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TTPAAR:
Jesus is Yeshua!
YHWH is Elohim! GOD

AntiChristian:
Which of the questions are you answering?

TTPAAR:
Which one did u ask?

elated177:
Antichristian!

YHVH Almighty is the one and only true God, the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them.

YHVH Almighty is the Father of the heavenly lights who does not change like shifting shadows.

YHVH Almighty made everything by his own Word. He is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.

You want more?

AntiChristian:
Quote where YHVH specifically said those things in the Bible!

Does YHVH exist in the New Testament?

FxMasterz:
Yes.

AntiChristian:
What is the sole equivalent of YHVV in the New testament?

Quote where YHVH specifically said those things in the Bible!

FxMasterz:
All the solid explanations and the quotes you've had in the past, what have you done with them?

My dear, God is an extremely complex Being. An infinite Personality . He is not man and cannot be described the same way you can describe a man or an object. Even the angels can only say a little about God. He is infinitely beyond description. You can't put Him in your logical mould. He's far beyond human logic.

If the god you're serving, and his activities are describable using human logic, then he's a man-made god. If you think God cannot be 3 in one, you're putting Him in man's logical mould. If you think God cannot die and still be alive at the same time, you're putting Him in man's category. If you think God cannot be in Heaven as God and still be on earth as a man at the same time, you're using man's physiological limitations on God. God had to do certain things for man in a man's form because that's the only way the outcome of the action can legally benefit man. There's spiritual legality as there is earthly legality.

Look at it this way. A rich man died and his money in the bank is supposed to be given to his next of kin. No one else can have it except the next of kin. Now, perhaps the next of kin and the rest of the family are unable to claim the money for reasons that are beyond them. Maybe they are all incapacitated or they're in such medical or legal condition that they can no longer perform that duty. For anyone to claim that money for them, he must first become the next of kin to claim the money. That is, he must transform himself into the next of kin to be able to claim the money for them. Jesus had to become man for a similar reason. God had to transform Himself to man for a similar purpose. The example I gave may not totally fit a normal scenario but I just want you to understand that Jesus came to help man claim something that could ONLY be claimed by man but is beyond man's ability to claim. That's why Jesus' death is extremely important. This is the reason why Satan must deny it. Jesus' death takes away something from Satan which he stole from man.

Listen, it is not a thing of prestige or something to be boastful about for anyone to say His God became man, died like a criminal on a cross and then resurrected. It's not something to boast about at all. If man would create a religion, no reasonable man would create such a God. Every man wants to create a god that is seen as extremely powerful, mighty, never dying, never manly. That's how men would design a god, and that's how they've been designing their gods. But God did it differently because He wasn't designing a God. He's already God. Instead, He was solving a problem in Jesus Christ. God came to the world as Jesus, not to establish Himself as God but rather to solve a problem. A problem of man that man could not solve for himself. He solved the problem, laid out principles for accessing the solution, then returned to heaven and gave man a representation in heaven. Maybe you don't know how shameful it was for a person to be executed on a cross in the days when the Romans ruled the world. Maybe you don't know that someone who hangs on a tree is considered a curse in Jewish tradition. How then would anyone, especially a set of Jews want to create a God along those lines? Does that look reasonable to you?

If Jesus didn't happen the way He did. No one would want to describe Him so. If He didn't die on a cross. Everyone would gladly proclaim He didn't die. But, all these things happened as prophesied, and in the spirit of truth and honesty, they must be proclaimed as they were according to God's eternal purpose. That's why Paul said:

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel..." Romans 1:16.

Just think about it. Paul knew it was shameful to say "My God died on a cross. Or My God's Son died on a cross." But he says "I'm not ashamed." That's because he had tasted of the power of the Gospel. When you taste the power of the Gospel, you'll boldly proclaim Jesus' death without shame.

You see, I'm reasoning with you as man to man. Just helping you to see things differently. Go seek God for yourself. Take a break from all religions and say to God from the depth of your heart "Oh, God, I want to know You. Please guide my heart unto a revelation of Yourself. Open my eyes oh God and reveal yourself unto me." Pray that prayer on a neutral ground. Not as a Muslim, neither as a Christian but as a seeker of God in truth.

If you pray that prayer sincerely and genuinely, God would open your eyes and take the scales away. Follow the path that is revealed unto you after that prayer. You would have revelations, and you'll understand many things that are currently confusing your mind.

AntiChristian:
All these prose lack substance! If who is YHVH/YHWH is complex then why all these long prose? God is complex and He can't explain a little about himself? Abeg! You didn't say anything!

FxMasterz:
I'm not here to explain who YHWH is to you. I came with a different message for you. Your question is absolutely irrelevant in the scheme of things.

Go know God personally. Period. Take a break away from religion and seek to know God personally and stop asking childish questions.

AntiChristian:
I know Allah who i worship based on what He has revealed.
No human mind can encompass who He is.
Who only rely on what is authentically revealed.

And the religion of Islam is the one and only religion of all Prophets including Jesus!

And the question is not childish!

All the questions i asked from 1- 10 (this thread is only the 8th) are questions Christianity has created a theology around albeit without solid proof anywhere!

FxMasterz:
Stop repeating the lies you have been told.

Christianity is not a physical thing. It's spiritual. Except you become a spiritual man, you can't benefit from devine knowledge.

Take my advice. My dad was a better Muslim than you. He converted many Christians before he found Jesus.

AntiChristian:
Is that proof you are on truth?

Where did Jesus tell anyone he preached to all these?
You guys just create theology and ascribe it to Jesus!

You don't even know who YHWH is.
Even if i ask your dad all these questions i doubt he would be able to answer one out of the ten!

FxMasterz:
Please if you cannot take the advice. Keep your questions to.yourself. I can't waste my time on endless and unprofitable arguments.

I never gave you any proof. Did I? I only gave you and advice.

We christians know who Yahweh is, okay. Your questions are childish questions because your understanding is little. I would not waste my time answering you. No Christian would even take you serious.

AntiChristian:
You don't know who YHWH/YHWV is! Who is Yahweh?
Of course you won't!

No wonder Jesus will come back and reject you all!

FxMasterz:
This statement of Muslims always shouting Jesus will come back to reject us all is very hilarious. You don't even know how it sounds. The very verse, you don't understand. You're shouting aimlessly in ignorance.

So, Jesus would accept you who rejected His death and salvation? Dey play.

I've told you what to do. Take the advice if you want. Someone who doesn't have a personal relationship with Jesus cannot tell someone who has a personal relationship with Christ what Christ would do.

AntiChristian:
Did the criminal that was crucified accept Jesus's death and resurrection for him to be saved?
Did Jesus tell the rich man to believe in his resurrection and death to be saved?

Even the Samaritans he preached to, the thousands he fed and preach, etc. he never for once said "Believe in my death and resurrection to be saved!

It was the creeds that brought Jesus death into the equation of what you must believe to be saved!

Na me suppose tell you Dey play!

FxMasterz:
There was a dispensation before His death. Everyone who believed in the God of Israel are saved according to the rules of that dispensation. This includes the guy on the cross.

After His death began another dispensation. That was marked by the temple in Jerusalem having its cloth covering for the Holy of Holies torn into two. That marked the beginning of the promised New Covenant, sealed, not by the blood of rams but by the blood of the Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world.

AntiChristian:
Show me where Jesus separated his dispensation into before death dispensation and after death dispensation?
You will always bring theological deductions from Paul or analogy!

And na only Matthew write about Temple cloth tearing!
Luke didn't see it!
John was not inspired!
Mark did not get the gist!

FxMasterz:
Jesus didn't come to talk about separate dispensations. It was already prophesied.

Please you don't understand the Bible. If you can't take the advice I gave you, I wish you the best in all your endeavors.

AntiChristian:
Dispensations was Prophesied?



God is not the author of confusion!

Wish you likewise!

FxMasterz:
What makes it a confusion? That you're not aware of it does not mean it is confusing.

I wish you the best.

AntiChristian:
It is confusion!

For God to have many dispensations for the salvation of humans!

And you telling me before Jesus's death there was a method of salvation that ends at Jesus's death!

And Jesus's death begins another dispensation of God's justice!

Big time confusion!

I wish you like wise!

FxMasterz:
There are only two dispensations anyway. What do you even understand by dispensations according to the Bible?

AntiChristian:
1. Who exactly is YHWH or YHVH?

AntiChristian:
2. Is YHWH Jesus, the Son and the Holy Ghost? Or is YHWH solely the Father?

AntiChristian:
3. If the son-Jesus is YHWH, why does He never identify himself as such?

AntiChristian:
Despite this problem/ confusion as to who YHWH actually is, another issue has arisen. According to 2 Corinthians 12:4, the inexpressible name of YHWH is actually a man made name, derived to substitute the loss of the real name of God.

AntiChristian:
Yes, Christians and Jews do not really know the name of God.

AntiChristian:
How can you call people to Christianity, if you don’t actually know who God is?

AntiChristian:
NOTE
If YHWH is both 3 and also one distinct person – at the same time – then where is this indicated in the Old Testament? Since YHWH is not found in the New Testament (as the Christian God did not known how to represent His name in His Greek revelation).

AntiChristian:
Similarly, Jesus in the New Testament does not call himself YHWH and the Holy Spirit does not call itself YHWH, nor does the YHWH of the Old Testament identify itself as Jesus, Immanuel or as Mal’ak YHWH, but simply as YHWH.[/b]

NNTR:
I am not into time wasters, which is what the other two joker fellas with their infantile games are.

I gratefully welcome post(s) and mention(s) from anyone who is interested in knowing how YHWH aka Yahweh or even JEHOVAH isnt and never was God's true and personal name, and fearlessly ready to provide their answers to the below questions.

Answering those questions, is my cue, to set the ball rolling with explanations

1. Extensively tell who and what you are (e.g. I am Joe Bloggs. I am a fictitious male specimen of a human being. I am one with an enquiry mind et cetera)
2. Whats your name?
3. Give a 5 sentences bio about yourself
4. Tell what YHWH aka Yahweh or even JEHOVAH means.

1. Pronounce or vocalise YHWH?
2a. What does 'Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh' mean?
2b. What does JEHOVAH mean?
3. What to your best understanding is God's true and personal name is
4. Where did Moses tell the Israelites what God's true and personal name is?
5. Where and when did Jesus incontrovertibly state what God's true and personal name is?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

elated177:
AntiChristian, you know very well that you can't discuss with me. I am not one of those people who repeat what their pastors, general overseers or bishops teach them. I speak from the platform of knowledge and experience.

AntiChristian:
1. Who exactly is YHWH or YHVH?

2. Is YHWH Jesus, the Son and the Holy Ghost? Or is YHWH solely the Father?
3. If the son-Jesus is YHWH, why does He never identify himself as such?
Despite this problem/ confusion as to who YHWH actually is, another issue has arisen. According to 2 Corinthians 12:4, the inexpressible name of YHWH is actually a man made name, derived to substitute the loss of the real name of God.
Yes, Christians and Jews do not really know the name of God. How can you call people to Christianity, if you don’t actually know who God is?

NOTE
If YHWH is both 3 and also one distinct person – at the same time – then where is this indicated in the Old Testament? Since YHWH is not found in the New Testament (as the Christian God did not known how to represent His name in His Greek revelation). Similarly, Jesus in the New Testament does not call himself YHWH and the Holy Spirit does not call itself YHWH, nor does the YHWH of the Old Testament identify itself as Jesus, Immanuel or as Mal’ak YHWH, but simply as YHWH.

sonofthunder:
Shallow and ignorant