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blueAgent:
Who was Kelvin de bryne, Stones, Foden, Ake, Akanji, e.t.c b4 they became top stars?

guy since at everton stones was a brilliant defender if not city wouldn't have signed him, same with Ake.

Foden just like mainoo was doing well in the academy that's why he got calledup into the senior team.

De bruyne was a better mid-fielder at chelsea but didn't have playtime cause they didn't believe in him.

lexy2014:
how is a team that got to the final of CL not experienced for "that level of football"? what is the "level of football" that they are inexperienced for?

Borussia Dortmund were playing their first final in 11yrs, Madrid are used to the big stage, they had a coach who is a serial UCL winner. Alaba, Courtois, Carvajal, Modrid, Kroos, Rudiger, Velverde even Rodrigo and Vinicius have tasted it before. None apart from Reus in the Dortmund ranks knew what playing a UCL final felt like

cunny88:
Borussia Dortmund were playing their first final in 11yrs, Madrid are used to the big stage, they had a coach who is a serial UCL winner. Alaba, Courtois, Carvajal, Modrid, Kroos, Rudiger, Velverde even Rodrigo and Vinicius have tasted it before. None apart from Reus in the Dortmund ranks knew what playing a UCL final felt like

and so?

lexy2014:
and so?

I gave you my points, counter it.

cunny88:
I gave you my points, counter it.

how did your points answer my questions?

1. how is a team that got to the final of CL not experienced for "that level of football"?

2. what is the "level of football" that they are inexperienced for?

Only when they win it with ipswich that i will take them serious.

lexy2014:
how did your points answer my questions?

1. how is a team that got to the final of CL not experienced for "that level of football"?

2. what is the "level of football" that they are inexperienced for?

Experience simply means that you have done something before.
95% of the Dortmund lads and coaching crew were gracing the UCL final for the first time.

Typical

lexy2014:
how did your points answer my questions?

1. how is a team that got to the final of CL not experienced for "that level of football"?

2. what is the "level of football" that they are inexperienced for?

lagonovo:
Ferguson is not overhyped.

Before he joined Man United, he won the European Cup Winners Cup with a small team called Aberdeen beating Bayern Munich in the quarter final and Real Madrid in the final.

He also won the European Super Cup that year.

He went on to break Liverpool's record in the English league, a feat many thought was impossible at that time. He told them he would do it and he did.

wow never knew this.

cunny88:
Experience simply means that you have done something before.
95% of the Dortmund lads and coaching crew were gracing the UCL final for the first time.

I don't remember asking you for the meaning of experience. I asked "HOW" is a team that got to the final of CL not experienced for "that level of football"?

In other words, how did they qualify for the final?

What is UEFAs criteria for any team to be qualified to play in the final?

2. what is the "level of football" that they are inexperienced for?

The "level of football" is .............

You are bringing in figures. Can you defend your figures? How did you arrive at your 95%?

3. But if we have to go by your definition, pls which experience did Ajax have in 1995 when they won the CL against AC Milan and which experience did Dortmund in 1997 when they won the CL against Juventus?

lexy2014:
I don't remember asking you for the meaning of experience. I asked "HOW" is a team that got to the final of CL not experienced for "that level of football"?

In other words, how did they qualify for the final?

What is UEFAs criteria for any team to be qualified to play in the final?

2. what is the "level of football" that they are inexperienced for?

The "level of football" is .............

You are bringing in figures. Can you defend your figures? How did you arrive at your 95%?

3. But if we have to go by your definition, pls which experience did Ajax have in 1995 when they won the CL against AC Milan and which experience did Dortmund in 1997 when they won the CL against Juventus?

Yes off course there are one offs like liecester and montpellier winning the league, Greece winning the Euros, Sheriff Tirapsol beating Madrid.

Why do you think employers ask for years of experience?

Madrid wasn't lucky, this is something they have consistently done over the years.

cunny88:
Yes off course there are one offs like liecester and montpellier winning the league, Greece winning the Euros, Sheriff Tirapsol beating Madrid.

Why do you think employers ask for years of experience?

Madrid wasn't lucky, this is something they have consistently done over the years.

that is not what I asked you. pls try again.

1. I don't remember asking you for the meaning of experience. I asked "HOW" is a team that got to the final of CL not experienced for "that level of football"?

In other words, how did they qualify for the final?

What is UEFAs criteria for any team to be qualified to play in the final?

2. what is the "level of football" that they are inexperienced for?

The "level of football" is .............

You are bringing in figures. Can you defend your figures? How did you arrive at your 95%?

3. But if we have to go by your definition, pls which experience did Ajax have in 1995 when they won the CL against AC Milan and which experience did Dortmund in 1997 when they won the CL against Juventus?

Ever8090:
But what exactly was Ferguson doing all those years as a manager when he could only win just 2 champions league?...I think that guy is over hyped..

He is kind of because he had all the financial support coaching one of the richest club in the world, but I just respect him for he is a discipline coach. Look at the two finals he won, favor was with man U.
We saw what he did when the good coaches started showing interest in EPL. He took off

Lithiumite:
I think Zidane had it thrice back to back......that to me is the real record!! GOAT

3times

Jokerman:
Was Pep successful at smaller clubs?

He was successful he all clubs he coached

Bullman:
l

Ogah football isn't as competitive as it was back then..
There was Barcelona, Milan, porto, juventus, liverpool that will always play rubbish in premiership but become title contenders in every champions league.
When real madrid had the galaticos dem no de even smell semis mostly na round of 16 or quarterfinal.

Clubs are more stronger now because of the new owners. And what happened then was that great coaches were not really interested in EPL back then that was why he find it difficult facing those coaches in CL but easy to ride on the EPL coaches and getting the FA support doing that also but when the coaches started coming in, EPL started becoming a problem for him and he realised that and retired. Look at guardiola and mouriho, in short time you can see the EPL they got compare to fargi years

JohnnA1:
Ferguson is not over hyped.

He focused on the local league (EPL) as Liverpool were the established champions for a long time.

It was during the latter years (after dominating the EPL) that he started paying more attention to the Champions League.

Ferguson won 2 Champions Leagues out of just 4 finals.

He is not over hyped.

Focus on local league ke? He is good in is own way but over hyped because you will think he had won 5 champions league with the way they hyped him. that's the point. Fergie and klop play the same style of football and klop was able to get to 3finals and won 1 in his 7years spell. Only if klop got that favor from FA like fergi, he would have won more EPL. That is why people believe fergi is over hyped

Chikel20000:
Chelsea is building something big. Don't underestimate that club

Wetin you see?

ndu99:
guy since at everton stones was a brilliant defender if not city wouldn't have signed him, same with Ake.

Foden just like mainoo was doing well in the academy that's why he got calledup into the senior team.

De bruyne was a better mid-fielder at chelsea but didn't have playtime cause they didn't believe in him.

You see your double standard?
The same thing can be said of all the Liverpool players and players you mentioned b4.
Mane was a standout player at Southampton, Selah was aslo a standout player at Roma and Fiorentina, same with Vigrl and other Liverpool players.

A good coach improves players.
Both Klopp and Pep have done that to the players they worked with.

Silentgroper:
were they worth 100m ??

Who once bought the most expensive Goal keeper and defender?

Getbetter:
Did I mention that Carlo Ancelotti is the best coach among others? No

This is to tell you that their respective failures to deliver up to expectations at some clubs despite availability of good resources shows they are not flawless.
No coach is king.

But you were blaming PEP for winning only one UCL with mancity and none with Bayern.

ericmor:
Focus on local league ke? He is good in is own way but over hyped because you will think he had won 5 champions league with the way they hyped him. that's the point. Fergie and klop play the same style of football and klop was able to get to 3finals and won 1 in his 7years spell. Only if klop got that favor from FA like fergi, he would have won more EPL. That is why people believe fergi is over hyped

Thank you. D way dey overhype Ferguson, u will think he won 4-5 champions league during his time. Not knowing he won only 2 ucl after spending d most money on transfers during his time. Instead of them to call a spade a spade, they will not due to their emotions.
Imagine winning only 2 ucl in a whooping 27 years after spending d most money on transfers during his time at man UTD. That is 100% overhyped and overrated. There is no two ways about it.
From d pix I added, when u factor in inflation Ferguson would have spent nothing less than 3 billion pounds plus in today's current inflated transfer market.

motionarena:
Like Guardiola will succeed at lower clubs

The same way you said he will not survive EPL in 2 seasons but he now turn it to farmers league abi? Una no dey tire to dey hate success

tiswell:
Porto was in the 'wolves" category when Jose Mourinho won it

On kolos

ericmor:
The same way you said he will not survive EPL in 2 seasons but he now turn it to farmers league abi? Una no dey tire to dey hate success

No one said that
With unlimited funds Guadiola is expected to do well un the league

lexy2014:
that is not what I asked you. pls try again.

1. I don't remember asking you for the meaning of experience. I asked "HOW" is a team that got to the final of CL not experienced for "that level of football"?

In other words, how did they qualify for the final?

What is UEFAs criteria for any team to be qualified to play in the final?

2. what is the "level of football" that they are inexperienced for?

The "level of football" is .............

You are bringing in figures. Can you defend your figures? How did you arrive at your 95%?

3. But if we have to go by your definition, pls which experience did Ajax have in 1995 when they won the CL against AC Milan and which experience did Dortmund in 1997 when they won the CL against Juventus?

I don't know what you mean by try again, I love football and I find the discussion interesting. I don't get an award for convincing you.

That said, Dortmund has gained experience by getting to the final, these same set of players will do better in another final.

Talking about percentage, only man city has won the champions league for the first time in 15yrs and that's around 5% the other 14 teams were winningit for at least the 2nd time, you could do the same maths for the world Cup and various leagues and prove me wrong.

motionarena:
No one said that
With unlimited funds Guadiola is expected to do well un the league

that was what majority of EPL followers said but talk has change now that he turned it to farmers league. if everything change tomorrow, you all will start condemning him and start saying EPL is not la liga forgetting what he did to EPL already

cunny88:
I don't know what you mean by try again, I love football and I find the discussion interesting. I don't get an award for convincing you.

That said, Dortmund has gained experience by getting to the final, these same set of players will do better in another final.

Talking about percentage, only man city has won the champions league for the first time in 15yrs and that's around 5% the other 14 teams were winningit for at least the 2nd time, you could do the same maths for the world Cup and various leagues and prove me wrong.

Off point. that is not what I asked you. pls try again.

1. I don't remember asking you for the meaning of experience. I asked "HOW" is a team that got to the final of CL not experienced for "that level of football"?

In other words, how did they qualify for the final?

What is UEFAs criteria for any team to be qualified to play in the final?

2. what is the "level of football" that they are inexperienced for?

The "level of football" is .............

You are bringing in figures. Can you defend your figures? How did you arrive at your 95%?

3. But if we have to go by your definition, pls which experience did Ajax have in 1995 when they won the CL against AC Milan and which experience did Dortmund in 1997 when they won the CL against Juventus?

lexy2014:
Off point. that is not what I asked you. pls try again.

1. I don't remember asking you for the meaning of experience. I asked "HOW" is a team that got to the final of CL not experienced for "that level of football"?

In other words, how did they qualify for the final?

What is UEFAs criteria for any team to be qualified to play in the final?

2. what is the "level of football" that they are inexperienced for?

The "level of football" is .............

You are bringing in figures. Can you defend your figures? How did you arrive at your 95%?

3. But if we have to go by your definition, pls which experience did Ajax have in 1995 when they won the CL against AC Milan and which experience did Dortmund in 1997 when they won the CL against Juventus?

Adieu

lagonovo:
True, football was more competitive then and hard workers like Sir Alex Ferguson went through hell to attain success. Even when Manchester United had all the money in the world to buy the very best players the man only randomly pick one or two to blend into his team structure. He maintained their culture of academy players maturing into the team and blended with established stars bought at intervals. Unlike today when my Pep Guardiola will buy, try and sell 4 different left backs, 3 different goalkeepers etc before eventually getting it right.

How many did he buy when he started his career with Barcelona?

Bullman:
It's not really about a good coach now, it's more about about funds..
Why didn't Ancelotti perform well during is tenure in everton ? because money no de.
Man city used to be bottom dwellers before d Arabs bought the club..
It not really about d coach now it's all about funds,
Cant u see how Chelsea life don spoil ever since d Russian billionaire sold the club ??
You may want to talk about manutd , those ones their problem is more of board of directors issues.
For bercelona merci finished them well befor he left, they aint gat money to buy world class like madrid, paris and city..

If it is about funds, then Newcastle, PSG, Aston villa and clubs like man U also should have won champions league back to back and even EPL self. No matter how rich you are and no proper management you will go broke. Same with football, if you have the money and no good coach, the club will not achieve anything which is the case of the new Chelsea

ndu99:
guy since at everton stones was a brilliant defender if not city wouldn't have signed him, same with Ake.

Foden just like mainoo was doing well in the academy that's why he got calledup into the senior team.

De bruyne was a better mid-fielder at chelsea but didn't have playtime cause they didn't believe in him.

Who were they before gaurdiola bought them he asked. Ake was nothing, stone was just a English defender trying to make it and foden was nothing but a youth player and he made him great and palma also. A lot of them are been picked but end up as trash but guardiola makes them great. He did the same in barca also