
Here is my post.

Note the bold.



Please show me where I mentioned the destruction of Israel.

Liar.

BolaAThubv:
Are you aware more than 70% of those so-called protesters are Muslim migrants from the Middle East and North Africa? The other misguided 25% Americans do not even know what they're protesting for.

The singular fact that you're denying documented atrocities committed by Hamas and broadcast to the whole world by themselves on October 7 means you're living in self-denial and I shouldn't be having any type of conversation with you

BolaAThubv:
You even went to edit your post. My goodness! You Muslims are unbelievable!

nasbiafra:
why cant there be peace for once

DeepSight:
This only discloses your lack of objectivity.
Typical, when your views are based on misguided religion.

tctrills:
You keep talking like a child. I have read so much from you already. Refusing to read everything you tag on me doesn't mean I am not objective. But if that's how you feel, I can't change your view.
And I never told you that my views are based on religion, you just made that up.
Don't you see that it's you who lacks all objectivity here?

BolaAThubv:
Are you aware more than 70% of those so-called protesters are Muslim migrants from the Middle East and North Africa? The other misguided 25% Americans do not even know what they're protesting for.

The singular fact that you're denying documented atrocities committed by Hamas and broadcast to the whole world by themselves on October 7 means you're living in self-denial and I shouldn't be having any type of conversation with you