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Jokerman:
So when God spoke about this, you call him a liar??

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.


Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

You see that quote from Ezekiel.. straight forward. Soul that sins dies...and what is death ?
See the below.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
King James Version
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

And

Psalm 104:29-31
King James Version
29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

31 The glory of the Lord shall endure for ever: the Lord shall rejoice in his works.


See the initial knowledge...

All you have in the new testament are deception and mockery against God...

God has already judged ALL MEN,from dust you where made, from dust you shall return. No mention of burning His spirit in an everlasting fire..all Christian propaganda and deception...just to keep people in line..

Jokerman:
Yes.

But we have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, since Adam, and it passed to us.

Only through Jesus we are qualified to go back to God and be with him both body and soul, at the last day.

Anything short of that, is against God.

Stop reading the Epic of Gilgamesh and the likes, so that you won't be deceived at last

God already gave us a solution to the problem of sin, non of which involves human sacrifice ..see 2nd chronicles 7:14.
Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer...
Confess and forsake he will forgive..
"A contrite heart he will not spurn"...so says the psalmist...

sonmvayina:
God already gave us a solution to the problem of sin, non of which involves human sacrifice ..see 2nd chronicles 7:14.
Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer...
Confess and forsake he will forgive..
"A contrite heart he will not spurn"...so says the psalmist...

Jesus is the only Sacrifice God will accept. Even Jesus Christ was spoke about in the old testament.

If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are already condemned. God has already told us to hear from Jesus Christ, at the configuration on the mountain.

Why are you still arguing??

John the Baptist testified in John 1.29:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Will you call John the Baptist, a liar?

sonmvayina:
You see that quote from Ezekiel.. straight forward. Soul that sins dies...and what is death ?
See the below.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
King James Version
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

And

Psalm 104:29-31
King James Version
29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

31 The glory of the Lord shall endure for ever: the Lord shall rejoice in his works.


See the initial knowledge...

All you have in the new testament are deception and mockery against God...

God has already judged ALL MEN,from dust you where made, from dust you shall return. No mention of burning His spirit in an everlasting fire..all Christian propaganda and deception...just to keep people in line..

So what are these books in the old testament talking about??

Job 11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Ezekiel 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth. (Talking about the Devil)

Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

LordReed:
Just look at what is going on in your head. It's clear you are sick in the head for real.

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sonmvayina:
It's called personification..

Clearly because everything God created has life and are persons which is why the mountains can clap their hands and stones can get up to praise God.

Michael547:
You call your claims 'fact' without proofs?

If it was not a fact that the bible did not define eating, walking, seeing, you would have mentioned it, so stab yourself.

Jokerman:
So what are these books in the old testament talking about??

Job 11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Ezekiel 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth. (Talking about the Devil)

Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Grave...that's where all humans Go...including the unrighteous...

Hades means the grave...their body goes to the grave, their spirit returns to God.

Except the ones that suffered but did not dies like Jonah and job. ...

Jokerman:
Jesus is the only Sacrifice God will accept. Even Jesus Christ was spoke about in the old testament.

If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are already condemned. God has already told us to hear from Jesus Christ, at the configuration on the mountain.

Why are you still arguing??

John the Baptist testified in John 1.29:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Will you call John the Baptist, a liar?

God never said he will send his son as sin offering..never..zip.
You are believing in a demon called Jesus.
Come to the creator, only the creator can set you free, not belief in a Jew that was nailed to a cross with no evidence that he actually existed...

sonmvayina:
Grave...that's where all humans Go...including the unrighteous...

Hades means the grave...their body goes to the grave, their spirit returns to God.

Except the ones that suffered but did not dies like Jonah and job. ...

So God is lying when he said the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? 1 Corinthians 6:9

Or was he lying when He said this;
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

And Jesus also corroborated what God said about Hades
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Please do not deceive yourself and live a careless life before you leave this world.

Please we beg. Come to Jesus now

sonmvayina:
God never said he will send his son as sin offering..never..zip.
You are believing in a demon called Jesus.
Come to the creator, only the creator can set you free, not belief in a Jew that was nailed to a cross with no evidence that he actually existed...

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.


Who was God talking about in these old testament chapters of Isaiah?

StillDtruth:
If it was not a fact that the bible did not define eating, walking, seeing, you would have mentioned it, so stab yourself.

Lol...ok....where does the Bible state that death and Hell are animate and intellectual entities?

Jokerman:
1. Hell Fire is the spiritual place of rebellious and sinful spirits/souls. When humans die, their physical bodies drop and buried, but their spirit beings (soul), go on to live and cannot actually die because the soul is eternal (From God).

2. The Lake of Fire will be both for physical and spiritual death. Which is the second death. It is not open yet, until it's set time.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

From the bolded Sir, we can see that the two people were literally thrown alive into the Lake of Fire 🔥.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Now the spiritual entity are also thrown into the Lake of Fire.

This tells us that the Lake of Fire is the end of all physical and spiritual nonentities to God.

However, for spirits and people( who will be in their resurrected dirty and sinful bodies), the Lake of Fire is eternal, as God is eternal.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Are you saying that spirit and soul of people are the same?

Are you also saying that God would remove people's soul/spirit from Hell fire and make a physical body for them and throw them back into the lake of fire?

Michael547:
Lol...ok....where does the Bible state that death and Hell are animate and intellectual entities?

How is this different from what you have been asking since?

Fix your repeat button, you don't have any valid thing to say .

Jokerman:
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.


Who was God talking about in these old testament chapters of Isaiah?

In Isaiah 9:6 the son has already been given when Isaiah wrote that. The son has already been born. History says the son was already 6 years old...
He was talking about future king Hezekiah....

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. 8 times prior to chapter 53, Isaiah told you who the servant is....check Isaiah 45:1-9.
And 41 :5-9.

The suffering servant is Israel...

Jokerman:
So God is lying when he said the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? 1 Corinthians 6:9

Or was he lying when He said this;
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

And Jesus also corroborated what God said about Hades
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Please do not deceive yourself and live a careless life before you leave this world.

Please we beg. Come to Jesus now

Those are all Christian propaganda..

It is not what is saying...

Learn To differentiate between spiritual truth and mans wisdom.