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The following treaties are my conversation with a Catholic. Although, his responses were not captured here. But these were written for many to think.

It was early hours of Sunday 14th July' 24. I had just come out of the church, after the Rev., father had pronounced the dismissal, having celebrated the Holy Mass.

Nonetheless, a few minutes back, before I stepped out to engage that brother in a conversation that would herald this discuss, I was burdened in my spirit as to the faith we profess as Catholics. Now what is this burden? Let me narrate it here because this burden will be the very foundation of my conversation with a fellow Catholic brother.

Sitting on the pew right inside the church, while the mass was ongoing, the communion prayers was in the air, I began to laugh in my spirit.
I said to myself, after one of the Lectors had announced to the congregation that "The grace of this mass is for everyone; but the reception of the Holy Communion is meant for practicing Catholics who have prepared themselves in the spirit," what other way can a Catholic prepare himself to receive Christ after he had confessed his sins in the beginning of the mass, he'd also asked for God's mercy during the recital of penitential Act?

Now to my conversation with a Catholic:

After the Priest had walked down the isle and out the sanctuary, I stepped out of the church and proceed to look for a Catechist, a fervent brother, a sister, or anyone that I could have a conversation with, to glean from the mouth of the person that could explain the perception of my burden.

So I went up and down the church premises but my spirit couldn't accept those I'm seeing around. Yet, as I returned from my walk to and from the church, I saw a brother standing close to the Rev., father's office with a Bible in his hands, and my spirit said to me, go to him.

The following are my conversation with that brother:

I started by way of salutation: Good morning sir, I'm sorry for interrupting you (: because the brother was busy with his mobile device). I have few questions concerning the profession of our faith as Catholics that I would like you to enlighten me on: because I don't think anyone knows it all.

The brother replied: Ok!
Then I said: In the beginning of the Holy Mass, the Priest ask the congregation to call to mind our sins and confess them before God. And after that, the Priest recite the prayers of penitential Act (:which goes like this: You were sent to heal the contrite of heart: Lord, have mercy. You came to call sinners: Christ, have mercy...). And all the congregation respond by saying: Lord, have mercy.

I then said to the brother: At this point, we all have confessed our sins before God and asked for mercy. My question is: do we really believe that God has heard us and have forgiven us our sins; or are we just saying those words to fulfil the order of the mass?

I said to him: Why is it that after we have confessed our sins and asked God for mercy, when it comes to receiving the communion, the Lector will announce to the whole church that the communion is meant for only those who have prepared themselves in the spirit? Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? I mean what other way can one best prepare himself if not before the presence of God, asking for mercy and forgiveness of sins? Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?

I then laid the foundation of my argument on a Scriptural perspective:

I said to that brother: If God did not forgive us after we'd asked for mercy, and we're not well prepared to receive the communion during the mass, then the Bible told a lie in the following scriptures:

1 John 1:9
[9]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we confess our sins, and God did not forgive us, then this verse of scripture should be expunged from the Bible.


Matthew 18:21-22
[21]Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
[22]Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

God cannot tell us to forgive, and not forgive us when we ask for mercy from Him during the mass: He will be an unjust God!

John 6:37
[37]All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

If we come before God asking for mercy and he cast us out, then Jesus told a lie.

Matthew 11:28
[28]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


If we bring our burden of sins to Jesus and we are still laden with them during the mass, then Jesus told a lie here.

James 5:14-15
[14]Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
[15]And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.


If we say the prayer of faith for the forgiveness of our sins in the name of Jesus Christ, and our sins are not forgiven, then this verse of Scripture is a lie.



Note that that brother gave good response to my questions. He even admitted that my points are valid. But in the end, he says, "we know in part, and we prophesy in part."


These were written for us Catholics to put our faith in Gods word, not on our doctrines.


Jesus is Lord!


Do not hoard knowledge, propagate it!

The spiritual preparation includes but is not only the confession.

The spiritual preparation is by Catholics who are baptized and confirmed. Confession and celebration of the Holy Mass by baptized and confirmed Catholics are the preparation mentioned in the announcement. The announcement does not mean that someone who went for confession should not receive the holy communion.

The announcement simply means that the holy communion is for baptized and confirmed Catholics who went for confession participated in the celebration of the Holy Mass. As a matter of fact, a baptized and confirmed Catholic who could not go for confession before the celebration of the Holy Mass can receive the holy communion and go for confession after the Mass.

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immortalcrown:
The spiritual preparation includes but is not only the confession.

The spiritual preparation is by Catholics who are baptized and confirmed. Confession and celebration of the Holy Mass are the preparation mentioned in the announcement. The announcement does not mean that someone who went for confession should not receive the holy communion.

The announcement simply means that the holy communion is for baptized and confirmed Catholics who went for confession and participated in the celebration of the Holy Mass. As a matter of fact, a baptized and confirmed Catholic who could not go for confession before the celebration of the Holy Mass can receive the holy communion and go for confession after the Mass.

Brother, if only you knew the implications of that announcement. As a matter of fact, that announcement have kept many in their seats, than it has moved them to the alter to receive the communion.

However, I'm talking about Catholics who are baptized and have been confirmed. Many don't go to receive because they feel they're not well prepared.
You see, when the Lord Jesus instituted the communion, he said to his disciples "Take this all of you and eat..." He did not say, take this, if you are well prepared, or in a state of grace. At the time, even Judas was having wrong thoughts in his heart, yet the Lord gave him his body and flesh.

Now somebody says, it was the communion he received that led him to betray Christ. I do not believe God will give you something that will open you to demonic thoughts: because in the Bible, Christ says, "... If we being evil know how to give good gifts to our children, how much more shall the heavenly Father give good gifts to them that ask"

ocnovakmichael:
Brother, if only you knew the implications of that announcement. As a matter of fact, that announcement have kept many in their seats, than it has moved them to the alter to receive the communion.

However, I'm talking about Catholics who are baptized and have been confirmed. Many don't go to receive because they feel they're not well prepared.
You see, when the Lord Jesus instituted the communion, he said to his disciples "Take this all of you and eat..." He did not say, take this, if you are well prepared, or in a state of grace. At the time, even Judas was having wrong thoughts in his heart, yet the Lord gave him his body and flesh.

Now somebody says, it was the communion he received that led him to betray Christ. I do not believe God will give you something that will open you to demonic thoughts: because in the Bible, Christ says, "... If we being evil know how to give good gifts to our children, how much more shall the heavenly Father give good gifts to them that ask"

If any baptized and confirmed Catholic does not go for holy communion, blame the person, don't blame the announcement.

If a Catholic who is not baptized and confirmed does not go for holy communion because of the announcement, such a person is not wrong, neither is the announcement wrong.

So, what exactly is your point? The announcement is plane and simple. Blame those who misunderstand the announcement. The announcement is not wrong. You are misinterpreting the announcement and adding what is never implied in the announcement.

ocnovakmichael:
The following treaties are my conversation with a Catholic. Although, his responses were not captured here. But these were written for many to think.

It was early hours of Sunday 14th July' 24. I had just come out of the church, after the Rev., father had pronounced the dismissal, having celebrated the Holy Mass.

Nonetheless, a few minutes back, before I stepped out to engage that brother in a conversation that would herald this discuss, I was burdened in my spirit as to the faith we profess as Catholics. Now what is this burden? Let me narrate it here because this burden will be the very foundation of my conversation with a fellow Catholic brother.

Sitting on the pew right inside the church, while the mass was ongoing, the communion prayers was in the air, I began to laugh in my spirit.
I said to myself, after one of the Lectors had announced to the congregation that "The grace of this mass is for everyone; but the reception of the Holy Communion is meant for practicing Catholics who have prepared themselves in the spirit," what other way can a Catholic prepare himself to receive Christ after he had confessed his sins in the beginning of the mass, he'd also asked for God's mercy during the recital of penitential Act?

Now to my conversation with a Catholic:

After the Priest had walked down the isle and out the sanctuary, I stepped out of the church and proceed to look for a Catechist, a fervent brother, a sister, or anyone that I could have a conversation with, to glean from the mouth of the person that could explain the perception of my burden.

So I went up and down the church premises but my spirit couldn't accept those I'm seeing around. Yet, as I returned from my walk to and from the church, I saw a brother standing close to the Rev., father's office with a Bible in his hands, and my spirit said to me, go to him.

The following are my conversation with that brother:

I started by way of salutation: Good morning sir, I'm sorry for interrupting you (: because the brother was busy with his mobile device). I have few questions concerning the profession of our faith as Catholics that I would like you to enlighten me on: because I don't think anyone knows it all.

The brother replied: Ok!
Then I said: In the beginning of the Holy Mass, the Priest ask the congregation to call to mind our sins and confess them before God. And after that, the Priest recite the prayers of penitential Act (:which goes like this: You were sent to heal the contrite of heart: Lord, have mercy. You came to call sinners: Christ, have mercy...). And all the congregation respond by saying: Lord, have mercy.

I then said to the brother: At this point, we all have confessed our sins before God and asked for mercy. My question is: do we really believe that God has heard us and have forgiven us our sins; or are we just saying those words to fulfil the order of the mass?

I said to him: Why is it that after we have confessed our sins and asked God for mercy, when it comes to receiving the communion, the Lector will announce to the whole church that the communion is meant for only those who have prepared themselves in the spirit? Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? I mean what other way can one best prepare himself if not before the presence of God, asking for mercy and forgiveness of sins? Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?

I then laid the foundation of my argument on a Scriptural perspective:

I said to that brother: If God did not forgive us after we'd asked for mercy, and we're not well prepared to receive the communion during the mass, then the Bible told a lie in the following scriptures:

1 John 1:9
[9]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we confess our sins, and God did not forgive us, then this verse of scripture should be expunged from the Bible.


Matthew 18:21-22
[21]Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
[22]Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

God cannot tell us to forgive, and not forgive us when we ask for mercy from Him during the mass: He will be an unjust God!

John 6:37
[37]All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

If we come before God asking for mercy and he cast us out, then Jesus told a lie.

Matthew 11:28
[28]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


If we bring our burden of sins to Jesus and we are still laden with them during the mass, then Jesus told a lie here.

James 5:14-15
[14]Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
[15]And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.


If we say the prayer of faith for the forgiveness of our sins in the name of Jesus Christ, and our sins are not forgiven, then this verse of Scripture is a lie.



Note that that brother gave good response to my questions. He even admitted that my points are valid. But in the end, he says, "we know in part, and we prophesy in part."


These were written for us Catholics to put our faith in Gods word, not on our doctrines.


Jesus is Lord!


Do not hoard knowledge, propagate it!

I was in one of the mass today, it reminds me how it used to be then...

But mehn...
Religion itself antagonizes the truth it teaches.

And i also understand that the Vatican officially accept that the earth is a sphere and isn't flat in shape most recently, after all these centuries, even when Neil Armstrong had landed on the moon in 1969 it really do not matter to them.

Imagine the level of dogmatism

ocnovakmichael:
..Note that that brother gave good response to my questions. He even admitted that my points are valid. But in the end, he says, "we know in part, and we prophesy in part."

These were written for us Catholics to put our faith in Gods word, not on our doctrines.

What were the responses he gave so that we.can measure it ourselves.

paxonel:
I was in one of the mass today, it reminds me how it used to be then...

But mehn...
Religion itself antagonizes the truth it teaches.

And i also understand that the Vatican officially accept that the earth is a sphere and isn't flat in shape most recently, after all these centuries, even when Neil Armstrong had landed on the moon in 1969 it really do not matter to them.

Imagine the level of dogmatism

You went to catholic church? No womder you are full of mad delusions and wishes.

immortalcrown:
The spiritual preparation includes but is not only the confession.

The spiritual preparation is by Catholics who are baptized and confirmed. Confession and celebration of the Holy Mass are the preparation mentioned in the announcement. The announcement does not mean that someone who went for confession should not receive the holy communion...

You are not answering the question

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

Dtruthspeaker:
You are not answering the question
1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

Does the announcement tell you that only those who made confession before the Mass should get the Holy communion? If yes, which parish made that announcement? If not, why are you forcing your own interpretation on me and asking me unnecessary questions?

You sounded like you did not understand the announcement. I explained the announcement to you. You are now trying to twist it to bring out your own interpretation. The announcement never says that God does not hear your prayer. If you are not willing to follow the laid down procedures for prayers in the Catholic doctrine, leave the Catholic and go to any church of your choice. The Catholic is not the only church that gives the Holy communion. Go to another church and receive the Holy communion there, if you do not like the protocols involved in getting the communion in the Catholic Church.

immortalcrown:
If any baptized and confirmed Catholic does go for holy communion, blame the person, don't blame the announcement.

If a Catholic who is not baptized and confirmed does not go for holy communion because of the announcement, such a person is not wrong, neither is the announcement wrong.

So, what exactly is your point? The announcement is plane and simple. Blame those who misunderstand the announcement. The announcement is not wrong. You are misinterpreting the announcement and adding what is never implied in the announcement.

The point is that you people are biblically wrong but are just doing "Your house, your rules"

immortalcrown:
Does the announcement tell you that only those who made confession before the Mass should get the Holy communion? If yes, which parish made that announcement? If not, why are you forcing your own interpretation on me and asking me unnecessary questions?

During the communion prayer is it not said "this is my body/my blood given up for you (us)? That is clearly an invitation!

And this is aside.

The issue is can you or any catholic here answer the questions the op raised? To wit

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.during the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

Dtruthspeaker:
During the communion prayer is it not said "this is my body/my blood given up for you (us)? That is clearly an invitation!

And this is aside.

The issue is can you or any catholic here answer the questions the op raised? To wit

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

Does the announcement tell you that only those who made confession before the Mass should get the Holy communion? If yes, which parish made that announcement? If not, why are you forcing your own interpretation on me and asking me unnecessary questions?

immortalcrown:
Does the announcement tell you that only those who made confession before the Mass should get the Holy communion? If yes, which parish made that announcement? If not, why are you forcing your own interpretation on me and asking me unnecessary questions?

Does the announcement not say "only practicing catholics" should come for the communion?

And who does not know that "practicing catholic" means one who has gone for confession before the mass?

And this is not the issue, the op cleatly asked
1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

If you cannot answer these questions we understand!

Dtruthspeaker:
Does the announcement not say "only practicing catholics" should come for the communion?

And who does not know that "practicing catholic" means one who has gone for confession before the mass?

And this is not the issue, the op cleatly asked
1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

If you cannot answer these questions we understand!

Even in other Chruches, one has to follow certain doctrinal procedures to receive holy communion. And it does not imply that God does not hear your prayer outside confession. Is there any Church that gives holy communion to everyone that enters the Church? Even Jesus Christ had the last supper with 12 Apostles, not with all who have had an encounter with him. Does it mean that Jesus Christ forsook others who did not partake in the last supper? The same Jesus went to the mountain for a particular prayer. Does it mean that God could not hear Jesus outside the mountain? Even when the Holy Spirit descended, it was upon the disciples praying in the upper room. Does it mean that God does not hear prayers made outside the upper room, or does it mean that God does not hear those who are not among the disciples?

The poster's problem is that he or she wants a Christian life without commitment and coordination. That is why he/she considers himself/herself a Catholic but wants to bypass the confession. The confession is a few minutes task. A baptized and confirmed Catholic can even receive the holy communion and go for confession after the Mass. So, what exactly is your point?

immortalcrown:
The spiritual preparation includes but is not only the confession.

The spiritual preparation is by Catholics who are baptized and confirmed. Confession and celebration of the Holy Mass are the preparation mentioned in the announcement. The announcement does not mean that someone who went for confession should not receive the holy communion.

The announcement simply means that the holy communion is for baptized and confirmed Catholics who went for confession and participated in the celebration of the Holy Mass. As a matter of fact, a baptized and confirmed Catholic who could not go for confession before the celebration of the Holy Mass can receive the holy communion and go for confession after the Mass.

are there holy communion for non baptized Catholics or Christians who were baptized somewhere else but came for confession?

Dtruthspeaker:
You went to catholic church? No womder you are full of mad delusions and wishes.

There is no amount of your delusion about Catholics as a Pentecostalist or Protestant that will make Catholics less Christians.

If you want to know the truth about Catholics visit a cathecist yourself and ask reasonable questions

paxonel:
are there holy communion for non baptized Catholics or Christians who were baptized somewhere else but came for confession?

No. The person should either remain in the Church that baptized him/her and receive holy communion in the very Church or properly become a Catholic member and fulfil the Catholic requirements for the holy communion.

Your question came from a mindset of lawlessness, uncommittedness and disorganisation.

immortalcrown:
No. The person should either remain in the Church that baptized him/her and receive holy communion in the very Church or properly become a Catholic member and fulfil the Catholic requirements for the holy communion.

ok

Your question came from a mindset of lawlessness, uncommittedness and disorganisation.

my question came from the mindset of unity of the body of Christ.
Laws, commitment and organisation is dependent on the church.
Not all churches have the same laws and organisation. Even commitment is still subjective to the laws of the church. But the most important is that all churches should be subjected to Christ.

Among the pentecostals and most Protestants, communion is open for all believers of Christ, irrespective of the denomination.
If you think there is anything wrong about this, you can explain to me, why it is wrong

paxonel:
ok
my question came from the mindset of unity of the body of Christ.
Laws, commitment and organisation is dependent on the church.
Not all churches have the same laws and organisation. Even commitment is still subjective to the laws of the church. But the most important is that all churches should be subjected to Christ.

Okay. I'm sorry that I misunderstood your mindset.

Among the pentecostals and most Protestants, communion is open for all believers of Christ, irrespective of the denomination.
If you think there is anything wrong about this, you can explain to me, why it is wrong

I have nothing against this. Every religious denomination has its doctrines. You have the freedom to choose those churches that do not require any fulfilment from those that want to take the Holy communion. But if you choose the Catholic Church, follow its doctrines. Do not try to force the doctrines of other churches on the Catholic or vice versa.

Dear Christian people, if only we can stand on the unchanging word of God

immortalcrown:
The spiritual preparation includes but is not only the confession.

The spiritual preparation is by Catholics who are baptized and confirmed. Confession and celebration of the Holy Mass are the preparation mentioned in the announcement. The announcement does not mean that someone who went for confession should not receive the holy communion.

The announcement simply means that the holy communion is for baptized and confirmed Catholics who went for confession and participated in the celebration of the Holy Mass. As a matter of fact, a baptized and confirmed Catholic who could not go for confession before the celebration of the Holy Mass can receive the holy communion and go for confession after the Mass.

Brother what spiritual preparation is greater than asking God for mercy? What preparation is greater than confessing one's sins and asking God to forgive.

The prodigal sons only made a move to meet his father, and Scripture says, while he was at the gate, the father was already waiting for him.

How come when we come before God during the mass, and we confess our sins as Catholics many are being held back from approaching the altar because a word have been tossed in the air, which says, "... The communion is for practicing Catholics who have prepared themselves."

My position in this matter is this: as a Catholic, even if I'd sinned, the night before entering the church, and I come before God, and asked for mercy, I should be able to partake in the feast.
Besides, it is Jesus Christ, who will cleanse all my sins that I'm going to the altar to receive. Who or what else could best forgive and cleanse me, and make me walk in the paths of truth if not the body and blood of Jesus inside of me?

During the mass, if I ask God for forgiveness and I'm not forgiven, then the Bible told a lie in the epistle of 1John 1:9.

Think about it.

immortalcrown:
If any baptized and confirmed Catholic does not go for holy communion, blame the person, don't blame the announcement.

If a Catholic who is not baptized and confirmed does not go for holy communion because of the announcement, such a person is not wrong, neither is the announcement wrong.
So, what exactly is your point? The announcement is plane and simple. Blame those who misunderstand the announcement. The announcement is not wrong. You are misinterpreting the announcement and adding what is never implied in the announcement.

Brother, I did not imply what wasn't stated. The announcement is suggestive enough.

The implication is that some are well prepared and some are not.

You see, we cannot make ourselves righteous. It is the blood of Jesus that have given us the gift of righteousness.

Scripture says, if we judge ourselves we should not be judged

1 Corinthians 11:31
[31]For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

To judge ourselves all we need do is identify our sins and ask God for mercy and forgiveness. And that, perhaps, all in the mass participated, when the priest ask the congregation to confess their sins and ask for mercy.

ocnovakmichael:
Brother, I did not imply what wasn't stated. The announcement is suggestive enough.

The implication is that some are well prepared and some are not.

You see, we cannot make ourselves righteous. It is the blood of Jesus that have given us the gift of righteousness.

Scripture says, if we judge ourselves we should not be judged

1 Corinthians 11:31
[31]For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

To judge ourselves all we need do is identify our sins and ask God for mercy and forgiveness. And that, perhaps, all in the mass participated, when the priest ask the congregation to confess their sins and ask for mercy.

Can you just appoint anybody as the senior pastor of a Church? Answer this question.

paxonel:
There is no amount of your delusion about Catholics as a Pentecostalist or Protestant that will make Catholics less Christians.

If you want to know the truth about Catholics visit a cathecist yourself and ask reasonable questions

hahahaha! You think because i am anticatholic therefore, i am protestant? Real spoken like a true catholic! You hid that fact well. I had no hint you were catholic until this thread, Last year i think when you spoke about going to mass, i thought you were just moving there. But, now it is clear you go to mass regularly hence your delusions and semi.atheism!

With all these you should know that i was catholic, (of a sort because God helped me keep my head and in my house we house we have both catholics and what you people call protestant and i got to see. that between the sides, they agree that the bible was greater and better, so i held it above my 'Missal" and "simple prayer book' and "bulletins" and rosary.

And every question i have asked catholics here, i have asked every catholic that feels he knows God and the bible eg legion of mary, charismatic renewal people, even priests and they all run away or pleading the "in the cathiolic church thing" which clearly means that you have no reasonable support or connection with God and the bible but just a "Your house, your rules" thing!

But any way, i can be proven wrong if any catholic could answer.the question the op asked to wit

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

And we understand if no catholic, not even your pope is able to answer this question!

immortalcrown:
Even in other Chruches, one has to follow certain doctrinal procedures to receive holy communion. And it does not imply that God does not hear your prayer outside confession. Is there any Church that gives holy communion to everyone that enters the Church? Even Jesus Christ had the last supper with 12 Apostles, not with all who have had an encounter with him. Does it mean that Jesus Christ forsook others who did not partake in the last supper? The same Jesus went to the mountain for a particular prayer. Does it mean that God could not hear Jesus outside the mountain? Even when the Holy Spirit descended, it was upon the disciples praying in the upper room. Does it mean that God does not hear prayers made outside the upper room, or does it mean that God does not hear those who are not among the disciples?

The poster's problem is that he or she wants a Christian life without commitment and coordination.?

In all these dodging and fallacious argiments you still did not answer the question

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?

We understand why you are not able to.

paxonel:
ok
my question came from the mindset of unity of the body of Christ.
Laws, commitment and organisation is dependent on the church.
Not all churches have the same laws and organisation. Even commitment is still subjective to the laws of the church. But the most important is that all churches should be subjected to Christ.

Among the pentecostals and most Protestants, communion is open for all believers of Christ, irrespective of the denomination.

If you think there is anything wrong about this, you can explain to me, why it is wrong

Correct!

immortalcrown:
Okay. I'm sorry that I misunderstood your mindset.

I have nothing against this. Every religious denomination has its doctrines. You have the freedom to choose those churches that do not require any fulfilment from those that want to take the Holy communion. But if you choose the Catholic Church, follow its doctrines. Do not try to force the doctrines of other churches on the Catholic or vice versa.

The only doctrine any not catholic asks for your church enforce are biblical instructions but, you people disobey.

immortalcrown:
Can you just appoint anybody as the senior pastor of a Church? Answer this question.

See dodging and deflection.

He asks about obeying the bible and here you are dodging it and changing it to appointment of pastor which is the issue.

We take it that you are not able to answer any of this pertinent questions.

Dtruthspeaker:
Correct!

you are saying correct today, what happen?

Dtruthspeaker:
hahahaha! You think because i am anticatholic therefore, i am protestant? Real spoken like a true catholic! You hid that fact well. I had no hint you were catholic until this thread, Last year i think when you spoke about going to mass, i thought you were just moving there. But, now it is clear you go to mass regularly hence your delusions and semi.atheism!

With all these you should know that i was catholic, (of a sort because God helped me keep my head and in my house we house we have both catholics and what you people call protestant and i got to see. that between the sides, they agree that the bible was greater and better, so i held it above my 'Missal" and "simple prayer book' and "bulletins" and rosary.

And every question i have asked catholics here, i have asked every catholic that feels he knows God and the bible eg legion of mary, charismatic renewal people, even priests and they all run away or pleading the "in the cathiolic church thing" which clearly means that you have no reasonable support or connection with God and the bible but just a "Your house, your rules" thing!

But any way, i can be proven wrong if any catholic could answer.the question the op asked to wit

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

And we understand if no catholic, not even your pope is able to answer this question!

you certainly have nothing to do with the right answers to the op question.
They cannot edify you.
At it stands right now nothing works in your brain, so nothing can help you