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AbuTwins:
■ The Black Sorcerers worshipped baby Jesus!
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. Matthew 2:11
■ The Magi are Sorcerers or Magicians from the east! They came to worship Jesus! Again Sorcerers worshipped Jesus and gave him gifts!

AbuTwins:
The Black Sorcerers worshipped baby Jesus!
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. Matthew 2:11

The Magi are Sorcerers or Magicians from the east!
They came to worship Jesus!
Again Sorcerers worshipped Jesus and gave him gifts!

Then after Jesus's family called him "out of his mind" the teachers of the law accused him of practicing demonism!

Mark 3:21-22
When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, “He is out of His mind.” And the scribes who had come down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and, “By the prince of the demons He drives out demons.”

The key is why sorcerers or magicians (people who were supposed to be killed under Deuteronomic laws) could have worshipped Jesus!

MindHacker9009:
Why are the Jesus fanatics like MaxInDHouse, SIRTee15, Dtruthspeaker (alias Dliepeaker) and others avoiding this thread. Is there something you like to keep hidden about the Magi.
Who is a Magi?

SIRTee15:
AbuTwin is my boy. I'm using him to sip tea during my leisure hours.
Check my thread on black stone- AbuTwin has admitted God can use mediums to forgive sin including the black stone.
The guy is a pagan, he just doesn't know it but I will make sure I open that his blind eyes.
If that's the guy U now want to follow, I wish U good luck.

MindHacker9009:
Isaiah 47:13-15 NIV. "All the counsel you have received has only worn you out. Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the flame… Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you."

Daniel 2:2 NIV, informs us, "So the king summoned the magicians, enchanters, sorcerers and astrologers to tell him what he had dreamed."

Leviticus 19:26-31 :Do not practice divination or seek omens.

But in the in the NT the astrologers (Magi) were the ones that first came to meet Jesus christ.

MindHacker9009:
■ Naive people worshiping Jesus Christ don't know that they are worshipping Sorcerers or Magicians.
■ God Almighty of the Original Torah is the only True God.

30 “You must not work on my special days of rest. You must honor my holy place. I am the Lord.
31 “Do not go to mediums or wizards for advice—they will only make you unclean. I am the Lord your God.
32 “Show honor to old people. Stand up when they come into the room. And show respect to your leaders.[d] I am the Lord. - Leviticus 19 vs 30 - 32

triplechoice:
Somebody once said that Jesus Christ is the head of all principalities and powers . If that's true , then it could explain why they came to worship their Grand Master magician who later magically turned water into wine, walked on water, raise people from the dead .

Kobojunkie:
1. In a recent thread of yours, you declared that all those who submit — Israelites, Babalawos, Magis, Sorcerers, and other Pagans—, regardless of the particular deity they did to, are all Muslims. Yet, here, you cast some down as black sorcerers and unworthy, how come?

2. As for Jesus Christ, for what particular reason were Magis, Sorcerers, etc., not expected to bow before Him? What in particular is wrong with Magis and Sorcerors bowing to Jesus Christ?

AbuTwins:
Ah! Na Matthew misyarn o! Mark, Luke and John didn't see or hear about Magi worshipping Jesus!

Na Matthew!

AbuTwins:
■ Submission to God makes you denounce associating any partners to Him. Think now! Even a play can't submit to play for two clubs at a time!
■ Sorcerers are meant to be killed under the law of the God of Israel. They must have submitted to him because he's their colleague of course! The Magis were idolators! Idolators worship idols!

45 “King Nebuchadnezzar, you saw a rock cut from a mountain, but no one cut that rock. The rock broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold to pieces. In this way, God showed you what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and you can trust that this is what it means.”
46 Then King Nebuchadnezzar bowed down in front of Daniel to honor him. The king praised him. He gave an order that an offering and incense be given to honor Daniel.
47 Then the king said to Daniel, “I know for sure your God is the God over all gods and the Lord over all kings. He tells people about things they cannot know. I know this is true because you were able to tell these secret things to me.” - Daniel 2 vs 45 - 48

triplechoice:
The synoptic Gospel were actually written by early church fathers and not anyone of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John .

So the story of the Magi paying homage to the baby Jesus is fiction. It never happened.

MindHacker9009:
Naive people worshiping Jesus Christ don't know that they are worshipping Sorcerers or Magicians.
God Almighty of the Original Torah is the only True God.

Iamanoited:
JESUS DIDN'T DO ANY COLOUR MAGIC.. JESUS CHRIST IS ALL MIRACLE.
ORISA37.

DuaWorrior:
■ He did miracles by Allah's permission.

DuaWorrior:
He did miracles by Allah's permission.

DuaWorrior:
Jesus (son of Mary) was niether a magician nor a sorcerer. He's one of the most highest ranked messengers of God. It's quite provocative to see that you are tryting to depict him as a socerer. Even if socerers bowed down to him as narrated by the Bible (we Muslims don't believe everything the Bible says), it doesn't make him one of them.

I think the point the original poster is trying to make is that whoever wrote this part of the Bible is wrong because socerers can never honor a messenger of God unless they repent from their ways. By this, the OP may be trying to tell Christians that not every account of the Bible is logical and therefore, correct. I hope this won't be interpreted as insulting the Bible, at least, because he's quoting from the Bible.

Be ware of slandering God in the Torah because Jesus is not in the Torah. The person using the name DuaWorrior won't escape punishment for long unless you repent.

MindHacker9009:
I'm not following anyone. I only follow God Almighty of the Original Torah. In fact I opened a thread on this sometime back see below. When AbuTwin sees the light AbuTwin will start to expose Mohammed here too.

MindHacker9009:
Jesus is not in the Torah and I'm not slandering God's messenger, but it's you accepting Jesus as God's messenger that won't escape punishment for long unless you repent.

SIRTee15:
Rest SIRTee15, even demons acknowledges Jesus as Son of God and submitted to him.

DuaWorrior:
If the person using DuaWorrior do not remove their demonic comments from this thread, Then Allah's punishment will be invoked upon the person using DuaWorrior for lying against the TRUE GOD OF THE TORAH. If the person using DuaWorrior does not removed them. Then THE TRUE GOD OF THE TORAH's punishments will be invoked upon the person using DuaWorrior as lesson if the person using DuaWorrior fails to remove all the demonic comments on this thread.

MindHacker9009:
Yes demons submitted to Jesus because Jesus is one of them and their Grand Master, that's why people who are demon possessed have been using the name of Jesus to deceive those that are naive to believe that their god mated with Mary another man's wife to produce himself and then offer himself as a sacrifice on the cross to himself.

SIRTee15:
Let me ask U a question, what scripture do U follow?

MindHacker9009:
I follow the Original Torah and not the corrupted scripture you follow which was first corrupted by the Babylonians and later re-corrupted by the Roman Empire.

SIRTee15:
So where can we get this original Torah?

MindHacker9009:
Here is the Original Torah

Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

MindHacker9009:
Here is the Original Torah
Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.