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Brendaniel:
So what if the leader rigs himself into power?

Is that still the responsibility of the citizens?

What? A leader rigs himself into power where we the citizens are not stupid and sleeping?

Sorry, but I don't see how that happens.

But if we the citizens are so stupid and sleeping and irresponsible that some individuals can now come from Mars and rig themselves into power over us, then we most definitely deserve what ever rubbish we are served by them and I hope it is very painful so we weep tears of blood. For that pain is what will make us wake up and not be stupid and irresponsible next time or until we learn to protect our democracy so no one can come and rig themselves into power over us.

Incidentally, the time when some "leader rigs himself into power" over us was when the British rigged themselves into power over us, or perhaps when military ruled. If we can't count the votes we cast under democracy so the rightful person leads, we are the irresponsible ones that rigged and allowed our democracy to be rigged, and we better wake up quick time so we don't end up as slaves to martians from outer space!

budaatum:
What? A leader rigs himself into power where we the citizens are not stupid and sleeping?

Sorry, but I don't see how that happens.

But if we the citizens are so stupid and sleeping and irresponsible that some individuals can now come from Mars and rig themselves into power over us, then we most definitely deserve what ever rubbish we are served by them and I hope it is very painful so we weep tears of blood. For that pain is what will make us wake up and not be stupid and irresponsible next time or until we learn to protect our democracy so no one can come and rig themselves into power over us.

Incidentally, the time when some "leader rigs himself into power" over us was when the British rigged themselves into power over us, or perhaps when military ruled. If we can't count the votes we cast under democracy so the rightful person leads, we are the irresponsible ones that rigged and allowed our democracy to be rigged, and we better wake up quick time so we don't end up as slaves to martians from outer space!

Many leaders in Nigeria have rigged themselves into power, for example the former SSG to Amaechi said they were writing results from their houses, if he didbt say it who would know? so what if that is what most of the leaders have been doing?

so how would you know or want the citizens to know who rigged and who didn't trig?

budaatum:
The person who mentioned buying a Lexus ES 330 2006 already bought one for 3.6m, and there are lots of people out there currently finding ways to buy one now for 9m.

In fact, if the person who bought one for 3.6m waits a little, they'd likely be able to sell it for 18 and then buy a cheaper car than a Lexus.

We are not all unsmart, you see. Some might "sign up to piggy vest" to increase their income.

Na so e easy to do business with mouth

Brendaniel:
Many leaders in Nigeria have rigged themselves into power, for example the former SSG to Amaechi said they were writing results from their houses, if he didbt say it who would know? so what if that is what most of the leaders have been doing?

so how would you know or want the citizens to know who rigged and who didn't trig?

I did mention we are bad governors of ourselves. That includes ensuring riggers don't rig themselves into power over us. And if some are rigging themselves into power overs us, then its our fault for being insufficiently diligent and irresponsible.

Hopefully we'd learn to be diligent and responsible instead of hoping riggers suddenly get godly unrigging hearts. Its after all we who would be wailing due to our irresponsibility and indiligence, while the riggers go on to loot the treasury for their own selfish benefit.

nedu666:
Na so e easy to do business with mouth

Business is never easy. That's why most don't do business and most who do fail.

Owning a Lexus ES 330 2006 is not for those who think anything is easy, not to talk of doing business with 10.

budaatum:
I did mention we are bad governors of ourselves. That includes ensuring riggers don't rig themselves into power over us. And if some are rigging themselves into power overs us, then its our fault for being insufficiently diligent and irresponsible.

Hopefully we'd learn to be diligent and responsible instead of hoping riggers suddenly get godly unrigging hearts. Its after all we who would be wailing due to our irresponsibility and indiligence, while the riggers go on to loot the treasury for their own selfish benefit.

So how do you stop a sitting governor who is writing the election result inside the government house with the INEC chairman ready to announce the result for him ?

Brendaniel:
So how do you stop a sitting governor who is writing the election result inside the government house with the INEC chairman ready to announce the result for him ?

Why let the governor sit in the first place? Were you sleeping when you were electing him to sit?

And what evidence do you have that the INEC chairman was ready to announce the result for him? Would you also claim the judge in the court you take the evidence to is working for the sitting governor too, and the one in the appeal court?

Sorry, but I'm not buying the level of ignorance and stupidity you are here suggesting people have.

One thing I do know happens a lot in Nigeria is many people are convinced their vote doesn't count and the winner is a rigger. The consequence of such a belief is the people do not bother to go and vote, while the sitting governor makes sure his people vote and he wins the election while the loser yells rigged and cooks up the narrative you cooked up above.

Regardless, diligence on your part would ensure rigging doesn't happen or happens less, instead of what you are doing here which is the equivalent of not protecting your stuff then blaming the competent thief for stealing from you.

budaatum:
Why let the governor sit in the first place? Were you sleeping when you were electing him to sit?

And what evidence do you have that the INEC chairman was ready to announce the result for him? Would you also claim the judge in the court you take the evidence to is working for the sitting governor too, and the one in the appeal court?

Sorry, but I'm not buying the level of ignorance and stupidity you are here suggesting people have.

One thing I do know happens a lot in Nigeria is many people are convinced their vote doesn't count and the winner is a rigger. The consequence of such a belief is the people do not bother to go and vote, while the sitting governor makes sure his people vote and he wins the election while the loser yells rigged and cooks up the narrative you cooked up above.

Regardless, diligence on your part would ensure rigging doesn't happen or happens less, instead of what you are doing here which is the equivalent of not protecting your stuff then blaming the competent thief for stealing from you.

So the violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo was not the use of force against voters or the case where the court made number 4 become no1 in Imo?

What would you do in such cases?
THIS ARE 1ST TIME GOVERNORS...

Vianna:
Sheath your swords and give tinubu more time. Nigeria is far better than what you think.

e no go better for you, you no go die better death... You will experience the sufferings and hardship of all Nigerian for all eternity.

But you are free from this curses if indeed Nigeria is better and the people are not suffering as a result of Tinubu's policies as you claimed

You are cursed forever! No spirit or power will undo it.

Watch and see.

Brendaniel:
So the violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo was not the use of force against voters or the case where the court made number 4 become no1 in Imo?

What would you do in such cases?
THIS ARE 1ST TIME GOVERNORS...

The violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo was not the use of force by voters against voters who wouldn't vote for Ododo.

And if the court made number 4 become no1 in Imo, number 1 was not number 1. In fact, what the heck were number 2 and 3 doing if what you claim were true?

Regardless, and assuming your claims are true, Who would I be in such cases? The person who lost the election or the person who's one vote was robbed?

If the former, I would simply be more diligent next time in organising my party so we are not so easily robbed, and I will try to get more people to vote for me and ensure their vote is counted for me, and I will ask my electoral agents to be more vigilant and collect evidence of any infringements, and I will hire good lawyers to argue my case in court too.

And if I am the person who's one vote was robbed, I'd organise all those like me who were robbed to be more vigilant next time and try to be electoral officers who'd ensure our votes are not stolen.

I would not be the only one who will suffer if the elections in my constituency are not credible abd reliable, so hopefully we'd all fight to ensure they are or we'd all suffer the consequences if it isn't.

budaatum:
The violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo was not the use of force by voters against voters who wouldn't vote for Ododo.

And if the court made number 4 become no1 in Imo, number 1 was not number 1. In fact, what the heck were number 2 and 3 doing if what you claim were true?

Regardless, and assuming your claims are true, Who would I be in such cases? The person who lost the election or the person who's one vote was robbed?

If the former, I would simply be more diligent next time in organising my party so we are not so easily robbed, and I will try to get more people to vote for me and ensure their vote is counted for me, and I will ask my electoral agents to be more vigilant and collect evidence of any infringements, and I will hire good lawyers to argue my case in court too.

And if I am the person who's one vote was robbed, I'd organise all those like me who were robbed to be more vigilant next time and try to be electoral officers who'd ensure our votes are not stolen.

I would not be the only one who will suffer if the elections in my constituency are not credible abd reliable, so hopefully we'd all fight to ensure they are or we'd all suffer the consequences if it isn't.

You don't live in Nigeria ....

Brendaniel:
You don't live in Nigeria ....

Probably why I am responsible and not so powerless, and why I am telling you what nations that run successful democracies have had to do since they too faced the difficulties Nigeria currently faces.

We've only been democratic for 24 or so years and have quite a lot to learn.

budaatum:
Probably why I am responsible and not so powerless, and why I am telling you what nations that run successful democracies have had to do since they too faced the difficulties Nigeria currently faces.

We've only been democratic for 24 or so years and have quite a lot to learn.

Please don't get me provoked, I've been wondering why your comments were so out of touch with realities about Nigeria, please don't just get me provoked, any suggestion you give that you yourself will not come down to Nigeria to spearhead yourself will not be taken seriously, please don't just get me provoked, I'm actually controlling the words I am using on you now....

Brendaniel:
Please don't get me provoked, I've been wondering why your comments were so out of touch with realities about Nigeria, please don't just get me provoked, any suggestion you give that you yourself will not come down to Nigeria to spearhead yourself will not be taken seriously, please don't just get me provoked, I'm actually controlling the words I am using on you now....

Please be responsible for your own emotions.

If you can't be responsible for your own emotions, you can't possible have any influence in the society you live in.

budaatum:
Please be responsible for your own emotions.

If you can't be responsible for your own emotions, you can't possible have any influence in the society you live in.

Why did you leave Nigeria in the first place, why don't you come back and do everything you are telling people here to do, are you not a Nigerian?

What is stopping you from spearheading your suggestions?

Don't you love Nigeria anymore?

Brendaniel:
Why did you leave Nigeria in the first place, why don't you come back and do everything you are telling people here to do, are you not a Nigerian?

What is stopping you from spearheading your suggestions?

Don't you love Nigeria anymore?

I left to educate myself because I love myself more, and because I am not the messiah of Nigeria and felt no need to save you since you the proles would just end up yelling crucify buda. There's far too many people who reason like you do, who don't see reason for accepting responsibility for the current situation of our nation, and opposing your sort of view mostly receives the sort of response you've been giving me here.

Take your example of "violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo" for instance. You make it sound like Martians arrived from outerspace to cause violence in Ododo, and can't seem to see that it is people of Ododo causing violence in their own community.

I am spearheading what I can by educating you here, but I am fully aware that some seeds will fall by the roadside and wither in the sun while a few will see reason in the sown seeds and learn to pick up their own cross and bear it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOFu6b3w6c0

budaatum:
I left to educate myself because I love myself more, and because I am not the messiah of Nigeria and felt no need to save you since you the proles would just end up yelling crucify buda. There's far too many people who reason like you do, who don't see reason for accepting responsibility for the current situation of our nation, and opposing your sort of view mostly receives the sort of response you've been giving me here.

Take your example of "violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo" for instance. You make it sound like Martians arrived from outerspace to cause violence in Ododo, and can't seem to see that it is people of Ododo causing violence in their own community.

I am spearheading what I can by educating you here, but I am fully aware that some seeds will fall by the roadside and wither in the sun while a few will see reason in the sown seeds and learn to pick up their own cross and bear it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOFu6b3w6c0

That means you are telling Nigerians to do what you a Nigerian cannot do for Nigeria and is unwilling to do for Nigeria....

Brendaniel:
That means you are telling Nigerians to do what you a Nigerian cannot do for Nigeria and is unwilling to do for Nigeria....

Not exactly. I am not telling "Nigerians to do what you a Nigerian cannot do for Nigeria". In fact, I'm not telling anyone to do for Nigeria, though I recognise that's been your argument and where you've taken our conversation.

If you go back to my very first post in this thread you will see I was specifically telling the individual what was good for himself. I'll post it below to remind you.

budaatum:
Meaning, if you sell it today you'd make profit of 5.4m minus depreciation, which sounds good to me unless you are a consumer and not an investor.

Imagine if you were one of those who bought 10 Lexus ES 330 2006 in January last year. You now be sitting on a cool 54m profit and would be praising agbado.

Nigeria is far too big a country for any one individual to make it better, but everyone making their own portion of it better by investing in their own learning and education will make the nation better one day.

Just our conversation here has contributed to that betterness, I reckon. You might not have learnt something, but there's others who might have.

budaatum:
Not exactly. I am not telling "Nigerians to do what you a Nigerian cannot do for Nigeria". In fact, I'm not telling anyone to do for Nigeria, though I recognise that's been your argument and where you've taken our conversation.

If you go back to my very first post in this thread you will see I was specifically telling the individual what was good for himself. I'll post it below to remind you.



Nigeria is far too big a country for any one individual to make it better, but everyone making their own portion of it better by investing in their own learning and education will make the nation better one day.

Just our conversation here has contributed to that betterness, I reckon. You might not have learnt something, but there's others who might have.

So you are telling the guy what is good for him even when he is telling you that it is not good for him, why not come back to Nigeria and prove to him that it is good for him, come and put your words into action, prove to us that all what you are saying is true, come to Nigeria COME and show us...

You have been blaming Nigerians since the beginning of your conversation for even bad leadership and telling people to take responsibility with various suggestions...

This is your comment;

but everyone making their own portion of it better by investing in their own learning and education will make the nation better one day.

Why don't you come to Nigeria by taking your own portion? Start showing us the change your own portion is making based on your suggestion since it is your idea, come to Nigeria and start first since you claim that is the solution to Nigeria's problem...

Come to Nigeria and take your own portion and prove to us that your solution works then we will follow, you can't be telling us to do what you have not done or planning to do yet from another man's country, come to Nigeria come and show us that it works here by yourself first.

If you can't then you are a coward, a deceit, a fraud, a hypocrite....

Prove to us that what you are telling us to do is what you have and it worked rather than telling people to do what you have not even done if not you are a fraud, a deceit, a hypocrite.

Sowore travels all the way from the U.S when he calls for protest, he puts his word into action, he won't call people for protest that he won't be at the forefront.


I am not asking you for protest, just come to Nigeria and do everything you are telling Nigerians to do and be at the forefront of it in your own portion as you claimed or you remain a fraud, a deceit and hypocrite....

Brendaniel:
So you are telling the guy what is good for him even when he is telling you that it is not good for him, .......

No, I am not telling anyone what is good for them. All I did was point out one persons sorrow at a Lexus ES 330 2006 costing 3.6m, and the benefit to others now it's 9m. And you then went off on one.

The problem we face in Nigeria is a lack of understanding of our duties and responsibilities, and I can very easily teach those wherever I may be. I also do come to Nigeria so those around me may learn, which they thankfully do. I am not however teaching anyone to solve the problems of Nigeria, and didn't in my initial post here. Even you couldn't admit to being kidnapped, so I don't see how that is your problem.

Please know you are free and welcome to have whatever opinion you like about me and I don't need to hold that opinion with you. But you asking others to come solve issues and problems you face is irresponsible of you, in my opinion, and you will continue to face those issues and problems until you become responsible for reducing your own sufferings.

I repeat my self below, but find it necessary since you seem to have missed it.

Brendaniel:
Why don't you come to Nigeria by taking your own portion?

No one's portion is suffering in Nigeria, and there's many in Nigeria who are not suffering with you.

You asked about kidnappings. One can very easily solve that problem by hiring security people to follow and guard one everywhere one goes in Nigeria, which will surely reduce kidnapping from any portion one may have, please note. I have after all invested in my own education so I can afford to be responsible for myself.

Not every Nigerian is crying ẹbí n'pawa. Some are even eating more than ever.

budaatum:
No, I am not telling anyone what is good for them. All I did was point out one persons sorrow at a Lexus ES 330 2006 costing 3.6m, and the benefit to others now it's 9m. And you then went off on one.

The problem we face in Nigeria is a lack of understanding of our duties and responsibilities, and I can very easily teach those wherever I may be. I also do come to Nigeria so those around me may learn, which they thankfully do. I am not however teaching anyone to solve the problems of Nigeria, and didn't in my initial post here. Even you couldn't admit to being kidnapped, so I don't see how that is your problem.

Please know you are free and welcome to have whatever opinion you like about me and I don't need to hold that opinion with you. But you asking others to come solve issues and problems you face is irresponsible of you, in my opinion, and you will continue to face those issues and problems until you become responsible for reducing your own sufferings.

I repeat my self below, but find it necessary since you seem to have missed it.

Come to Nigeria and prove it to us or you remain a liar, a cheat, a deceit, a coward and a fraud....

budaatum:
No one's portion is suffering in Nigeria, and there's many in Nigeria who are not suffering with you.

You asked about kidnappings. One can very easily solve that problem by hiring security people to follow and guard one everywhere one goes in Nigeria, which will surely reduce kidnapping from any portion one may have, please note. I have after all invested in my own education so I can afford to be responsible for myself.

Not every Nigerian is crying ẹbí n'pawa. Some are even eating more than ever.

If you cannot come to Nigeria and prove it to us as Sowore is doing then you remain a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a coward and complete deceit....

Brendaniel:
Come to Nigeria and prove it to us or you remain a liar, a cheat, a deceit, a coward and a fraud....

Your opinion of me does not in any way solve your problems I don't think, but you're very welcome to them.

I don't need to prove anything to you Brendaniel, since I am not your messiah and nor am I responsible for you, which is what I've been pointing out to you but which you refuse to accept despite you being the suffering one.

budaatum:
Your opinion of me does not in any way solve your problems I don't think, but you're very welcome to them.

I don't need to prove anything to you Brendaniel, since I am not your messiah and nor am I responsible for you, which is what I've been pointing out to you but which you refuse to accept despite you being the suffering one.

My opinion or not, you are like a person trying to teach someone how to drive when you have never driven a car before....

Come to Nigeria and prove to us that what you are telling us to do you can do it and it works...

Brendaniel:
If you cannot come to Nigeria and prove it to us as Sowore is doing then you remain a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a coward and complete deceit....

Perhaps try being responsible for alleviating your own sufferings instead of trying to blackmail others to be Messiah Sowore for you.

Brendaniel:
My opinion or not, you are like a person trying to teach someone how to drive when you have never driven a car before....

You mean like I've never lived in Nigeria before?

You're welcome.

budaatum:
You mean like I've never lived in Nigeria before?

You're welcome.

Come and do what you are telling Nigerians to do....

budaatum:
Perhaps try being responsible for alleviating your own sufferings instead of trying to blackmail others to be Messiah Sowore for you.

I told you earlier on that I am not calling you for protest, just come and do what you are telling Nigerians to do or you remain a deceit, a fraud, a liar and a coward....

Brendaniel:
I told you earlier on that I am not calling you for protest, just come and do what you are telling Nigerians to do or you remain a deceit, a fraud, a liar and a coward....

The Nigerian I responded saved up to buy a Lexus ES 330 2006 for 3.6m that is now 9m.

My advice is, invest in an education instead, so you can earn a better income anywhere in the world so you can afford to buy a brand new 2024 Lexus.

Hopefully, he doesn't reason like you do, or he'd be wailing when a Lexus ES 330 2006 is 18m.

Brendaniel:
Come and do what you are telling Nigerians to do....

I already do that where I am, thank you very much.

No one is tied to Nigeria. You can chose where you want to suffer, unless you are irresponsible and powerless of course.

budaatum:
I already do that where I am, thank you very much.

No one is tied to Nigeria. You can chose where you want to suffer, unless you are irresponsible and powerless of course.

Any evidence to prove your claim?