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TenQ:
What has the verse below got to do with oral recital of the Qur'an?
Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

In your senseless arguments you shoot yourself at the foot.


According to your quote, the Oral MAY is even less precise that the written MAY. The oral May conveys a possibility or permission

Please which of these two is the MAY of Allah in Qur'an 48:2-3?



After the above, you went to smuggle in falsehood completely negating the write-up from your dictionary definition thinking that no one will see it.

According to your writeup, oral MAY is the one that is LESS precise.
Can you do yourself a favour by reading your post again.
Can Islam survive without Misinformation and Taqqiya?



1. I didn't tell you that I quoted any dictionary as I asked you to quote your dictionary and I gave you synonyms except you are willing to show that the synonyms are WRONG. (Be my guest)
2. Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as
MAY=have permission to
MAY=used to express a wish or desire
MAY=used to express purpose (with examples such as)
-we exercise so that we may be strong
- possibility of happening
he'll do his duty come what may

Even though mundane, we have to ask you
Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION, a WISH or a POSSIBILITY).

Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?

Ohyoudidnt:
You obviously have terribly weak comprehension of English language.



What do you understand by may defined by the last highlight in red here?

Ohyoudidnt:
A most simple truth if you can get off a highly repugnant arrogant display of ignorance is was Quran 48:2-3 transmitted orally or in print or engraved stone?


You didn't quote any dictionary but speak English that you create and Define!!!

TenQ:
I have used your dictionary against you and yet you have failed again.


Is Oral MAY more precise that the Written MAY?


Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

In your senseless arguments you shoot yourself at the foot.


According to your quote, the Oral MAY is even less precise that the written MAY. The oral May conveys a possibility or permission

Please which of these two is the MAY of Allah in Qur'an 48:2-3?




According to your writeup, oral MAY is the one that is LESS precise.
Can you do yourself a favour by reading your post again.
Can Islam survive without Misinformation and Taqqiya?




1. Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as
MAY=have permission to
MAY=used to express a wish or desire
MAY=used to express purpose (with examples such as)
-we exercise so that we may be strong
- possibility of happening
he'll do his duty come what may

Even though mundane, we have to ask you
Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION, a WISH or a POSSIBILITY).

Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?

Ohyoudidnt:
Very closed and narrow views as expected.

What do you even understand about possibility? When something is highly possible what is the likelihood of occurrence?

A highly probable event is how much more likely to occur than a lowly probable event?

Do you not understand that a positive argument directly supports a conclusion, while a negative argument undermines an opposing conclusion?

At the time of the revelation of the Quran in Arabia how many written documents existed and how many people could read and write?

What do you even understand by an English speaking person saying my word is bond?

Please go and learn English before coming to struggle with translation but before kindly oblige this forum with a documented validation of your statement that ambiguous means may have several possibilities of unclear statements

TenQ:
Too bad for you.
What you have simply said is that Allah is NOT Certain about forgiving Mohammed.
Allah is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of occurrence

How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?


Your three definitions were clearly presented for you to choose what the MAY of Allah is BUT you can't as you can only throw irrelevant tantrums.


I have used your dictionary against you and yet you have failed again.


Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

In your senseless arguments you shoot yourself at the foot.


According to your quote, the Oral MAY is even less precise that the written MAY. The oral May conveys a possibility or permission

Please which of these two is the MAY of Allah in Qur'an 48:2-3?




According to your writeup, oral MAY is the one that is LESS precise.
Can you do yourself a favour by reading your post again.
Can Islam survive without Misinformation and Taqqiya?




Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as
MAY=have permission to
MAY=used to express a wish or desire
MAY=used to express purpose (with examples such as)
-we exercise so that we may be strong
- possibility of happening
he'll do his duty come what may

Even though mundane, we have to ask you
Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION, a WISH or a POSSIBILITY).

Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?

Ohyoudidnt:
Please go and learn English before coming to struggle with translation but before kindly oblige this forum with a documented validation of your statement that ambiguous means may have several possibilities of unclear statements.

TenQ:
It's always about the Red Herring Fallacy:

With your own statements you have been disgraced and you have no response.

Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.

What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish

How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?




Let me remind you of the Questions again :



Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.


1. Does Allah need permission to do anything?
2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?
3. What is the difference between these similar phrases
I shall forgive you AND
I may forgive you
4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?




Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!

Ohyoudidnt:
Do you agree that no dictionary defines ambiguous as “several possibilities of unclear statements?

TenQ:
Can you show me either the name of the Dictionary I claimed to use or if I ever told you it was a dictionary definition?
Islam is all about the Red Herring Fallacy:


Again:


With your own statements you have been disgraced and you have no response.

Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.


What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish

How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?




Let me remind you of the Questions again :



Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.


1. Does Allah need permission to do anything?
2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?
3. What is the difference between these similar phrases
I shall forgive you AND
I may forgive you
4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?




Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!








Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.

TenQ:
Can you show me either the name of the Dictionary I claimed to use or if I ever told you it was a dictionary definition?
Islam is all about the Red Herring Fallacy:


Again:


With your own statements you have been disgraced and you have no response.

Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.


What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish

How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?




Let me remind you of the Questions again :



Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.


1. Does Allah need permission to do anything?
2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?
3. What is the difference between these similar phrases
I shall forgive you AND
I may forgive you
4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?




Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!








Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.

TenQ:
Are you okay!?


Is MAY used when admitting that something is true before introducing another point, argument, etc ?
How does it relate to Qur'an 48:2-3



No wonder you cannot answer my simple questions


Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.


1. Does Allah need permission to do anything?
2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?



I expect you to ramble about as usual
This is why Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions!


What is the difference between these two similar sentences

1. I shall forgive you
2. I may forgive you

Ohyoudidnt:
You fundamentally do not subscribe to a dictionary definition of ambiguous and obviously created your own. This sure will prevent understanding it's use and meaning in sentences.

Ohyoudidnt:
The presence of ambiguous verses in the Quran encourages Muslims to engage in critical thinking and reflection. Instead of simply accepting the words of the Quran at face value

This process of reflection and contemplation not only deepens one's understanding of the Quran but also strengthens faith and connection to Allah.

Ambiguous verses also allow for a greater level of flexibility and adaptability in interpreting the Quran. In a rapidly changing world, the ability to interpret the Quran in a way that is relevant to the present day is crucial.


Ambigous words are capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or ways

Ohyoudidnt:
Shall and may are two modal auxiliary verbs that are used to express a future action.

When shall is used in the second or third person, it implies a promise, command, or compulsion.

May is used for a grant or allowance of permission.

The Jewish term transliterated as yis-lach elohim is God may/shall forgive

TenQ:
You cannot answer my questions because Allah is always ambiguous in his speech. There is nothing precise or certain about the speech of Allah.

Here are ten synonyms of the word ambiguous

Unclear
Vague
Obscure
Equivocal
Indefinite
Uncertain
Cryptic
Puzzling
Nebulous
Indistinct

Since you want to emphasise the word ambiguous

According to Merriam-Webster, the word "ambiguous" is defined as:

1. "Doubtful or uncertain especially from obscurity or indistinctness."
2. "Capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or ways"​
(Merriam-Webster)​​ (Merriam-Webster)​.
In other words, something ambiguous can be unclear because it has multiple possible meanings or interpretations.



No wonder, even though the Qur'an is supposed to be a detailed explanation of all things, we spend 90% of the time reading multiple Tafsirs to comprehend it.



The presence of ambiguous verses is a failure in scholarship by Allah and a contradiction to his claim. Muslims are prevented from asking questions by Allah so that you wouldn't loose your blind faith in Allah.

As an example, According to the Qur'an alone
1. Who is Rūh Al-Qudus?
2. Who is Israel?
3. Who is the sister of Aaron?
4. Why is Jesus so unique amongst humans (without a Father and why can he create life and why is he still alive 2000 plus years after his birth)?

Islam is a fiction invented with the objective of rejecting Christ and creating a deity according to the imagination of some Arabs.


I asked for the DIFFERENCES and not SIMILARITIES between shall and may which as usual you botched up.

"I shall forgive you":
Certainty : This statement expresses a definite intention to forgive. It implies that forgiveness is certain or planned.
Tone: It is more decisive and authoritative, indicating a commitment to forgiving the person.


"I may forgive you":
Certainty: This statement expresses a possibility rather than a certainty. It implies that forgiveness is being considered but not guaranteed
Tone: It is more tentative and less committed, indicating that the decision to forgive is still under consideration and may depend on further factors or conditions.

Allah is the only deity who is unsure or uncertain of his ability to forgive his mightiest messanger.


BTW,
yis-lach elohim : doesn't mean God may/shall forgive

Ohyoudidnt:
Shall and may are two modal auxiliary verbs that are used to express a future action.

TenQ:
Are you now ready to answer my questions.



Let me remind you of the Questions again :
Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.


1. Does Allah need permission to do anything?
2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?

4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?




Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!








What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish

How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?

Ohyoudidnt:
From your submissions do you not know that when making to define a word by it's synonyms you are to analyse these synonyms to understand the nuances and contexts in which they are used?

I have colour coded one of the dictionary definitions of ambiguous you italicized do you not see how it fits into the context of its use in several verses of the Quran?

Something ambiguous is not solely unclear or is this what your eventual dictionary submission tells you?

What is the sense in only looking for differences and ignoring similarities? Is this not a deliberate effort to ignore the truth or a bias you covertly hold on to?

Ohyoudidnt:
* From the Quran Ruhul Qudus refers to the
angel Jibril

Ohyoudidnt:
* In the Qur'an, the term "Israel" refers to Prophet Ya'qub who is also known as Jacob in the Bible. Prophet Ya'qub, was the son of Prophet Ishaq, and the grandson of Prophet Ibrahim. Allah mentions the descendants of Prophet Ya'qub as the Children of Israel or Bani Isra'il.

Ohyoudidnt:
* From the Quran the sister of Aaron is not explicitly mentioned however in regards to the point you are likely driving at sister of Aaron is symbolic in the description of Mary the mother of Jesus for her piety and devoutness to God

Ohyoudidnt:
* The case of Jesus is unique particularly as the Israelites always ask for signs to prove being a messenger of God and the existence of the almighty. Haven seen so many signs and stubbornly refusing another sign of a person born without a father.

Jesus creating life in a bird don't know which other there is was another sign for the Israelites.

Ohyoudidnt:
Shall is used to express an intended future action

May is used to grant permission as in you may begin the examination?

You only say yis-lach elohim doesn't mean what I translate it to but fail to say what it means? Do you not know?

Ohyoudidnt:
As discussed earlier the context and meaning of may used here is that Allah will forgive sins in the future on earth and on judgement day

Permission isn't within the context of use

Ohyoudidnt:
There is only one Allah and this agrees with the definition and meaning of the arabic word. The Allah that prophet Muhammad and all other prophets worship who sent them worship and all sincere believers.

The guarantee of forgiveness is in numerous verses such as Quran 8:33; 48:2; 3:135 to name a few.

TenQ:
A Muslim is a person who tells different lies and manufactures all forms of conjectures so that he can remain in Islam.


Repeating obvious untruths cannot turn it into the truth.




A blatant lie except you can show me one verse of the Qur'an where Jibril is called the Holy Spirit.
Don't forget that Jesus is also a spirit in the Qur'an




Another blatant lie as the Qur'an speaks only of "Children of Israel" without telling us who Israel is!

I challenge you to show me a single verse of the Qur'an that says Israel is Yaqub



At least you spoke a little truth here.
The information here is either false or ambiguous for according to the Torah Mary the sister of Aaron is the daughter of Amran (Imran). Mary the mother of Jesus is from the tribe of Judah while Mary the sister of Aaron is from the Tribe of Levi.



The question was about why Jesus was unique amongst all humans. Unfortunately, the Jews didn't request for a baby born from a virgin and neither did they ask for a baby who could talk and neither did they ask Allah for a person who can perform miracles.

So, clearly, the Qur'an gives no single reason why Jesus was the Messiah or why He was given.



If we go by your adoption of MAY meaning granting of permission,

1. Does Allah need permission to forgive anyone?
2. Who is Allah calling to grant permission to forgive Mohammed ?





Aren't you contradicting yourself here?

You said: MAY is MAY is used to grant permission

Are you adopting the other two definitions of MAY?




Can you tell me how MAY become a Guarantee for anything?

I am sure you know that there are several verses where Allah unsure of himself used the word MAY like in Qur'an 48:2, Qur'an 12:92, Qur'an 24:22 , Quran 48.3
Quran 14.51, Quran 3.141, Quran 24.38, Quran 33.24, Quran 48.2, Quran 9.121, or Quran 39.35

Sometimes I wonder what you would do IF Christians deliberately miss-define a word as something else.

TenQ:
As an example, According to the Qur'an alone
1. Who is Rūh Al-Qudus?
2. Who is Israel?
3. Who is the sister of Aaron?
4. Why is Jesus so unique amongst humans (without a Father and why can he create life and why is he still alive 2000 plus years after his birth)?

TenQ:
BTW,
yis-lach elohim : doesn't mean God may/shall forgive

Ohyoudidnt:
....
A most simple truth if you can get off a highly repugnant arrogant display of ignorance is was Quran 48:2-3 transmitted orally or in print or engraved stone?

You didn't quote any dictionary but speak English that you create and Define!!!

Ohyoudidnt:
...
There are differences between spoken “May” and written “May”
In spoken language, the word “may” is often used more casually and informally compared to its written counterpart. When spoken, “may” is commonly used to express possibility or permission in a less formal manner. For example, in everyday conversation, someone might say, “I may go to the store later,” to indicate a potential action without committing definitively.

On the other hand, in written language, especially in formal contexts such as academic writing or legal documents, the word “may” is used with more precision and clarity. In writing, “may” is often employed to denote permission or possibility in a specific and deliberate manner. For instance, in a legal contract, the term “party A may terminate the agreement under certain conditions” would be written with clear implications and legal significance.

TenQ:
I used you own dictionary sir and you were completly decimated.
Secondly, you admitted from your own words that When spoken, “may” is commonly used to express possibility or permission in a less formal manner. For example, in everyday conversation, someone might say, “I may go to the store later,” to indicate a potential action without committing definitively. ....

In other words, it is in the realm of probability if Allah would forgive Mohammed or not


What you have said is that Written MAY is even more certain than Oral MAY!



Let's see how unambiguous Allah is in the Quran from another verse!


Quran 17:1
"Glory be to him(1) who took his(2) servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest mosque, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show him(4) of our signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."

From the Quran Alone can you answer these Questions
1. Who is the one speaking here: Allah or Mohammed or Jibril”
Note: Moses was mentioned in Quran 17:2
2. Which servant was taken by night is it Moses or David or Mohammed?
3. If we assume that Allah is him(1) and his(2), who is the we(3)?
Note: him(1) and him(2) is singular but we(3) is plural
4. Are the him(4) and the he(5) different or the same?
5. Who is to be shown the signs?
6. Where is this Sacred Mosque?
7. Where is this farthest Mosque whose surroundings has been blessed?
Note: The Temple was completely destroyed by the Romans 550 years before Mohammed and it was a waste dump. Omar Ibn al-Khattab, found the waste dump in 638 AD rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem (completed fully in 705 AD)


Let’s rephrase and correct some of the grammatical blunders of the Quran
a. If Mohammed, Jibril or someone else was the originator of this verse
Quran XX:X
"Glory be to Allah(1) who took his(2) servant Mohammed by night from the Sacred Mosque in Mecca to the farthest mosque in Jerusalem, whose surroundings he(3) has blessed, to show his servant(4) of his signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."

b. If Allah himself was the originator of this verse
Quran XX:X
"Glory be to us(1) who took our(2) servant Mohammed by night from the Sacred Mosque in Mecca to the farthest mosque in Jerusalem, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show our servant(4) of our signs. Indeed, we(5) are the Hearing, the Seeing."


I challenge you to say that either of the two verses of Quran XX:X is not better in clarity that Quran 17:1

Ohyoudidnt:
The problem is in defining an arabic word by a limited English translation.

ambiguous
/ăm-bĭg′yoo͞-əs/
adjective
Open to more than one interpretation.
"an ambiguous reply."

Doubtful or uncertain.

Doubtful or uncertain, particularly in respect to signification; capable of being understood in either of two or more possible senses; equivocal.

"an ambiguous course; an ambiguous expression."
Similar: equivocal


لِّيَغْفِرَ is derived from the root verb ghafara, which means “to forgive” or “to pardon.”
The prefix لـ (li) indicates purpose or intention, often translated as “in order to” or “so that.”
The form yagfiru is the imperfect tense (present/future) of the verb, specifically in the third person masculine singular form.
When combined, li yaghfiru translates to “so that He may forgive” or “in order for Him to forgive.”

In other places so that He may forgive reflects both a request for mercy by believers and an acknowledgment of human fallibility.

Ohyoudidnt:
The belief that ruhul Qudus is Jibril can be traced to Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 87 and other verses in the Quran where the two entities are mentioned together like Al-Baqarah verse 97 which specifies the one who brings down the divine message to prophets.
Just as well with Quran 16:102.

Ohyoudidnt:
You didn't ask about why Jesus was called the messiah or you ask so many questions and confuse yourself?

Ohyoudidnt:
The concept of the "ruh" (soul or spirit) is mentioned in the Qur'an in several verses. The ruh is a creation of Allah and is distinct from Allah Himself, as Allah is the Creator and the ruh is one of His creations. The ruh is a part of the human being that gives life and consciousness.

In the Qur'an, the term "ruh" (soul or spirit) is mentioned in various forms and contexts. The ruh is a creation of Allah and plays a significant role in human existence and spirituality.

Ruh as the Breath of Life in Surah As-Sajdah, verse 9

In Surah Ash-Shura, verse 52, the ruh is mentioned in the context of revelation and guidance this is another form of "Ruh" mentioned in the Qur'an as "Ruh al-Ameen" which translates to the Trustworthy Spirit. This term is found in Surah Ash-Shu'ara, verse 193-194:
In these verses, "Ruh al-Ameen" is mentioned as the one who brought down the revelation to the heart of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), indicating the trustworthiness and reliability of the source of the revelation.

Ohyoudidnt:
Mention of Israel in Context of Prophets in Surah Maryam (19:58)
These are the people on whom Allah bestowed Favour from among the Prophets of the seed of Adam and of those (believers) whom We (saved from Deluge and) carried with Nuh (Noah) in the Ark, and of the posterity of Ibrahim (Abraham) and Isra‘il (Israel i.e. Ya‘qub [Jacob]) and of those (chosen ones) whom We guided and exalted. When the Verses of the Most Kind (Lord) are recited to them, they fall down prostrating themselves in (profuse) tears.

Ohyoudidnt:
And I follow religion of my father and forefathers: Ibrahim (Abraham), Ishaq (Isaac), and Ya‘qub (Jacob). And we have no right to associate anything as a partner with Allah. This (belief in the Oneness of Allah) is a (special) bounty of Allah upon us and the people, but most people do not give thanks. Surah Yusuf (12:38)

Ohyoudidnt:
Quran 45:16 serves as proof that “Israel” refers to Yaqub (Jacob) by establishing a direct link between him and the Children of Israel.
Jacob’s twelve sons became the progenitors of the twelve tribes of Israel. Thus, when referring to the Children of Israel in this context, it inherently points back to Jacob as their forefather.
The Quran frequently recounts stories involving Jacob and his sons (notably Joseph), reinforcing his role as a key figure in guiding his descendants.

Ohyoudidnt:
What is the translation of the meaning of yis-lach elohim?

Ohyoudidnt:
Did I hide away from showing different meaning of the word May?

Did I not ask you to see the context of the use of the word in sentences?

The variable meanings with regards to first second and third person?

If a word is commonly used for something does it eliminate other uses from being correct?

For one who is unable to adequately comprehend English language with regards it's tenses, nuances and form of usage it is great to see you promote to an expert to define what is or Isn't a blunder.

Did your own eventual submission of a dictionary definition of ambiguous not show that it means multiple meanings?

You are not submitting the people meaning of what is quoted from the shema in Jewish.

In any case it's been the usual never ending merry go round with your refusal to see accept the truth arguing like the Pharisees

Ohyoudidnt:
.......
As discussed earlier the context and meaning of may used here is that Allah will forgive sins in the future on earth and on judgement day

Permission isn't within the context of use

There is only one Allah and this agrees with the definition and meaning of the arabic word. The Allah that prophet Muhammad and all other prophets worship who sent them worship and all sincere believers.

The guarantee of forgiveness is in numerous verses such as Quran 8:33; 48:2; 3:135 to name a few.

Britannica Dictionary definition of MAY
[modal verb]
1
— used to indicate that something is possible or probable
They may still succeed.
Do you think they may [=can, could, might] still succeed?
“Have they failed?” “They may have.” = (Brit) “They may have done.” [=it's possible that they failed]
[+] more examples
2
— used to say that one thing is true but something else is also true
He may [=might] be slow, but he does very good work. = Slow though he may be, he (still) does very good work. [=although he's slow, he does very good work]
It may [=might] be cold outside, but it's still a beautiful day. [=although it's cold outside, it's still a beautiful day]
She may [=might] have been a great actress, but she was a terrible parent.
3
formal — used to indicate that something is allowed
You may go now. [=you have permission to leave now]
No one may enter without a ticket.
The children may play wherever they choose.
You may tell me your opinion, but I won't change my mind.
— compare can 4b
4
formal — used to ask a question or make a request in a polite way
“May [=might] I borrow your pen?” “Of course you may!”
“May I help you,” asked the waiter, “or are you already being served?”
May I ask who is calling?
“May I leave a little early today?” “No, you may not.”
— compare can 4a
5
formal — used to express a wish
Long may the Queen reign! [=I hope the Queen will reign for a long time]
May the best man win!
May you have a long and happy life!
6
formal — used to make a polite suggestion
You may [=might] want to think again and consider your options carefully.
It may [=might] be wise to proceed cautiously.
7
formal — used in various polite expressions with I
May I just say how pleased I am to be here. [=I would like to say how pleased I am to be here]
If I may (interrupt you), would you please repeat the answer?
I'd like to ask a question, if I may.
This has been, if I may say so, one of the happiest days of my life.
8
formal + old-fashioned — used to indicate the reason for something or the purpose of something
We exercise so that we may [=will] be strong and healthy. [=we exercise in order to be strong and healthy]
I work hard so that my family may [=will] not go hungry.
be that as it may formal
— used to introduce a statement that is somehow different from what has just been said
There has been some improvement in the economy in recent months, but, be that as it may [=despite that, even so], many people are still looking for work.

TenQ:
You seem to have a short memory

Remember that i said to you:
Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as
MAY =have permission to
MAY =used to express a wish or desire
MAY =used to express purpose
[i]-He will do the job come what may!

Even though mundane, we have to ask you
Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION , a WISH or a POSSIBILITY or a PURPOSE ).

Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?

Remember that you also said:


Since it seems you have eliminated one of the three options in definition, we can revise the question as
Which of these two is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a WISH or a POSSIBILITY ).

BUT,
since arabic has the equivalent of the English word SHALL, and Allah could have used it but he didn't: now we are stuck with his inability to guarantee forgiveness for Mohammed.
Are words like words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an) not Arabic?

Do you agree that Allah could have used in place of MAY, words like WILL, SHALL, MUST or SHOULD


Here is a wider dictoinary you can use

https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/may

Ohyoudidnt:
In Finality

In Islam, the concept of the Holy Spirit (Ar-Ruh al-Qudus) is understood to be a creation of Allah and is separate from Allah Himself. The Holy Spirit is believed to be an angel or a divine entity created by Allah for specific purposes. It is important to note that in Islamic belief, Allah is distinct and separate from His creation, including the Holy Spirit and all other spirits.

In Surah Al-Ma'idah, Chapter 5, Verse 110, Allah says:

Translation:
[And mention] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."

This verse from the Quran mentions the support given to Prophet Isa (Jesus) by the Pure Spirit (Ar-Ruh al-Qudus), indicating that the Holy Spirit is a creation of Allah and was sent to assist and guide the prophets.

Also, the concept of the "spirit of Allah" in relation to Prophet Isa (Jesus) is understood to be a creation of Allah and is separate from Allah Himself. The term "spirit of Allah" (Ruhullah) refers to a special status or honor given to Prophet Isa as a chosen messenger of Allah, not to be understood as a literal part of Allah Himself.

In Surah An-Nisa, Chapter 4, Verse 171, Allah
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

This verse clarifies the status of Prophet Isa (Jesus) as a messenger of Allah and emphasizes the oneness of Allah, highlighting that the term "spirit from Him" refers to a creation of Allah and not a part of Allah Himself. It is important to understand the teachings of Islam regarding the nature of Allah and His creation.

Ohyoudidnt:
From your submissions with the brittanica.com definitions do you not have as point 8 the definition:

8
formal + old-fashioned — used to indicate the reason for something or the purpose of something
We exercise so that we may [=will] be strong and healthy. [=we exercise in order to be strong and healthy]
I work hard so that my family may [=will] [/b]not go hungry.
be that as it may formal

The above says old fashioned and if you will be sincere and truthful isn't the Quran an old revelation even if in arabic language?

Have you not accepted that there isn't always a hundred percent accurate and correct translation of words from one language to another?

Is this not due to innate peculiarities and nuances that are not as easy to translate from one language to another?

Of course you turn a blind eye to:

[b]لِّيَغْفِرَ is derived from the root verb ghafara, which means “to forgive” or “to pardon.”
The prefix لـ (li) indicates purpose or intention, often translated as “in order to” or “so that.”
The form yagfiru is the imperfect tense (present/future) of the verb, specifically in the third person masculine singular form.
When combined, li yaghfiru translates to “so that He may forgive” or “in order for Him to forgive.”

Is it that you cannot recognise the Arabic word in the verse Q48:2 you refer to?

Of course you never saw and read:

Ohyoudidnt:
Perhaps you also need to be told that being separate from Allah points to the spirit not being an attribute of Allah.

The fundamental problem is your focus in likening the creation of Allah to Allah himself yet you forget that there is nothing like Allah and nothing can be compared or likened to him.
But in Oneness, Iblis is not different from Allah
How many Iblis exist? And Is Iblis not the god of some people?
In Omnipresence, Iblis is not different from Allah
Allah is upon his throne which is above the seven heavens, thus he isn't everywhere
In Omnipotence, Iblis is not different from Allah
Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be the Almighty?: No!
Can Allah have a son without having a consort or girlfriend? No! But Mary had a son without a man

You said : Perhaps you also need to be told that being separate from Allah points to the spirit not being an attribute of Allah.
Example: Using your logic
The Word of Allah is separate from Allah, therefore, it is not an attribute of Allah



[quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=131055204]In Islam, attributes (sifaat) refer to the qualities or characteristics that define Allah’s nature. These attributes are unique to Allah and do not share any similarity with created beings. The essence of Allah is distinct from His creation, and thus, any description or attribute ascribed to Him must align with this understanding.

The term “spirit” in Islamic texts often refers to a created entity rather than an intrinsic quality of Allah. For instance, when discussing the creation of Adam, it is stated that Allah breathed His spirit into him:

Qur’an 15:29: “So when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him [lit. ‘My soul’], then fall down prostrating yourselves unto him.”

This verse indicates that the spirit is something bestowed upon Adam, marking his distinction as a living being rather than an attribute inherent to Allah Himself.

The Breath of Allah, it is not explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an or Hadith as an attribute of Allah.

When referring to the “breath” of Allah, it is important to recognize that this expression signifies an act of creation rather than a characteristic that defines His essence. The act of breathing life into Adam or sending His spirit does not imply that these actions reflect a divine attribute but rather demonstrate His creative power.

Scholars such as Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn al-Qayyim have articulated that mentioning something in conjunction with Allah does not equate it to being an attribute of His divine nature. They emphasize that terms like “the spirit of Allah” should be understood in context.

Ohyoudidnt:
Salvation rescues believers from the ultimate penalty of sin, which is death (Matthew 25:46).
It also provides liberation from the power of sin in this life, allowing believers to live in accordance with God’s will (Romans 6:14)

When God forgives us, He wipes our sins off the record as if they never existed (Psalm 103:12). Forgiveness allows for reconciliation between God and humanity, restoring what was lost due to sin.

The Bible teaches that one cannot attain salvation without first receiving forgiveness for their sins. Acts 26:18 emphasizes that salvation involves turning people from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God so that they may receive forgiveness.

In Luke 1:77, John the Baptist speaks about giving knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of sins. This indicates that understanding one’s need for forgiveness is crucial for grasping the concept of salvation.

While forgiveness addresses past sins by erasing them, salvation secures the future by ensuring no longer being under condemnation. They work together; without forgiveness, there can be no true experience of salvation.

John 3:1-19
1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. 2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”
3Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
4“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time to be born?”
5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
12If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man. 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
19 And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”

TenQ:
Like a drowning man, you are clutching up to straws to deliver you unfortunatley, you are still in the peril of sinking as the straws cannot deliver you.

8 formal + old-fashioned — used to indicate the reason for something or the purpose of something
Examples:
We exercise so that we may be strong and healthy.
I work hard so that my family may not go hungry.

In the two examples above,
the REASONS are in colour RED
the PURPOSE are in colour BLUE

For number 8 to refer to the MAY of your Allah, these two conditions must be clearly elucidated. Here is your verse again

Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

The purpsoes in Qur'an 48:2-3 are
a. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future,
b. that Allâh may help you with strong help.

Can you show me the REASON for these PURPOSE from Quran 48:2-3?
The above example show that your err sir. You are just clutching on straws which will not save you.

I asked you:
Since arabic has the equivalent of the English word SHALL, and Allah could have used it but he didn't: now we are stuck with his inability to guarantee forgiveness for Mohammed.
Are words like words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an) not Arabic?

Do you agree that Allah could have used in place of MAY, words like WILL, SHALL, MUST or SHOULD

Ohyoudidnt:
The problem is in defining an arabic word by a limited English translation.

Ohyoudidnt:
Why can't the Quran be directly interpreted?

Is this because it is in Arabic language?

Do you mean naturally speaking Arabians need an interpreter to understand the arabic of the Quran?

I hope you are not deliberately making an intellectual mistake.

Did you understand the video you shared?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSkzcocL1A0?si=l2duWWcx_h6Rw18u

Ohyoudidnt:
What is actually said:


I have translation

No, I know you have translation, but I just want to make sure you get it right.

There will come a day that we will see far more radical extremists and terrorists coming out of Europe because of lack of decision making, trying to be politically correct or assuming that they know the Middle East and they know Islam and they know the others far better than we do

TenQ:
Sin is Desecration of the Integrity of God. Sin is the Violation of Gods Integrity.


Read your Quran:
Who provided the Lamb or Ram that was used to Ransome the son of Abraham?
Why did God provide a ransom for Abraham's son: why he didn't just say that Abraham should go?

Every human being is born a sinner: this is the nature we all inherited from Adam.
This is why Jesus was not a descendant of Adam for he would have also inherited the nature of sin like the rest of us.

TenQ:
Like a drowning man, you are clutching up to straws to deliver you unfortunatley, you are still in the peril of sinking as the straws cannot deliver you.

8 formal + old-fashioned — used to indicate the reason for something or the purpose of something
Examples:
We exercise so that we may be strong and healthy.
I work hard so that my family may not go hungry.

In the two examples above,
the REASONS are in colour RED
the PURPOSE are in colour BLUE

For number 8 to refer to the MAY of your Allah, these two conditions must be clearly elucidated. Here is your verse again

Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

The purpsoes in Qur'an 48:2-3 are
a. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future,
b. that Allâh may help you with strong help.

Can you show me the REASON for these PURPOSE from Quran 48:2-3?
The above example show that your err sir. You are just clutching on straws which will not save you.

I asked you:
Since arabic has the equivalent of the English word SHALL, and Allah could have used it but he didn't: now we are stuck with his inability to guarantee forgiveness for Mohammed.
Are words like words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an) not Arabic?

Do you agree that Allah could have used in place of MAY, words like WILL, SHALL, MUST or SHOULD

Ohyoudidnt:
As pointed out before



I have noticed you typing (exact translation) in front of quite a number of the verses yet you ignore the fact that translating Arabic to English presents numerous challenges that often prevent a direct, word-for-word translation.

This is because there are:

1. Linguistic differences which stem from the fact that Arabic and English belong to different language families, which results in significant linguistic disparities.

2. The grammatical rules governing sentence construction differ significantly between the two languages. This is exhibited in verb forms
where Arabic verbs are conjugated based on gender and number, while English verbs do not change form as extensively.
(May, shall, will are also classified as modal verbs)

Structural differences in the sentence order can lead to confusion if translated directly without adjustment.

Language is deeply intertwined with culture; thus, cultural nuances play a crucial role in translation. For example Many phrases in Arabic carry cultural significance that may not have a direct equivalent in English. For instance, idioms like “break a leg” cannot be translated literally into Arabic without losing their intended meaning or vice versa.

Arabic words may have multiple meanings depending on context.

The lack of standardisation where there isn’t always a universally accepted term for specific concepts due to historical and educational factors.

Do you now not see why it is wrong that you apply your rules from English language to the efforts of translators from Arabic to English?


Are you aware that equivalent is the which term refers to something that has the same value, function, or meaning as another item but may not be identical in form or appearance? For example, two currencies can be equivalent if they have the same purchasing power, even though they are different currencies.

Are you also aware that exact the adjective denotes precision and accuracy. When something is described as exact, it means that it is completely correct or true without any deviation. For instance, an exact measurement would indicate a specific quantity without approximation.

In translation, an equivalent word may convey the same meaning but not necessarily carry the same connotations or cultural significance while an exact translation aims to replicate both meaning and nuance as closely as possible .

You see why?


Regarding the YouTube video.




You obviously fail to understand that the concept of a ransom is used in the context of atonement to describe the payment made to free someone from captivity or sin. Allah's forgiveness being the actual ransom.

I do however acknowledge disparity of views regarding the Hadith you quote but why go to hadith?

The Quran in Surah Aham verse 164 has a meaning translated as "And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And if a heavily laden soul calls [another] to [carry some of] its load, nothing of it will be carried, even if he should be a close relative. You can only warn those who fear their Lord unseen and have established prayer. And whoever purifies himself only purifies himself for [the benefit of] his soul. And to Allah is the [final] destination.

Ohyoudidnt:
As pointed out before

Ohyoudidnt:
I have noticed you typing (exact translation) in front of quite a number of the verses yet you ignore the fact that translating Arabic to English presents numerous challenges that often prevent a direct, word-for-word translation.

This is because there are:

1. Linguistic differences which stem from the fact that Arabic and English belong to different language families, which results in significant linguistic disparities.

2. The grammatical rules governing sentence construction differ significantly between the two languages. This is exhibited in verb forms
where Arabic verbs are conjugated based on gender and number, while English verbs do not change form as extensively.
(May, shall, will are also classified as modal verbs)

Structural differences in the sentence order can lead to confusion if translated directly without adjustment.

Language is deeply intertwined with culture; thus, cultural nuances play a crucial role in translation. For example Many phrases in Arabic carry cultural significance that may not have a direct equivalent in English. For instance, idioms like “break a leg” cannot be translated literally into Arabic without losing their intended meaning or vice versa.

Arabic words may have multiple meanings depending on context.

The lack of standardisation where there isn’t always a universally accepted term for specific concepts due to historical and educational factors.

Do you now not see why it is wrong that you apply your rules from English language to the efforts of translators from Arabic to English?


Are you aware that equivalent is the which term refers to something that has the same value, function, or meaning as another item but may not be identical in form or appearance? For example, two currencies can be equivalent if they have the same purchasing power, even though they are different currencies.

Are you also aware that exact the adjective denotes precision and accuracy. When something is described as exact, it means that it is completely correct or true without any deviation. For instance, an exact measurement would indicate a specific quantity without approximation.

In translation, an equivalent word may convey the same meaning but not necessarily carry the same connotations or cultural significance while an exact translation aims to replicate both meaning and nuance as closely as possible .

You see why?

Regarding the YouTube video.

Ohyoudidnt:
You obviously fail to understand that the concept of a ransom is used in the context of atonement to describe the payment made to free someone from captivity or sin. Allah's forgiveness being the actual ransom.

Ohyoudidnt:
I do however acknowledge disparity of views regarding the Hadith you quote but why go to hadith?

The Quran in Surah Aham verse 164 has a meaning translated as "And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And if a heavily laden soul calls [another] to [carry some of] its load, nothing of it will be carried, even if he should be a close relative. You can only warn those who fear their Lord unseen and have established prayer. And whoever purifies himself only purifies himself for [the benefit of] his soul. And to Allah is the [final] destination.

TenQ:
The excuse of Your definition 8 failed miserably sir because you must have both a REASON and a PURPOSE for definition 8 to hold

The purpsoes in Qur'an 48:2-3 are
a. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future,
b. that Allâh may help you with strong help.

Can you show me the REASON for these PURPOSE from Quran 48:2-3?
The above example show that your err sir. You are just clutching on straws which will not save you.


1. I used the word exact translation to convey the truthfulness of the translation which is different form some of your scholars translation. For instance, some of your scholars translated RUH as SOUL when even in context, the RUH should be SPIRIT.
For example:
Did Allah breathe of his SOUL into Adam?

2. You seem not to realise that Arabic and Hebrew are both similar Semitic languages: Thus how many times do we see Christians or Jews complaining of translation issues in their scripture? Muslims are deliberately mistranslating the words of Allah in order that it will agree with the consensus of your scholars.
3. Better words exist in Arabic to convey your preferred Islamic narrative if that was the objective of Allah.
Are you saying that Allah was unaware of Arabic words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an)?





Exactly, if God MUST punish any violation of His Integrity, only a ransom will save us from the punishment of the Fire of Hell.
What will be your ransom on that day Mr Ohyoudidnt?



Why do I quote the hadiths?
Because, Your religion is not complete without the Hadith of Mohammed.
Is it untrue that Allah command you in the Qur'an to obey both him and Mohammed?

Secondly, many times you even take the words of Mohammed even against and above the words of Allah.

Thirdly, Allah did not say there would be no ransom from the Fire of Hell. What Allah says is that he would not accept ANY ransom from disbelievers

Qur'an 57:15
So no ransom will be accepted of you on this day, or of those who refused to believe. Hell will be your refuge and the only friend -- and how evil a destination!"

Qur'an 5:36
As for unbelievers, if they possess the riches of the whole earth, and two times more, and offer it as ransom for release from the torments of the Day of Resurrection, it will not be accepted from them, and their punishment will surely be painful.

Qur'an 70:11
Though within sight of one another. The sinner would like to ransom himself from the torment of that Day by offering his sons

Qur'an 3:91
From those who deny and die disbelieving will never be accepted an earthful of gold if proferred by them as ransom. For them is grievous punishment, and none will help them.

This is very consistent with your hadith sir. Ransom will only be for the believing Muslims with Jews and Christians.


Contrary to your opinion Qur'an 6:164 that this is about ransom, it isn't. Your Tafsirs ( Ibn Kathir, Al-Maududi) agree that the meaning is that everyone will carry his own sins. Eg. A father will not be punished for the sins of his wife or child. This is why EACH Muslim will be individually ransomed (with a Christian or Jew)

Have you ever wondered why your ransom from the fire would not be the worst of Idolaters and unbelievers but Christians and Jews?

Qur'an 6:164
Say: 'Shall I seek someone other than Allah as Lord when He is the Lord of everything? ' Everyone will bear the consequence of what he does, and no one shall bear the burden of another. Thereafter, your return will be to your Lord, whereupon He will let you know what you disagreed about