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After introducing Himself to the man called Abram God signed a deal with him for a purpose {Genesis 12:1-3} the promise is to use the descendants of Abram for a global campaign in order to save mankind in general.

Abram didn't know what the plan was but he believes something needs to be done to rescue mankind from slavery to sickness and death so he agreed with this spirit who called Himself the Almighty God. Exodus 6:3

Later Abraham had eight children and God told him that the promises will be fulfilled through one of his son called Isaac {Genesis 17:18-21} Isaac also had two sons and God told him that the promise has been transferred to Jacob (Isaac's second son)


Jacob had twelve sons and there was trouble in Jacob's family due to the gift of dreams found in the second to the last born of his son known as Joseph but did God passed the promise to Joseph? NO! It supposed to be given to each first born in the family unless the first born proves to be unworthy of the purpose. Jacob's first, second and third sons proved to be unworthy so the promise was transferred to his fourth son called "Judah"

But if God wants to deliver mankind through the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob then why was He destroying the people of the nations before the Israelites?

To be continued....

God didn't destroy any nation on purpose. He only destroyed those who opposed and attacked the children of Israel.

Ken4Christ:
God destroyed those who opposed and attacked the children of Israel.

WHY?

Nations do attack and oppose nations from time immemorial but the Bible God never intervened except when any nation does the same to the Israelites.
WHY?

What makes the Israelites so special if it's the same God that created all of us why defend only the nation of Israel?

Why did God keep on destroying the nations that comes up against the Israelites?

The promise of salvation for entire human race will be fulfilled through one of the descendants of Judah and the remaining tribes of Israel must support this promised child to take the life saving message to all the nations of the earth {Matthew 28:19-20} so if the nations are allowed to wipe out the Israelites including the lineage God promised to bring fought this child then it simply means He is no longer the Almighty! Isaiah 55:10-11

So the Israelites became a special possession for the true God out of all the other nations on this planet but if they should turn away from the contract given to their forefather Abraham, Isaac and Jacob then they are no longer special but will become just like any other people who have no business with the true God! Exodus 19:5

The people continued as a nation to keep the laws of the God of their forefathers but at a time ten tribes out of the twelve turned into idolaters worshiping the gods of the nations and God disowned them remaining just three tribes namely Judah, Benjamin and Levi.
Judah is the tribe through which David was born, Benjamin is the tribe that produced the first Israelite King (Saul) and Levi is the tribe God commanded to stay inside the temple until the Christ comes so these three tribes formed what the whole world know today as the Jews but as for the other ten tribes that broke away from the covenant they are totally lost till today they are the ones referred to as Samaritans during the time Jesus walked the earth, today Samaritans has been dismissed as if they were never part of the arrangement.

Jesus was able to pass the life saving message only to the Jews and commanded the few ones who accepted him wholeheartedly to take this message to all the nations of the earth! Act 1:8

So why must any living Jew accept Jesus today as the Christ?


To be continued....

MaxInDHouse:
Why did God keep on destroying the nations that comes up against the Israelites?

The promise of salvation for entire human race will be fulfilled through one of the descendants of Judah and the remaining tribes of Israel must support this promised child to take the life saving message to all the nations of the earth {Matthew 28:19-20} so if the nations are allowed to wipe out the Israelites including the lineage God promised to bring fought this child then it simply means He is no longer the Almighty! Isaiah 55:10-11

So the Israelites became a special possession for the true God out of all the other nations on this planet but if they should turn away from the contract given to their forefather Abraham, Isaac and Jacob then they are no longer special but will become just like any other people who have no business with the true God! Exodus 19:5

The people continued as a nation to keep the laws of the God of their forefathers but at a time ten tribes out of the twelve turned into idolaters worshiping the gods of the nations and God disowned them remaining just three tribes namely Judah, Benjamin and Levi.
Judah is the tribe through which David was born, Benjamin is the tribe that produced the first Israelite King (Saul) and Levi is the tribe God commanded to stay inside the temple until the Christ comes so these three tribes formed what the whole world know today as the Jews but as for the other ten tribes that broke away from the covenant they are totally lost till today they are the ones referred to as Samaritans during the time Jesus walked the earth, today Samaritans has been dismissed as if they were never part of the arrangement.

Jesus was able to pass the life saving message only to the Jews and commanded the few ones who accepted him wholeheartedly to take this message to all the nations of the earth! Act 1:8

So why must any living Jew accept Jesus today as the Christ?


To be continued....

Jesus is that life. He was not just a messenger sent to pass a message, he was both the messenger and the message.

Steep:
Jesus is that life. He was not just a messenger sent to pass a message, he was bothe the messenger and the message.

OK, your comment is noted but can you please just follow up if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute?

Why must all Jews accept Jesus today as Christ the only begotten Son of God?

Abraham never knew Jesus in person but he was so glad that God counted him worthy of becoming the great grandfather of the Savior {Matthew 1:2-16; Luke 3:23-34} so it was like seeing a city of refuge from a far distance! Hebrews 11:10 compare to John 8:56

So anytime a descendant of Abraham fall away from that arrangement it's like his or her name disappeares in the book of the living {Luke 20:37-38} that's why the descendants of Ishmael and the other six sons of Abraham became irrelevant regarding the arrangement.
The descendants of Esau were forgotten because they no longer follow the arrangement.
The descendants of Reuʹben, Simʹe·on, Isʹsa·char, Zebʹu·lun, Dan, Naphʹta·li; Gad, Ashʹer and Joseph are all lost today because they turned their backs on the arrangement after the death of Solomon remaining just three tribes namely Judah, Benjamin and Levi known today as JEWS.
Later the Jews were taken to Babylon due to their idolatry as a sign that there is no nation representing God's arrangement again until they were freed 70 years later and God continued to send prophets to them to keep them informed regarding the coming of Christ! {Zephaniah 2:2-3; 3:9; Zechariah 8:23; Malachi 4:1-6} in all of these the other ten tribes has been dismissed as if they're no longer children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

When Jesus walked the earth in the first century only few Jews welcomed his message 99% of Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth so what God said through Moses happened and the nation was condemned {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-39 compare to Deuteronomy 18:18-19} decades after Jesus' ascension to heaven the Romans came to Jerusalem, killed Jews in their millions, destroyed the city and ended the arrangement God had with any literal nation.

But what about Jesus' disciples who believe in what God's only begotten Son taught them?

Were they also destroyed with faithless Jews?

To be continued....

MaxInDHouse:
OK, your comment is noted but can you please just follow up if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute?

you saying what Muslims are saying that Jesus is just a messenger but in the bible Jesus is more than a messenger, He is the Son of God and God who became flesh, He is the message and the life, Jesus messenger is clear only through faith in him can anyone has eternal life.
Jesus is more than a message he is Almighty God who became flesh.

Steep:
you saying what Muslims are saying that Jesus is just a messenger but in the bible Jesus is more than a messenger, He is the Son of God and God who became flesh, He is the message and the life, Jesus message is clear only through faith in him can anyone has eternal life.
Jesus is more than a message he is Almighty God who became flesh.

Can you quote the highlighted in any of my thousands of posts on Nairaland?

What about Jesus' disciples who believe in what God's only begotten Son taught them?

Were they also destroyed with faithless Jews?

Jesus' disciples became like enemies of the nation of Israel because they were preaching and teaching about LOVE and PEACE just as their leaders did whereas the Jews viewed the Romans as their number one enemy nation to be wiped out once the Christ comes because according to the scriptures the Christ supposed to conquer all the nations of the world {Daniel 2:44} so that Jews can dominate them all and people of other nations who wants favor from God will have to depend on the Jews. Zechariah 8:23

But Jesus taught his disciples to humble themselves {Matthew 10:16} everywhere they go never to hurt anyone even if the people hurt them {Matthew 5:39} they're not expected to think of dominance {Luke 22:25-26} they are to imitate his spirit of humility! Luke 22:27

So the Jews hated Jesus and his disciples with passion to the extent of attacking them verbally and physically anywhere they find them! Act 13:55; 14:2, 19; 17:3

Jesus warned his disciples never to think of the city (Jerusalem) as God's favored city anymore because the inhabitants continued to treat God's servants badly {Matthew 21:43;23:37-39} it continued even till his own day and they even have the guts to condemn him calling down his blood upon them and their yet unborn generations! Matthew 27:25

So by the time Romans came to destroy the city the Christians have left Jerusalem because Jesus told them to flee anytime they notice the Roman armies coming up against Jerusalem! Luke 21:20

So today there is no special nation except the individuals from different locations on planet earth that come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} they are now speaking the same language of PEACE {Zephaniah 3:9} with these people God's purpose of preparing a people to become subjects under His Kingdom has been fulfilled. Therefore if any Jew lives anywhere on this planet expecting another Messiah let him know that even the disciples of Jesus and John the baptist who baptized Jesus felt he wasn't the right person but after seeing how all the promises of God are coming to fulfilment through Jesus of Nazareth they were moved to believe that he is the Son of the living God! Matthew 16:16

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote the highlighted in any of my thousands of posts on Nairaland?

I am speaking about what you jehovah witnesses generally believe and teach.
Dont You believe Jesus is just an angel (messenger)?

Steep:
I am speaking about what you jehovah witnesses generally believe and teach.
Dont You believe Jesus is just an angel (messenger)?

You see your problem?

So there has never been a time i typed what you claimed OK can you quote any JW on this forum who typed:
"Jesus is just a messenger"
on this forum?
Your lack of knowledge is affecting you badly and you don't know it if someone say Jesus was an angel in heaven does that translates to saying Jesus is juat a messenger?

Well for your information you're just like a Jew who once argued that Jesus can never be a servant or son of his God, WHY?
Because Jesus said
"God is JUST a spirit" {John 4:24} and since there are many spirits then Jesus knows nothing about his God.
How do you answer to that?

MaxInDHouse:
You see your problem?

So there has never been a time i typed what you claimed OK can you quote any JW on this forum who typed:
"Jesus is just a messenger"
on this forum?
Your lack of knowledge is affecting you badly and you don't know it if someone say Jesus was an angel in heaven does that translates to saying Jesus is juat a messenger?

Well for your information you're just like a Jew who once argued that Jesus can never be a servant or son of his God, WHY?
Because Jesus said
"God is JUST a spirit" {John 4:24} and since there are many spirits then Jesus knows nothing about his God.
How do you answer to that?

Don't you Jehovah witnesses teach that Jesus is just a messenger (angel)?

Steep:
Don't you Jehovah witnesses teach that Jesus is just a messenger (angel)?

Your problem is lack of understanding!

If i ask you to tell this forum the name of your own church now you will start saying you're a Christian yet there are thousands of different religions claiming the same with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so why not just stay on what i typed and leave the churches with contradictions for now?

Did the Bible say Jesus is a messenger of God?
YES!

MaxInDHouse:
Your problem is lack of understanding!

If i ask you to tell this forum the name of your own church now you will start saying you're a Christian yet there are thousands of different religions claiming the same with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so why not just stay on what i typed and leave the churches with contradictions for now?

Did the Bible say Jesus is a messenger of God?
YES!

The bible said he is more than a messenger, He is the God.

Steep:
The bible said he is more than a messenger, He is the God.

The highlighted shows that you're just a novice but anxious to a fault.

If you must know the Jews only believe books from Genesis to Malachi as for Matthew to Revelations they don't believe anything written so instead of arguing blindly based on what you can't prove using the Old Testament why not keep shut?

There is NO Bible verse from Genesis to Revelations that says:
"Jesus IS God"

So keep quiet and learn!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows that you're just a novice but anxious to a fault.

If you must know the Jews only believe books from Genesis to Malachi as for Matthew to Revelations they don't believe anything written so instead of arguing blindly based on what you can't prove using the Old Testament why not keep shut?

There is NO Bible verse from Genesis to Revelations that says:
"Jesus IS God"

So keep quiet and learn!

Jesus is God, John 1 vv1, in Revelation Jesus referred to himself as the begining and the end which is a title for God Almighty alone.
Jesus is said he is the life (eternal life).
So Jesus is more than a messenger, he is God Almighty.

Steep:
Jesus is God, John 1 vv1, in Revelation Jesus referred to himself as the begining and the end which is a title for God Almighty alone.
Jesus is said he is the life (eternal life).
So Jesus is more than a messenger, he God Almighty.

Guy Jesus is the Archangel Michael to me if you can't quote where the Bible explicitly says:

"Jesus is God"

Then it's stupid arguing over whatever others say about Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy Jesus is the Archangel Michael to me if you can't quote where the Bible explicitly says:

"Jesus is God"

Then it's stupid arguing over whatever others say about Jesus.

you have started coming direct. No Jesus is Almighty God!

Steep:
you have started coming direct. No Jesus is Almighty God!

Quote the scripture which says that explicitly.

If you cite verses and want to explain then i will also cite scriptures and explain why i say Jesus is the Archangel Michael.

It's as simple as that.

So stop waiting for support quote scriptures!

MaxInDHouse:
After introducing Himself to the man called Abram God signed a deal with him for a purpose {Genesis 12:1-3} the promise is to use the descendants of Abram for a global campaign in order to save mankind in general.

Abram didn't know what the plan was but he believes something needs to be done to rescue mankind from slavery to sickness and death so he agreed with this spirit who called Himself the Almighty God. Exodus 6:3

Later Abraham had eight children and God told him that the promises will be fulfilled through one of his son called Isaac {Genesis 17:18-21} Isaac also had two sons and God told him that the promise has been transferred to Jacob (Isaac's second son)


Jacob had twelve sons and there was trouble in Jacob's family due to the gift of dreams found in the second to the last born of his son known as Joseph but did God passed the promise to Joseph? NO! It supposed to be given to each first born in the family unless the first born proves to be unworthy of the purpose. Jacob's first, second and third sons proved to be unworthy so the promise was transferred to his fourth son called "Judah"

But if God wants to deliver mankind through the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob then why was He destroying the people of the nations before the Israelites?

To be continued....

I opened a thread sometimes ago titled "the letter killeth" This is exactly what I knew was the position of people. To interpret scriptures that was meant to be understood as allegory, taken as literal.
Contrary to popular knowledge, the Torah was not written by Moses, it was written by Ezra when they returned home to their land after the Babylonians exile. Ezra was the one who created Judaism as the national religion of the Jews.
Some of (like 80%) of the info was drawn from the Babylonian myths. It is still about the two brothers Enlil and Enki, who would be Esau and Jacob. The stories are the same, the only difference is who is telling the stories.
Esau (Enlil )represent the left hand side of God while Jacob(Enki) represent the right hand side of God. Just like Enlil that him, his son's and daughters where not favourable to Marduk, Esau and his son's and daughters where not favourable to the Lord God.
Like I always teach, God is the universal divine consciousness. That is within us all( let us make man in our image after our likeness...and God breathed into his nostrils and man became a living being) whatever God breathed into man is the same image and likeness as God while the body is same image and likeness as the earth...(Hence the "US " above is the Lord God and the earth).
When people become woke it simply means they realize the God they have been wasting their time going to church and mosque to worship is actually within...
Genesis continues by building and developing us in other for us to arrive at the promised land( being woke), the story of oran not impregnating his brother's wife teaches us about the dangers of pleasures without responsibility, while that of Abraham slaughtering the kings, represent elimination of the 6 deadly sins within us.( I.e lust, envy..etc).
The children of Esau are the originators of those cities that the Israelites where told to destroy. They represent the negative characters. So we must destroy them. The Amalakites represent doubt. We must totally eliminate doubt within us. We have more power than we think we do.
I think I have said much. Anybody who really wants to learn can ask follow up questions. I will oblige them..

Thanks.
The woke man.

_{God is man awake. Man is God asleep}

sonmvayina:
Torah was not written by Moses, it was written by Ezra

So what laws was given to the Israelites and when?

MaxInDHouse:
So what laws was given to the Israelites and when?

The ones found in the Torah

God sent them to Babylon to learn about him. God use Nebuchadnezzar' to bring everyone to Babylon so they would learn about him. In case you don't know Nebuchadnezzar was God's Messiah. Jeremiah was prophesying for him that's why he was thrown in prison.
Just like people go to Europe and America for financial reasons, people went to Babylon in the old days to acquire spiritual knowledge....
Then later on, God raised another Messiah in the person of Cyrus to free all his captives and sent them home...Cyrus asked Ezra and some priest who where knowledgeable in the laws of God to write the Torah....and take home to teach his people..

sonmvayina:
God use Nebuchadnezzar' to bring everyone to Babylon.

Who asked people around him to bow down before an image? Exodus 20:4-5

MaxInDHouse:
Who asked people around him to bow down before an image? Exodus 20:4-5

No..that's a different Nebuchadnezzar..

There where up to 4 Babylonian king with that title..

I think the one who erected the statue has to be The 4th, during the time of Daniel.

The Jews don't believe in Jesus because doing so would be idolatry because Jesus is supposed to be a man and that would be breaking God's commandments especially 1 and 2.

I don't think we should believe in Jesus either.
I think to a large extent, that's why we are suffering in Nigeria, and why God is giving us leaders who don't care for us.

Idolatry is an abomination in God's eyes. We all should desist from it. God has given every man the surest way to get to him/ know who we are...The igbo omenani/odinani and the yorubas Ifa...we abandoned it for a white man that was nailed to a wood.
I thought by name we would have been wise...but, trust the black man.

MaxInDHouse:
WHY?

If he didn't, the nation of Israel would have been extinct long before now.

sonmvayina:
No..that's a different Nebuchadnezzar..
There where up to 4 Babylonian king with that title..I think the one who erected the statue has to be The 4th, during the time of Daniel.

Was Nebuchadnezzar a name or title like Caesar?

sonmvayina:
The Jews don't believe in Jesus because doing so would be idolatry because Jesus is supposed to be a man and that would be breaking God's commandments especially 1 and 2.

Did the Jews believe in Moses?
Is Moses not a man?

Ken4Christ:
If he didn't, the nation of Israel would have been extinct long before now.

Most nations back then has been extinct and the Israelites were the major factor that caused it.
So why is the spirit claiming "GOD ALMIGHTY" backing just one nation against all the others if He is the Creator of all?