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Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by abc115: 9:45pm On Jul 12, 2024
Melagros:
COMRADES, I don't think Nigerian governors will obey this order, they will definitely come up with a strategy to continue with the old tactics

Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Kukutenla: 9:52pm On Jul 12, 2024
Kobojunkie:
1. You claimed this ruling deleted the account, an idea that directly contravenes the Constitution which instead insists the account in question — the State Joint Local Government account — must be maintained by the State.
2. I would rather you focus first and foremost on what the Constitution in fact says on this issue to understand how these Governors are merely trying to deceive you a lot with the same old nonsense. undecided

The only burdens I see placed on the Governors by Section 162 of the Constitution are
Section 162(6) - Maintainance of a special account to be called "State Joint Local Government Account" into which shall be paid all allocations to the Local Government Councils of the State from the Federation Account and the Government of the State.
Section 162(7) - Payment to Local Government Councils in its area of jurisdiction such proportion of its total revenue on such terms and in such manner as may be prescribed by the National Assembly.

So, exactly which of the above "burdens" is your NGF chair telling you has been lifted off of him and his colleagues? The Supreme Court did not strike out any of the above sections, so what exactly does he mean? You would need to get that detail from him. undecided

3. Please consider taking your very same advice here before you continue abeg! undecided
You answered the question yourself!!
The SC summarily deleted 162(6) of the Constitution. Thus, the gov are under no obligation to obey it. Give the LGs their measly 22% while the states pocket the igr. It's a simple stuff
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Kobojunkie: 10:02pm On Jul 12, 2024
Kukutenla:
You answered the question yourself!!
The SC summarily deleted 162(6) of the Constitution. Thus, the gov are under no obligation to obey it. Give the LGs their measly 22% while the states pocket the igr. It's a simple stuff
For the umpteenth time, the Supreme Court which instead reasserted the Constitution DID NOT do any of what you claim. The job of the Supreme Court is to UPHOLD the Constitution, not rewrite it or throw out any part of it that does not agree with its opinion. undecided

Section 162(6) of the Constitution remains intact and should not be Deleted by the Supreme Court. sad
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by themanderon: 10:02pm On Jul 12, 2024
Look at these shameless ones. Who are they deceiving? The thing pain dem no be small.
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by patrickmuf(m): 10:13pm On Jul 12, 2024
Okoroawusa:
That was funny but it's sad. No matter how anyone looks at the war between Wike and Fubara one fact stands out and that's the fact that without Wike Fubara wouldn't have been a governor. Wike got a lot of enemies within his camp because he insisted on Fubara and you need to see how Fubara was so humble then. This life sef
It is sad but it is what it is, they'll always be betrayals.
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by eliwa47(m): 10:13pm On Jul 12, 2024
Na big lie! He dey pain them o grin
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by talkreal: 10:16pm On Jul 12, 2024
Kukutenla:
I hope all those blind fools are reading now
Most Nigerians are sentimental and intellectually fickle. They lack the ability of mental rigor. They just jump on bandwagon without independent and critical thinking.
The govs that they all claimed are the biggest casualties are now rejoicing more than them.
When I said the LGs will be cut off from the IGR of states they were insulting me. Where's that neophyte loswhite now.

Look at mugus all around the thread. They are helping the govs to cry. Most of them are now confused and consoling themselves with lies and blissful ignorance. One dude even claimed the governors took fg to court. Others said they "contested" it. Oh Nigerians, when will your mumu do.
The workers at the local Government level may bear the brunt of this SC decision eg: primary school teachers, primary health care workers and other staffs at the primary level. Also local Government chairmen ought to be involved this joint minimum wage negotiations since they are fully autonomous now
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by frankson1(m): 10:19pm On Jul 12, 2024
Melagros:
COMRADES, I don't think Nigerian governors will obey this order, they will definitely come up with a strategy to continue with the old tactics
The funds is going directly to the LGs account.
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by frankson1(m): 10:23pm On Jul 12, 2024
Hemanwel:
This is purely reverse psychology from the governors. They are the biggest losers as far as this judgement is concerned. Telling us that the judgement will relieve the burden on them is a pure, fat lie!
cheesy :DThey've realised that they can't subdue PBAT the way they did to Buhari.

Pained modadokers cheesy
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Cmanforall: 10:27pm On Jul 12, 2024
Melagros:
COMRADES, I don't think Nigerian governors will obey this order, they will definitely come up with a strategy to continue with the old tactics
It's just to rig in their candidate (whom they would have appointed as caretaker) as LGA chairman, the cycle continues

State electoral commissions should be truly independent
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Melagros(m): 10:29pm On Jul 12, 2024
Cmanforall:
It's just to rig in their candidate (whom they would have appointed as caretaker) as LGA chairman, the cycle continues

State electoral commissions should be truly independent
You truly understood what I mean
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by budaatum:
“But by and large, governors are happy with the devolution of power in respect to local government autonomy. It relieves the burden on governors. Our people really don’t know how much states spend in bailing out local governments, and that’s the issue there.”
The person who said the above does not know state money will reduce to increase local government money.

I so love democracy grin
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by loswhite(m): 10:51pm On Jul 12, 2024
Kukutenla:
I hope all those blind fools are reading now
Most Nigerians are sentimental and intellectually fickle. They lack the ability of mental rigor. They just jump on bandwagon without independent and critical thinking.
The govs that they all claimed are the biggest casualties are now rejoicing more than them.
When I said the LGs will be cut off from the IGR of states they were insulting me. Where's that neophyte loswhite now.

Look at mugus all around the thread. They are helping the govs to cry. Most of them are now confused and consoling themselves with lies and blissful ignorance. One dude even claimed the governors took fg to court. Others said they "contested" it. Oh Nigerians, when will your mumu do.
The internet allows dunce like to think you are an expert…lol. Where is the internal revenue generated from? Is it not from the local Government? Why would the Governors cut local government from where the revenue is generated? If you have such foolish Governors and yet you are clamoring for resource control for such idiots…lol are you not displaying that you are bigger dunce? It is normal for a mad man to think the others wearing clothes are mad
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by onome2013: 10:53pm On Jul 12, 2024
I know the Governors are only pretending because is a big blow for them
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by ufotunang: 11:30pm On Jul 12, 2024
Liars...the local government allocation money in which they the governors will divert some of the money to their personal account ...pretenders
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by ufotunang: 11:31pm On Jul 12, 2024
It has relieved you of the burden but you were contesting it against the federal government in court .. hyprocites
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Konquest: 12:13am On Jul 13, 2024
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Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Kukutenla: 1:20am On Jul 13, 2024
loswhite:
The internet allows dunce like to think you are an expert…lol. Where is the internal revenue generated from? Is it not from the local Government? Why would the Governors cut local government from where the revenue is generated? If you have such foolish Governors and yet you are clamoring for resource control for such idiots…lol are you not displaying that you are bigger dunce? It is normal for a mad man to think the others wearing clothes are mad
Shut up foòl
All your grammar is for nothing
The governors are now telling you they are happy with the judgement
You can see all around on this thread how people like you are confused at how the govs can be happy at something they thought was against them. That shows you they are planning to battle illegality with illegality of you have an atom of brain in your obtuse head. Or do you have any other explanation for their happiness? Lemme guess. Like others, you also think they are forming happiness abi? Dullard
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Kukutenla: 1:23am On Jul 13, 2024
Kobojunkie:
For the umpteenth time, the Supreme Court which instead reasserted the Constitution DID NOT do any of what you claim. The job of the Supreme Court is to UPHOLD the Constitution, not rewrite it or throw out any part of it that does not agree with its opinion. undecided

Section 162(6) of the Constitution remains intact and should not be Deleted by the Supreme Court. sad
Well, that's how it is. If the FG transfers LG funds directly to them, 162(6) is as dead as a dodo
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Kukutenla: 1:34am On Jul 13, 2024
talkreal:
The workers at the local Government level may bear the brunt of this SC decision eg: primary school teachers, primary health care workers and other staffs at the primary level. Also local Government chairmen ought to be involved this joint minimum wage negotiations since they are fully autonomous now
Of course that's how it is. The LGs will be expected to do more with little which is what the states were facing. Most people are not aware of what the state joint account actually contain. They are only fixated on the allocation from FG which is only 20% divided among 774LGs. They don't realise that state IGR also forms part of what is shared from the SLJCA. That's the wisdom behind making it a pool account like the constitution did in 162(6). What about derivation? What about ecological funds? LGs will automatically be exempted from them now. Who is going to sue the states to court over the rest of the funds? Is it the FG that have no business with it? While the govs have behaved like emperors in the administration of SLJCA, this judgement gives them a leeway to become shylock about it which is why you don't see any of them complaining.
But most Nigerian youths don't even read to understand issues. They just jump on the bandwagon. Now see the annoying thing going on this thread. They are helping the governors to decide if they are happy or not.
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Kobojunkie: 1:41am On Jul 13, 2024
Kukutenla:
■ Well, that's how it is. If the FG transfers LG funds directly to them, 162(6) is as dead as a dodo
Actually, you mean instead that subsections 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 of section 162 are all dead. undecided
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by talkreal:
Kukutenla:
Of course that's how it is. The LGs will be expected to do more with little which is what the states were facing. Most people are not aware of what the state joint account actually contain. They are only fixated on the allocation from FG which is only 20% divided among 774LGs. They don't realise that state IGR also forms part of what is shared from the SLJCA. That's the wisdom behind making it a pool account like the constitution did in 162(6). What about derivation? What about ecological funds? LGs will automatically be exempted from them now. Who is going to sue the states to court over the rest of the funds? Is it the FG that have no business with it? While the govs have behaved like emperors in the administration of SLJCA, this judgement gives them a leeway to become shylock about it which is why you don't see any of them complaining.
But most Nigerian youths don't even read to understand issues. They just jump on the bandwagon. Now see the annoying thing going on this thread. They are helping the governors to decide if they are happy or not.
Personally I don't like the way governors choked the local governments but the Nigerian system and it's constitution is more complex than you think. Before this SC judgment what Nigeria was practicing was a quisi three tier system but in reality a two tier system. The local Government more closer to the people so ordinary it ought to have more functions and more funds than the other two tier if the government is actually about the people.
If you removed the local governments functions from those of the states the states functions becomes very little. Come to think of it in many urban LGA you may have about one or two secondary healthcare system and many primary healthcare system same goes for secondary and primary school too. Infact in my state of residence primary school education and primary healthcare system are completely free as declared by the state government. With this judgment I fear it may not be so anymore the LGA s may need to introduce fees for them to run it effectively.

Another area, where I have fear is the quality of those that occupies the executive position of the chairmen in most cases these are thugs or ageroes who are handpicked by the Governors through flaw election (selection) because these ones help them to control thugs at their various local areas for the sake of elections.
If the LGA should be fully autonomous, the councilors should be allowed to act fully as a legislative arm in order to act as check to the chairmen rather the states legislators controlled by the Governors supervising the affairs of the local Governments. Para venture there is tuff LGA chairman who my not want to bend to the Governor, it will be more of conflict than solution . If the local Government should functions properly,the State Governments will have very lean functions because much of the revenues collected by State Governments are ment for local Governments apart from p.a.y.e.

I fully support full autonomy for local Governments but the residual list of the constitution should be more enriched in order
to clarify the clear cut functions of both the states and the local governments, like that of the federal and state's, there should be proper elections at the various Local Governments level .

I don't think it make more sense for the president (federal government) to withhold defaulting state LGA allocations completely, what will happen to the workers at the local governments level? Again it will make the president to be more powerful.
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Kobojunkie: 4:40am On Jul 13, 2024
talkreal:
∆ I fully support full autonomy for local Governments but the residual list of the constitution should be more enriched in order clarify clear cut functions both the states and the local governments like that of the federal and state's, there should be proper elections at the various Local Governments level .
∆ I don't think it make more sense for the president (federal government) to withhold defaulting state LGA allocations completely, what will happen to the workers at the local governments level? Again it make the president to be more powerful.
What exactly is full autonomy in the Nigerian case? According to the Constitution, the States are under the Federal. Does full autonomy in that case mean that the States should be considered to exist at the same level as the Federal in terms of power and authority? lipsrsealed

2. No tier of government has right or authority to withhold allocations from any other tier. It is actually unconstitutional for allocations to be withheld in any case. undecided
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by HRMK: 5:28am On Jul 13, 2024
WHITE LIES!
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Kukutenla: 5:56am On Jul 13, 2024
Kobojunkie:
Actually, you mean instead that subsections 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 of section 162 are all dead. undecided
Exactly
That's what SC did
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by IamtheTruth1(m): 6:12am On Jul 13, 2024
Melagros:
COMRADES, I don't think Nigerian governors will obey this order, they will definitely come up with a strategy to continue with the old tactics
I was discussing this same angle to my colleagues at work. I was like whom does the Accountant General of the state report to?
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Sheriman(m): 6:20am On Jul 13, 2024
Fucking liars they are not happy at all
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by sukar886: 11:38am On Jul 13, 2024
Story for the gods
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Zooposki(f): 12:38pm On Jul 13, 2024
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by Kobojunkie: 12:44pm On Jul 13, 2024
Zooposki:
∆ State Joint Local Government Account just probably means all the sum of money of all the LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTS in that particular state and not necessarily the state and LGA monies/accounts joined together.
That is exactly what it is. And the power to decide who gets what and how belongs to the National and State assembly, not the Governors. Clearly, whatever power s the Governors have been exercising over those accounts does not come from the Constitution meaning they, the Governors, overstepped their bounds in this and ought to be penalized and maybe even prosecuted. undecided
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by maasoap(m): 5:57pm On Jul 13, 2024
Lol. Like they're happy about the judgement. Why were they fighting the LG autonomy then until they lost the fight? grin grin grin
Re: LG Autonomy: Supreme Court Has Relieved Us Of A Burden – Governors Forum by DeOTR: 4:27pm On Jul 14, 2024
Paramount01:
Pls you are from where? You are really pained ,is like your state governor no dey do well at all
Most of the Governors are not doing well and are easily the major contributor to our woes as a nation.
The state and local governments are supposed to be closer to the people and have far more impacts than the the FG, but what do we have?
Everyone is pointing fingers at the center, including the Governors who are supposed to be the superintendent in their domains.
The chairman of the damn governor's forum, but I don't even know if he's doing well or not, because I've not been to my state since he became governor
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