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kkins25:
interesting. Why must it be "religion"?

TheSourcerer:
How about Aparty from all religions?

Lucifyre:
Logical and faith do not belong together. It's almost an oxymoron 😄

fredwill1357:
It is like saying what about apathy to physical exercise. Ignoring our spiritual aspect is like ignoring our essence, there is more to life than our fleshly suit. However, aside the spiritual aspect. The faith can also be seen and adopted as a human and societal building organization. Building morals and civilization.

Lucifyre:
Logical and faith do not belong together. It's almost an oxymoron 😄

fredwill1357:
Something being logical and something being factual are two different things. Logical can simply be called reasonable, and yes faith can be reasonable, depending on the requisites and beliefs.

fredwill1357:
It is like saying what about apathy to physical exercise. Ignoring our spiritual aspect is like ignoring our essence, there is more to life than our fleshly suit. However, aside the spiritual aspect. The faith can also be seen and adopted as a human and societal building organization. Building morals and civilization.

TheSourcerer:
so according to your analogy, without faith there could be no morals? Hmmm do explain why I don't go around killing or raping whoever I meet since again according to your apology faith builds morals and civilization?

TheSourcerer:
hmm faith been reasonable ? Do explain how belief/faith can be reasonable though?

TheSourcerer:
do animals share this spiritual aspect like us though?


Btw meditation is paramount to me
Hence my spirituality.

What religion are you affiliated with basically?

fredwill1357:
Your first question, I do not know the complete nature of animals, humans or the world. I do not claim to be an authority on this matters, spiritual or physical. I am spiritually gifted, however I am a seeker like many other people, ignorant of a lot of things and searching for answers.
I do not trust the universe, nature, e.t.c. I am wary of them all, however that shouldn't prevent us from exploring and seeking answers.

Yes, meditation is very important, it is one of the purpose of the Sunday worship service, to teach people meditation and enhance their minds.

I do not like labels, it a lot of times creates hostilities and divisions. I prefer worshiping God in spirit and truth like Jesus advised. I am open to Godliness, wisdom and true knowledge in whatever religion, culture or anywhere it can be found.

fredwill1357:
For e.g: if you knew you would die in 10 days time and are largely certain of this. You would likely do some things differently, you might withdraw all your savings and spend it on yourself, give it away to charity or share it to family and loved ones.

Why aren't you and I living today like it is our last day? Because we believe it is not, even though we aren't certain or guaranteed of this.

This is faith/belief, is it unreasonable? NO

fredwill1357:
Your first question, I do not know the complete nature of animals, humans or the world. I do not claim to be an authority on this matters, spiritual or physical. I am spiritually gifted, however I am a seeker like many other people, ignorant of a lot of things and searching for answers.
I do not trust the universe, nature, e.t.c. I am wary of them all, however that shouldn't prevent us from exploring and seeking answers.

Yes, meditation is very important, it is one of the purpose of the Sunday worship service, to teach people meditation and enhance their minds.

I do not like labels, it a lot of times creates hostilities and divisions. I prefer worshiping God in spirit and truth like Jesus advised. I am open to Godliness, wisdom and true knowledge in whatever religion, culture or anywhere it can be found.

fredwill1357:
I didn't say there would be no morals and civilization without faith. Formal education inculcates a level of knowledge and common sense, does that mean this things cannot exist or be acquired without formal education?

Morals and civilization can exist without faith, but faith can serve as a ground for a society to reason and agree on things together. Hearing each other out and looking at things from different or new perspectives, thereby leading to more harmony, cooperation, civilization and widespread morals.
Faith also serves as a ground for more enlightened people to pass teachings and directions to laypeople, leading to quicker knowledge and maturity.

TheSourcerer:
Nah , prayers and meditation are two different things, let's say I have a problem , do you feel prayers would answer "my problem " or silent meditation, I believe the later would find me a solution , definitely not violent or quiet prayers .
Even now I'm on my meditative pose texting you

TheSourcerer:
No , but I hope you see how ironic these bolded words are , faith does not give room for thinking outside the box, let alone give room for people with different opinions or perspective to anything aside what is already within the box , hence heresy or blasphemous thinking arises , leading to factions that leading to Religious or holy wars .

Lucifyre:
Logical and faith do not belong together. It's almost an oxymoron 😄

TheSourcerer:
do animals share this spiritual aspect like us though?

TheSourcerer:
hmm faith been reasonable ? Do explain how belief/faith can be reasonable though?

TheSourcerer:
No it I not reasonable at all to give all my savings to charity ? Why because according to your analogy I would die in 10 days making everything I do including spending all my savings on myself very unreasonable , why because it is not our of reason but out of fear or desperation or the fact of knowing the date of my death , nothing done within this time frame would be reasonable ,
And again this is not based on faith or belief I would die in 10 days probably a medical fact not based on faith lol .

StillDtruth:
How did you think you flew in a plane? Did you not exercise belief/faith and reasonable thinkings before you climbed into that noisy iron bird with fear and increased blood pressure?

Same thing in climbing into a canoe to cross River Niger especially when you can not swim

StillDtruth:
Who cares about what animals feel?

fredwill1357:
You are the one defining faith by what you are used to.
Thinking outside the box is not contrary to faith, if the faith is not fixated but open to reason. Of course factions can arise, the sky is vast enough for every bird to fly without collision.