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| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by deddypiper: 1:18pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
004gist:If your story is correctly reported, why was the same products your friend was producing in Nigeria costlier than the ones imported(after cost of importation), that made your friend run at loss? Was there no way for your friend to cut cost of production to remain afloat? The truth is, in a fair world, no one should run a monopoly business, competition is best for the customers. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by Artscollection: 1:19pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Zonefree:Cowards dies many times b4 their actual death. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by Phoen1X: 1:19pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Hemanwel:Tinubu has removed the petroleum subsidy for him,...what else does he want ?. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by Eriokanmi: 1:19pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
004gist:Good point. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by 004gist: 1:22pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Zwooks:Has dangote stop anyone from establishing refinary? Is it not a shame for dacades we can't produce a single drop of oil?. For years government do pump money to NNPC to put the refinary up but what happened? Dangote step further to enter oil production u said we can't sell the country to dangote. Tomorrow u go de blame colonial master for keeping Nigeria in this state |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by Nobody: 1:23pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
nlfpmod:Akinwumi Adesina is one the smartest people Nigeria has ever produced, this is a huge warning...yet people like Helinues Freestuffsng Biodun556 Yarimo EponObi and the others with zero knowledge of economics and no single clue of what the future will look like will come here and be shouting up APC like they came to this world to joke. lol |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by Eriokanmi: 1:26pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
malali:Define monopoly. That's an assignment for you today |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by oyeb15: 1:27pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Did Nigeria force Dangote to build refinery? Because u open buka beside my house, you expect me to stop cooking and eating on my own. If Dangote cannot sell his fake fuel below #400 per liter,he should get lost. Aresina,don't let this Otedola pig stain your linen. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by GoodGovernance: 1:29pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
malali:Insanity is when you think a local petroleum refinery can successfully compete with a petrol importer in Nigeria. We can as well start importing everything that we already produce in abundance in Nigeria. Stupidity is when you think a refinery that can supply all our local needs should be frustrated by making it compete with brief case importers. High pricing as a result of a non deliberate monopoly(Nobody is stopping other refineries) by a company employing thousands of Nigerians, is far better for the economy, than flooding the economy with cheap imported fuel. It is not low prices of commodities that develops an economy, but high level of productivity! An inflationary but productive economy is far better than a nonproductive, low inflation, low petrol price economy!! Only a quack economist or analyst would think otherwise. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by 004gist: 1:32pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
deddypiper:Production is far cheaper in China than Nigeria. Do you know how much it takes to buy desiel to run a plant 24/7? Secondly the government of China support infact industry very well, they ensure they remove double taxation. We need a givt that wil support business, we need electricity 24/7 |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by tete7000(m): 1:33pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
004gist:We live in an unregulated, lawless and unstructured society and that's what you get from such society. People who wants to make cheap money simply sacrifice with no one to protect you. It is quite sad, but I must point out that at one time Dangote too benefitted from that. He imported, sugar, cement, salt and undermined local production, killing local industries. Nevertheless, we must commend him for this noble and elegant one he has done and rather than castigate it we all can find a way to promote his initiative. It can be the beginning of the good things to come to Nigeria. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by darkman200: 1:34pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
GoodGovernance:It will be self-defeating in the short, medium, and long term if the Nigerian government does not do everything in its power to protect the Dangote refinery at all costs. No investors, both local and international, will invest significantly in Nigeria for decades to come if they perceive a lack of protection for major investments. While concerns about monopolies and fair competition are valid, safeguarding investor confidence must be the immediate priority. The Dangote refinery's $19.5 billion investment in a critical sector needs protection to avoid sending a chilling message to potential global investors. Balancing open market principles with the practical needs of attracting large-scale investments in developing economies is crucial. Nigeria's energy sector requires substantial capital and technology, often from major players capable of shouldering significant risks. Dangote's expectations of support reflect the assurances often required for investments of this magnitude. Government incentives to attract such investments are common practice globally. The comparison to China's actions against Alibaba is relevant, as it highlights the lasting negative consequences on investor confidence and economic growth that can result from not protecting major investments. While fostering competition is important for long-term economic health, it shouldn't undermine investments that can catalyze broader economic development. A nuanced approach that protects significant investments while gradually opening the market for competition could be more beneficial for Nigeria's economic future. In conclusion, protecting the Dangote refinery investment is crucial for maintaining investor confidence and Nigeria's economic stability and growth prospects in the coming decades. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by malali: 1:36pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Eriokanmi:Sure, let me break it down in simple terms: What is a Monopoly? A monopoly happens when one company has so much control over a market that they are the only or the dominant player. This means they can set prices and terms almost any way they want because there's little or no competition. Dangote Cement's Situation 1. Market Share: Dangote Cement is the largest cement producer in Nigeria. They produce so much cement that other companies can't really compete on the same level. They control a huge chunk of the market. 2. Pricing Power: Because Dangote Cement dominates the market, they can set prices higher than they might be in a more competitive market. Other companies can't lower their prices too much to attract customers because they don't produce as much and can't afford to. 3. Barriers to Entry: Starting a new cement company or growing an existing one to compete with Dangote Cement is very hard. This is because of the high costs involved in setting up factories, buying machinery, and getting the necessary permits and resources. Dangote Cement has already overcome these barriers, making it difficult for new competitors to enter the market. 4. Government Support: Over the years, Dangote Cement has received various forms of support from the Nigerian government, like tax breaks and import waivers. This support has made it even harder for new companies to compete because they don't get the same benefits. Why is This a Problem? - Higher Prices: With less competition, Dangote Cement can charge higher prices. Consumers and builders end up paying more for cement than they would if there were more competition. - Less Innovation: In a competitive market, companies try to improve their products and services to attract more customers. But in a monopoly, there's less incentive to innovate or improve because the company doesn't have to worry about losing customers to competitors. - Dependence on One Company: If anything happens to Dangote Cement (like financial troubles or production issues), the whole country's supply of cement could be affected because there's no strong competitor to step in. Dangote Cement is considered a monopoly in Nigeria because they control most of the cement market, can set high prices, and have received government support that makes it hard for others to compete. This situation leads to higher prices, less innovation, and a risky dependence on one company for an essential building material. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by Faposky95: 1:36pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
malali:Seem we gat something in common |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by jaxxy(m): 1:36pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Nigeria is its own biggest enemy..We are our own enemy. ![]() |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by Demayour: 1:39pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
malali:The summary of your post is to frustrate Dangote's refinery so that we can stop him from monopolising the energy sector (which had been in perpetual instability for decades). I'm really curious to know what inspired your writeup. Is it the love of Nigeria or the support of Tinubu or basic support for economics? Whichever it is, it is misplaced. Dangote has eaten from Nigeria's corruption no doubt but imagine Nigeria having 10 Dangotes with the number of employees that he has and the value chain that profits from that. For now, Nigeria doesn't have a choice because we don't have a stable energy industry and someone pumped that much money while the government gallivanted that it was their doings, they start frustrating the same firm when it is completed. The politicians alone are not the ones destroying Nigeria, they can never destroy it unaided. They need instruments like you but very soon, all that will be dealt with and Nigeria will overcome her problems. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by malali: 1:40pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
GoodGovernance:Get well soon. You are in our prayers. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by WikeTheDrunk(f): 1:44pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Tflex01:For you to be more concerned about people wey no like Dangote before instead of the real issues on ground just show how myopic and ignorant you are. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by AbahJFK: 1:47pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
[color=#000099][/color] From all these arguments it seems most Nigerians prefer the importation of petrol than we producing locally. On the long run,how will this favour us as a country? Is there any other nation of the world that has achieved great success importing finish products when they have d crude? Please let us stop being sentimental, because we don't like Dangote doesn't mean we should burn the country down. I don't think fuel importation will help us especially when we now have the refinery to produce unlike b4 when we had no choice. Please let us be objective in our arguments, we have followed this route of religious and tribal sentiments for far too long and it's not helping us, why can't we change? From the look of things even the PH refinery won't work, because ppl gaining from importation will sabotage it. GoodGovernance: |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by Eriokanmi: 1:53pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
malali:You tried but dangote isn't operating in a monopolistic market. Bua group, Ibeto, Lafarge/WAPCO are still in active operation in same market. Dangote only has a edge over them because he has the financial muscle as an individual to operate. He also has cement plants outside Nigeria esrning him stable fx,hope you know. On the oil and gas investment, before Dangote came we had 4 solid refineries which they rendered moribund due to corruption in the system. Only nnpc was importing petrol, the Monopoly which Dangote refinery has now broken. Rather, nnpc was the one operating as a Monopoly in the oil and gas market, not dangote who came just yesterday. Bua group is also coming up with their refineries. It would soon be completed. We have modular ones too which have been in operation before dangote came. If you have the capacity today, you too can build one. Dangote had reiterated that he enjoyed no benefit from the FG. The money they contributed was a loan, which hes been paying back already. He also said he paid 100m usd for the land he built the refinery on. So, in this case, Monopoly is out of place. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by malali: 1:54pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Demayour:I understand your perspective and share your concern for Nigeria’s development. However, I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the situation regarding Dangote’s refinery and the energy sector. Desperation Should Not Lead to Exploitation We might be desperate to meet our energy needs, but that does not mean we should allow ourselves to be exploited. Yes, Dangote made a significant investment in the refinery, but this does not grant him the right to monopolize the energy sector or receive special treatment from the government. Free Market Principles Dangote should operate his refinery under free market principles. He should buy crude oil at market prices and sell refined products, such as petrol and diesel, to the highest bidder. This ensures a fair and competitive market that benefits all Nigerians. On day one, Dangote cannot go to the NNPC and demand crude oil allocations at a preferential price or expect the government to automatically purchase his diesel and petrol. Past Concessions and Market Realities Consider the cement industry as an example. We provided Dangote with free raw materials, tax breaks, and various other concessions. Yet, cement prices in Nigeria are higher than in Kenya and Ethiopia, where there is no Dangote monopoly and the market operates more freely. These countries enjoy lower prices due to competition. So, what tangible benefits have we received after 50 years of concessions to Dangote? Very little, it seems. Future Concessions Now, you suggest we should offer similar concessions for the refinery that isn’t even operational yet. Are we to hand over the keys to the Central Bank vault as well? This is not about stifling progress or being unpatriotic. It’s about ensuring that the Nigerian people get a fair deal and are not taken advantage of by monopolistic practices. Governance and Accountability I have nothing personal against Dangote, and I agree that Tinubu could potentially lead the government effectively. However, it’s crucial to see where this is heading. If Dangote is allowed to monopolize the energy sector, we will face similar issues as we do with the cement industry—high prices and limited competition. Dangote should be allowed to run his refinery like any other business, buying crude at market rates and selling refined products without expecting special treatment. This is not about undermining local businesses but about fostering a competitive environment where everyone plays by the same rules. While we appreciate Dangote’s investment, we must ensure that it does not lead to monopolistic practices that ultimately harm Nigeria’s economy. Fair competition, free markets, and transparency should guide our policies, ensuring that all Nigerians benefit from the country’s resources. Sincerely, Malali |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by ojuu4u(m): 1:54pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
malali:Thank you for your long epistle and ur understanding on the issue, but sir, when will ur daddy would start his own refinery, iron still, bitumen, railway and other gigantic and capital expensive companies? We want him to benefit alot from govt surports like Dangote and by extention, for nigeria's youths to be able to have job opporunities. We dnt want people to be japaing" to sahara desert again, where they exploit nigeria citizens |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by malali: 1:57pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
ojuu4u:My dad is actually not rich. But i own Oil E&P Companies. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by Bizibi(m): 1:58pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
That corporation need purging..... |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by DMerciful(m): 2:02pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Who is the minister of Petroleum? Tinubu. He is 100% responsible for all what is happening in the petroleum industry Hemanwel: |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by InvertedHammer: 2:04pm On Jul 23, 2024*. Modified: 2:22pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
malali:/ You are funny! Most developed nations do not allow open competition in critical sectors. US subsidizes agriculture and has a grip on technology sector (eg US vs TikTok). They did everything to frustrate Huawei (Chinese phone company) out of US market to protect Netgear, Cisco, T-Mobile, etc). Internal competition is promoted but they protect their industries against international competitors. Haven't you heard of trade war between US and China especially in the steel and automotive sectors? Free market economy is why Africa became the dumping ground for "waste" and substandard products from Asia and the West. The problem with you crop of phantom intelligentsia in Africa is that you embrace the diagnosis wholeheartedly and take the prescriptions of your masters. You ignorantly believe that it is the best which explains why World Bank and IMF have never led any developing nation to prosperity. How is Dangote Refinery PLC monopolizing an industry in which competitors (NNPCL and co.) refuse to open for operation? / |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by koyeni(m): 2:06pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Just like someone said earlier 'if they explain Nigeria to you and you understand, dem no explain am well' We've seen several threads on fp here where people are very happy that Dangote's refinery would be a game changer. I've known it won't be easy. Anything that will alleviate the plight of the common man and make life easier will always be frustrated Our leaders are the problem |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by malali: 2:06pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Eriokanmi:I took my time to explain monopoly to you, hoping you would comprehend, i have attached diagrams to help, when you own 60-70% market share in a company it is called monopoly all over the world. There are laws against these in USA, and other countries, they prevent even big companies from from buying each other not to control the market. Dangote controls the cement market in Nigeria 100%. The remaining business cannot compete with him due to his large market share.
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| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by waveman2: 2:07pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
Even in countries where there are refineries existing they still import fuel.so I don't understand all the noise dangote is trying to make.He should be talking to the govt about how to remove bottlenecks to enable price of his product competitive, like excessive taxes etc what he did with cement he wants to repeat it with his refinery. |
| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by ojuu4u(m): 2:09pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
malali:Ur daddy is not rich,yet, someone who is risking his investiment to rescue a colapsed country ,you are posting trash, to surpot nonsense, claiming concerned nigeria. Offcourse, since u dnt see beyond Nigeria and ur percepective is grosslly bias and myopic. I will indulge you to study, 2 most advnced economies and how they are surporting their own citizens, to fix personal business, which they know,it would be a beneficiary to the country in the long run. Chech below and see what President Bush did for "General motors" during his time, and create time for urself to read several stimulus packages that Bush predecessor, Obama did after Bush left office.
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| Re: Akinwumi Adesina Says This Dangote Issue Is Shocking - Otedola by malali: 2:13pm On Jul 23, 2024 |
InvertedHammer:I couldn't make sense of most of your response, but i will present you evidence that the highlighted portion is not true. See attached group of refineries in the USA who are foreigners associated with the USA company. USA encourages open market, there are rules and safety measures but there is an open market. Because open market fosters genuine growth.
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