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Michaeltreasure:
Thanks sir. I guess we have too many misinformation so called Christians in Nigeria without any iota of logical reasoning...

You don't blame them that much.
Environmental factors such as lack of quality education could just be the reason why they perceive things the way they do

Kobojunkie:
But remember what the Will of God is, it is a Law under which one is bound. If His Will applies only to those who are of the blood of Jacob, what that means is those who are not descendants of that bloodline are not bound by His Will. It is that simple!

I understand your point of view now. But can I say humanity is on autopilot mode now?

paxonel:
You don't blame them that much.
Environmental factors such as lack of quality education could just be the reason why they perceive things the way they do

The annoying part is when some Christians give testimony in church about the evil that happened to others close to them, narrowly missing them. Example is someone testifying of being the only survivor of a traffic accident and jubilating in church. The testimony is then interpreted as God's saving grace.
Honestly it's annoying...

Michaeltreasure:
■ I understand your point of view now. But can I say humanity is on autopilot mode now?

Does it not appear exactly that way once you take off the delusion-goggles handed to you by religious scammers?

Kobojunkie:
Does it not appear exactly that way once you take off the delusion-goggles handed to you by religious scammers?

Wow! That means there's no repercussions for our actions then, since mankind is out of control...

Michaeltreasure:
I usually hear of statements like, "What happened is God's Will, whenever a disaster happens. I don't understand. Is the will of God evil? The Bible says God loves us and has good thoughts towards us, if that's the case, why are bad things attributed to his will?
Below is a sceenshot of a persons comment on the Jos school building collapse...

Whatever happens ..whether good or evil, happens because God willed it...If God says "A" ...."A" happens....nobody can change it.
God created disaster and calamity as a tool for us to learn and grow.
It is a time for us to bond together in love. we are all connected in the great circle (cycle) of life..

Some times things happen from mans limitations and ignorance...in all we should not "cause God and die".

He sees all
He knows all..

sonmvayina:
Whatever happens ..whether good or evil, happens because God willed it...If God says "A" ...."A" happens....nobody can change it.
God created disaster and calamity as a tool for us to learn and grow.
It is a time for us to bond together in love.

Some times things happen from mans limitations and ignorance...in all we should not "cause God and die".

He sees all
He knows all..

Thanks sir. Buy if what you wrote is true, then God must be a sadist who created humans, then use pain and and suffering to make them learn and grow.
I find it difficult aligning with your assertion sir...

Michaeltreasure:
Thanks sir. Buy if what you wrote is true, then God must be a sadist who created humans, then use pain and and suffering to make them learn and grow.
I find it difficult aligning with your assertion sir...

Lol..

Pain is part of our nature as humans..

Suffering was created by APC and all the demons in Aso rock....
When you understand the matrix ....things will be clearer.

Michaeltreasure:
OK then. What do we say about evil happenings? Are they beyond God's control, or he deliberately allows then to happen? I'm confused sir...

God allowed it because that's what our first parents demanded: absolute freedom to set standards for themselves. Genesis 3:5
So God stepped aside for mankind to see the result of what Adam and Eve wanted.

sonmvayina:
Lol..

Pain is part of our nature as humans..

Suffering was created by APC and all the demons in Aso rock....
When you understand the matrix ....things will be clearer.

I appreciate your explanation sir

MaxInDHouse:
God allowed it because that's what our first parents demanded: absolute freedom to set standards for themselves. Genesis 3:5
So God stepped aside for mankind to see the result of what Adam and Eve wanted.

That means we're suffering from the decisions of people who lived thousands of years ago, people we don't know. I don't think that's fair. Why should we suffer the consequences of actions from people we never met? It's unfair...

Michaeltreasure:
I appreciate your explanation sir

What I mean is that suffering is caused by greed, embezzling of public funds, jealousy, etc....

Pain? Well, we all feel it......

MaxInDHouse:
This is what my Bible say:

But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be..

See Proof your bible is a Lie!

The True bible Said "Perilious times" which means extremely dangerous, risky and death full as the world has now seen whereas your book of lies says critical times which only means an extremely important thing ot expresssing the merits and faults of a thing.

Michaeltreasure:
That means we're suffering from the decisions of people who lived thousands of years ago, people we don't know. I don't think that's fair. Why should we suffer the consequences of actions from people we never met? It's unfair...

Well God doesn't know you and me it's his own first human son {Luke 3:38} that matters to Him from God's standpoint we are all as good as walking corpse {Matthew 8:22} until He stops death {Isaiah 25:8} in fact until death is completely wiped out God doesn't see any of us as living! Revelations 20:5

That's why He sent Jesus to teach us how we can gain his approval to be among those that will be pardoned among Adam's descendants in fact we must adopt another father who will last forever unlike Adam who passed on death to his descendants {Romans 5:12} so Jesus our newly adopted father whose wise counsel {Isaiah 9:6} will help us to gain God's approval will rule us for 1,000 years!
Revelations 20:4

So the only way out is for mankind to know the consequences of Adam's rebellion now so that after all these has ended whoever wants to be rebellious again will not pass it to anyone else he or she will be allowed to enjoy life for just 100 years and die as a youth {Isaiah 65:20} while obedient ones life as youths forever! John 3:16

Michaeltreasure:
I don't understand your assertion sir. Can you please explain more?

Have you not seen that this is usually said when people are cryong and lamenting because of their powerlesness and helplessnes and hopelessness?

sonmvayina:
What I mean is that suffering is caused by greed, embezzling of public funds, jealousy, etc....

Pain? Well, we all feel it......

Thanks sir

Dtruthspeaker:
Have you not seen that this is usually said when people are cryong and lamenting because of their powerlesness and helplessnes and hopelessness?

Thus, God's will shows how powerless and weak humanity is...

MaxInDHouse:
Well God doesn't know you and me it's his own first human son {Luke 3:38} that matters to Him from God's standpoint we are all as good as walking corpse {Matthew 8:22} until He stops death {Isaiah 25:8} in fact until death is completely wiped out God doesn't see any of us as living! Revelations 20:5

If I understand you sir, you're trying to say as humans we have no control over events since we're all walking corpse in the sight of God

Michaeltreasure:
If I understand you sir, you're trying to say as humans we have no control over events since we're all walking corpse in the sight of God

We have but regarding whatever happens to us whether we choose to be good or evil God is no responsible for either now because to Him we are all like Adam to Him until each of us has been cleansed of Adamic sin we are all related to the rebellion Adam committed in the beginning so anything can happen to us whether good or evil and it could lead to our death.

MaxInDHouse:
We have but regarding whatever happens to us whether we choose to be good or evil God is no responsible for either now because to Him we are all like Adam to Him until each of us has been cleansed of Adamic sin we are all related to the rebellion Adam committed in the beginning so anything can happen to us whether good or evil and it could lead to our death.

Thus, we have some control over some events and non over others...

Michaeltreasure:
Thus, we have some control over some events and non over others...

Exactly!

Michaeltreasure:
Thus, God's will shows how powerless and weak humanity is...

Because of their accomplihments do we not see people feeling not destructible like the cow who said there is no God because he made money?

So, let them stop making noise and stop their houses from collapsing or flooding.

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly!

I perfectly understand now sir. Thanks for your time...

Dtruthspeaker:
Because o accomplihments do we not see people feeling inndestructible like the cow who said there is no God because he made money?

So, let them stop making noise and stop their houses from collapsing or flooding.

Thanks sir, I'm grateful...

Michaeltreasure:
∆ Wow! That means there's no repercussions for our actions then, since mankind is out of control...

Repercussions such as? You have your human laws and your justice systems, don't you. What else are you expecting?

Kobojunkie:
Repercussions such as? You have your human laws and your justice systems, don't you. What else are you expecting?

I was talking of divine repercussions not human...

Michaeltreasure:
■ I was talking of divine repercussions not human...

Who told you that there are these "divine" repercussions though? Was it not the same bunch of liars that lied to you regarding the God of Israel that did so?

Kobojunkie:
Who told you that there are these "divine" repercussions though? Was it not the same bunch of liars that lied to you regarding the God of Israel that did so?

You seem to be an atheist, seems you don't believe in the Divine...

Michaeltreasure:
■ You seem to be an atheist, seems you don't believe in the Divine...

But I am not an atheist at all since I believe in the God of Israel. So, answer my question. You believe in what you call "divine repercussions" but who fed you ideas of the existence of such?

Kobojunkie:
But I am not an atheist at all since I believe in the God of Israel. So, answer my question. You believe in what you call "divine repercussions" but who fed you ideas of the existence of such?

The bolder, Almost everyone who grew up in a typical Nigerian Christian home will know that.
Btw, since you believe in the God of Israel, do you not believe he's the God of Humanity? Or to you, he's restricted to only Israel?

Michaeltreasure:
■ The bolder, Almost everyone who grew up in a typical Nigerian Christian home will know that.
■ Btw, since you believe in the God of Israel, do you not believe he's the God of Humanity? Or to you, he's restricted to only Israel?

Ok! So you believe it because the very same men who lied to you that the God of a Nation called Israel is concerned about even you, a Nigerian who has nothing to do with His Israel. Don't you see a problem here?

2. The God of Israel declared to His people, Israel, that Israel is HIs only inheritance in the land of men. The God of Israel gave His Law of Moses only to the descendants of Jacob; He gave His Law Jesus Christ only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. By His own words, He restricted Himself to the descendants of Jacob alone, His Israel.

He never said that He was concerned about all of Humanity, so why do you ignore that which He said while you believe that which He never said?

Kobojunkie:
Ok! So you believe it because the very same men who lied to you that the God of a Nation called Israel is concerned about even you, a Nigerian who has nothing to do with His Israel. Don't you see a problem here?

2. The God of Israel declared to His people, Israel, that Israel is HIs only inheritance in the land of men. The God of Israel gave His Law of Moses only to the descendants of Jacob; He gave His Law Jesus Christ only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. By His own words, He restricted Himself to the descendants of Jacob alone, His Israel.

He never said that He was concerned about all of Humanity, so why do you ignore that which He said while you believe that which He never said?

I get it now. Only the Jews, the children of Israel are under divine control. The rest of mankind is on autopilot...