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Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
Chat with them and prove that you're not just another idiot spewing gibberish all over the forum with your madness.
They have listened to what i have to say about God and Jesus now they both have high regard for me.
Imagine Questionnaire calling me "KING" and "WISER ONE" simple because i discussed with him:
After comparing me with people like you this man realized that Christianity isn't what you people are practicing now he wants to know the truth about Christianity.
That's what it means to be a real Christian not just going about spewing gibberish claiming you believe in Jesus that you can't present any practical application of what he taught! wink
Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at
Pro_10:10  He who winks the eye causes trouble,
Pro_16:30  He who winks his eyes does so to devise perverse things;



johnw47: lost false jw

so some people like you ,
mad max you keep asking people to study the bible with you and no one does

false jw, u cannot ever stop lying and accusing like the devil,
1. show that i'm a satanist
2. show where i have been corrupting SeniorMan715 and Questionnaires minds with gibberish


liar like the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

accuser like the devil:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.
puffed up and lost false jw mad max

u r of course forever running away from repenting of your lies, u r forever the coward:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:55am On Jun 29, 2024
johnw47:
Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at
Pro_10:10  He who winks the eye causes trouble,
Pro_16:30  He who winks his eyes does so to devise perverse things;
puffed up and lost false jw mad max
u r of course forever running away from your lies, u r forever the coward:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
Blockhead, am i the one talking about myself or others? cheesy
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
Blockhead, am i the one talking about myself or others? cheesy
like i said confused and puffed up lost false jw mad max

u r of course forever running away from repenting of your lies, u r forever the coward:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by achorladey:
FxMasterz:
How are you so sure that Jesus started ruling in heaven in 1914? Is there a time Jesus was not ruling in heaven? You guys have so many things muddled up.

If you claimed Jesus would come in 1914 and he didn't come as you prophesied, what confidence do you have regarding something happening in heaven which you cannot see. Do you know how many times your organization has prophesied Jesus' coming with each prophecy failing woefully?
You see the liar and manipulator saying let them leave that religious organization grin grin grin grin

Something he knows long before this time. Abusing and insulting us for doing so. grin grin grin grin

1874,1878 are dates before 1914 they said Jesus Christ return will happen. When that did not work they manufacture another date grin grin grin
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by achorladey: 9:05am On Jun 29, 2024
FxMasterz:
I don't think they're still there. I'm not sure anyway but from the way they address JW matters here, I don't think they're still in the organization.
Don't mind the liar and manipulator. He wants to use another way to seek the relevance of his point. Saying we are still there to buttress his point that despite we are against their doctrine we have nowhere to go.

I came in contact with one of their elder who I know before leaving. I could see the lost in his face still wondering why I left. They don't like being rejected. So before leaving they paint you bad as much as possible so as to look good grin grin grin grin
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by achorladey: 9:10am On Jun 29, 2024
FxMasterz:
It's not madness. Don't you know the definition of madness again?

Freedom is in stages. Once light comes, it is followed by gradual detachment from darkness until total detachment happens. The work first begins in the mind over a period of time before a final decision is made. That was how you left Islam too. It was a gradual process. No one called you mad because of that. Calling them mad is absolutely wrong. It's a normal human way of responding to new discoveries after being used to a system for too long. You still have the time to convince them they're wrong if you have anything to offer. But you've done more damage to their stand regarding your organization than good.
The person that is still lamenting that after years of calling us mad. It has not removed the lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains as one of the worst fools on nairaland being one of Jehovah’s witness in his own words grin grin grin grin.


He knows we are no longer part of that religious organization. He even had to lie that we said he should not comment on his thread. He can use the whole space on his thread. Na im sabi. He simply cannot accept Aemmyjah saying stop responding to us. He cannot stop responding to us since he knows he has to cover up lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains about 1914 grin grin grin
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by FxMasterz:
MaxInDHouse:
This is where you're deceiving yourself!

Now try to visualize millions of Jews in the first century who have heard John the baptist and believed what he said about the Christ but later found out that the so called Christ isn't going to fulfill what John prophesied about just as John himself who was sent to prepare the way, heard God's voice in connection with Jesus' baptism, saw the Holy Spirit like a dove landing on Jesus but started doubting Jesus as the expected Messiah do you think millions who never saw or heard what John experienced will still continue to believe Jesus?
John actually didn't have to preach anything to them. They all had the same expectations as John because the scriptures didn't clearly separate the 2 comings for them to understand. As I said, Christ had to explain it to His disciples, and after the explanation, no Christian including the separatist groups like your JW should make such blunders as John. Jesus was clear on that issue. Anyone placing a date on the second coming is a false prophet.

What the JWs believe is that Jesus will return in the year 1914 bodily to judge the world once he is enthroned in heaven but instead the first thing Jesus did was to sack Satan and all demons from heaven then he visited the earth as a mighty Spirit King to restructure his group for the final work of gathering the obedient ones throughout the earth.
Please all these are in the figments of your imagination. There's no Biblical basis for the above hogwash. There's nothing such as Jesus first returning as a mighty spirit King. It's absolute nonsense. This was concocted by the JW leaders to save face after their prophecy failed. They don't have any single scriptural backing for such a lie.

So if you're not condemning John the baptist and Jesus' first century Jewish disciples for having a wrong expectation despite seeing Jesus face to face your condemnation of JWs is biased my guy they actually got something right which is the presence of a mighty Spirit King who did something in heaven in the year 1914! smiley
As I said before, John does not have to be condemned because the Bible didn't separate the 2 events of Christ's coming. Infact the events of the first and second coming are narrated in scripture as a singular event without anyone knowing that Christ would first fulfil a part, and later fulfil the other part. John the Baptist and the millions of Jews who expected Jesus to reign are not at fault.

Jesus had to explain things to the disciples and gave them clarity regarding what confused John. He then clearly lectured them regarding His second coming. There's no confusion regarding Christ's second coming. Everything is clear. Christ even warned that the timing is exclusively in the authority of the Father. He said He would come SUDDENLY. That means, He would not pre-announce a date. Anyone announcing a date for Christ's coming is a liar and deceiver.

Tell us any particular reason similar to the situation of John that should justify the blunders of the JWs. Don't just give us a blanket statement saying they too should err because John erred. John's reason for erring is clear. What's the reason for the JWs earring? Why are they the only ones erring? Are they the only Christians?

Now, let's talk about the bolded. What proof do you have to show that they got it right about a mighty spirit King ruling, and the 1914 reigning nonesense.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by achorladey: 9:11am On Jun 29, 2024
johnw47:
mad max is fearfully paranoid, he wouldn't say boo to you face to face, but at these anonymous
forums he is never ending accusing like the devil, and talking a lot of babble, just like the other false jw's here
Definitely. He was fearful enough to lament that we should be banned and blocked from Nairaland in order for him to have free and unfettered access to peddle lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by achorladey: 9:16am On Jun 29, 2024
FxMasterz:
I think I addressed this issue of equating the errors of John the Baptist with the JW false prophecies before. I wouldn't want to go into that anymore but I'll remind you in case you've forgotten.

John the Baptist was justifiably expecting Christ to start reigning in Jerusalem in his time because the Bible did not clearly separate the coming of Jesus into 2 different comings. Jesus had to explain in details to His disciples. By virtue of the explanations Jesus gave his disciples, no Christian should be making the blunder that John made. Anyone who does that, blatantly sets aside Jesus' explanation in a bid to work deceitfully. For example, I'm so clear about what Jesus said to the extent that even if someone makes a prophecy that Jesus would come at any specified date in our future, I wouldn't believe the person even if he spits fire as he speaks. That's clearly a false prophet. A deceiver. The knowledge we have of these things as Christians clearly forbids timing the second coming. All prophecies about the second coming of Christ at any specified date is a false prophecy.

But actually, this isn't the question I had wanted you to address. I wanted you to explain why you believe someone who fails to accurately calculate the fulfilment of a physical and verifiable event when such a person tells you about an unverifiable event such as Jesus ruling in heaven. If he failed in what is verifiable, can he be trusted in what is not verifiable?

Jesus' ruling in heaven is not even the Christians should be discussing because He has always been ruling. He didn't start in 1914. "He is seated on the right hand of majesty on high" Read Hebrews 1:1-3. Stephen saw Him seated at the right hand of God in Acts 7. He Himself had told Pilate, "My kingdom is not not of this world. If my kingdom was of this world, then would my servants fight " He clearly already had a kingdom. He didn't tell Pilate "My kingdom will not be of this world." Which would have made it a future kingdom. But He said "My kingdom is not of this world." Meaning, 'I actually have a kingdom which is not of this world. And I have servants too who can fight.' So, Jesus didn't start ruling in 1914. He was always a Ruler before He came to earth. Infact He left His throne above to come attend to the matter of man's separation from God.

Ephesus 1:19-24 tells us about Christ's rulership:

"And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of His mighty power, Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly place, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,"

Look very well into the above scripture and see why the 1914 claim is so heretical.
The liar and manipulator sabi parrot lies and manipulations packed into his brains....

Colossians 1:13 He rescued us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins.

The above scripture happened in 1914 grin grin grin grin.

They can even manipulate that Bible verse by saying that they were in darkness under babylon the great until 1919 when they were rescued and inspected by Jesus Christ. People that manipulate the parable of the talents to fit lies.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47:
johnw47: 1. show that i'm a satanist
2. show where i have been corrupting SeniorMan715 and Questionnaires minds with gibberish
lost false jw mad max

of course you are a habitual liar:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

lost false jw mad max

of course you habitually run away from repenting of your lies:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by FxMasterz: 9:19am On Jun 29, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Now you're lying just as usual!
If you've been worshiping Satan and you know the meaning of Satan and the consequences of being in the midst of Satanists so you will still remain in their midst worshiping Satan shey?
You're now proving to be mischievous because a normal person will first leave the midst of Satanists and once he or she finds people who are worshiping the true God he or she will ask for how to join them in the right place.
Now you are here and you claim you're Jesus' disciple can't you first help them to start worshiping your own Jesus away from the midst of Satanists?
Ọmọ now you're showing your true color! cheesy
You don't have to cast an aspersion on me by saying I'm lying as usual before you make your defective points. What lie have I ever told you before?

A person could be a Satanist knowing he is worshipping Satan. He would leave satanism immediately he recognizes that God is not what Satanists claim about God.

Meanwhile, a person who worships Satan unknowingly but was deceived and told he was worshipping God, would leave gradually depending on the rate at which his confusion is cleared. At first he starts asking questions: Is this really God? Have I been deceived? Am I wrong? Hope I'm not making the wrong decision by leaving this group? All the while, he'll be researching until he is fully convinced. Then, finally, he leaves. This is a case different from someone who knows clearly that he was worshipping Satan.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 9:21am On Jun 29, 2024
achorladey:
Definitely. He was fearful enough to lament that we should be banned and blocked from Nairaland in order for him to have free and unfettered access to peddle lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains
cowards are not God's people, they are deluded, and much much more, as we know
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by achorladey:
FxMasterz:
John actually didn't have to preach anything to them. They all had the same expectations as John because the scriptures didn't clearly separate the 2 comings for them to understand. As I said, Christ had to explain it to His disciples, and after the explanation, no Christian including the separatist groups like your JW should make such blunders as John. Jesus was clear on that issue. Anyone placing a date on the second coming is a false prophet.


Please all these are in the figments of your imagination. There's no Biblical basis for the above hogwash. There's nothing such as Jesus first returning as a mighty spirit King. It's absolute nonsense. This was concocted by the JW leaders to save face after their prophecy failed. They don't have any single scriptural backing for such a lie.



As I said before, John does not have to be condemned because the Bible didn't separate the 2 events of Christ's coming. Infact the events of the first and second coming are narrated in scripture as a singular event without anyone knowing that Christ would first fulfil a part, and later fulfil the other part. John the Baptist and the millions of Jews who expected Jesus to reign are not at fault.

Jesus had to explain things to the disciples and gave them clarity regarding what confused John. He then clearly lectured them regarding His second coming. There's no confusion regarding Christ's second coming. Everything is clear. Christ even warned that the timing is exclusively in the authority of the Father. He said He would come SUDDENLY. That means, He would not pre-announce a date. Anyone announcing a date for Christ's coming is a liar and deceiver.

Tell us any particular reason similar to the situation of John that should justify the blunders of the JWs. Don't just give us a blanket statement saying the too should err because John erred. John's reason for erring is clear. What's the reason for the JWs earring? Why are they the only ones erring? Are they the only Christians?

Now, let's talk about the bolded. What proof do you have to show that they got it right eyeglass a mighty spirit King ruling and the 1914 reigning as you said?
You are giving him room to advance lies and manipulations about John. That's how he was busy lying against Peter and the Holy spirit just to defend his 9 men housed in USA that his GODS of men can ERR like them too. They didn't teach or preach nonsense about the coming of Jesus Christ. John didn't make false predictions or prophesy about Jesus coming. John didn't go about ridiculing Christ coming with dates.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by achorladey: 9:24am On Jun 29, 2024
FxMasterz:
You don't have to cast an aspersion on me by saying I'm lying as usual before you make your defective points. What lie have I ever told you before?

A person could be a Satanist knowing he is worshipping Satan. He would leave satanism immediately he recognizes that God is not what Satanists claim about God.

Meanwhile, a person who worships Satan unknowingly but was deceived and told he was worshipping God, would leave gradually depending on the rate at which his confusion is cleared. At first he starts asking questions: Is this really God? Have I been deceived? Am I wrong? Hope I'm not making the wrong decision by leaving this group? All the while, he'll be researching until he is fully convinced. Then, finally, he leaves. This is a case different from someone who knows clearly that he was worshipping Satan.
That you are lying I read in that post is laughable. He must find something to denigrate or attach to you. He is to looking for every means to look even and drag you into his dirty, failures and failings grin grin grin
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 9:25am On Jun 29, 2024
achorladey:
The liar and manipulator sabi parrot lies and manipulations packed into his brains....

Colossians 1:13 He rescued us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins.

The above scripture happened in 1914 grin grin grin grin.

They can even manipulate that Bible verse by saying that they were in darkness under babylon the great until 1919 when they were rescued and inspected by Jesus Christ. People that manipulate the parable of the talents to fit lies.
they are still in darkness under babylon the great, we can easily tell that by all their confused babble talk
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by FxMasterz: 9:31am On Jun 29, 2024
achorladey:
You see the liar and manipulator saying let them leave that religious organization grin grin grin grin

Something he knows long before this time. Abusing and insulting us for doing so. grin grin grin grin

1874,1878 are dates before 1914 they said Jesus Christ second return will happen. When that did not work they manufacture another date grin grin grin
I've put the failed dates in memory. Thanks for alluding to them.

Maxindhouse, Achorladey says you knew long ago that they've left your organization, and you've even been abusing them because of it.

Why are you lying that they're still in the organization? Should you always lie before you make a point?
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by achorladey: 9:32am On Jun 29, 2024
johnw47:
they are still in darkness under babylon the great, we can easily tell that by all their confused babble talk
The babble talk of new light, old light, light getting brighter, new truth, old truth.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by FxMasterz: 9:35am On Jun 29, 2024
achorladey:
The person that is still lamenting that after years of calling us mad. It has not removed the lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains as one of the worst fools on nairaland being one of Jehovah’s witness in his own words grin grin grin grin.


He knows we are no longer part of that religious organization. He even had to lie that we said he should not comment on his thread. He can use the whole space on his thread. Na im sabi. He simply cannot accept Aemmyjah saying stop responding to us. He cannot stop responding to us since he knows he has to cover up lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains about 1914 grin grin grin
Maxindhouse, at the bolded, why did you lie? I ask you again!
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by FxMasterz:
achorladey:
The liar and manipulator sabi parrot lies and manipulations packed into his brains....

Colossians 1:13 He rescued us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins.

The above scripture happened in 1914 grin grin grin grin.

They can even manipulate that Bible verse by saying that they were in darkness under babylon the great until 1919 when they were rescued and inspected by Jesus Christ. People that manipulate the parable of the talents to fit lies.
Maxindhouse, another scripture to puncture your 1914 lies. Shame on liars who lie against the Word of God.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by achorladey:
FxMasterz:
I've put the failed dates in memory. Thanks for alluding to them.

Maxindhouse, Achorladey says you knew long ago that they've left your organization, and you've even been abusing them because of it.

Why are you lying that they're still in the organization? Should you always lie before you make a point?
I told you several times. He cannot make a point without lying and claiming lies on behalf of others.

Wumiwumi100 showed evidence he is an elder and still active. He cannot even show us evidence that indeed he is an elder and yet lie and claim nonsense on behalf of others to make a point.

The same MaxInDHouse said I was cursed by Brocab years ago while still a member and now that I am no longer a member of that religious organization yet insisting we are still members. grin


They didn't didn't even believe the last day began in 1914 that they are now saying. They believed that 1914 God is coming to pack everything up and take over everything. When what they predicted and prophesied didn't happen they start another round of mental gymnastics about setting dates on Christ return and last daysgrin grin grin
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 9:58am On Jun 29, 2024
achorladey:
The babble talk of new light, old light, light getting brighter, new truth, old truth.
yes they believe anything their masters tell them
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 10:00am On Jun 29, 2024
achorladey:
I told you several times. He cannot make a point without lying and claiming lies on behalf of others.

Wumiwumi100 showed evidence he is an elder and still active. He cannot even show us evidence that indeed he is an elder and yet lie and claim nonsense on behalf of others to make a point.

The same MaxInDHouse said I was cursed by Brocab years ago while still a member and now that I am no longer a member of that religious organization yet insisting we are still members. grin


They didn't didn't even believe the last day began in 1914 that they are now saying now. They believe that 1914 God is coming to pack everything up and take over everything. When what they predicted and prophesied didn't happen they start another round of mental gymnastics about setting dates on Christ return grin grin grin
they are really as dum as they come, so dum they don't even know it
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by oteneaaron(m): 10:12am On Jun 29, 2024
achorladey:
I told you several times. He cannot make a point without lying and claiming lies on behalf of others.

Wumiwumi100 showed evidence he is an elder and still active. He cannot even show us evidence that indeed he is an elder and yet lie and claim nonsense on behalf of others to make a point.

The same MaxInDHouse said I was cursed by Brocab years ago while still a member and now that I am no longer a member of that religious organization yet insisting we are still members. grin


They didn't didn't even believe the last day began in 1914 that they are now saying now. They believe that 1914 God is coming to pack everything up and take over everything. When what they predicted and prophesied didn't happen they start another round of mental gymnastics about setting dates on Christ return grin grin grin
Very true.

Jehovah's Witnesses are PATHOLOGICAL LIARS.

The doctrine of 1914 was initially an "end of the world" prophecy by Charles Taze Russell.

It was after the prophecy failed that they made a quick switch to begin calling it "the start of the last days".

Here are some evidences from their own publications to prove this -

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." Studies in the Scriptures - The Time is at Hand (1889) 1911 ed. p.99

"… the battle of the great day of God Almighty … The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. [/b]It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874. ... [b]The Scriptures show also that the battle of the great day will begin with the church of God, and that the overthrow of the great nominal church systems will precede the overthrow of the present civil powers; for the Lord is about to shake, not only the earth (the civil organisation for society), but heaven (the ecclesiastical powers) also (Heb. 12:26), to the end that great "Babylon," falsely called Christendom -Christ's kingdom- may be completely destroyed. " Zion's Watch Tower 1892 Jan 15 pp.21-23

It is no surprise that MaxInDHouse and his cohorts are known for shamelessly spreading LIES - it is a trait they all share from the Governing Body down to the rank and file JW.

Back then when I was a member of this religion and decided to do my research into the history of the religion, was when I learnt about many of their FAILED PROPHECIES.

Deuteronomy 18 VS 21 & 22 was what gave me the boldness to stand strong and reject this religion, their Governing Body and their endless LIES -

"And if you say in your heart, `How may we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'

When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him." - RSV

There is no need to be afraid of the Governing Body nor to be afraid of been shunned for rejecting their false prophecies and endless LIES.

CC: Emusan, Courz, FxMasterz, Wumiwumi100, JohnW47

For more context on their failed prophecies of 1914, see this article - https://jwfacts(dot) com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

*remove the (dot)
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by FxMasterz: 11:07am On Jun 29, 2024
achorladey:
I told you several times. He cannot make a point without lying and claiming lies on behalf of others.

Wumiwumi100 showed evidence he is an elder and still active. He cannot even show us evidence that indeed he is an elder and yet lie and claim nonsense on behalf of others to make a point.

The same MaxInDHouse said I was cursed by Brocab years ago while still a member and now that I am no longer a member of that religious organization yet insisting we are still members. grin


They didn't didn't even believe the last day began in 1914 that they are now saying. They believed that 1914 God is coming to pack everything up and take over everything. When what they predicted and prophesied didn't happen they start another round of mental gymnastics about setting dates on Christ return and last daysgrin grin grin
Maxindhouse, another of your lies get busted again.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by achorladey: 11:07am On Jun 29, 2024
oteneaaron:
Very true.

Jehovah's Witnesses are PATHOLOGICAL LIARS.

The doctrine of 1914 was initially an "end of the world" prophecy by Charles Taze Russell.

It was after the prophecy failed that they made a quick switch to begin calling it "the start of the last days".

Here are some evidences from their own publications to prove this -

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." Studies in the Scriptures - The Time is at Hand (1889) 1911 ed. p.99

"… the battle of the great day of God Almighty … The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. [/b]It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874. ... [b]The Scriptures show also that the battle of the great day will begin with the church of God, and that the overthrow of the great nominal church systems will precede the overthrow of the present civil powers; for the Lord is about to shake, not only the earth (the civil organisation for society), but heaven (the ecclesiastical powers) also (Heb. 12:26), to the end that great "Babylon," falsely called Christendom -Christ's kingdom- may be completely destroyed. " Zion's Watch Tower 1892 Jan 15 pp.21-23

It is no surprise that MaxInDHouse and his cohorts are known for shamelessly spreading LIES - it is a trait they all share from the Governing Body down to the rank and file JW.

Back then when I was a member of this religion and decided to do my research into the history of the religion, was when I learnt about many of their FAILED PROPHECIES.

Deuteronomy 18 VS 21 & 22 was what gave me the boldness to stand strong and reject this religion, their Governing Body and their endless LIES -

"And if you say in your heart, `How may we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'

When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him." - RSV

There is no need to be afraid of the Governing Body nor to be afraid of been shunned for rejecting their false prophecies and endless LIES.

CC: Emusan, Courz, FxMasterz, Wumiwumi100, JohnW47

For more context on their failed prophecies of 1914, see this article - https://jwfacts(dot) com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

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Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by FxMasterz: 11:12am On Jun 29, 2024
oteneaaron:
Very true.

Jehovah's Witnesses are PATHOLOGICAL LIARS.

The doctrine of 1914 was initially an "end of the world" prophecy by Charles Taze Russell.

It was after the prophecy failed that they made a quick switch to begin calling it "the start of the last days".

Here are some evidences from their own publications to prove this -

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." Studies in the Scriptures - The Time is at Hand (1889) 1911 ed. p.99

"… the battle of the great day of God Almighty … The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. [/b]It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874. ... [b]The Scriptures show also that the battle of the great day will begin with the church of God, and that the overthrow of the great nominal church systems will precede the overthrow of the present civil powers; for the Lord is about to shake, not only the earth (the civil organisation for society), but heaven (the ecclesiastical powers) also (Heb. 12:26), to the end that great "Babylon," falsely called Christendom -Christ's kingdom- may be completely destroyed. " Zion's Watch Tower 1892 Jan 15 pp.21-23

It is no surprise that MaxInDHouse and his cohorts are known for shamelessly spreading LIES - it is a trait they all share from the Governing Body down to the rank and file JW.

Back then when I was a member of this religion and decided to do my research into the history of the religion, was when I learnt about many of their FAILED PROPHECIES.

Deuteronomy 18 VS 21 & 22 was what gave me the boldness to stand strong and reject this religion, their Governing Body and their endless LIES -

"And if you say in your heart, `How may we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'

When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him." - RSV

There is no need to be afraid of the Governing Body nor to be afraid of been shunned for rejecting their false prophecies and endless LIES.

CC: Emusan, Courz, FxMasterz, Wumiwumi100, JohnW47

For more context on their failed prophecies of 1914, see this article - https://jwfacts(dot) com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

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What I've discovered is that the JW GBs have mastered the art of Words. Word art is their fort. They are very eloquent and gifted talkers and writers. That skill, they combined with another skill in deception and manipulation of words coupled with an indepth knowledge of human psychology to fleece millions of gullible souls.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 11:19am On Jun 29, 2024
just a little on false prophets/so called Jehovah's witnesses beliefs on end times and Jesus second coming etc.


some info from gotquestions dot com

1. The Last days began 1799 (The Harp of God, 1928 ed., p. 235–36, 239).

2. Jesus started being present with His people in 1874, and He started ruling in heaven in 1878 (ibid., p. 236, 239–40).

3. The times of the Gentiles would end in 1914, resulting in the end of Armageddon, the fall of false religion, the end of all earthly governments, the heavenly and earthly resurrections, and paradise on earth (Watchtower, July 15, 1894, p. 226).



they (false jw's) say, Jesus cast Satan and his demons out of heaven to the vicinity of Earth, and this is what started World War I. It is worth noting that, although Jesus supposedly became King in heaven in October 1914, the First World War had already been going for some three months


As late as 1961, Jehovah’s Witnesses believed that the generation alive in 1914 would be “the generation alive that will not pass away till there is fulfilled that ‘great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again’” (Watchtower, April 15, 1961, p. 236)
^^ the generation alive in 1914 if we count only the new born babies would be 110 years old now, the peope alive in 1914
that were 25 years of age, wold be 135 years old now, and the great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning hasn't even started yet.

they such false prophets
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by FxMasterz: 11:22am On Jun 29, 2024
achorladey:
You are giving him room to advance lies and manipulations about John. That's how he was busy lying against Peter and the Holy spirit just to defend his 9 men housed in USA that his GODS of men can ERR like them too. They didn't teach or preach nonsense about the coming of Jesus Christ. He. John didn't make false predictions or prophesy about Jesus coming. John didn't go about ridiculing Christ coming with dates
Abi.

He only had expectations. He never even announced to the people that Christ has come to start a kingdom. He only showed them that Christ was the expected Messiah which was very correct.

Maxindhouse, tell us where John ever announced to the millions of Jews you were referring to that Christ has come to reign as king over them. To the best of our knowledge, it was just an expectation of John. He never preached or announced it like the JW are doing in their failed prophecies.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by KnownUnknown: 11:43am On Jun 29, 2024
I wonder how Jesus began to rule.
Was it a coup? Did the former king die?
What is an abdication?
Was the old king executed?
What did the nobles think? Did they side with the previous king or king Jesus?
Was there a war? How many casualties?
What did the peasants and other commoners think?
Do they agree with the idea of monarchy?
Do they have democratic ideals?
Would they prefer a free and fair election?
How satisfied are they with the state of the kingdom?
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by MaxInDHouse(op): 12:02pm On Jun 29, 2024
FxMasterz:
John actually didn't have to preach anything to them.
The beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ, the Son of God: Just as it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “(Look! I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way.) A voice of one crying out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of Jehovah! Make his roads straight.’” John the Baptizer was in the wilderness, PREACHING baptism in symbol of repentance for forgiveness of sins. Mark 1:1-4

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Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by FxMasterz: 12:08pm On Jun 29, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
The beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ, the Son of God: Just as it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “(Look! I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way.) A voice of one crying out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of Jehovah! Make his roads straight.’” John the Baptizer was in the wilderness, PREACHING baptism in symbol of repentance for forgiveness of sins. Mark 1:1-4

With the two highlighted oya CORRECT yourself! smiley
Stop manipulating my words. John didn't preach anything to them about what we were discussing which was the matter of Christ reigning as King.

Is the preaching of baptism and repentance the same as preaching that Christ has come to reign as King over Israel? Show me where John preached that Christ has come to reign as King over Israel. He had wrong expectations but never made a wrong declaration.
Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by MaxInDHouse(op): 12:08pm On Jun 29, 2024
FxMasterz:
You don't have to cast an aspersion on me by saying I'm lying as usual before you make your defective points. What lie have I ever told you before?

*A person could be a Satanist knowing he is worshipping Satan. He would leave satanism immediately he recognizes that God is not what Satanists claim about God.

Meanwhile, *a person who worships Satan unknowingly but was deceived and told he was worshipping God, would leave gradually depending on the rate at which his confusion is cleared. At first he starts asking questions: Is this really God? Have I been deceived? Am I wrong? Hope I'm not making the wrong decision by leaving this group? All the while, he'll be researching until he is fully convinced. Then, finally, he leaves. This is a case different from someone who knows clearly that he was worshipping Satan.
The two highlighted shows you're a BLOODY LIAR! cheesy

At first you said a person who unknowingly worships Satan will leave IMMEDIATELY he is convinced that Satan is what he is worshiping and at the same time you said a person who is worshiping Satan will GRADUALLY leave.

Ọmọ why are you deceiving yourself nah?

Are these people who are always saying the organization is worshiping Satan sure of what they're saying or they're saying all these in their dreams? cheesy
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