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DeepSight:
If you read carefully, you will see that I am not wrong, but no matter: the division caused a war (naturally) and we have had eight decades of conflict as a consequence.

Where does any of this justify the apartheid being practiced by the Jews?

None of the previous rulers of that space practiced that on them.

Let me give you a very extensive season on Apartheid in Palestine. This will be the best you will ever get.
Now read and learn.
Now, Let's discuss Apartheid my boy, and don't forget to tell me what you learnt at the end.

According to several human rights organizations such as Amnesty International, Israel has been
segregating and discriminating against the Palestinian people
for years with a system of Apartheid. More specifically, the Palestinians are isolated in two different territories: On the one hand, we have the Gaza Strip, where
more than two million Palestinians are confined. And, on the other hand, the West Bank,
where three million more people live. However, the problem with the latter
territory is that the West Bank is not a uniform space, rather the Palestinians

in this region are isolated in small towns that are surrounded by Israeli-controlled territory.

So, for example, it is said that if a Palestinian in the West Bank wants to move from one town to
another, say from Bethlehem to Hebron, he or she must go through Israeli-controlled areas,

and the problem is that the Israelis supposedly block the roads so that they cannot escape.
In addition, there are large concrete walls up to seven meters high, riddled with concertinas and

military guard posts, which theoretically prohibit Palestinians from escaping from where they live.

Because of this, many organizations have reported that Palestinians live caged, guarded,
and constantly controlled by the State of Israel. Meanwhile, Israelis can move freely wherever they

want and enjoy full rights. We are talking about first-class citizens – the Jews – and second-class citizens – the Palestinians – and not only in matters of movement.
Many organizations claim that Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza do not have the right to vote, do not have the right to citizenship or residency, are tried by military courts, and have different laws applied to them than Israelis do. Let's say there are two legal systems,
one for Jews and one for Palestinians. But the complaints, do not stop there. So far, we have been talking about Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank, who do not have Israeli nationality or citizenship.
However, it turns out that in Israel itself there are also many Muslims of Palestinian origin who,
in that case, do have Israeli citizenship. We are talking about approximately two million
people. In theory, these Muslims living in Israel should be full citizens of Israel.
Yet here again, international organizations point out that there is enormous discrimination
against Muslims residing in Israel. They argue that the Muslim population
is separated into ghettos, where children are forced to attend Muslim-only schools,
that people are identified on the national document according to their religion, and that they are systematically discriminated against with the aim of decimating their population.

And I guess by now you can see where this is going. All these accusations against Israel are very, very reminiscent of the apartheid regime in South Africa.

In South Africa, the black population was segregated, enclosed, and discriminated against in small territories from which they were not allowed to escape. Territories, which, as you can see, are in some ways similar to those we have shown in the West Bank.
The black population did not have the right to vote, and the legal system applied to them was different from that of whites, they were not allowed to participate in political life, nor did they have the same civil rights. It was one of the most recent episodes
of institutionalized racism in history. And, perhaps for that reason, today many organizations and activists are comparing it to the case of Palestine and Israel.

Well, so far we have seen the arguments of those who claim that Israel is condemning the Palestinians to suffer under a terrible system of Apartheid.
But let me just say that in this whole story, there are things that simply do not add up.
[And they don't add up even though all sides have reprehensible elements.
If it is true that the Palestinians are cooped up, walled in, and completely
controlled by the Israeli government… How is it possible that Hamas was strong
enough to carry out the attack on October 7? It’s a very simple question... If Israel is tightly controlling all the borders, where did they get the weapons and drones to carry out the attack?
What’s more, how on earth is it possible for Hamas to have so much power in Gaza?
Well, there are things that do not fit. But that’s not the end of it. Take a look at this news item: (Israel on Wednesday increased by 20,000,

the number of work permits issued to West Bank Palestinians wishing to work
inside Israel, to 120,000 – YnetNews) It is well known that every day tens of
thousands of Palestinians move and work in Israeli territory. In fact, over the
last few years, the number of Palestinians working in Israel has just kept growing.
Something that, once again, does not quite fit with the theory that the Israelis
want to cage the Palestinians at all costs. So VisualPolitik community, the first question is clear: Are Palestinians really caged in small territories and subjected to Israel's will?

Well, to answer that question we must first be clear about one thing. The Palestine of the
West Bank is not the same as that of Gaza. Since 2005, Gaza has been an independent territory. In this territory, Israel has no troops, no citizens, no settlements of any kind: nothing. It is the Hamas organization that controls Gaza and no one else.
In short, Gaza basically acts as an independent State, with its own laws,
politics, and army. Israel has no role in it. In that sense, Israel controls its borders as it does with any other country, with the added bonus that there is an open war and therefore, logically, requires stricter border control. Even so... It is not only Israel that shares a border
with Gaza. Don't forget that the strip also has a border with Egypt, through the Rafah crossing.
There are indeed many restrictions on trade with Gaza, but it is also true that
the territory has received hundreds of millions of dollars in development aid in recent years.
So, can we consider that there is apartheid in Gaza?
Well, no, I know we are going to be showered with criticism,
but I don't think we can say such a thing. In any case, we are talking about a de facto
independent state, but one without international recognition, something similar to what happens
in Transnistria, Abkhazia, or even Taiwan. Now: What about the West Bank? .... Well,
here it is much more complicated. You see, since 1993, and as we mentioned
before, the West Bank has been roughly divided into two types of territory.
On the one hand, the territories A and B, which you see in white. In those territories live 95% of
the Palestinians in the West Bank. They have their own government, they design their own laws, they
have their courts, their own health system, their own educational model, and to some extent
they act like the government of a regular country. And in that sense, we can already realize one
thing. And that is the West Bank Palestinians in areas A and B do indeed have different laws
than the Israelis. But that is because they have their own laws and govern themselves.
In fact, the unfair thing would be to apply Israeli laws to the
Palestinians and not allow them to govern themselves, don't you think?
Even so, there is an important nuance in all of this:
On the other hand, the West Bank also contains the C-type territories. Technically,
these territories are Palestinian, however, with the Oslo agreement of
1993 it was established that they would be under the temporary control of the Israeli government.

And this is where many problems arise. In the C-type territories, the laws that prevail are
military laws. If a Palestinian commits a crime, he or she will be tried by a military court.
But what if it is an Israeli and not a Palestinian who commits the crime?

Well in that case the Israeli will be judged by military law plus Israeli law, that is,
the two laws together. On top of that, an Israeli may choose to be tried by a court in Israel;
which, according to your point of view, could be an advantage.
In other words, in this case, there is a clear legal differentiation.
The question is: Why does this differentiation exist?
According to organizations such as Amnesty International, for discriminatory reasons.
However, according to other sources, this is because the C-type areas are territories under belligerent
occupation status. This means that they are not territories owned by Israel, but are legally
Palestinian territories but under military and temporary Israeli occupation and control.

The point is that Israel cannot enforce its laws in these places, as doing so would
be perceived as a political annexation that would, in fact, likely anger the Palestinian government.

Be that as it may, perhaps the biggest problem in this whole affair is that the occupation of Zone C
should be temporary and exclusively military. However, Israel does not seem very willing to
withdraw from the area. What’s more, it has been promoting illegal civilian settlements
for almost four decades, which goes against the concept of exclusively military occupation:

(Israel's Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant
Violation of International Law – UN) Given this, and beyond the possible
legal discrimination against Palestinians, what about the limitations on movement? Is
it true that Palestinians are locked up in small villages without being able to go out?
Well, I'm sorry, but no. Palestinians generally have freedom of movement throughout the West Bank. However, what is true is that many
military checkpoints along the roads generate endless traffic jams and many economic problems.

But in general, and according to pro-Palestinian organizations such as B'Tselem, the only stretches of road banned for Palestinians amount to about 40km, or just under 25 miles. A very, very low figure considering that we are talking about a road network with more than
4,700 kilometers, or 2,900 miles of road. In any case, the place where Palestinians

are forbidden access – except to authorized workers – to Israel itself
and to the Israeli settlements in Area C. The question is: Why is access prohibited?

Well again, organizations like Amnesty argue that it’s due to discrimination because Palestinians
are treated as second-class citizens, and in short, to impose a system of apartheid.
Yet, the theory advocated by Israel is very different.
According to Israel, unless Palestinians have work permits, they are prohibited from entering Israeli territory for security reasons, to prevent attacks or the entry of spies. [And what can I say, given what we have seen, it seems that there were more than enough reasons for this].
And then there is something else that is crucial to this whole matter:
Not only does the Israeli government prohibit Palestinians from entering Israel,
but it also prohibits Israeli citizens from entering Palestinian-controlled territory.

Let's just say that in reality, the restrictions of movement are as much on one side as on the other. The Palestinian government was the first to set discriminatory laws against Jews, such as not allowing them to buy houses in the West Bank:
(Abbas on Monday imposed a sentence of hard labor for life on "anyone diverting,
renting or selling land to an enemy state or one of its subjects.” – Times Of Israel)
So, after all, we have seen... Could we say without a doubt that there is apartheid in the West Bank?

Well, if we look at it from the perspective of the borders, they are indeed closed; for both sides, and Israel controls the surrounding territory. Beyond that, however, the differences with the original Apartheid are very great. In South Africa, apartheid was racially
motivated, and it was exercised on South Africans by South Africans of color.
The black population was dehumanized, they could not marry whites, nor set up their own businesses.

What’s more, they could not even share public spaces such as beaches with white citizens.
Yet, in terms of the West Bank borders, there is not a racial motive in the separation,
but a citizenship and security motive. That means. a Palestinian citizen,
even if he is not a Muslim, lives under the rules of the Palestinian government.
Likewise, an Israeli citizen, even if he is not a Jew, but a Muslim,
lives under the rules of the Israeli government.
Now, if you remember, at the beginning of this video we said that according to organizations
like Amnesty International, even within Israel itself, Muslims are discriminated against, they are locked up in ghettos and even identified on their identity card.
And there is no room for doubt: if this is so, we are talking about discrimination against full Israeli citizens who are possibly being treated worse according to their religion or ethnicity.

So the question is, what's the truth in all this? Well, let's take a look.

(AN INTERNAL APARTHEID?) There is one thing that is 100%

certain: in Israel people were differentiated according to their ethnicity for many years.

On the identity card, each citizen carried an ID depending on whether he was Palestinian,

Jewish or of another ethnicity. What’s more, the State of Israel
defines itself as the nation of the Jews, which may lead us to think that there is negative
discrimination against other ethnicities. (Netanyahu Says Israel Is 'Nation-State Of

The Jewish People And Them Alone' – NPR) Beyond all this, it is also true that there
are Muslim and Jewish ghettos, there are schools based on religion, and even in places like East

Jerusalem there are independent religious spaces. The question is: Is this the ultimate test of discrimination? Let's look at them one by one.

As for the identity card, the difference by ethnicity started to be phased out in 2005 and ceased to exist as of 2015. However, even if it did still exist, it would not be unusual, since countries such as the USA administratively differentiate people according to their ethnicity, and in fact, offer some advantages to minorities. For example, in US universities there are places

reserved only for African-American students. Similarly, in Israel, non-Jews also have some advantages, as Muslims or Christians are not obliged to serve in the armed forces.

Now then: what about Muslim-only schools or ghettos?
Well, the reality is that these schools are voluntary, if you are Jewish the most
reasonable thing to do is to take your child to a school where the Jewish religion is taught,
while if you are Muslim, and let's remember that Muslims make up 20% of the population of Israel,
you will take your child to a Muslim school. The same thing happens with ghettos, just as
in other countries, neighborhoods are usually structured with people of similar profiles:
places like Little Cuba in Miami, Chinatown in London, or Little Italy in New York come to mind.

The important thing is that Israeli citizens, whatever their religion,
enjoy the same civil rights. This is something we can see in politics itself,
where 10 out of the Knesset’s 120 parliamentarians are Muslims, or in the judiciary, where Muslims
account for 16% of the judges, or even in the military itself with soldiers like this one:

Even so, beyond legal and civil equality, it is true that Israel favors certain social groups with a lot of public money. The ultra-orthodox Jews would be one example.
But even though Israel declares itself to be the Jewish nation,
the State has no official religion. Although in lesser amounts,
the government also gives financial aid to Muslim communities and
allows the free practice of all religions. (9 August 2023: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

Netanyahu pledged on Wednesday to release at least $54 million to Arab towns – Al-Arabiya)

In conclusion, we can say that Israel does not discriminate negatively against its citizens
because they are Muslims or Palestinians; and that as far as the border issue is concerned, the motives seem to have more to do with security than with an alleged attempt at genocide or apartheid.

Mind you, that's not to say that Israel isn't doing things wrong. Israel is abusing, and has been abusing for decades, its dominant position in the West Bank.

Israel should give back to the Palestinians the control of the C-zones as promised in the Oslo agreements, and it should also withdraw and stop its illegal settlement policy.
A policy which, at the end of the day, seems to respond more to an expansionist or colonialist
logic than to the logic of seeking a way out of the conflict and fulfilling
its commitments.
But beyond that, Israel is also a democratic, pluralistic State, where minorities are defended and with very broad civil rights.

tctrills:
Let me give you a very extensive season on Apartheid in Palestine. This will be the best you will ever get.
Now read and learn.

You should credit the source of this article. Where did you cull it from?

DeepSight:
You should credit the source of this article. Where did you cull it from?

Your only business is to read and learn. If you disagree with anything stated, let me know then I will present you with sources.
My only purpose here is to educate you on the subject.
You may accept it or you may not.

tctrills:
Your only business is to read and learn. If you disagree with anything stated, let me know then I will present you with sources.
My only purpose here is to educate you on the subject.
You may accept it or you may not.

You can be assured I read unlike you. I will revert. Right now i am busy with adult matters beyond your capacity and beyond your pay grade.

Go and face the wall until I return and ensure you take your meds.

Your psychotic condition must be taken seriously.

DeepSight:
You can be assured I read unlike you. I will revert. Right now i am busy with adult matters beyond your capacity and beyond your pay grade.

Go and face the wall until I return and ensure you take your meds.

Your psychotic condition must be taken seriously.

Lol. I think I like this boy. No wham.