₦airaland Forum

DeepsightX:
Gracious and accepted. You are a worthy discussant.



Hahahahahaha! Well, I have noticed your clear critique of Tinubu and it is lucid and balanced.



You know, Nigeria alone is more ethnically and linguistically diverse than the whole of Europe. If it took Europe centuries of war to settle down, I wonder what it will take us. The last election showed how divided we still are.

No. The problem is this political machinery called APC. It is founded on very narrow and prebendary principles. I believe it's more of the NPC of the 60s whose cardinal principle was North first but whose goal was the acquisition of power.
APC has achieved a convergence of politicians around the allure of power and its trappings while engendering the divergence of the populace on primordial ground that the leaders and enablers of APC do not allow among themselves.

As for Tinubu, he's the most opportunistic politician we have had in this country. He has no qualms bending to any sentiments as long as it aligns with his interest. His abrogation of the success of Lagos to himself and repudiation of the Buhari presidency was crass opportunism. Same with his Muslim Muslim fanatical ticket which he doesn't even believe in. Tell me, do you think if Tinubu was governor of Osun or Ekiti, he should fare better than those who governed those states? Has Lagos suffered a dearth of good administrators before Tinubu? Tinubu's bigoted and biased followers will be quick to claim Tinubu made Lagos the fourth largest economy in Africa without pointing to any policy that made that happen but they forget that Lagos is a microcosm of Nigeria and is affected by whatever befalls Nigeria whether good or bad. Look at what's happening now. With his massive failure at the national level, his supporters are understanding and reflective; a benefit they never extended for any of his predecessors. The earlier reasonable people start to speak up against APC the better for the country.

Kukutente23:
No. The problem is this political machinery called APC. It is founded on very narrow and prebendary principles. I believe it's more of the NPC of the 60s whose cardinal principle was North first but whose goal was the acquisition of power.
APC has achieved a convergence of politicians around the allure of power and its trappings while engendering the divergence of the populace on primordial ground that the leaders and enablers of APC do not allow among themselves.

As for Tinubu, he's the most opportunistic politician we have had in this country. He has no qualms bending to any sentiments as long as it aligns with his interest. His abrogation of the success of Lagos to himself and repudiation of the Buhari presidency was crass opportunism. Same with his Muslim Muslim fanatical ticket which he doesn't even believe in. Tell me, do you think if Tinubu was governor of Osun or Ekiti, he should fare better than those who governed those states? Has Lagos suffered a dearth of good administrators before Tinubu? Tinubu's bigoted and biased followers will be quick to claim Tinubu made Lagos the fourth largest economy in Africa without pointing to any policy that made that happen but they forget that Lagos is a microcosm of Nigeria and is affected by whatever befalls Nigeria whether good or bad. Look at what's happening now. With his massive failure at the national level, his supporters are understanding and reflective; a benefit they never extended for any of his predecessors. The earlier reasonable people start to speak up against APC the better for the country.

Well said bro.

Kukutente23:
Word!!

Eugenics started in America, for example. Henry Ford and others were Nazi Sympathizers.

The brutal treatment of African migrants in the Arab countries of North Africa and the virulent racism they are subjected to, on daily basis, are a product of utter contempt and extreme hatred of black people in Arab societies which are inherently racist.

Arabs have absolutely no respect - let alone compassion - for black people. They want to dominate black African countries and are determined to do so in order to serve their own interests at the expense of Africans. They don't even call themselves "Africans." The term "Africans" or "African" applies only to black people they insist. They say they are "Arab," which they are, and members of the Arab world, not of the African world, which is true.

There are African leaders who have been blunt about Arab intentions to dominate Africa. They have unequivocally stated that Arabs are only concerned about their well-being and don't care about black people. Black African countries are there for them to conquer and take over; with black people working for them as slaves, as they have for hundreds of years. Even today, Arabs still call Africans "slaves," and were they come from, Black Africa, "land of slaves."

The most prominent African leaders who were blunt about Arab bad intentions to dominate Africa were Obafemi Awolowo and Anthony Enahoro. Among African president, it was Dr. Hastings Kamuzu Banda of Malawi, Leopold Sedar Senghor of Senegal, and Yoweri Museveni of Uganda whose position on Arab intentions in Africa is a very strong warning to Black Africa on what will happen if Africans are not careful, very careful, when dealing with Arabs. They are going to take over African countries.

Even Nyerere, who was a close friend of Gamal Abdel Nasser and worked with him as much as he did with Nkrumah and Sekou Toure on African liberation, warned Black Africa not long before he died that Arab North Africa - and other people outside Africa - don't care about their well-being of African countries south of the Sahara. As he out it: "Africa south of the Sahara is on its own."

Nkrumah also was warned by George Padmore, his adviser on African affairs, to be careful in his dealings with Arabs; they couldn't be trusted. Even African Americans who went to live in Egypt when Nasser was president were expelled soon after Nasser died and was succeeded by Anwar Sadat. Among those expelled was Shirley Graham Du Bois, wife of Dr. W.e.B. Du Bois. She was invited by Nyerere to go and live in Tanzania. She became a citizen of Tanzania and died a Tanzanian. Her husband Dr. Du Bois died a citizen of Ghana. Nyerere also invited Nkrumah to go and live in Tanzania after he was overthrown but went to, Guinea, instead, at the invitation of Sekou Toure, saying he wanted to be closer to Ghana to monitor events in his home country after his ouster hoping he would be reinstated.

After Nasser died, Egypt no longer maintained close ties with any black African country and his successor, Sadat, is on record insulting and making fun of African countries. He never had any close ties with Nyerere and Sekou Toure the way Nasser did. His contempt for Black Africa is a matter of record.

Dr. Banda was explicit in his criticism and condemnation of Arabs in Africa. He said they were "foreigners and imperialists" just like the whites in South Africa and there was no difference, none whatsoever, between the two. He went on to say he would have liked to form an army specifically for the purpose of sending the soldiers to Sudan to help blacks fight the Arabs who were oppressing and killing them but couldn't do so because he just didn't have the money.

Like Banda, President Senghor also said Arabs were imperialists but Africans would resist any attempt to conquer them.

Museveni in an interview on Hardtalk, BBC, said Arabs wanted to dominate Africans and that the two were different people.

Here is the position of Awolowo and Enahoro on Arabs in Africa:

"Awolowo and the AG published an official statement on the guiding principles of their foreign policy....The paper, 'Foreign Policy of Independent Nigeria,' included a strong condemnation of encroaching Arab influence in Africa, and particularly Nasser's hegemonic control:

'It is clear that President Nasser will only tolerate an Arab leader for the continent of Africa. He is apparently convinced that the black peoples of Africa are backward and that Egypt has a mission of leadership to fulfil on the Continent of Africa.

The Action Group considers that this is the height of folly and short-sightedness to have close political association with Egypt, so long as President Nasser holds sway in that country.'" - (Quoted in Willie Molesi, Black Africa versus Arab North Africa: The Great Divide, p. 132).

“Obafemi Awolowo...had his disdain for the Arab world....He did not consider Egypt part of Africa and particularly detested the Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser, whom he accused of 'undisguised totalitarianism at home and territorial ambitions in Africa and the Muslim world.' As Ibrahim Gambari has noted, Awolowo's party spokesman on foreign affairs, Anthony Enahoro, wanted Arab North Africa excluded from any discussion on pan-Africanism.” - (Quoted in Willie Molesi, Black Africa versus Arab North Africa: The Great Divide, p. 133).

“Influential Southern leaders such as Chief Awolowo, head of the third major Nigerian political party, detested Nasser's Egypt and the Arab world. He did not really consider Egypt an African country and accused Nasser of 'undisguised totalitarianism (at home) and territorial ambitions in Africa and the Muslim world.' Chief Awolowo's deputy and main spokesman on foreign affairs, Anthony Enahoro, wanted the exclusion of Arab North African countries from discussions of, and meetings about, Pan-Africanism.” (Quoted in Willie Molesi, Black Africa versus Arab North Africa: The Great Divide, pp. 133 - 134).

Kamuzu Banda:

“In a speech to the Malawi Congress Party in September, 1968, he complained that only a lack of funds prevented him from raising a national army to fight alongside Africans against Arabs in the Sudan because he thought Africans in Southern Sudan were being murdered by the Arabs, yet African leaders did not lift a finger in protest.

'There is no difference whatsoever between the Whites in South Africa and the Arabs in the Sudan. Both are settlers – foreigners and imperialists,' he declared....Dr. Banda declined to attend the OAU Summit Conference in September on the ground of its being held in Algiers.” - Willie Molesi, Black Africa versus Arab North Africa: The Great Divide, p. 134).

Yoweri Museveni:

“Black Africans are humble people, we never impose our views on anybody else, we are not like Europeans or Arabs who want to impose their views.

I normally tell people that when I hear Arabs talking of haram (something that is forbidden), something which is haram, I always tell them that my history of haram is much longer than that one of the Arabs....I don't eat very many of those things you people eat....But I keep this to myself. This is the difference with the black people....

Those jihadists (who killed more than 70 people in the Ugandan capital Kampala in July 2010) are really non-African in their attitudes. I have told you about the attitude of the black people....Our Moslems do not engage in that type of chauvinism. They keep their views to themselves, so do Christians, so do traditional groups. That's how we live in harmony....

We are ready to work together to defeat these foreigners who are coming with these chauvinistic ideas from the Middle East to implant them in our continent. In our continent, we black people, we live and let live. We never try to impose our views on anybody else.” - (Quoted in Willie Molesi, Black Africa verus Arab North Africa: The Great Divide, p. 21).

Nyerere:

“North Africa is to Europe what Mexico is to the United States. North Africans who have no jobs will not go to Nigeria; they’ll be thinking of Europe or the Middle East, because of the imperatives of geography and history and religion and language. North Africa is part of Europe and the Middle East.

Nasser was a great leader and a great African leader. I got on extremely well with him. Once he sent me a minister, and I had a long discussion with his minister at the State House here, and in the course of the discussion, the minister says to me, 'Mr. President, this is my first visit to Africa.'

North Africa, because of the pull of the Mediterranean, and I say, history and culture, and religion, North Africa is pulled towards the North. When North Africans look for jobs, they go to Western Europe and southern Western Europe, or they go to the Middle East.

And Europe has a specific policy for North Africa, specific policy for North Africa. It’s not only about development; it’s also about security. Because of you don’t do something about North Africa, they’ll come.

Africa, south of the Sahara, is different; totally different. If you have no jobs here in Tanzania, where do you go? The Japanese have no fear that you people will flock to Japan. The North Americans have no fear that you people will flock to North America. Not even from West Africa. The Atlantic, the Atlantic as an ocean, like the Mediterranean, it has its own logic. But links North America and Western Europe, not North America and West Africa.

Africa south of the Sahara is isolated. That is the first point I want to make. South of the Sahara is totally isolated in terms of that configuration of developing power in the world in the 21st century - on its own. There is no centre of power in whose self-interest it’s important to develop Africa, no centre. Not North America, not Japan, not Western Europe. There’s no self-interest to bother about Africa south of the Sahara. Africa south of the Sahara is on its own. Na si jambo baya. Those of you who don’t know Kiswahili, I just whispered, 'Not necessarily bad.'

That’s the first thing I wanted to say about Africa south of the Sahara. African leadership, the coming African leadership, will have to bear that in mind. You are on your own....

So that’s the first thing I wanted to say about Africa south of the Sahara. Africa south of the Sahara in those terms is isolated....

The second point about Africa, and again I am talking about Africa south of the Sahara; it is fragmented, fragmented. From the very beginning of independence 40 years ago, we were against that idea, that the continent is so fragmented. We called it the Balkanisation of Africa. Today, I think the Balkans are talking about the Africanisation of Europe. Africa’s states are too many, too small, some make no logic, whether political logic or ethnic logic or anything. They are non-viable....

Africa south of the Sahara is isolated. Therefore, to develop, it will have to depend upon its own resources basically. Internal resources, nationally; and Africa will have to depend upon Africa. The leadership of the future will have to devise, try to carry out policies of maximum national self-reliance and maximum collective self-reliance. They have no other choice....

The small countries in Africa must move towards either unity or co-operation, unity of Africa. The leadership of the future, of the 21st century, should have less respect, less respect for this thing called “national sovereignty.” I’m not saying take up arms and destroy the state, no! This idea that we must preserve the Tanganyika, then preserve the Kenya as they are, is nonsensical!

The nation-states we in Africa, have inherited from Europe. They are the builders of the nation-states par excellence. For centuries they fought wars! The history of Europe, the history of the building of Europe is a history of war. And sometimes their wars when they get hotter although they’re European wars, they call them world wars. And we all get involved. We fight even in Tanganyika here, we fought here, one world war.

These Europeans, powerful, where little Belgium is more powerful than the whole of Africa south of the Sahara put together; these powerful European states are moving towards unity, and you people are talking about the atavism of the tribe, this is nonsense! I am telling you people. How can anybody think of the tribe as the unity of the future?....

Europe now, you can take it almost as God-given, Europe is not going to fight with Europe anymore. The Europeans are not going to take up arms against Europeans. They are moving towards unity - even the little, the little countries of the Balkans which are breaking up, Yugoslavia breaking up, but they are breaking up at the same time the building up is taking place. They break up and say we want to come into the bigger unity.

So there’s a building movement, there’s a building of Europe. These countries which have old, old sovereignties, countries of hundreds of years old; they are forgetting this, they are moving towards unity. And you people, you think Tanzania is sacred? What is Tanzania!

You have to move towards unity.... If we can’t move towards bigger nation-states, at least let’s move towards greater co-operation. This is beginning to happen. And the new leadership in Africa should encourage it....Please accept the logic of coming together.” - (Quoted in Willie Molesi, Black Africa versus Arab North Africa: The Great Divide, pp. 25 - 28).

DeepsightX:
Well said bro.

From one bully to another

DeepsightX:
Please do not descend to the level of those who presume where one comes from simply on account of one's advocacy for or against a political matter. This here looks just like that and is mildly dissapointing. I am neither Igbo nor Yoruba - and I do not support the idea of Biafra.

But you descended to the level of perjury by calling me a murderer..nice thing for a lawyer to do

nairalanda1:
But you descended to the level of perjury by calling me a murderer..nice thing for a lawyer to do

Perjury is a lie under oath.
Dont you have anything better to do than scouring my profile?

DeepsightX:
Perjury is a lie under oath.
Dont you have anything better to do than scouring my profile?

Well calling people names shows that you are not mature, but petty, bitter and a teenage bully.

Obviously your parents practiced permisssive upbringing sans discipline on you. They just let you do as you wished, you know

nairalanda1:
Well calling people names shows that you are not mature, but petty, bitter and a teenage bully.

Obviously your parents practiced permisssive upbringing sans discipline on you. They just let you do as you wished, you know

This is now a case of stalking.

DeepsightX:
This is now a case of stalking.

I'm just trying to tell you that you need to get married to five more wives

DeepsightX:
This is now a case of stalking.

No, just me telling you that there are consequences for every action

And yes , you know what you did

nairalanda1:
I'm just trying to tell you that you need to get married to five more wives

Go away Iblis, I am tired.

DeepsightX:


Go away Iblis, I am tired.

Ah, you are calling me by a name that isn't mine.

Obviously you do need some help .

Physician, heal thyself

DeepsightX:


Go away Iblis, I am tired.

Okay, ten concibines

DeepsightX:
You are a servant and clear agent of Iblis.

First you called me Iblis, then you called me his servant?

Can one be the servant of himself?

Are you sure everything is tip top in your astral plane?

Better get it checked...it could do you a world of good.

DeepsightX:
You are a servant and clear agent of Iblis.

I got him.

DeepsightX:
Gracious and accepted. You are a worthy discussant.



Hahahahahaha! Well, I have noticed your clear critique of Tinubu and it is lucid and balanced.



You know, Nigeria alone is more ethnically and linguistically diverse than the whole of Europe. If it took Europe centuries of war to settle down, I wonder what it will take us. The last election showed how divided we still are.

See how much birds of a feather flock together....bullies tend to behave like that too.

DeepsightX:
Perjury is a lie under oath.
Dont you have anything better to do than scouring my profile?

Yeah, call on you to apologise for calling me a murderer.

Until I see that apology, can't stop, won't stop

And you also have to be nice. It does not cost too much to be a nice person.

nairalanda1:
See how much birds of a feather flock together....bullies tend to behave like that too.

Because he was sane enough to identify you for who you are?

DeepsightX:
You are a servant and clear agent of Iblis.

Says an atheist...so you do believe in all that religion stuff.

DeepsightX:
Because he was sane enough to identify you for who you are?

SO, if your child is bullied, you will support the bully to keep on bullying your child.

Thanks for telling me who you really are, old man.

nairalanda1:
Yeah, call on you to apologise for calling me a murderer.

Until I see that apology, can't stop, won't stop

And you also have to be nice. It does not cost too much to be a nice person.

No apology until you empathize with those who are dying of hunger due to caorruption and sadistic murderous policies.

nairalanda1:
Says an atheist...so you do believe in all that religion stuff.

I am not an atheist.

DeepsightX:
No apology until you empathize with those who are dying of hunger due to caorruption and sadistic murderous policies.

You can make your point without being abusive, dear boy.

You do have an abuse and bullying problem, and it is eating you from within, better RESIST.

DeepsightX:
I am not an atheist.

Then you follow Iblis, since you can identify him easily....or are you saying I am not really IBlis...because followers of iblis know their master best of all.?

DeepsightX:
No apology until you empathize with those who are dying of hunger due to caorruption and sadistic murderous policies.

So, you admit that my comments affect millions, therefore you think i am a god.

Either you bow down before me, or you admit that this is riddiculous.

Thank you chief Azikiwe. Here we are now.

DeepsightX:
Iblis works through you, so do Asmodeus, Beelzebub, Baphomet and Rinwretcharia.

At the end, calling other people names does not do anything in the conviction states

It just makes you look like a petty little girl.

You are not that, you are a mature adult, so better behave like one.

I am not a god, as you seem to think I am

DeepsightX:
No apology until you empathize with those who are dying of hunger due to caorruption and sadistic murderous policies.

So you call people who disagree with you murderer?

Oh dear.

DeepsightX:
Because he was sane enough to identify you for who you are?

Do you abuse everyone who disagrees with you?

That's antisocial behavior