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Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 7:08pm On Jul 09, 2024
Michael547:
Ok....let's leave the research to the scientist then.
Yeah. The problem with creationism like the theists like christians, Muslims etc portray is that it has been found to be lies, and their books have been found to be wanting in several instances. So I can't believe them
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 7:08pm On Jul 09, 2024
Michael547:
Lol.....so what should happen to the views of the minority?
The minority that wants to harm people or the minority that love harm?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by budaatum: 7:09pm On Jul 09, 2024
Michael547:
Ok....let's leave the research to the scientist then.
You might. But that should not stop one from learning what scientists have discovered so one knows for oneself what is known.
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 7:09pm On Jul 09, 2024
budaatum:
There was no "first human". Humans evolved from humans that existed before them going back far longer than humans have been able to determine.

You might understand how complex this is better by asking "how did the first car appear".

A simple google would tell you Carl Benz January 29, 1886, but....
So you mean that the ancestor of a human is a human right? Not a unicellular organism as your fellow colleague on this thread as asserted.
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 7:10pm On Jul 09, 2024
jaephoenix:
Yeah. The problem with creationism like the theists like christians, Muslims etc portray is that it has been found to be lies, and their books have been found to be wanting in several instances. So I can't believe them
But you also said your claims have not been established.....it could also be a lie.
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 7:11pm On Jul 09, 2024
jaephoenix:
The minority that wants to harm people or the minority that love harm?
The minority that loves harm.
What law states that the views of the majority is the right view?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by budaatum: 7:11pm On Jul 09, 2024
Michael547:
So you mean that the ancestor of a human is a human right? Not a unicellular organism as your fellow colleague on this thread as asserted.
If you go further back to pre-human and the beginning of life itself, you will eventually get to "unicellular organism as your fellow colleague on this thread as asserted".
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 7:15pm On Jul 09, 2024
Michael547:
But you also said your claims have not been established.....it could also be a lie.
Part of my claims have been established as true. An example is evolution. How we evolved from the unicellular organism to apes is not certain. But we can prove how we evolved from the Great Ape. There are many evidences that back up evolution, from genetics, to anthropology , to anatomy etc
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 7:16pm On Jul 09, 2024
Michael547:
The minority that loves harm.
What law states that the views of the majority is the right view?
The minority that loves harm are termed masochistic and are psychiatric cases. Why should we take them into consideration?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 7:21pm On Jul 09, 2024
jaephoenix:
The minority that loves harm are termed masochistic and are psychiatric cases. Why should we take them into consideration?
Who gave them the term? Is it you or you read it in a governmental law?
Lol....so you mean soldiers who engage in wars and kill people are psychiatric patients?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Leemzyy(f): 7:23pm On Jul 09, 2024
Michael547:
Lol....so you mean soldiers who engage in wars and kill people are psychiatric patients?
Hhm this one pain me sha imagine so my hubby is also a psychatric patient ahh e pain me
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 7:24pm On Jul 09, 2024
jaephoenix:
Part of my claims have been established as true. An example is evolution. How we evolved from the unicellular organism to apes is not certain. But we can prove how we evolved from the Great Ape. There are many evidences that back up evolution, from genetics, to anthropology , to anatomy etc
How did we evolve from great apes.....where are the fossils that links us to them?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 7:24pm On Jul 09, 2024
Leemzyy:
Hhm this one pain me sha imagine so my hubby is also a psychatric patient ahh e pain me
Lol 😆
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 7:33pm On Jul 09, 2024
Michael547:
Who gave them the term? Is it you or you read it in a governmental law?
Lol....so you mean soldiers who engage in wars and kill people are psychiatric patients?
Masochists love harm. The term is self inherent, just like who gave food its name. I didn't give them the name, neither did the government.
Soldiers engage on wars to protect a country's sovereign and borders. Also they are mandated by their country's law to fight and protect themselves from being harmed by their enemies.
Please answer this question. Are masochists protecting anyone or country?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 7:36pm On Jul 09, 2024
Michael547:
How did we evolve from great apes.....where are the fossils that links us to them?
Google H.Erectus, and H.Habilis. I can't be spoonfeeding you.
Besides the fossils found all over the world back it up. Neantherthal fossils have been greatly researched and point to our link to them
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 7:48pm On Jul 09, 2024
jaephoenix:
Masochists love harm. The term is self inherent, just like who gave food its name. I didn't give them the name, neither did the government.
Soldiers engage on wars to protect a country's sovereign and borders. Also they are mandated by their country's law to fight and protect themselves from being harmed by their enemies.
Please answer this question. Are masochists protecting anyone or country?
Lol....so nobody gave them the term...it just appeared from the sky?
So who determines that a masochist is wrong and a soldier is right?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 7:49pm On Jul 09, 2024
jaephoenix:
Google H.Erectus, and H.Habilis. I can't be spoonfeeding you.
Besides the fossils found all over the world back it up. Neantherthal fossils have been greatly researched and point to our link to them
So are you saying that humans evolved directly from these fossils or there are still transitional links?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 7:53pm On Jul 09, 2024
Michael547:
Lol....so nobody gave them the term...it just appeared from the sky?
So who determines that a masochist is wrong and a soldier is right?
Who gave food the name food? Please you MUST answer this question before we continue. Thank you
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 8:08pm On Jul 09, 2024
jaephoenix:
Who gave food the name food? Please you MUST answer this question before we continue. Thank you
I don't know.....so how did the word come about?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 1:29am On Jul 10, 2024
Michael547:
I don't know.....so how did the word come about?
Exactly. I don't know how the name sadomasochist came about. And from what I learned, it wasn't a group of people or government. Just like the term food wasn't named by some group of people or the government.
Savvy?!
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:50am On Jul 10, 2024
Michael547:
So explain afterlife
If you can read posts here then you can do your own reading and research.
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 8:07am On Jul 10, 2024
jaephoenix:
Exactly. I don't know how the name sadomasochist came about. And from what I learned, it wasn't a group of people or government. Just like the term food wasn't named by some group of people or the government.
Savvy?!
So since you don't know, how did you come to the conclusion that nobody came about that word?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 12:52pm On Jul 10, 2024
Dtruthspeaker:
If you can read posts here then you can do your own reading and research.
Research where
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 12:53pm On Jul 10, 2024
Michael547:
So since you don't know, how did you come to the conclusion that nobody came about that word?
I don't understand what you mean
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 12:55pm On Jul 10, 2024
Michael547:
So are you saying that humans evolved directly from these fossils or there are still transitional links?
There are transitions. Evolution takes years. Lots of years.
Are you even aware humans have tail bone and as fetuses we actually had tails?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Michael547(m): 1:33pm On Jul 10, 2024
jaephoenix:
There are transitions. Evolution takes years. Lots of years.
Are you even aware humans have tail bone and as fetuses we actually had tails?
Where are the transitions?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Everyday247: 1:54pm On Jul 10, 2024
Ken4Christ:
You don't get my point. If you know that committing suicide is not the end of life, that there is a life after death with the possibility of ending up in a burning flame, you will refrain from it.

Most people do it because of ignorance and also because of wrong knowledge they have acquired through the years about what death really means. If you take my admonition as a threat, it also means that you are accusing Jesus of doing the same because he spoke of hell or eternal damnation more than any in the Bible. He even cursed some nations into hell.
You do not understand what I'm saying.
Your approach to suicide is naive, do you think people who engage in such acts do so light-heartedly? All animals are naturally hardwired towards self preservation. For someone to consider taking their life, it would take a very dire or traumatic situation or event.
Sha I don't blame you, it's because you have never hit rock bottom before that's why you think like this.
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 3:18pm On Jul 10, 2024
Michael547:
Where are the transitions?
Transitions means changes in the morphology of the anatomy and genetics. The changes can be in form of shortening of tail etc
All these are captured in human anthropological studies
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 3:20pm On Jul 10, 2024
Ken4Christ:
You don't get my point. If you know that committing suicide is not the end of life, that there is a life after death with the possibility of ending up in a burning flame, you will refrain from it.

Most people do it because of ignorance and also because of wrong knowledge they have acquired through the years about what death really means. If you take my admonition as a threat, it also means that you are accusing Jesus of doing the same because he spoke of hell or eternal damnation more than any in the Bible. He even cursed some nations into hell.
Christianity has dulled your brain. Are you aware Christians, even pastors have committed suicide. You think they didn't know suicide is a sin and leads to your hell?
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:48pm On Jul 10, 2024
Everyday247:
You do not understand what I'm saying.
Your approach to suicide is naive, do you think people who engage in such acts do so light-heartedly? All animals are naturally hardwired towards self preservation. For someone to consider taking their life, it would take a very dire or traumatic situation or event.
Sha I don't blame you, it's because you have never hit rock bottom before that's why you think like this.
People committing suicide have come to a hard and most difficult conclusion any living creature could think of so it's not their fault.

But then if such ones has taken in good food spiritually speaking suicide wouldn't have been their last choice in life.

What do i mean by good spiritual food?

Try to visualize a time when you will sit down with people like Abel (Adam's second son) Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job, Moses, Joshua, Samson, Gideon, Deborah, Ruth, Samuel, David, Solomon, Josiah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, Nehemiah, Ezra, Zechariah, Hezekiah, Amos, Malachi and John the baptist hearing from them how they survived the wicked system they all went through and finally you are right there in their midst also narrating your own experience in your own generation.

Remember that most of them never knew one another by face all they heard was how each of them stood firm in their own time.

And suddenly someone stood up to say:

"i didn't live to see what really happened back then because i chickened out by taking my own life"

Well that is exactly what will happen after this system of things has been wrapped off and resurrection takes place. John 5:28-29

Also note that it's going to be the resurrection of those who served God faithfully and those who don't know God's righteousness but only lived by conscience! Act 24:15

All those who chose to be wicked will not be remembered that day! Psalms 9:17

Now this is where i'm going, Jesus revealed a lot about the things that will take place during the endtime {Matthew 24:3-14} he commanded his disciples to continue teaching these things from generation to generation {Matthew 28:19-20} Jesus said at a time his real teachings will be lost on planet earth {Luke 18:8 compare to Amos 8:11} but in the time of the end a faithful and discreet slave will appear to restore this GOOD NEWS of a bright future {Matthew 24:45} this faithful slave will gather subjects throughout the earth in preparation for the return of our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus. These are the ones who will be going from house to house sharing the GOOD NEWS about God's Kingdom in the endtime {Romans 10:13-15} your attitude towards them will determine the type of person you are inside because Jesus and his angels are working with them {Revelations 14:6-7} they have a pen in their hands to write the names of those who attended to them and spend time with them studying the Bible {Malachi 3:16 compare to Ezekiel 9:2,3,10,11} for your information that's how your name will be written in the book of life! Revelations 20:15

So back to those who committed suicide!
Their judgement will be determined by Jesus who is going about now with his angels and human representatives {Act 1:8} if you've not seen nor have any opportunity to discuss with them your suicidal attempt will be taken as one who got fed up with the wicked system of things and you chose not to join them in their evil means of acquiring wealth {Psalms 37:7-11} but if you have noticed them seeing the rich, the average and poor ones all joyfully doing this endtime work i'm afraid of what Jesus may conclude about you! Matthew 10:14-15

So if you find them today and start studying God's word with them in anticipation of knowing what the future holds for obedient mankind let me congratulate you in advance by saying "See you when all these badness are no more in Paradise" Luke 23:43 smiley
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by Ken4Christ(op): 4:05pm On Jul 10, 2024
jaephoenix:
Christianity has dulled your brain. Are you aware Christians, even pastors have committed suicide. You think they didn't know suicide is a sin and leads to your hell?
Not all Pastor are genuinely called. And some of them don't even know the Christ they preach. This is why our Lord Jesus warned us to beware of false prophets. So, using them as an example doesn't hold water.
Re: The Afterlife- Fact Or Fallacy? by jaephoenix(m): 4:27pm On Jul 10, 2024
Ken4Christ:
Not all Pastor are genuinely called. And some of them don't even know the Christ they preach. This is why our Lord Jesus warned us to beware of false prophets. So, using them as an example doesn't hold water.
Yeah. I should have guessed you would commit another fallacy. This time a No True Scotsman.
By the way, we are talking about knowledge. Those pastors KNEW about the sin of suicide.They also knew about the consequences. Whether they were called or rang, is irrelevant
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