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What do you think? Do you think God is deliberately stopping people from seeing and hearing the truth. Are there people who are sincerely really seeking God and can't seem to find him cos he wouldn't let them?

Isaiah seems to say so...

Look at this

👉Isaiah 6:9-10 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Even Matthew is saying the same thing.

👉Matthew 13:13-16 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

And Mark too

👉Mark 4:11,12
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

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So for a long time I struggled with understanding this. It was so strange to me because it didn't seem to agree with many other scriptures that tell us how God desires that all be saved and not perish. I would ask my self what exactly does this mean every time I come across this passage and just quietly brush it off for probably a future time when I will gain better clarity. However, the Holy Spirit challenged me to look at them again and then I saw it. Lol.

But what do you think? What have you seen as regarding this, that seeing they shall see but not understand and hearing they shall here but not perceive?

As a habit, whenever I receive a light from the Holy Spirit, I always jot it down immediately so I dont forget.

This was what I believe the Holy Spirit lighted upon my heart. So I scribbled this down.

👇

Shallow hearing and seeing of God's word would not bring light to the hearer or seer. Only those who dig deep. In other words, those who go beyond Sunday sermons or daily assigned reading/ church programs. When they search the scriptures carefully like their lives depend on it, they will find light and the hidden treasures in dark places.

It's not that God stops people from hearing or seeing his word (as some might interpret Esias) It is that God has made the access of light only for those who labour to find it. Those who are okay with shallow understanding of God are not permitted to find light or granted access to it. They are hardened, blinded and defeaned by God('s law/standard) not to see light.

So people are blinded or deafened from finding the truth because they are comfortable in shallow waters.

Jesus spoke in parables, but only few were curious to know what he meant. The rest just shouted, "Amen" and received some miracle or blessing and left.

They are always in church, some are very involved in Christian activities. They love gathering to "hear" the word.

They are always exposed to the word but never grabbing the reality of the word. "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

Amen. Please share what you think

Where did you derive this from?

It's not that God stops people from hearing or seeing his word (as some might interpret Esias) It is that God has made the access of light only for those who labour to find it. Those who are okay with shallow understanding of God are not permitted to find light or granted access to it. They are hardened, blinded and defeaned by God('s law/standard) not to see light.

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language' according to the Bible?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

AntiChristian:
Where did you derive this from?



John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language' according to the Bible?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

So, speaking in parables is deception? How old are you?

FxMasterz:
So, speaking in parables is deception? How old are you?

When you talk to laymen using languages they couldn't understand! And afterwards explaining the same thing to others in a simpler way!

Yes, it is deception!

TimiRume:
What do you think? Do you think God is deliberately stopping people from seeing and hearing the truth. Are there people who are sincerely really seeking God and can't seem to find him cos he wouldn't let them?

Isaiah seems to say so...

Look at this

👉Isaiah 6:9-10 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Even Matthew is saying the same thing.

👉Matthew 13:13-16 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

And Mark too

👉Mark 4:11,12
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

****
So for a long time I struggled with understanding this. It was so strange to me because it didn't seem to agree with many other scriptures that tell us how God desires that all be saved and not perish. I would ask my self what exactly does this mean every time I come across this passage and just quietly brush it off for probably a future time when I will gain better clarity. However, the Holy Spirit challenged me to look at them again and then I saw it. Lol.

But what do you think? What have you seen as regarding this, that seeing they shall see but not understand and hearing they shall here but not perceive?

As a habit, whenever I receive a light from the Holy Spirit, I always jot it down immediately so I dont forget.

This was what I believe the Holy Spirit lighted upon my heart. So I scribbled this down.

👇

Shallow hearing and seeing of God's word would not bring light to the hearer or seer. Only those who dig deep. In other words, those who go beyond Sunday sermons or daily assigned reading/ church programs. When they search the scriptures carefully like their lives depend on it, they will find light and the hidden treasures in dark places.

It's not that God stops people from hearing or seeing his word (as some might interpret Esias) It is that God has made the access of light only for those who labour to find it. Those who are okay with shallow understanding of God are not permitted to find light or granted access to it. They are hardened, blinded and defeaned by God('s law/standard) not to see light.

So people are blinded or deafened from finding the truth because they are comfortable in shallow waters.

Jesus spoke in parables, but only few were curious to know what he meant. The rest just shouted, "Amen" and received some miracle or blessing and left.

They are always in church, some are very involved in Christian activities. They love gathering to "hear" the word.

They are always exposed to the word but never grabbing the reality of the word. "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7

Amen. Please share what you think

Read Romans 9 and 10 for an explanation.

Israel had to be shut out for the crucification to happen. If all Israel had accepted Jesus, Jesus would not be crucified, and the plan of salvation would have failed. God had to shut them out, ensure the crucification of Christ, bring salvation to the world, then re-engraft Israel at a latter date.

AntiChristian:
Where did you derive this from?



John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language' according to the Bible?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Lol Oops.

Anyway, I've created the thread so I must answer every differing view no matter how eerie they sound. 😁

I think Jesus had to speak in parables to a people who were not seeking truth. Truth is like a jewel. Why cast her out there casually. It's so unbefitting of her class. It's like letting gold litter every street corner. It will cease being gold. It's value is in its scarcity.

A commoner will never place value on something thrown at him at no price, it will just be another cheap item, cos that's what people do to cheap things. They are exposed for every one and people price them even further down.

God forbid, that God's word should be reduced to such status hence Jesus carefully guarded it. Thanks 🙂

AntiChristian:
When you talk to laymen using languages they couldn't understand! And afterwards explaining the same thing to others in a simpler way!

Yes, it is deception!

Wise men actually hide their words in parables when addressing an unserious audience so that only the wise would grasp what they're saying. Then , the curious ones can come and seek further explanation. That's what the disciples did, they sought further explanation and Jesus explained it to them. If anyone in the crowd had sought further explanation, Jesus would never reject him or her.

So by your logic, when you don't understand what your teacher teaches you in school, it means you were deceived?

FxMasterz:
Read Romans 9 and 10 for an explanation.

Israel had to be shut out for the crucification to happen. If all Israel had accepted Jesus, Jesus would not be crucified, and the plan of salvation would have failed. God had to shut them out, ensure the crucification of Christ, bring salvation to the world, then re-engraft Israel at a later date.

Yes. Thank you. This is very true. If they'd all accepted Jesus, he wouldn't have been crucified for us all.

But do you not think the principle of laboring to access truths have always applied. I think God's word is multifaceted. Contains so many realities at once. 🙂

TimiRume:
Yes. Thank you. This is very true. If they'd all accepted Jesus, he wouldn't have been crucified for us all.

But do you not think the principle of laboring to access truths have always applied. I think God's word is multifaceted. Contains so many realities at once. 🙂

Yes, very true.

Even till now, if you're not a genuine seeker, you'll just see the Bible as a story book. The truths are hidden deep inside. They're not on the surface.

Romans 11:33

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

1 Corinthians 2:10

"But it was to us that God revealed these things by His Spirit. For His Spirit searches out everything and shows us God’s deep secrets."

FxMasterz:
Yes, very true.

Even till now, if you're not a genuine seeker, you'll just see the Bible as a story book. The truths are hidden deep inside. They're not on the surface.

Romans 11:33

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

1 Corinthians 2:10

"But it was to us that God revealed these things by His Spirit. For His Spirit searches out everything and shows us God’s deep secrets."

Amen. Thanks for these scriptures. Really needed here for reference. Isn't God so wise!!! Even nature subtly teaches us so!!! Wisdom cries out of everything really! 🙂

TimiRume:
Amen. Thanks for these scriptures. Really needed here for reference. Isn't God so wise!!! Even nature subtly teaches us so!!! Wisdom cries out of everything really! 🙂

There have been no truer words spoken. Only wise men have this understanding.

FxMasterz:
There have been no truer words spoken. Only wise men have this understanding.

🌺🌺🌺

FxMasterz:
Read Romans 9 and 10 for an explanation.

Israel had to be shut out for the crucification to happen. If all Israel had accepted Jesus, Jesus would not be crucified, and the plan of salvation would have failed. God had to shut them out, ensure the crucification of Christ, bring salvation to the world, then re-engraft Israel at a latter date.

Roman 9 explicitly shows that God purposely set it out to save some people and have others destroyed. These Paul called vessel of mercy and the vessel of destruction, this is referencing Jeremiah. The vessels of destruction in Romans 9:22 is an allegorical tale based on the Story of the Potter and Clay in Jeremiah 18. Thus, the clay vessels are symbolically used to represent whole countries which are destroyed or proposed to be destroyed by God in Romans 9.

Paul expanciated with the case of Esau and Jacob. "Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls". God deliberately hated Esau not because he has done any evil, and love Jacob not because he has done any good. God hated Esau and love Jacob before they were conceived.

Another case is Pharaoh. In the chapter, Paul mentioned how God boosted that he purposely hardened the heart of Pharoah just so that he can have him destroyed. This is the God that is omniscient, knows about each individuals before the foundation of the earth, know people's name before they were born, and know the mind before words made it to the tongue. Therefore, those who are vessel of mercy are designated for salvation according to Ephesians 2:8 and Titus 3:5, ND the other other ones set for destruction will be destroyed according to Proverb 16:4.

It's the condition of people's hearts that God is talking about not that God deliberately made it difficult for them to grasp the message.

For instance let's say Jesus knocks on a door in Nigeria today how do you think many will treat him?
He was a simple easygoing young man but so impressive and optimistic his facial expression.

What interests each Nigerian right now is how they can come out of the hardship in which they find themselves, whereas Jesus and his team were preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom which is not imminent so 99% of his audience won't welcome Jesus or his disciples.

So whose ears could be attentive to the message Jesus and his disciples are bringing?

Such a person must have a pure heart and a simple mindset regarding riches he or she shouldn't be desperate for wealth {Psalms 24:3} otherwise everything Jesus says will enter through one ear and escape through the other ear! Matthew 13:22

So it's the condition of people's hearts that will determine whether they will be saved or not God has made the life saving message accessible to both old and young, male and female, rich and poor, educated and illiterates! 1Timothy 2:4

TimiRume:
■ Lol Oops. Anyway, I've created the thread so I must answer every differing view no matter how eerie they sound. 😁 I think Jesus had to speak in parables to a people who were not seeking truth. Truth is like a jewel. Why cast her out there casually. It's so unbefitting of her class. It's like letting gold litter every street corner. It will cease being gold. It's value is in its scarcity.
A commoner will never place value on something thrown at him at no price, it will just be another cheap item, cos that's what people do to cheap things. They are exposed for every one and people price them even further down.
God forbid, that God's word should be reduced to such status hence Jesus carefully guarded it. Thanks 🙂

Well, based on what you just said, you equally believe the Truth of God is not meant for everyone.

Kobojunkie:
Well, based on what you just said, you equally believe the Truth of God is not meant for everyone.

Well it's not as straightforward as that. God desires that everyone should know the truth and be free but if everyone must see the truth then everyone must follow the right protocols.

If for example a man gives out some plots of land to his sons as their inheritance. And in those lands, are carefully hidden diamonds. They would have to follow the right procedures to get them out else they won't. They land parcels would still be theirs but they won't get much from them.

Some may be okay with just planting food crops, some rearing sheep. But few may be more inquisitive and decide to go further down.

You see, it's not their father stopping the others from discovering their lands, it's them being comfortable with the meager benefits. Diamonds like the precious reality of God's word are hidden from mere sight but would be found only by those who tenaciously come after them

TimiRume:
■ Well it's not as straightforward as that. God desires that everyone should know the truth and be free but if everyone must see the truth then everyone must follow the right protocols.
■ If for example a man gives out some plots of land to his sons as their inheritance. And in those lands, are carefully hidden diamonds. They would have to follow the right procedures to get them out else they won't. They land parcels would still be theirs but they won't get much from them. Some may be okay with just planting food crops, some rearing sheep. But few may be more inquisitive and decide to go further down.
You see, it's not their father stopping the others from discovering their lands, it's them being comfortable with the meager benefits. Diamonds like the precious reality of God's word are hidden from mere sight but would be found only by those who tenaciously come after them

1. Where do you have God of Israel Himself, who sent Jesus Christ only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, stating what you have there in bold?

2. The right procedure is His Law, Jesus Christ, but even at that, God of Israel made clear that His Law applies only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. Jesus Christ affirmed this too. So, are you certain your understanding does not equally come from your being okay with "just planting food crops, some rearing sheep"?

Kobojunkie:
1. Where do you have God of Israel Himself, who sent Jesus Christ only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, stating what you have there in bold?

2. The right procedure is His Law, Jesus Christ, but even at that, God of Israel made clear that His Law applies only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. Jesus Christ affirmed this too. So, are you certain your understanding does not equally come from your being okay with "just planting food crops, some rearing sheep"?

1) Of course Jesus didn't say that expressly but he implied it clearly enough.And I was buttressing his point with how people can't get more out of a thing if they are comfortable on ground 1.

2) Well, the right procedure is his law or standard for sure. Which is simply abiding in his word. Searching it out everyday for light.

TimiRume:
■ Of course Jesus didn't say that expressly but he implied it clearly enough. And I was buttressing his point with how people can't get more out of a thing if they are comfortable on ground 1.
2) Well, the right procedure is his law or standard for sure. Which is simply abiding in his word. Searching it out everyday for light.

1. Jesus Christ, who explicitly stated that He was sent by His Father ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel implied that which is directly against His very Father's Will. Where? How? Jesus Christ proclaimed that His Word is EverLasting —Unchanging— so why are you attempting to change His Words when they are meant to remain the same forever? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

2. Simply abiding? Wrong! Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who obey His teachings and commandments — His Law and agreement—, the same thing the God of Israel said to His people Israel after He gave them His agreement/Law in the desert. So, why are you saying something else? Jesus Christ never said anything about searching anything out every day for light. So, why do you assert that His light is instead to be found by searching it out every day?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ, who explicitly stated that He was sent by His Father ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel implied that which is directly against His very Father's Will. Where? How? Jesus Christ proclaimed that His Word is EverLasting —Unchanging— so why are you attempting to change His Words when they are meant to remain the same forever? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

2. Simply abiding? Wrong! Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who obey His teachings and commandments — His Law and agreement—, the same thing the God of Israel said to His people Israel after He gave them His agreement/Law in the desert. So, why are you saying something else? Jesus Christ never said anything about searching anything out every day for light. So, why do you assert that His light is instead to be found by searching it out every day?

I wish I understand you! Seems you are intentionally mixing things up for the sake of arguing 😁 mehhn I don't have strength o

TimiRume:
I wish I understand you! Seems you are intentionally mixing things up for the sake of arguing 😁 mehhn I don't have strength o

LOL... You don't understand Jesus Christ is the problem, right?

FxMasterz:
Wise men actually hide their words in parables when addressing an unserious audience so that only the wise would grasp what they're saying. Then , the curious ones can come and seek further explanation. That's what the disciples did, they sought further explanation and Jesus explained it to them. If anyone in the crowd had sought further explanation, Jesus would never reject him or her.

So by your logic, when you don't understand what your teacher teaches you in school, it means you were deceived?

Don't try to cover it up. Jesus was talking to everyone with parables! Not everyone he was talking to were unserious! Nowhere in the Bible does it state that everyone he was talking to was unserious!

The logic is not applicable to me! I paid to be taught by the teacher! And that's a contract to serve!

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Where did you see your unserious audience? Jesus was speaking like that and he said he will stop it at a later time. It doesn't depend on the audience!

TimiRume:
Lol Oops.

Anyway, I've created the thread so I must answer every differing view no matter how eerie they sound. 😁

I think Jesus had to speak in parables to a people who were not seeking truth. Truth is like a jewel. Why cast her out there casually. It's so unbefitting of her class. It's like letting gold litter every street corner. It will cease being gold. It's value is in its scarcity.

A commoner will never place value on something thrown at him at no price, it will just be another cheap item, cos that's what people do to cheap things. They are exposed for every one and people price them even further down.

God forbid, that God's word should be reduced to such status hence Jesus carefully guarded it. Thanks 🙂

Same old excuse!

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

How is the above statement of Jesus not speaking clearly dependent on the audience?

AntiChristian:
Don't try to cover it up. Jesus was talking to everyone with parables! Not everyone he was talking to were unserious! Nowhere in the Bible does it state that everyone he was talking to was unserious!

The logic is not applicable to me! I paid to be taught by the teacher! And that's a contract to serve!

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Where did you see your unserious audience? Jesus was speaking like that and he said he will stop it at a later time. It doesn't depend on the audience!

1. So, a person does not have the right to communicate to his audience the way he choses?

2. Because you paid to be taught by the teacher, whenever you don't understand what he teaches, he has deceived you?

3. Jesus described His audience in many languages such as 'generation of vipers', 'perverse generation', etc., which shows they were not serious. Many times they even attempted to trap Him. If He talks to them in parables, is that deception?

4. Show me any dictionary where it is said that speaking in parables is deception! Do it fast!

FxMasterz:
1. So, a person does not have the right to communicate to his audience the way he choses?

Where did i say or insinuate this? Jesus did encode his teachings in parables and decided to explain to his disciples who asked of the meanings later! All those he had taught who didn't understand and where not able to ask will be doomed as Jesus wanted! See the bolded and red colored verses below.

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

2. Because you paid to be taught by the teacher, whenever you don't understand what he teaches, he has deceived you?

This is illogical and doesn't fit into the discuss. No one paid Jesus to teach anybody!
A teacher is to teach while he receives payment for his services!

3. Jesus described His audience in many languages such as 'generation of vipers', 'perverse generation', etc., which shows they were not serious. Many times they even attempted to trap Him. If He talks to them in parables, is that deception?

He didn't call all his audience such! Jesus abused some of his audience because some asked for signs! It wasn't because of unseriousness! They asked for signs and he refused to give them. Others asked for miracles and he gave them without even preaching anything!

4. Show me any dictionary where it is said that speaking in parables is deception! Do it fast!

Deception is the act of causing someone to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid! Whenever Jesus Preached people do not understand him and they usually understood opposite of what he preached! And this is because he uses parables.

And Jesus said a time will come he will stop using such parables again!

AntiChristian:
Where did i say or insinuate this? Jesus did encode his teachings in parables and decided to explain to his disciples who asked of the meanings later! All those he had taught who didn't understand and where not able to ask will be doomed as Jesus wanted! See the bolded and red colored verses below.

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

How does that translate to deception? The things of God are revealed only to those who search for it like the disciples did. A thirst and a hunger for God is all you need to receive the things of God. If you do not desire God, God would not force His knowledge upon you.

This is illogical and doesn't fit into the discuss. No one paid Jesus to teach anybody!
A teacher is to teach while he receives payment for his services!

Quiet the same! Whether a paid or unpaid teacher, once the student does not understand, it means the teacher deceived him? I fully remember that in my school days, sometimes our teachers deliberately leave a lot of puzzles to us unsolved because they want us to research deeply and find answers by ourselves. Does that mean they were deceiving us?

He didn't call all his audience such! Jesus abused some of his audience because some asked for signs! It wasn't because of unseriousness! They asked for signs and he refused to give them. Others asked for miracles and he gave them without even preaching anything!

Was it because they asked for signs or because of the character of those who asked for signs? He said "a perverse and adulterous generation a sign but no sign would be given to them but the sign of Jonah..." That is an unserious generation who hears the word for fun only but never apply their hearts to it.

Deception is the act of causing someone to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid! Whenever Jesus Preached people do not understand him and they usually understood opposite of what he preached! And this is because he uses parables.

So, by using parables He presented He presented falsehood to them?

And Jesus said a time will come he will stop using such parables again!

That was for the disciples who were seekers. Not for those who never sought after the knowledge of God. The purpose of parables is to build curiosity in the mind of the hearer so that he'll search out diligently for knowledge and find it. By this, the seekers find, while the unserious are filtered out.

TimiRume:
What do you think? Do you think God is deliberately stopping people from seeing and hearing the truth....

Not stopping but amswering their prayer of "they don't want"

So, here He is simply answering their desire by cutting them off as they had desired.

AntiChristian:
When you talk to laymen using languages they couldn't understand! And afterwards explaining the same thing to others in a simpler way!

Yes, it is deception!

Did you not see that those He explained to ASKED for the explanation, since they were interested, o muslim antiChrist?

But since you are anti Christ, who suppose explain to you na?

Carry your madness go ya koran after all no one called you!

FxMasterz:
Read Romans 9 and 10 for an explanation.

Israel had to be shut out for the crucification to happen.If all Israel had accepted Jesus, Jesus would not be crucified, and the plan of salvation would have failed. God had to shut them out, ensure the crucification of Christ, bring salvation to the world, then re-engraft Israel at a latter date.

See madness. Is acceptance of Jesus not salvation? Argue with your screen!

StillDtruth:
Did you not see that those He explained to ASKED for the explanation, since they were interested, o muslim antiChrist?

But since you are anti Christ, who suppose explain to you na?

He explained to many people but when he was alone they disciple asked him about the parable! Read the red bolded below and see that Jesus did it on purpose not wanting many to be saved!

When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!' Mark 4:10-12

Carry your madness go ya koran after all no one called you!

I have no madness! Even Jesus's immediate family called him mad in Mark 3:21. So I'm not surprised!
So one must be at least mad to be a Christian!

FxMasterz:
How does that translate to deception? The things of God are revealed only to those who search for it like the disciples did. A thirst and a hunger for God is all you need to receive the things of God. If you do not desire God, God would not force His knowledge upon you.

It does. What sort of a Preacher preached for people to come back to ask him later to expatiate for them to understand. It just shows how inefficient Jesus's preaching was. The best teachers will teach the dullest student in class to grab what he teachers in the least time possible!

Quiet the same! Whether a paid or unpaid teacher, once the student does not understand, it means the teacher deceived him? I fully remember that in my school days, sometimes our teachers deliberately leave a lot of puzzles to us unsolved because they want us to research deeply and find answers by ourselves. Does that mean they were deceiving us?

If your aim as a teacher is to teach for people to come back and ask you later for the explanation of your teachings then you are not fit to be called a teacher! Using that name is even deceitful!

Was it because they asked for signs or because of the character of those who asked for signs? He said "a perverse and adulterous generation a sign but no sign would be given to them but the sign of Jonah..." That is an unserious generation who hears the word for fun only but never apply their hearts to it.

Where did Jesus mention them as unserious there? The Canaanite woman came asking for a sign did Jesus answer her immediately? I thinks she was unserious too!

So, by using parables He presented He presented falsehood to them?

Yes, that's why they try to stone him when they don't misunderstood what he was preaching!

That was for the disciples who were seekers. Not for those who never sought after the knowledge of God. The purpose of parables is to build curiosity in the mind of the hearer so that he'll search out diligently for knowledge and find it. By this, the seekers find, while the unserious are filtered out.

Jesus never gave this your explanations! Where can we find it? A teacher is not partial to his students. He is meant to teach effectively and efficiently! As a teacher you don't use a language people won't understand for sometime and later stop using it.

You use an understandable language all the time except you are an English teacher teaching idioms!

AntiChristian:
He explained to many people but when he was alone they disciple asked him about the parable! Read the red bolded below and see that Jesus did it on purpose not wanting many to be saved!

See, you confirmed "they asked" since they were interested!

AntiChristian:
I have no madness! Even Jesus's immediate family called him mad in Mark 3:21. So I'm not surprised!
So one must be at least mad to be a Christian!

See proof you are mad because every none mad person saw and knew that those who called Jesus mad were the mad ones like you for clearly, He did not do any mad thing unlike you a muslim and an anti Christ craziily and manically hung up on the bible as over proven here instead of focusing on your koran.

So, see you are clearly mad, muslim!