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| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 10:04pm On Jun 29, 2024 |
Friendly reminder. I see your demons have gathered a lot of mass. Ohyoudidnt: |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 10:08pm On Jun 29, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:1. Solomon started building the temple 1Kin 6:1: "And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD." 2. Solomon completed building the Temple after 7 years of building 1Kin 6:38: "And in the eleventh year, in the month Bul, which is the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it." 3. Solomon furnished the Temple 1Kin 7:13-14: "And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram out of Tyre. He was a widow's son of the tribe of Naphtali, and his father was a man of Tyre, a worker in brass: and he was filled with wisdom, and understanding, and cunning to work all works in brass. And he came to king Solomon, and worked all his work." 4. Solomon dedicated the Temple 1Kin 8:10-11: "And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD, So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD." 5. Gods response to Solomon after he had dedicated the Temple 1Kin 9:1: "And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do," So, how are you Sure that Solomon did NOT complete the "mosque "? Please read 1 Kings chapter 6, 7, 8 and 9 and tell me if you found any Jinn among the workmen? Where did you get your story? |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 10:13pm On Jun 29, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:You fall my hand seriously sir. All because you despise the Truth!? I do not hate you. I wish you well. I want you to be saved. I don't want you to discover that you have been deceived by the Al-Makr into Hell fire when it's too late? I will not be guilty of not showing you the truth! |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 10:18pm On Jun 29, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:If you truly want the truth, you will find it. You are not an Arab but if you want any Tafsir in Arabic, I will show you the way https://www.altafsir.com/ Have a great night! |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 5:36pm On Jun 30, 2024 |
TenQ:The Books of Samuel and Kings are part of the historical books in the Old Testament of the Bible. They cover a significant period in Israelite history, including the transition from a confederation of tribes to a centralized monarchy under kings like Saul, David, and Solomon. These books contain narratives about political events, military campaigns, religious reforms, and interactions with neighboring nations. Studies on these texts often involves critical analysis that questions their historicity. Some scholars argue that the accounts in these books may have been shaped by theological or ideological motives rather than strict historical accuracy. They point out discrepancies, contradictions, and anachronisms within the texts that raise doubts about their reliability as straightforward historical records. One of these contradictions is that the First Book of Kings states that the number of Solomon’s chief officers or foremen, who supervised the workers, was 3300 men (1 Kings 5:14-16). In the Second Book of Chronicles, it says that the number was 3600 (2 Chronicles 2:2, 18). They claim that these books are a revelation from God to the prophets who came after Solomon, so it is impossible that there could be any difference or contradiction between them. The Bible says that the temple was sixty cubits long (approximately 30 metres); it was twenty cubits (10 metres) wide, and thirty cubits (15 metres) high. The porch (courtyard) in front of it was twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide. 1 Kings 6; 2 Chronicles 3. The amount of gold used was one hundred thousand talents [a talent is equivalent to approximately 16 g], in other words, 1.6 tons of gold! The amount of silver was one million talents; in other words, 16 tons of silver! The amount of iron and copper is not mentioned, because it was a huge amount, and the amount of wood and stone used was even more than that. Does it make sense to suggest that all these materials were used, and 180,000 workers participated in its construction for a period of seven years, for the sake of such a small building? Perhaps Architectural and building engineers can make sense of this. |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 8:51pm On Jun 30, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:It is good you at least recognise that these are historical records for which modern archeology is proving the factual Ohyoudidnt:1. If Allah had not subscribed to the scripture of the Jews, you would have been taken seriously. Are you admitting that Allah was wrong about the earlier scriptures? 2. The Bible us not a dictation by God but men taking down records of events they witnessed with respect to how God related with them when they obeyed or disobeyed Him. Unlike the Qur'an which just one discrepancy is enough to prove that it is NOT from God for God is perfect. 3. You may need to present your own historical evidence and eyewitnesses to the event of Solomons kingdom. 4. Please don't forget to add the other fables of A. Solomon's flying carpet: From your true source, How true is this fable? B. Solomon's conversation with the Ants From your true source, How true is this fable? C. Solomon's magic ring and how Iblis stole it From your true source, How true is this fable? D. Solomon's Army of Birds, Jinn and soldiers From your true source, How true is this fable? E. Don't forget the head of the Army of Solomon, the hoopoe bird and it's interaction with the queen of sheba From your true source, How true is this fable? If your source is correct, will you also be willing to substantiate these Jewish children bedtime stories in your source? Shall we put your sources to test? I expect you to pick race |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 9:29pm On Jun 30, 2024 |
TenQ: Ohyoudidnt:Select and discard as is true to you and your forerunners that collected what you have as Jewish and Christian literature. I bet you don't understand the former paragraph and conclude wrongly that the historicity of your biblical collection is open to questions. In any case you failed to address the actual concerns about the number of supervisors or is it typo? Neither do you address the quantity of materials allegedly used. Were these stolen? I only wanted to bring it to your notice in case you never noticed before. Kindly have a rest and just maybe we may chat again when you have pure unquestionable facts. |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 9:52pm On Jun 30, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:The fact that some people claimed that Buhari was one certain El-Sudan does not make it true. I guess you concur that Allah was wrong in the Qur'an for subscribing to our Books! You don't seem to get it If the Bible is corrupted, the Qur'an and it's Author is FALSE If the Bible is TRUE, the Quran and it's Author is still FALSE! There is no going round it! Let me help you out with one Did Ants and Solomon actually had a conversation? Yes or No! |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 10:39pm On Jun 30, 2024 |
TenQ:Can't you simply accept the error of your Bible mentioning a 3300 count then 3600 elsewhere for the same count? Is one of these or both of them a lie? Don't deflect and if you do first answer which is correct. |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 6:49am On Jul 01, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Not if Allah supports the Bible except you admit that Allah goofed. Since Muslims are so DULL in understanding, Let me describe your logic with the Islamic Dawah script News Source ONE: Wikipedia Dana Air On 3 June 2012, a Dana Air McDonnell Douglas MD-83 operating as Flight 0992 crashed into a two-story building at Iju Railway, Ishaga, a suburb of Lagos. All 153 people on the aircraft were killed. Following the crash, all flights by Dana Air were halted by Nigeria's Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Air News Source TWO:Wikipedia Dana Air Flight 0992 Dana Air Flight 0992 was a scheduled Nigerian domestic passenger flight from Abuja to Lagos, Nigeria. On 3 June 2012, the McDonnell Douglas MD-83 aircraft serving the route suffered a dual-engine failure during its approach to Lagos. It failed to reach its intended destination and crashed onto buildings, killing all 153 people on board and six on the ground. With 159 deaths, it remains the deadliest commercial airliner crash in Nigerian history since the Kano air disaster in 1973. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Air_Flight_0992 News Source THREE List of passengers on board DANA Air flight: Channels TV News The McDonnell Douglas MD-83 passenger plane crashed into a two-story building in Iju-Ishaga, a densely populated suburb in Lagos state. There were 146 passengers and six crew members aboard the flight. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.channelstv.com/2012/06/04/list-of-passengers-on-board-dana-air-flight/amp/ Islamic Dawah and Logical Conclusion There was nothing like a Dana Airline Crash in 2012 because the news say 153, 159 and 146 people died in the crash. Instead, it was a Luxurious Bus from Onitsha to Aba that had an accident killing 200 people Can you see your Logic and Intelligence exemplified above? Unlike your Qur'an that was the Direct Words from Allah (aka Mohammed), The Bible us not a dictation by God but men taking down records of events they witnessed with respect to how God related with them when they obeyed or disobeyed Him. Unlike the Qur'an which just one discrepancy is enough to prove that it is NOT from God for God is perfect. You still don't seem to get it 1. If the Bible is corrupted, the Qur'an and it's Author is FALSE 2. If the Bible is TRUE, the Quran and it's Author is still FALSE! There is no going round it! Let me help you out with one Did the Ants and Solomon actually had a conversation? Yes or No ! Are you afraid? |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 8:14am On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ:There you go again. Your bible goofed in providing two different numberings. Which of them is correct? When we can't see consistency there how then can there be a truth regarding the Bible narration about the Temple built by Solomon? Whay makes a conversation between 2 people ? What did the ant say to Solomon and what did he say to the ant? |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by AntiChristian: 8:56am On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ:Where is the reference? |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 9:31am On Jul 01, 2024 |
AntiChristian:Here it is from Mr Ohyoudidnt Ohyoudidnt:Thus my question if this is the TRUE position of Islam |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 9:32am On Jul 01, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:It is more serious to see that 1. Allah goofed seriously about the Bible showing that he is fake and his knowledge does not go beyond what is expected from an unlearned 6th century man AND 2. You contemporary Muslims are now more wiser and more knowledgeable than both Allah and your prophet Mohammad. You indeed have made my day Is this true Qur'an 27:18-19 What did the Ant say? What was Solomon's response? |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 10:08am On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ:Repeated dishonesty doesn't become truth. 1. Allah did not categorically mention bibles. 2. Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing? Quran 2:75 So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. Quran 2:79 Torah ≠ Bible Write out the translation of the meaning of the verse Qur'an 27:18-19 or preferably the arabic let's see what it says compared to what you claim it says. Show that you too are not trying to distort |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 10:37am On Jul 01, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Allah did not reportedly mention the bible because he is IGNORANT of the fact that the Bible contained ALL the Books of the Jews and ALL the Books of the Christians from ALL their prophets. Does Allah even know that the Torah is compilation of FIVE Books? Please deal with the fact that in 2024, you discovered that you are more knowledgeable than Allah and his Mohammed combined. Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false What did the Ant say? What was Solomon's response? How Allah couldn't know the difference between Scripture and Jewish children bedtime stories is puzzling . |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 10:49am On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ:You see yourself. Allah is ignorant of the Bible meaning he doesn't know about the Bible. How then will he goof about what he doesn't know about. Best I know Allah didn't mention the Bible. Again you distort the truth by saying the Bible contains books. All in your view to defend the lie you used to defend your view of Solomon's temple? Present the full verse and stop sharing your viewpoint. Did the ant speak to Solomon and Solomon respond to the ant? |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 11:31am On Jul 01, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Why are you afraid? Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false What did the Ant say? What was Solomon's response? Don't twist my words" Allah did not reportedly mention the bible because he is IGNORANT of the fact that the Bible contained ALL the Books of the Jews and ALL the Books of the Christians from ALL their prophets. So, you don't know that the Bible is a compilation several books? SMH! How Allah couldn't know the difference between Scripture and Jewish children bedtime stories is puzzling . |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 12:04pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ: TenQ:When many lies are told the previous lie can easily get forgotten. Your post above alludes to Ants and Solomon having a conversation. TenQ: TenQ:From the emboldened all your lies precede and you continue to uphold them. Tell me how an honest conversation can be had with you or do I need to relearn what honest means. ![]() |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 2:23pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:See the slave of the Al-Makr saying that someone is lying when according to most Muslims your hadiths are mostly fraudulent and fabrications. A religion when Muhammad went to paradise on Al-Burak that no one saw to this day first to a Mosque that doesn't exist again. From inception Muslims have been lying both to themselves and others Do you know where the sun set? The answer to the Question was a LIE by no other than your esteemed prophet! Does the sun set in the murky waters? By your comprehension, you will say this question is a LIE too! SMH! 1. Allah is the same God of the Jews and the ChristiansOne can go on and on. Without Lies, Islam DIES! Islam must reinvent history to survive. Tell me, can my Question be a LIE when the answer was straightforward YES or NO? Is the YES the lie or the NO? All these to EVADE my Questions? Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false What did the Ant say? What was Solomon's response? It's the same spirit disturbing you Muslims and Atheists: same spirit! |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 3:26pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ: TenQ:Provide details of the conversation you lie that the Ants and Solomon had. |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 4:02pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Mr Liar Just look at how you twist my simple question into a statement of the conversation that the ants and Solomon had! SMH! Mr Liar, I challenge you to Provide details of the post where I said that Solomon and the Ants had a conversation? All these to EVADE my Questions? Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false What did the Ant say? What was Solomon's response? |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 5:16pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ: TenQ: TenQ:Is this in red not you repeating your view of Solomon and ants having a conversation you claim was had? TenQ: TenQ:Do you not point to this verse to support your lie that Solomon and ant had a conversation? |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 6:25pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:If this is your proof of the statement of details of the post where I said that Solomon and the Ants had a conversation, your case is beyond redemption as a shameless LIAR feigning DUMBNESS to sell a fraudulent narrative. I am not surprised because this is ISLAM in it's summary: the Religion of Lies and Liars! All these to EVADE my Questions? Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false What did the Ant say? What was Solomon's response? |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 7:02pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ: TenQ:One of these contradictions is that the First Book of Kings states that the number of Solomon’s chief officers or foremen, who supervised the workers, was 3300 men (1 Kings 5:14-16). In the Second Book of Chronicles, it says that the number was 3600 (2 Chronicles 2:2, 18). They claim that these books are a revelation from God to the prophets who came after Solomon, so it is impossible that there could be any difference or contradiction between them. The Bible says that the temple was sixty cubits long (approximately 30 metres); it was twenty cubits (10 metres) wide, and thirty cubits (15 metres) high. The porch (courtyard) in front of it was twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide. 1 Kings 6; 2 Chronicles 3. The amount of gold used was one hundred thousand talents [a talent is equivalent to approximately 16 g], in other words, 1.6 tons of gold! The amount of silver was one million talents; in other words, 16 tons of silver! The amount of iron and copper is not mentioned, because it was a huge amount, and the amount of wood and stone used was even more than that. Does it make sense to suggest that all these materials were used, and 180,000 workers participated in its construction for a period of seven years, for the sake of such a small building? Perhaps Architectural and building engineers can make sense of this. Solomon started building the temple but contradictions on the number of people that supervised the construction; irrationality in fitting the amount of materials used to the size of what was built puts the story you tell into serious question. TenQ:Your link here show verses of the Quran in arabic and English translation of the Tafsir not the arabic. If this is untrue screenshot the tafsir in arabic. This is where we are before you bring other evading diversions to the building of the Temple. What is the reason behind your questioning Qur'an 27:18-19 ? What about it don't you understand. I expect you to divert again. |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 10:40pm On Jul 01, 2024*. Modified: 11:03pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:If I lie about any point here challenge it *Any God that must first take his slaves to hell fire is non other than satan *And a fool is one who doesn't know that it is worse than sacrilege if his God is so ignorant he thought that the sun set in some murky waters. *Is it not scandalous for a God to think that women have reproductive fluid coming from their ribs. *Is it not disgraceful for a persons God to say Alhamdullilah: to who? *Is it not shameful is a persons God will ask his worshippers to do Halal prostitution? *Is it not a fraud if a persons God claim to be the God of Israel and doesn't know Yahweh! *Is it not a disgrace for a God to claim that Solomon died standing on a walking stick for almost a year as your scholars have reported. *Is it not shameful that a God claims that Ants spoke when Ants do not speak? *Is it not disgraceful that a persons God cannot raise the dead or say who killed the dead because he doesn't know the answer! *Is it not disgraceful to have a God whose Apostle was accused of stealing underwear but he couldn't say who stole the underwear? *A God who raises the dead with the carcass of a cow cannot be God * Any God who cannot answer simple questions like : "What about the Spirit" is at best IGNORANT and lacking in knowledge. *A local God that must be prayed to with Arabic language is not better than the local Deities like Ogun or Oya or Amadioha. *Any God that is localized is an IDOL whose oneness is not different from the oneness of Iblis *Any God who can be carried by 8 Angels is a LIMITED God. *It is not fitting that a Self acclaimed God will ascribe story's and fables of the ancients as true stories. Oya! Compare your God to human beings who can report the same events different because of their different point of view You have not one iota of shame. That a God (who is not a human being) can accumulate such an assembly of Failures and Goofs and still claim to be something! This is why ALL slaves of this particular God has to tell lies to protect his image. Finally, All these to EVADE my Questions? Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false What did the Ant say? What was Solomon's response? Answer my questions, then I promise to answer your lame objections if you still care |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 11:08pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:The Tafsirs are well sourced. If you are interested in the Arabic, look for it as I am not an Arab. Otherwise, query the Islamic source where I took the three Tafsirs.Go fight with them for not showing the Arabic text BTW Did I not show you where to get the Arabic text of most Tafsirs if you wanted? But no! You don't want that because you despise the Truth! |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 11:14pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ:A leopard can't change it's spots. You maintain the lie that you show where the arabic tafsir is yet what is seen there is arabic text of the Quran. Have your lies confused you to equate Tafsir to Quran? You cannot screenshot the arabic tafsir from your source that exposes your lies and still have audacity to speak? |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 11:25pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Aren't they easy to find? If you are hungry for Arabic, go to https://www.altafsir.com/ Only a person who has things to hide rambles around like you. It's just like me asking you to post the Greek or Hebrew manuscript of the Bible to assent to a point. |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 11:35pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ:Usual style of a liar to divert into other things outside the immediate issue in discuss. Do you know what an allegory Is? How many times will I ask you to write out the text of Quran 27:18-19 and you refuse to state it? It seems you are hiding from exposing your lie yourself. Keep hiding and continue lying Proverbs 12:22: Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight. This will apply to writing isn't it? Exodus 20:16 (From the 10 Commandments) - You must not lie. Proverbs 6:12-13 - Let me describe for you a worthless and a wicked man; first, he is a constant liar; he signals his true intentions to his friends with eyes and feet and fingers. Proverbs 6:16-19 - For there are six things the Lord hates—no, seven: haughtiness, lying, murdering, plotting evil, eagerness to do wrong, a false witness, sowing discord among brothers. 2 Chronicles 2: He conscripted 70,000 men as carriers and 80,000 as stonecutters in the hills and 3,600 as foremen over them 2 Chronicles 18 He assigned 70,000 of them to be carriers and 80,000 to be stonecutters in the hills, with 3,600 foremen over them to keep the people working. 1 Kings 5: 14 He sent them off to Lebanon in shifts of ten thousand a month, so that they spent one month in Lebanon and two months at home. Adoniram was in charge of the forced labor. 15 Solomon had seventy thousand carriers and eighty thousand stonecutters in the hills, 16 as well as thirty-three hundred[3300] foremen who supervised the project and directed the workers. These verses are of your Bible aren't they? Which is correct 3300 or 3600 foremen? Is it not the same project? Whatever is built on falsehood cannot stand or yield the desired result. Enjoy your life and hopefully with less lies. |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 11:36pm On Jul 01, 2024 |
TenQ:Show by screenshot or exact web address the arabic tafsir. Prove your integrity to your brethren, friends and followers. |
| Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by TenQ(op): 9:27am On Jul 02, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Only a despicable liar hides under "the information is not available" But to show you that 1. All your Scholars agree that Solomon stood dead for a year, almost a year or a year plus, check the following screenshot as requested. 2. You will need to explain how Solomon's wives, subjects did not know that solomon was dead for a whole year https://www.ibnalarabi.com/quran/aya.php?id=3620 First by Ibn kathir
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