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Busybrain2233:
The observable universe is/might be finite, but what we don't know are events that happened before the observable universe emanated.

So do you think your God popped out from nothing or was created by a higher being

If there was a Higherer Being, do you not think that He must show Himself Against God?

If branch manager claim oga of all, Zonal Manager no go come put am down?

Or as Game of thrones showed you, if the hand claims king, would king, king not come and publicly cut him to size?

Like it or not, there is no other God Besides, God Most High!

jaephoenix:
Who created god?

Fallacy/Objection!

Presumptive Question.
Must He be created?

FRANCISTOWN:
Then who created God?

Fallacy/Objection!

Invalid Questilon on grounds of Speculstion and Preusumption! Who told you He was created?

You claimed to have clerked in a law firm so you ought to know that this is an invalid question! 😆😆😆

StillDtruth:
Fallacy/Objection!

Presumptive Question.
Who told you He was created?

The guy. He said everything that exists must have a creator

FRANCISTOWN:
The guy. He said everything that exists must have a creator

You Lie!

This is what he said and you quoted

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by FRANCISTOWN: 8:39pm On Jul 30
Steep:. There is no creation without a creator,
Then who created God?

So aready even though the argument has not commenced, you are already showing that atheists are Liars! 😆😆😆😆😆😆

Busybrain2233:
The observable universe is/might be finite, but what we don't know are events that happened before the observable universe emanated.

So do you think your God popped out from nothing or was created by a higher being

all current evidences show that the universe had a beginning so the universe can not be said to have had an inifinity past.
God did not pop out of nothing, he is ever present from all eternity to eternity.
There is nothing like a being higher than God, just like saying asking if there is a square circle.

The very definition of God denotes finality, there is nothing greater than him neither can be, he is the cause of all there is while he himself has no cause.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

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Come and reargue your case and see how you will still lose again because it does not stand and it can never ever stand 😆😆😆

CC: CyrusVI, AlbertNewton,..

StillDtruth:
You Lie!

This is what he said and you quoted

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by FRANCISTOWN: 8:39pm On Jul 30
Steep:. There is no creation without a creator,
Then who created God?

So aready even though the argument has not commenced, you are already showing that atheists are Liars! 😆😆😆😆😆😆

Okay makes sense. So who told you humans are created?

Steep:
all current evidences show that the universe had a beginning so the universe can not be said to have had an inifinity past.
God did not pop out of nothing, he is ever present from all eternity to eternity.
There is nothing like a being higher than God, just like saying asking if there is a square circle.

The very definition of God denotes finality, there is nothing greater than him neither can be, he is the cause of all there is while he himself has no cause.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

At the emboldened, you might be referring to the observable universe.

How do you know God was ever present and how do I verify your claim?

How do you for sure know that there's no being higher than God?

The people who made that definition how did they come to realise all that about God? Or did they go back in time to check if God actually existed as an eternal being?

Is it possible for something/someone/deity to exist without no cause? Please state your reasons clearly? And if yes, what could have triggered/caused that to happen?

Quoting a passage in the bible to make a point to me isn't wise, why should I take what it says serious?

FRANCISTOWN:
I was a diehard tongue speaking christian. I used to go on many evangelism back in the days.
Though I had my origin in the Holy Roman Catholic Faith and I wanted to be a priest until i left the Catholic Faith for pentecostalism because I wanted Yahweh and Jesus to reveal themselves to me.
I used to get fascinated with the way people said they saw Jesus, I wanted to see Jesus too. Lol! Stupid me.
Though, there was no proof of Yahweh and his errand boy Jesus. Yet! I believed 100% .
I notice the reason many people are hung unto this Jesus thing is because they thought once there's no Jesus in their life. Devil will start making a mess of them.

When I became an atheist. I was already sure that Yahweh and Jesus his errand boy were nonexistent, so I went into the church and I stood on the pulpit. Then I said, "Yahweh and Jesus his errand boy together with your heaven jargons. Whatever you are doin in my life, stop it now. I'm no longer interested. I do not believe in you and I'm sure you are a complete fraud and a collosal waste of time"

A week after that time I fell terribly sick and for a second, I thought could it be that Yahweh and Jesus wanted to kill me😂😂. But I remembered that inexistent being can never cause visible effects in reality.
And I wasn't troubled, became whole without medicine.
I no longer had to worry about hell and other nonsense. No one can use Jesus to manipulate me and I can easily sue pastors if they made noise in my environment.

Jesus has no usefulness in reality. At the mention of the name of Jesus. No knee has ever bowed and no knee will bow.
Don't even get me started on Muhammad that had sex with a 9y/o girl.

Ask me any question and I'll answer you.

We share a lot in common. I have a deeply religious background and after a deep introspection, I realized nothing in the Bible and religion makes any sense. I won't call myself an atheist at this time just that organized religion is dead for me. I have witnessed EVIL and the supernatural growing and I cannot deny the existence of evil.

If evil exists, there must be a greater good out there somewhere and I am still making my findings. At some point, I even prayed for and received what I would term " miracles". I will attend a church in the future to socialize but I will never go near any Pentecostal church.

This life has forturated us that some people couldn't believe the is God. Only those that have faith can believe the is God.for example the killing of christian by boko haram,the way the economy is fall,even when you lost someone\something important to you.all this we make you ask yourself if the is God the creator of heaven and earth nothing impossible for him.and should bad things are happened.that is why most people give up their faith that the is no God.like i said only the ones with faith that believed the is God

Sapasenator:
I will attend a church in the future to socialize but I will never go near any Pentecostal church.

Talking about humans evil is seated deep in the hearts of all due to imperfection {Romans 7:15-20} but then Jesus of Nazareth established Christianity to help us work together as a group to conquer the evil in our hearts that's the purpose of meeting together in worship because when we are two or three using God's word as guide {Ecclesiastes 4:9 compare to Matthew 18:20} we will be able to fight the evil in our hearts as we tell ourselves the truth from God's word {John 17:17} regarding what type of feelings is taking away our virtues so we must not allow the love for materialism to blur our senses {Matthew 6:19-23} otherwise our gathering will be for the love of riches! Matthew 6:24

So what qualities do you think the church of Christ should possess?

MaxInDHouse:
Talking about humans evil is seated deep in the hearts of all due to imperfection {Romans 7:15-20} but then Jesus of Nazareth established Christianity to help us work together as a group to conquer the evil in our hearts that's the purpose of meeting together in worship because when we are two or three using God's word as guide {Ecclesiastes 4:9 compare to Matthew 18:20} we will be able to fight the evil in our hearts as we tell ourselves the truth from God's word {John 17:17} regarding what type of feelings is taking away our virtues so we must not allow the love for materialism to blur our senses {Matthew 6:19-23} otherwise our gathering will be for the love of riches! Matthew 6:24

So what qualities do you think the church of Christ should possess?

There is no church of Christ my friend. The perception of the "Church of Christ" is different from Catholic to Pentecostal to JW. I am sure you believe yours to be superior right?

MaxInDHouse:
So what qualities do you think the church of Christ should possess?

Definitely not one that habors pedophiles and child abusers.

Sapasenator:
There is no church of Christ my friend. The perception of the "Church of Christ" is different from Catholic to Pentecostal to JW. I am sure you believe yours to be superior right?

Let's keep superiority aside for a moment and try to see matters from the viewpoint of Jesus of Nazareth who is called Christ.

Note that he prayed for his disciples to have the same line of thought in doctrine and teaching {John 17 :22} then he said there will be an identifying mark to know his disciples everywhere they are {John 13:34-35} and gave them an assessment which must be carried out globally! Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8

So let's leave the strife among religions claiming Christians out of this and meditate on what Christ Jesus said.

Do you think his disciples will not be ORGANIZED in doing what he assigned them despite the Holy Spirit working with them? John 14:26-27

MaxInDHouse:
Let's keep superiority aside for a moment and try to see matters from the viewpoint of Jesus of Nazareth who is called Christ.

Note that he prayed for his disciples to have the same line of thought in doctrine and teaching {John 17 :22} then he said there will be an identifying mark to know his disciples everywhere they are {John 13:34-35} and gave them an assessment which must be carried out globally! Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8

So let's leave the strife among religions claiming Christians out of this and meditate on what Christ Jesus said.

Do you think his disciples will not be ORGANIZED in doing what he assigned them despite the Holy Spirit working with them? John 14:26-27

They will never be and have never been. He would not even recognize a lot of people who claim to be his disciple. I do not believe most church organizations in Nigeria have anything to do with God if he exists.

DoWhatThouWilt:
Definitely not one that habors pedophiles and child abusers.

As you're a Muslim i'm just laughing over your case because there has never been a time when worshipers of God don't have sinners in their midst but one thing makes them unique:

They are fulfilling what God promised!

So i have all the evidences that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are fulfilling what God promised in this time of the end despite having sinners in their midst {Matthew 9:13} and what they've achieved Islam can never ever achieve a quarter in a million years from now.

Are you willing to know their achievements?

I was in Islam when i began noticing the fine WORKS of God's organization despite the fact that their members are imperfect humans!

Sapasenator:
They will never be and have never been. He would not even recognize a lot of people who claim to be his disciple. I do not believe most church organizations in Nigeria have anything to do with God if he exists.

OK! Now let's take things one after another.

The purpose of ORGANIZED worship is for humans to work together as one big family in resolving conflicts that could degenerate to unquenchable war.

Do you agree with this?

MaxInDHouse:
OK! Now let's take things one after another.

The purpose of worship is for humans to work together as one big family in resolving conflicts that could degenerate to unquenchable war.

Do you agree with this?

Unfortunately, I do not agree. We are too different to be "one big family" and I always suspect any religion or organization from the West. Most of what you know today as knowledge is what was written down in a book for you to read with no evidence whatsoever.

MaxInDHouse:
I was in Islam when i began noticing the fine WORKS of God's organization

Fine works like harbouring rapist and child molesters that molest children as young as 4?

Sapasenator:
Unfortunately, I do not agree. We are too different to be "one big family" and I always suspect any religion or organization from the West. Most of what you know today as knowledge is what was written down in a book for you to read with no evidence whatsoever.

Hmmm OK.
I think we should define the title GOD.


Do you agree with the definition that says GOD means the SUPREME BEING?

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmm OK.
I think we should define the title GOD.


Do you agree with the definition that says GOD means the SUPREME BEING?

If there is a God, yes he is supposed to be the supreme being. Remember there are more than 9000 religions on earth and the concept of " GOD" varies according to sect so bear that in mind.

DoWhatThouWilt:
Fine works like harbouring rapist and child molesters that molest children as young as 4?

Definitely your religion (Islam) failed to teach you the meaning of FINE WORKS!

So let me enlighten you.


There are evil deeds all around the world and it doesn't end in one geographical location so that means in each continent, country, city, town or village there is always an evil person.

So when we talk about FINE WORKS it doesn't mean the evil in the minds of those found in different geographical locations will disappear rather they will be moved by the group that draws them to start doing what is beneficial.

For instance all those people you're seeing are members of different families around the world and we have removed hatred from their hearts so that by the time politicians are recruiting killers among religionists none of them will think of lifting a weapon against his fellow man {Isaiah 2:2-4} but in your Islam where pedophilia is legalized your so called Muslim brothers in the next town will gladly carry his gun to kill you because of political or tribal conflict!

FRANCISTOWN:
Okay makes sense. So who told you humans are created?

Simple common sense and natural observation. 😆😆😆

You and i and our parents did not make ourselves nor can any human make themselves exactly how our mannequins did not make themselves and could not make themselves.

Sapasenator:
If there is a God, yes he is supposed to be the supreme being. Remember there are more than 9000 religions on earth and the concept of " GOD" varies according to sect so bear that in mind.

Now we are progressing!

So if GOD is supreme please what would you have done as a supreme ruler over the earth?

MaxInDHouse:
Now we are progressing!

So if GOD is supreme please what would you have done as a supreme ruler over the earth?

I would not create Satan. I would have known in advance that Lucifer was going to rebel and do something about it since I am supposed to be omnipresent. I would not have created the Tree of Good and Evil to tempt mankind. I can go on and list more than 100 stuff off of my head.

Steep:
The evidences of God are all around us. There is no creation without a creator, no morality without a moral law giver.
If God does not exist then we are just mindless atoms vibrating and moving randomly.
Without God there would be no creation.
Without God no morality, morality becomes mere opinions and the strong and mighty wins.
Secularism and humanism are failing badly because God can never be eliminated. What happens is that people just replaced God with a false god either Government, society, family, themselves, career, sports etc

With all the "GOD" in Nigeria, has our morality index improved over the past 20 years?

MaxInDHouse:
Àbí now as ATHEISM is the most reasonable idea now shey?

Ọmọ you were never a Christian!

I know you would go there and you people never fail to amaze me. So predictable. So Who is a Christian? You?

Kingsempires:
This life has forturated us that some people couldn't believe the is God. Only those that have faith can believe the is God.for example the killing of christian by boko haram,the way the economy is fall,even when you lost someone\something important to you.all this we make you ask yourself if the is God the creator of heaven and earth nothing impossible for him.and should bad things are happened.that is why most people give up their faith that the is no God.like i said only the ones with faith that believed the is God

You are talking nonsense. All the bad shit happening are happenning because when God was ruling and it was good, you people told God to go away and leave you alone; that you can rule yourselves.

And God finally answered that prayer.

So, now it is bad you are now looking for Him.

MaxInDHouse:
So when we talk about FINE WORKS it doesn't mean the evil in the minds of those found in different geographical locations will disappear rather they will be moved by then group that draws them to start doing what is beneficial

How has your organisation drawn out pedophilia from pedophiles?

Is it by hiding them from law enforcement officers and fighting victims in court,

even going as far as pleading with the court not to make the case available to the public, so that people, most especially you its dull gullible brainwashed slaves, dont get to know anything about it?

Sapasenator:
I would not create Satan. I would have known in advance that Lucifer was going to rebel and do something about it since I am supposed to be omnipresent. I would not have created the Tree of Good and Evil to tempt mankind. I can go on and list more than 100 stuff off of my head.

Who taught you that God created a Satan?
Who taught you that God is omnipresent?
Who taught you the tree of good and evil?

Now you are the one referring to what was written in books.

Please let us leave the books and whatever is found written in them for now and use our own intelligence.

So the question again:

What would you have done about mankind if you're a supreme ruler?