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chatinent:
John 1:1: in the beginning was the world, and the world was with God and the same word was God? Sth that was with sth later became that thing.


Una confuse sha. Translators go whine you but no panic ..I got you.


Even Jesus said he is not God here: John 14:28.

you are the confuse one, where did it say the word came to be with God later?
John is telling you in the beginning before creation began the was present, the word was with God and the Word was God.
John literally said everything created was created through Jesus meaning he is God.
Where in John 14 :28 tell Jesus isn't God?
Just say you are confused.

chatinent:
You mean it makes sense because it was interpreted to you that way?

interpreted by whom?

chatinent:
They weren't Christians. Moses and co were under mosaic law. And the law is different from the Christian law.

Now you have shifted post from christianity to Mosaic Law.

Whereas, the spirit of Christianity is Loving and obeying God, exactly what Abel, Noah, Moses Job, Daniel, John, etc did.

And when you say The Law is different, did you not hear Christ Said Keep The Law?

"but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. " Mathew 19:17

Steep:
you are the confuse one, where did it say the word came to be with God later?
John is telling you in the beginning before creation began the word was with God and the Word was God.
John literally said everything created was created through Jesus meaning he is God.
Where in John 14 :28 tell Jesus isn't God?
Just say you are confused.

So you didn't see the "with" in your statement?

Secondly, creation through Jesus Christ didn't mean Jesus was God. It can also mean Jesus accompanied his father to create things. Shebi Bible say he was the firstborn of all creation? (Colossians 1:15, 18). If he was the first creation made by God, tor, he was there in the beginning and John's verse in 1v1 makes more sense.

Even Hebrews 1:6; 12:23 and the cited scriptures above clearly explained that Jesus was created.

My question to you: was God created?

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you have shifted post from christianity to Mosaic Law.

Whereas, the spirit of Christianity is Loving and obeying God, exactly what Abel, Noah, Moses Job, Daniel, John, etc did.

And when you say The Law is different, did you not hear Christ Said Keep The Law?

"but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. " Mathew 19:17

Was Adam a Christian?

chatinent:
Was Adam a Christian?

Why are you setting me up for damnation and destruction?

Did you not see those who found the pleasure of God whom we call Chtistians eg Abel, Noah, Moses, Aaron, Joshua Job, David, Daniel, John, Paul, Peter etc

Dtruthspeaker:
Why are you setting me up for damnation and destruction?

Did you not see those who found the pleasure of God whom we call Chtistians eg Abel, Noah, Moses, Aaron, Joshua Job, David, Daniel, John, Paul, Peter etc

Lol

chatinent:
So you didn't see the "with" in your statement?

Secondly, creation through Jesus Christ didn't means Jesus is God. It can also mean Jesus accompanied his father to create things. Shebi Bible say he was the firstborn of all creation? (Colossians 1:15, 18). If he was the first creation, tor, he was there in the beginning and John's verse in 1v1 makes more sense.

Even Hebrews 1:6; 12:23 and the cited scriptures above clearly explained that Jesus was created.

My question to you: was God created?

Why are you jumping up and down?
Yes creation by Jesus mean he is God.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Col
Furthermore, John 1 said without Jesus nothing that was made would be made.

Col 1 : 17 said he is before all things Furthermore, first born does not mean first created, it means he is preferred over all creation.
And lastly were did he say God or the word was created?

Steep:
The word is not there but scripture literally teaches God is more than one person.
Eg Gen 1 vv 26

If you can't find the word TRINITY in any verse of the Bible then your argument should be on the bench since your Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures!

MaxInDHouse:
If you can't find the word TRINITY in any verse of the Bible then your argument should be on the bench since your Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures!

So can you also show me the Word bible in the bible?

Steep:
Jesus is God.
Christians are followers of God, we are not just followers but also sons of God. Enoch, samson, David were all followers of God just as Christians now, the only difference is that the God whom they followed took on human form and his name became Jesus.

how is jesus GOD

Verbtips:
how is jesus GOD

scripture says so.

Steep:
So can you also show me the Word bible in the bible?

It's you people that gave the book that name nah, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES call our own version:
"New World Translation Of The Holy Scriptures"
So go and ask your pastors why they are calling the book Bible not me!

I like as these idiots dey quarrel amongst themselves.😜😜😜
Jesus is God, Jesus is not God. Very confused people.

MaxInDHouse:
It's you people that gave the book that name nah, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES call our own version:
"New World Translation Of The Holy Scriptures"
So go and ask your pastors why they are calling the book Bible not me!

what is this in the pix below

Steep:
what is this in the pix below

For people like you to know what we are saying nah of course you will also see Trinity written in our books it doesn't mean we agree with you people but to help the readers to know what we are talking about.
Our version is named the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION that's the point!

FRANCISTOWN:
I like as these idiots dey quarrel amongst themselves.😜😜😜
Jesus is God, Jesus is not God. Very confused people.

Have you ever been to a place where atheists meet together before?
Ọmọ nà thug of war as your founding fathers will never ever agree on anything except what brought them together: There is no God.
Apart from that there is nothing to agree upon so no way forward since there will never be an agreement between at least just two atheist.
But in this case millions of Bible Scholars have agreed on what the Bible teaches and they have settled all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop the production, buying, selling and using of weapons then vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
That atheism can never ever achieve not even on single achievement among atheist except arguments arguments arguments! Titus 3:9

chatinent:
So you didn't see the "with" in your statement?

Secondly, creation through Jesus Christ didn't mean Jesus was God. It can also mean Jesus accompanied his father to create things. Shebi Bible say he was the firstborn of all creation? (Colossians 1:15, 18). If he was the first creation made by God, tor, he was there in the beginning and John's verse in 1v1 makes more sense.

Even Hebrews 1:6; 12:23 and the cited scriptures above clearly explained that Jesus was created.

My question to you: was God created?

Jesus is the son of God. Funnily, I was able to understand Christianity the more through the lens of Yoruba religion, considering the similarities of it and also, Ela born of a virgin woman was also sent to the Yoruba.

Anyways, Ela who is Omoloju Olodumare is the visible manifestation of the supreme creator 'Oluwa Olorun Olodumare' who's a spirit according to Ifa. What's Ela in Yoruba? Ela means a lot ranging from Light, Purity, Clarity, Word, intelligence etc. Basically, Olodumare (ìyè) is a spirit and the visible manifestation of himself is Ela (Omoloju Olodumare). Ela was not created but begotten according to Ifa. Ifa also infer Ela as Jewesun.

While in the bible, Jesus was also severally referred as the Lord (Ela).

Dsimmer:
Jesus was not created though. He was begotten. Funnily, I was able to understand Christianity the more through the lens of Yoruba religion, considering the similarities of it and Ela born of a virgin woman was also sent to the Yoruba.

Anyways, Ela who is Omoloju Olodumare is the visible manifestation of the supreme creator 'Oluwa Olorun Olodumare' who's a spirit according to Ifa. What's Ela in Yoruba? Ela means a lot ranging from Light, Purity, Clarity, Word, intelligence etc. Basically, Olodumare (ìyè) is a spirit and the visible manifestation of himself is Ela (Omoloju Olodumare). Ela was not created but begotten. Ifa also infer Ela as Jewesun.

While in the bible, Jesus was also severally referred as the Lord (Ela).

Ọmọ Jesus don enter Ifá o!

Come and see one chance.

Over to the Churchians as Odùtọ́lá Ọpẹ́ifá has come to support your Trinity using ifá as proof!

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MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Jesus don enter Ifá o!

Come and see one chance.

Over to the Churchians as Odùtọ́lá Ọpẹ́ifá has come to support your Trinity using ifá as proof!

Yes, it's Yoruba Ifa. So you don't know Yoruba was sent a messiah, Ela Omoloju Olodumare born of a virgin woman named Oyigi? Ela took over the Orunmila role for a while before his death but resurrected and ascended.

Ifa also infers Ela as Jewesun in Ifa because Ifa says Jewesun is the begotten child of Olodumare, just like Ela is also the begotten child of Olodumare but since Ifa says Olodumare has only one begotten child, then it means Ela is same as Jewesun. That is, Jewesun=Ela (A=X).

I have discussed it previously below

Dsimmer:
John 1 :1-5.

"In the beginning, there was the word who was with God and also God. And the word which is light became flesh and dwelled among us"

Thus Ela became flesh. That's why the Europeans say Jesus is Lord.

Meanwhile, Yoruba Ifa also infer that Jewesun is Ela because Ifa says Jewesun is the begotten child of Olodumare and since Ifa says Olodumare has only one begotten child, then it means Jewesun is the same as Ela. Jewesun = Ela. Yoruba practising Christianity would say "Jesu ni Oluwa".

Funnily, the Yoruba Ifa practisioner have always been using Ela side by side with Eshu/Esu before the Missionaries came. What does Eshu represents? Eshu is an Orisha which represent two cross roads which is our decision making whether good (Iye) or bad (Iku). Let's not forget that all the Orishas are attributes of Olodumare📌 Eshu also represent law📌, apart from the two crossroads.

Now Ifa says Jewesun who's the lamb
and the begotten child of Olodumare came to the world and offered lamb sacrifice with red cloth & white cloth but refused to offer sacrifice to Eshu. As a matter of fact, Ifa always speak in parables thus expect us to use our intelligence to decode the deep meaning of it. However, let's take a look at both the literal and the deep meaning of it since some Yoruba had been taking the ebo literally when the Ebo are rather creative symbolism, agriculture or animal husbandry (ranches). So In the literal sense of it, Jewesun abolished ebo sacrifices and sacrificed himself to redeem the world considering the fact that Ifa states that Jewesun is the lamb, then it meant Jewesun offered himself and resurrected to redeem the world thereby abolishing all form of sacrifices. Therefore, all ebo sacrifices have been abolished in the literal sense of it📌

However, the symbolic meaning of it also represent redemption because the lamb represent redemption and humility. The red cloth represent redemption and justice) while the white cloth represent purity/righteousness and intelligence. All these are attributes of Ela (Omoloju Olodumare) of the Yoruba which is equivalent to Jesus of the Jews📌 As for Eshu symbolism in the parable, we already know Eshu represent law however we all know Jesus didn't come to enforce the law or destroy the world when he came but to have mercy, even when he had the power to enforce. Apart from the law, Eshu also represent two crossroads which is ìyè (Good) and Iku (Wrong ) but Jesus chose Ìyè. Thus Ye-Eshu. Ìyè in Yoruba means "Exist" or "Alive"💥

So Jesus picked "Iye" thus, "Ye-Eshu" Hence, Jewesun which is stated in Ifa. Let's also note that Yoruba sometimes use J for Y. For example, "It shall be" in Yoruba is "Yoowa" or "Ye ki o wa" however, it's also pronounced as "Je ki o wa". So, "Ye ewe sun" is "Je ewe sun" which translate into "let the leaf sleep" which means serenity and tranquility. As a matter of fact, Ifa infers Ela as Jewesun, thus Ela =Jewesun📌 Hence, "Jesus is Lord". Personally, I believe Ela (Jewesun) coming to the world was to redeem the world by destroying the ajogun power.

The point is Olodumare is a spirit whose visible manifestation is his only begotten child (Ela = Jewesun) who was revealed to the world through the Yoruba and the Jews. Ela (Omoloju Olodumare) came to the Yoruba (Omoluabi) while Jesus came to the Jews. Hence, Jesus is Lord.

That said, what Olodumare expect from humans apart from integrity/righteousness is also making use of their intelligent creativity to make their society better and innovative, just like his visible manifestation had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world.

Dsimmer:
Yes, it's Yoruba Ifa. So you don't know Yoruba was sent a messiah

Guy go ahead and tell your family in your faith jàre mẹ i'm not interested in your ifá and whatever it has to tell you!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy go ahead and tell your family in your faith jàre mẹ i'm not interested in your ifá and whatever it has to tell you!

Ifa is Yoruba culture. Ifa is not only about the belief aspect which is centred around Olodumare btw but also, it entails scientific knowledge, creativity, technology etc.

Even before others knew about iron in the blood or about DNA, Yoruba ancestors already knew all these. Ogun which represent iron is in the blood as stated by Ifa. Remember Ogun bathes in blood as stated by Ifa who always speak in parables? And yes, Ogun which is iron is found in the blood. The ebo are also intellectual symbolism either to depict the personality of the Orisha or to depict scientific knowledge, creativity, agriculture/nutrition... For example, the dog represent intelligence, bravery and agility which are what Ogun represent.

As a matter of fact, the Orishas are the attributes of Olodumare which formed the universe, formed the human body and also the intelligent creative talents embedded within humans needing to be birthed into technical realities to develop their society and make it better just as several Yoruba ancestors had done by displaying the embedded intelligent creative talents within them 📌

Dsimmer:
Jesus is the son of God. Funnily, I was able to understand Christianity the more through the lens of Yoruba religion, considering the similarities of it and also, Ela born of a virgin woman was also sent to the Yoruba.

Anyways, Ela who is Omoloju Olodumare is the visible manifestation of the supreme creator 'Oluwa Olorun Olodumare' who's a spirit according to Ifa. What's Ela in Yoruba? Ela means a lot ranging from Light, Purity, Clarity, Word, intelligence etc. Basically, Olodumare (ìyè) is a spirit and the visible manifestation of himself is Ela (Omoloju Olodumare). Ela was not created but begotten according to Ifa. Ifa also infer Ela as Jewesun.

While in the bible, Jesus was also severally referred as the Lord (Ela).

Yoruba's ancestry is yoruba's ancestry. It has nothing to do with what I wrote. Thank you.

chatinent:
Yoruba's ancestry is yoruba's ancestry. It has nothing to do with what I wrote. Thank you.

Yes, Yoruba is Yoruba ancestry hence why I'm talking about the Messiah born of a virgin woman sent to the Yoruba. Ela who's Omoloju Olodumare is the visible manifestation of Olodumare who is a spirit.

MaxInDHouse:
For people like you to know what we are saying nah of course you will also see Trinity written in our books it doesn't mean we agree with you people but to help the readers to know what we are talking about.
Our version is named the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION that's the point!

So you are saying your organization is deceiving people? Like the serpent in Eden

Dsimmer:
Ifa is Yoruba culture. Ifa is not only about the belief aspect which is centred around Olodumare btw but also, it entails scientific knowledge, creativity, technology etc.

Even before others knew about iron in the blood or about DNA, Yoruba ancestors already knew all these. Ogun which represent iron is in the blood as stated by Ifa. Remember Ogun bathes in blood as stated by Ifa who always speak in parables? And yes, Ogun which is iron is found in the blood. The ebo are also intellectual symbolism either to depict the personality of the Orisha or to depict scientific knowledge, creativity, agriculture/nutrition... For example, the dog represent intelligence, bravery and agility which are what Ogun represent.

As a matter of fact, the Orishas are the attributes of Olodumare which formed the universe, formed the human body and also the intelligent creative talents embedded within humans needing to be birthed into technical realities to develop their society and make it better just as several Yoruba ancestors had done by displaying the embedded intelligent creative talents within them 📌

Thanks for your time!

Steep:
So you are saying your organization is deceiving people? Like the serpent in Eden

What name do you expect people outside who have been taught that the Christian religious book is called "Bible" to see in our publication before they can relate?

Dsimmer:
Yes, Yoruba is Yoruba ancestry hence why I'm talking about the Messiah born of a virgin woman sent to the Yoruba. Ela who's Omoloju Olodumare is the visible manifestation of Olodumare who is a spirit.

Ok

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for your time!

Ifa which is part of Yoruba culture is valuable. It's all about civilization, intelligence, creativity, scientific knowledge.

The only problem is those unenlightened folks who misinterpret the ebo. The ebo are rather educative symbolism thus shouldn't be taken literally. Personally, I wouldn't have had problem with the ignorant people misinterpreting the ebo if not for those useless people killing human for sacrifice while forgetting the fact Ifa hates Human sacrifices to begin with. In addition, Ifa always says all the Orishas live within us. So why would any useless fool offer a human as a sacrifice? Ori is an Orisha for example, so why would any fool offer Ori as a sacrifice? Yet such useless fool think Ifa accept such harmful evil stupidity? Although I know Ifa people don't make human sacrifice. it's actually some useless people that do such useless acts.

Basically, Ifa is all about civilization, intelligent creative inventions, medicinal plants, agriculture..

Dsimmer:
Ifa is valuable in Yoruba culture. It's all about civilization, intelligence, creativity, scientific knowledge.

The only problem is those unenlightened folks who misinterprete the ebo which are rather educative symbolism. Personally, I wouldn't have had problem with the ignorant people misinterpreting the ebo if not for those useless people killing human for sacrifice while forgetting the fact Ifa hates Human sacrifices to begin with. In addition, Ifa always says all the Orishas live within us. So why would any useless fool sacrifice a Human? Ori is an Orisha for example, so why would any fool offer Ori as a sacrifice? Yet such useless fool think Ifa accept such harmful evil stupidity? Although I know Ifa people don't make human sacrifice. it's actually some useless people parading themselves that do such useless acts.

Basically, Ifa is all about civilization, intelligent creative inventions, medicinal plants, agriculture..

It's like you've eaten too much this morning but it's OK, ọmọ stop this nonsense i'm not interested in all this rubbish!