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Awolowo was being fought by Akintola for the better part of the first republic and that led to the wild wild west.

You guys are trying now to launder the convicted image of Awolowo

ElSudani:
I bet you don't remember the election in which there wasn't a clear majority and any two of the three main parties could have formed an alliance and then form the government. Awolowo offered Zik the position of Prime minister so their parties could form the government.
What did Zik do? He made an appointment with Awo while he was in the north signing an agreement with the Northern People's Congress to take a ceremonial position of President.
If this is not absurd and unreasonable to you then nothing is.

DMerciful:
If the military did not intervene and the secession clause was there, the country would have broken up long ago

Not an excuse, how come it is people from Azikiwe are now asking for secession.

Kukutente23:
Till tomorrow I still can't understand the rationale behind Azikiwe's decision. Just imagine being played for a fool by some pesky aboki with all his education
I suspect he thought the 1960 constitution gave same powers to the governor General like the 1954 constitution.
This is more reinforced by the fact he did not know he had no control over the military until 1965!!
Zik was a mugu who was the first northern puppet from the South!!

Nobody can understand it. He was offered a real position with real powers he chose to be a ceremonial president. A role any traditional ruler in Nigeria could have performed effectively.
The fear and paranoia is almost innate.

Because we're humans, we respond to change. Its only a stone that does not respond to change.

Azikiwe, Awolowo, Amadu Bello are dead. We cannot be held by the wills of dead people

seanfer:
Not an excuse, how come it is people from Azikiwe are now asking for secession.

AlexBells:
Every politician is unstable

Mtcheew

Can you explain what justification Zik had to align with the Conservative North and take a mannequin position of Governor general?
If Azikiwe had aligned with Awo, they would have easily broken the northern hegemony which was what Awo wanted and today, you won't be crying of marginalisation. Instead, Zik even supported the north to balkanise the West!!

gidgiddy:
You are talking about 70 years ago, I am talking about today. Whatever Zik wanted or did not want 70 years ago is not half as important as what millions of people want today

Seriously?.
Have you watched the movie titled rat race?.
Go and watch it, those mother and daughter that ended up in a ditch, only needs to buy a squirrel.
Life is give and take, first Zik stood against Southern Nigerian independence, as the North says they are not ready.
Southern Nigeria waited for three years, to get the North to agree to independence.
Secession clause Zik bungler that again,
just look at what happened in the last 70 year, those calamities wouldn't have been necessary.
no wonder Yoruba elders no they do politics with the Igbos, you people can't see into the future.

You did not respond to the two questions i raised. Answer the questions.

What did Amadu Bello say then

Secondly, if Awolowo wasnt pretending about the secession clause, why does his actions supports one Nigeria at all cost? And why did he support Gowon to create 12 states thereby breaking the 4 regions?

TimeManager:
This is why none of you can lace Awo's sandals. You are all brawn, no brain. When it came down to using the brain to get what you needed, you preferred muscles instead. Till today, you are still all about chestbeating.

-Kiss the truth!

DMerciful:
Awolowo was being fought by Akintola for the better part of the first republic and that led to the wild wild west.

You guys are trying now to launder the convicted image of Awolowo

Zik and his northern masters had a hand in it.

JAMO84:
So which of your legislators has moved the motion or submitted a bill to the effect of changing the Constitution to let Biafra go?

You blame everyone for your own misery except your leaders. You want Biafra but it's others that must help you get it, you can't do it yourself.

Most one Nigerianists are dumb so I'm not surprised when they know little to nothing about their Zoo.

To change the constitution, you need absolute majority which the south east can not achieve alone, so we actually need you people to break us free in peace or we work our way around it through other means.
How can you even attain majority with the amount of senatorial zones and LGAs the north has in proportion to the rest of the country.

Why will it be hard today?

TimeManager:
Today is the consequences of yesterday's decisions. It would be extremely difficult today to introduce such a clause ever again, that opportunity is gone. Zik was the leader of eastern region and NCNC, with selected representatives from his party, they were loud and clear that ibos were opposed to a secession clause and any other person advocating it should be charged for treason. Zik and his caucus were speaking for the ibos.

-Kiss the truth!

Kukutente23:
Mtcheew

Can you explain what justification Zik had to align with the Conservative North and take a mannequin position of Governor general?
If Azikiwe had aligned with Awo, they would have easily broken the northern hegemony which was what Awo wanted and today, you won't be crying of marginalisation. Instead, Zik even supported the north to balkanise the West!!

Lol @ mannequin position. Very apt.

DMerciful:
If Zik's will can be done by muscling two other premiers, means he was their leader

Yeah, the will to keep millions of his descendants in "bondage". I'm sure the British gave him a white lady for one night stand as a reward for his wonderful performance.

-Kiss the truth!

When Ojukwu declared secession, why didnt Awolowo declare secession of the Western Region?

raskymonojendor:
Zik was an idiot and the major reason we have Nigeria. If he had sided with Awolowo, the British won't have a choice than to include secession clause.

TimeManager:
No, it didn't stand, it fell and that's why Nnamdi Kanu is the 3rd elected President of the federal republic of biafra.

-Kiss the truth!

Unity beggar, you can't stay in one Nigeria without the Igbos

-Kiss the truth!

Awolowo's actions later showed he was serious about secession. He gad the opportunity but rather suggested one Nigeria policies including creation of states to Gowon

Kukutente23:
Not true. Secession is allowed in the UK that colonised us. States in the US freely joined the Union and were aware that there's no clause for breaking up. However, the USSC has given guidelines for secession. Switzerland has a form of secession in its law and France outrightly has one.
Having secession can lead to instability in the state I agree. But with every secession clause also comes a clause for joining back. Even China had a secession clause as at then.
The point being made is that Awolowo saw the imperfections of Nigeria as a country and advocated the secession clause to guard against the tendency of maximalist among the regions.

AlexBells:
Heya kpele by Nigerian constitution, kanu has freedom of association, he’s greater than all your ancestors put together

You are right, including that foolish Awolowo the RATAK Master, they can't imagine their lives without one Nigeria, I've stopped taking that tribe seriously

chigator2:
Most one Nigerianists are dumb so I'm not surprised when they know little to nothing about their Zoo.

To change the constitution, you need absolute majority which the south east can not achieve alone, so we actually need you people to break us free in peace or we work our way around it through other means.
How can you even attain majority with the amount of senatorial zones and LGAs the north has in proportion to the rest of the country.

Do you also need me to write and present the bill or move the motion on the floor of the national assembly?

First step is to force your useless leaders in the Bifra#ud nation to set secession in motion, but of course, you have no genuine intention of leaving, just hoping you will be compensated with presidency if you make enough trouble.

You're not a serious person

TimeManager:
Yeah, the will to keep millions of his descendants in "bondage". I'm sure the British gave him a white lady for one night stand as a reward for his wonderful performance.

-Kiss the truth!

TimeManager:
Lol.. Kanu the greatest biafran fraud ever liveth, can you hear your wife moaning from kuje?

-Kiss the truth!

You are in severe pains, he's greater than anybody from your region both living and death ones


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But when Awolowo had the opportunity of leaving the union during the civil war, he doubled down to stay by giving policies that would cement one Nigeria like supporting Gowon to create states as well as suggesting food blockade which was against the Geneva convention

ElSudani:
Zik and his northern masters had a hand in it.

Are you responding to Ojukwu or gidgiddy?

You keep referring to Ojukwu that was probably 35yrs old then.

What can 220 million people do now?

leokid866:
you forget the same Ojukwu killed Adaka Boros men, stripped Adaka naked and put him in the boot of a car to Lagos to be sentenced and killed all in the name of preserving the same "white man's " Nigeria......if you want dey remember history use your full brain to remember it so that the idiot in you won't be showing......🫠

DMerciful:
Awolowo's actions later showed he was serious about secession. He gad the opportunity but rather suggested one Nigeria policies including creation of states to Gowon

What opportunity did Awo have to secede? Besides, Awo never said he wanted secession.
His stand has always been that the North is the main problem and needs to be tamed. Him and Ahmadu Bello never saw eye to eye.
Awo would never enter into any agreement with the north. In fact, he was actively working to liberate the Northern minorities from the core north, something that if achieved would have made Nigeria more balanced. The question is why Azikiwe refused to see all that fact. Balewa already said in 1954 that the south is the biggest threat to the north. He talked about how the north should be wary of the south and ensure they don't have a upper hand. So how could Zik have entered an alliance with the north and later turn around to support secession? It sounds so stupid if you ask me

TimeManager:
Yes, far bigger in foolishness and shortsightedness, that's why his descedants are still crying "give us biafra" in 2024.

-Kiss the truth!

I'm glad you acknowledged that he's greater than your ancestors both alive and deads

-Kiss the truth!

confusedlady:
This is slightly not true,in the beginning of the Nigeria Biafra conflict Azikiwe was fully in support of Biafra in fact he was closely in cahoots with Odumegwu Ojukwu. It was half way through the conflict that Azikiwe abandoned Ojukwu and his Biafra pipe dream and jumped ship to join Gowon and started parroting Go on with one Nigeria....Azikiwe was always a very unstable character......

zik's initially pretense of supporting the Biafra struggle, was just politics, because he was never convinced of abaddoning his delusional Nigerian unity.
his passion was for Nigerian unity and never the actualization of the Biafra nation.

Armaggedon:
Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.

One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by gowon. His attitude justified Zik's opinions about him.

For those who claim his demand was in good faith, his demand was rediculous and he knew it. He was neither here no there. There is no sovereign state in the world that has secession in it's constitution. If he truly wanted his region to be alone he should have demanded a pre-independence referendum like southern Cameroon or pre-independence partitioning as in British India. Opting for a secession clause instead of pre-independence referendum clearly indicated lack of commitment to specific ideology from Awolowo. You can't officially keep one leg in the country and keeping one outside. A snake he was.

You are right but Biafra is non-achievable.

DMerciful:
But when Awolowo had the opportunity of leaving the union during the civil war, he doubled down to stay by giving policies that would cement one Nigeria like supporting Gowon to create states as well as suggesting food blockade which was against the Geneva convention

Did Awo ever tell you he wants to secede. The idea of secession clause was to guard against the belligerence of the north which the tone deaf Zik failed to understand.
Awo was never for secession but for a balanced union to serve as a bulwark against domination and oppression as already being touted by the north. The only person to speak up against the British idea of Nigeria was Awolowo not Zik nor Bello

Kukutente23:
What opportunity did Awo have to secede? Besides, Awo never said he wanted secession.
His stand has always been that the North is the main problem and needs to be tamed. Him and Ahmadu Bello never saw eye to eye.
Awo would never enter into any agreement with the north. In fact, he was actively working to liberate the Northern minorities from the core north, something that if achieved would have made Nigeria more balanced. The question is why Azikiwe refused to see all that fact. Balewa already said in 1954 that the south is the biggest threat to the north. He talked about how the north should be wary of the south and ensure they don't have a upper hand. So how could Zik have entered an alliance with the north and later turn around to support secession? It sounds so stupid if you ask me

Who will believe this trash? Awo is nothing but bags of bigotry

WhizdomXX:
You are right but Biafra is non-achievable.

Why?

You're running away from his argument. What is holding 220 million people today if the country is not working?

TimeManager:
The decision several decades ago by that one man who represented the voice of the entire ndigbo is the reason you are where you are today. That man was your legitimate voice, he sealed your fate today.

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DMerciful:
But when Awolowo had the opportunity of leaving the union during the civil war, he doubled down to stay by giving policies that would cement one Nigeria like supporting Gowon to create states as well as suggesting food blockade which was against the Geneva convention

Awo obviously was not a soldier, that is one thing. This was a man who spent a whole day a few years back trying to convince your leaders about the wisdom of having a secession clause in the constitution.
The secession clause doesn't mean you can just wake up one day and say bye bye we don't want to be in Nigeria anymore.
It provides a peaceful pathway like a referendum. Knowing this, you want a democrat like Awo to support a hot headed 30 something year old soldier in starting an armed insurrection to split Nigeria?

What do you take the man for? He was far more intelligent than that. He couldn't have sacrificed millions of people to achieve what could have been achieved through a legally constituted referendum.
Too bad Ibo leaders couldn't see that.

Carved out lands tgat were existing for thousands of years before him? Igbos have always been there for centuries

TimeManager:
But you gladly accepted it when the same white colonialists carved out the eastern region and gave it to ibos to dominate. You should have resisted it.

-Kiss the truth!

Wahabfuture:
Who will believe this trash? Awo is nothing but bags of bigotry

Of course Awo was a sectionalist and he had no pretensions about it. He believed each tribe had a right to determine how they want to be in the nigerian context. He never claimed any utopian Nigerian nationalist. He was for his tribe and the progress of his tribe. Same with Bello. It was Azikiwe that was forming nationalist yet he went and aligned with the biggest ethno-religious bigots in Nigeria then. Bello preferred to be northern premier than Nigerian PM. That's the person Azikiwe chose over Awo yet you think it is Awo that's the problem.
You're deluded!!