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Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by MamaFryo(f): 8:31am On Feb 02
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by uzohrome(m): 8:47am On Feb 02
Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of wine and well garnished fresh fish discussing how to try or deal with Job, I mean very obedient child of God. God give the devil go ahead to try Job. Maybe they end the discussion with a toast laughing and hugging each other. But over here na to kill devil. die die die ... Haba for watin na. Even Jesus still get time to discuss with the devil and they resolve amicably without fighting each other. Jesus for bind and cast the devil immediately to end all this devil issues. For me devil is never our problems, we are the architect of our own misfortune. I think I need go bible school. grin

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by DropsMic(m): 8:58am On Feb 02
We will never know

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by HacheNoire: 8:59am On Feb 02
uzohrome:
Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of win discussing how to try or deal with Job, I mean very obedient child of God. God give the devil go ahead to try Job. Maybe they end the discussion with a toast laughing and hugging each other. But over here na to kill devil. die die die ... Haba for watin na. Even Jesus still get time to discuss with the devil and they resolve amicably without fighting each other. Jesus for bind and cast the devil immediately to end all this devil issues. For me devil is never our problems, we are the architect of our own misfortune. I think I need go bible school. grin


All your beliefs are fictions.

Jesus discussing with devil?

Cartoons!

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by uzohrome(m): 9:08am On Feb 02
HacheNoire:



All your beliefs are fictions.

Jesus discussing with devil?

Cartoons!

Please read

Luke 4:1-14
1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry. 3 The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.”4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’” 5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 If you worship me, it will all be yours.” 8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’” 9 The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. 10 For it is written: “ ‘He will command his angels concerning you to guard you carefully; 11 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’ ” 12 Jesus answered, “It is said: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’” 13 When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time. 14 Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside....
These are DISCUSSIONS.

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Blakjewelry(m): 9:45am On Feb 02
Op did you forget the spirit who said it will go as a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets? From where did the spirit come from. The truth is there is no difference between all old religions because both the good guys and the bad ones are related. Either they are brother, sister or sons or daughters. Even the case of job the bible said when the sons of God so it shows you their relationship in fact there is no where in old testament to show that God has beef the devil.

BTW I think the God of Abraham is very wise he knows the power of a God fails so he decided to diversify by planting Christianity and Islam

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Oluromantic(m): 9:46am On Feb 02
I think a bigger question to answer is why God hardened Pharaoh's heart and led him to the destruction he prepared for him. Exodus 9:12

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by uzohrome(m): 9:51am On Feb 02
Blakjewelry:
Op did you forget the spirit who said it will go as a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets? From where did the spirit come from. The truth is there is no difference between all old religions because both the good guys and the bad ones are related. Either they are brother, sister or sons or daughters. Even the case of job the bible said when the sons of God so it shows you their relationship in fact there is no where in old testament to show that God has beef the devil.

BTW I think the God of Abraham is very wise he knows the power of a God fails so he decided to diversify by planting Christianity and Islam

Power of God fails?

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Inteltower: 10:50am On Feb 02
MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?


you fool, be mindful of what you say about God.
if you don't have understanding stop displaying your pathetic ignorance.
He is God and if he demands Satan in his presence Satan will obey (See the book of job)
didn't he use Israelites enemies from time to time to punish them (Egypt, Rome, etc)
you fool for both evil and good things/beings he can use; Isn't he God ? (See book of revelations about the four horse men)
didn't he send the angel of death to kill every first born male in Egypt ?
didn't he send a lying spirit to an Israelite king who surrounded himself with many prophets
didn't he send the 10 plagues to Egypt
or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ?

you ignorant fool am asking you isn't he God ?
if you were a god in his shoes how will you punish mankind for their sinful ways ?

answer this and find the truth
do not attract God's wrath with shallow ignorance that fly out of your mouth


gosh some peoples understanding are really wack and darkened that they snare their souls for condemnation

Lord forgive me I can't stand fools that are not looking for truth but argument like the Pharisees.

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by 1StopRudeness: 10:53am On Feb 02
MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?

Permit me to take it from here, Just like cold same is darkness....what do I mean? Cold is really not a thing, it’s just an absence of heat....
Likewise Darkness, it’s not an entity, I mean it’s not an energy or force like light, it’s only a void that sort of manifest once light becomes automatically absent...
This automatic presence and absence is governed by the principle of balance in the universe... u don’t prepare for success, u have automatically prepared for failure...u choose not to show love..u think you are sitting in the fence noooo!!! U have automatically subscribed for the hate side...
In relation to Saul, he stepped out of the boundaries of his relationship with the spirit of light, automatically the void is filled by evil or darkness...
Is the darkness from God who the Bible reports to be holy.?? Technically yes!! The Bible said he made all things... yes the Bible also gave other attributes of God, he’s judge the engineer of balance I earlier mentioned...
as an atheist, you want to play God’s card of holiness but you don’t want to play his card of balance....is that not why both Christians and Muslims an atheist alike are subject to same things....the same Bible u quoted also say he’s no respecter of person...he ensures balance, I don’t think he can enforce such balance without his holiness side otherwise he’ll be partial....

However, the unseen factors that guides the execution of balance is what I don’t know as a man....I don’t see all the angles......# my opinion

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Daniel058(m): 11:15am On Feb 02
uzohrome:
Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of wine and well garnished fresh fish discussing how to try or deal with Job, I mean very obedient child of God. God give the devil go ahead to try Job. Maybe they end the discussion with a toast laughing and hugging each other. But over here na to kill devil. die die die ... Haba for watin na. Even Jesus still get time to discuss with the devil and they resolve amicably without fighting each other. Jesus for bind and cast the devil immediately to end all this devil issues. For me devil is never our problems, we are the architect of our own misfortune. I think I need go bible school. grin
Bros if you go Bible School you go cause more confusion oo grin


Whenever there is a lot of confusion, I usually remember that he has created all things for his own pleasure and this world belong to him alone .. He's always right Bro.
Atheists are Time wasters, I pray Make Dem no run mad thinking about question they will ask people about God . grin

In Igbo, we call him AMAMA-AMASIAMASI

Las Las if anybody no like this world make e go create im own and stop questioning God about how he manage his World .

He has created all things for his pleasure.. grin

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Daniel058(m): 11:24am On Feb 02
MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?


Mamafrayo read rev 4 vs 11 ,you can't just go an kee Yaself thinking while d answer has been there before your Mama born you. grin

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by 1StopRudeness: 11:43am On Feb 02
Oluromantic:
I think a bigger question to answer is why God hardened Pharaoh's heart and led him to the destruction he prepared for him. Exodus 9:12

Do U have free will?? Do Umake ur decisions urself or u believe u are being controlled like a robot??
So why will God control someone by taking his free will??

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by MamaFryo(f): 11:52am On Feb 02
Inteltower:



you fool, be mindful of what you say about God.
if you don't have understanding stop displaying your pathetic ignorance.
He is God and if he demands Satan in his presence Satan will obey (See the book of job)
didn't he use Israelites enemies from time to time to punish them (Egypt, Rome, etc)
you fool for both evil and good things/beings he can use; Isn't he God ? (See book of revelations about the four horse men)
didn't he send the angel of death to kill every first born male in Egypt ?
didn't he send a lying spirit to an Israelite king who surrounded himself with many prophets
didn't he send the 10 plagues to Egypt
or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ?

you ignorant fool am asking you isn't he God ?
if you were a god in his shoes how will you punish mankind for their sinful ways ?

answer this and find the truth
do not attract God's wrath with shallow ignorance that fly out of your mouth


gosh some peoples understanding are really wack and darkened that they snare their souls for condemnation

Lord forgive me I can't stand fools that are not looking for truth but argument like the Pharisees.

Have you ever read what God said about anyone who calls another one a fool? Have you? My brother, are you the Messiah? Are you the Deputy God? Learn how to pass your message with love and tenderness. You can't fight for God o.

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by MamaFryo(f): 12:01pm On Feb 02
1StopRudeness:


Do U have free will?? Do Umake ur decisions urself or u believe u are being controlled like a robot??
So why will God control someone by taking his free will??

Damn free will! We are all controlled by a supernatural force. We are all acting a script written by the creator. You can never do anything outside the script...forget it. God hardened Pharaoh' s heart, he also caused a King not to sin against him by sleeping with Abraham's wife because he was told she was his sister. So if God can stop you from committing a sin, why can he punish you for committing a sin?

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by uzohrome(m): 12:06pm On Feb 02
Daniel058:
Bros if you go Bible School you go cause more confusion oo grin


Whenever there is a lot of confusion, I usually remember that he has created all things for his own pleasure and this world belong to him alone .. He's always right Bro.
Atheists are Time wasters, I pray Make Dem no run made thinking about question they will ask people about God . grin

In Igbo, we call him AMAMA-AMASIAMASI

Las Las if anybody no like this world make e go create im own and stop questioning God about how he manage his World .

He has created all things for his pleasure.. grin

On point bro

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by 1StopRudeness: 12:34pm On Feb 02
MamaFryo:


Damn free will! We are all controlled by a supernatural force. We are all acting a script written by the creator. You can never do anything outside the script...forget it. God hardened Pharaoh' s heart, he also caused a King not to sin against him by sleeping with Abraham's wife because he was told she was his sister. So if God can stop you from committing a sin, why can he punish you for committing a sin?

damn free will?? We are all acting a script?? You are more weird than an the average atheist....

No one is forced to do anything, yes there’s are influencing forces all around us in the universe, from the wind to water, to heat, to force of love hatred, to the tv, the internet, the radio, even other humans are all everyday influencers...but an influence is only a thought in the mind... u still have the right to say no or yes..
a 15year old boy that killed a 9year old in Scotland in 2019 after raping her said he was influenced by pornographic content...but he still had his free will...we only become the thoughts we entertain and succumb to....

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by beardlessdude: 12:37pm On Feb 02
uzohrome:
Yes the evil spirit is from God. God works with the devil most times as a repercussion for offenders. You know that Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power. God knew that all power belongs to him and make Christ to take charge over them. I often tell some persons if God did not bind or kill the devil who are you to do so. All you need do is to believe in God and born again in Christ and the devil will depart from you. Devil will always have one on one discussion with God about any situation. If God say yes go ahead then the devil will do a perfect work. Check The story of Job. Devil and God in a round table maybe with some bottle of wine and well garnished fresh fish discussing how to try or deal with Job, I mean very obedient child of God. God give the devil go ahead to try Job. Maybe they end the discussion with a toast laughing and hugging each other. But over here na to kill devil. die die die ... Haba for watin na. Even Jesus still get time to discuss with the devil and they resolve amicably without fighting each other. Jesus for bind and cast the devil immediately to end all this devil issues. For me devil is never our problems, we are the architect of our own misfortune. I think I need go bible school. grin
you need To go to comedy school not bible school grin grin grin

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Inteltower: 12:39pm On Feb 02
MamaFryo:


Have you ever read what God said about anyone who calls another one a fool? Have you? My brother, are you the Messiah? Are you the Deputy God? Learn how to pass your message with love and tenderness. You can't fight for God o.

don't Quote me please

study ur Bible well ..not the content but the context

this is how many Christian misinterpret the passage "judge not so thou not to be judged"
they mix chastening with condemnation

didn't our master Christ label the Pharisees names that are relative to their wicked intentions and ungodly ways.

its by love and responsibility as an ambassador of Christ I even pass this message.
i read your intention op here. as Christ does u must learn peoples motives b4 choosing whether or not to answer them or how u will deliver the message (truth)
Christ wasn't always gentle with his words especially to those that weren't seeking truth but argument..

so correct your posture when talking to such people
remember the teaching of casting ur pearls towards dogs and swine..

understand context not content.
if one behaves like a thief u call him thief
if one behaves like a fool u begin to misinterpret context

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Inteltower: 12:48pm On Feb 02
MamaFryo:


Have you ever read what God said about anyone who calls another one a fool? Have you? My brother, are you the Messiah? Are you the Deputy God? Learn how to pass your message with love and tenderness. You can't fight for God o.


you couldn't even counter the truth I threw back at ur face. but looking for ways to avoid it..u couldn't even answer my simple question

by ur stupid write up answer me this. are you wise or foolish ?

because I simply Called a person behaving like a fool a fool. and am justified by it
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by MamaFryo(f): 12:55pm On Feb 02
1StopRudeness:


damn free will?? We are all acting a script?? You are more weird than an the average atheist....

No one is forced to do anything, yes there’s are influencing forces all around us in the universe, from the wind to water, to heat, to force of love hatred, to the tv, the internet, the radio, even other humans are all everyday influencers...but an influence is only a thought in the mind... u still have the right to say no or yes..
a 15year old boy that killed a 9year old in Scotland in 2019 after raping her said he was influenced by pornographic content...but he still had his free will...we only become the thoughts we entertain and succumb to....


If you know you know. If only you can choose to free your mind to learn deep, one day you will realise that since we were not made to choose our family, our place and date of birth, our natural gender, our race...something somewhere controls all these. So when you were born and you now start thinking about how you got here, you start thinking you are in control. There was a writer who first chose you and assigned you to play the role you play. Whatever choice you make is as a result of what you are meant to do. This explains why there will always be criminals, terrorists, witchcraft, lunatics, gentlemen, poor, rich, kind and wicked people on this stage called earth. Someone has to play the role to keep the play on. Any society without all these characters does not exist in reality...na fiction.

What do I even know se f?

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by beardlessdude: 12:55pm On Feb 02
Inteltower:



you couldn't even counter the truth I threw back at ur face. but looking for ways to avoid it..u couldn't even answer my simple question

by ur stupid write up answer me this. are you wise or foolish ?

because I simply Called a person behaving like a fool a fool. and am justified by it
who justifies you bro ? grin
1 Cor 10 vs 23:
Everything is lawful," but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is lawful," but not everything builds others up.

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by beardlessdude: 12:59pm On Feb 02
MamaFryo:


If you know you know. If only you can choose to free your mind to learn deep, one day you will realise that since we were not made to choose our family, our place and date of birth, our natural gender, our race...something somewhere controls all these. So when you were born and you now start thinking about how you got here, you start thinking you are in control. There was a writer who first chose you and assigned you to play the role you play. Whatever choice you make is as a result of what you are meant to do. This explains why there will always be criminals, terrorists, witchcraft, lunatics, gentlemen, poor, rich, kind and wicked people on this stage called earth. Someone has to play the role to keep the play on. Any society without all these characters does not exist in reality...na fiction.

What do I even know se f?
life na scam laslas

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Lostz(m): 1:12pm On Feb 02
Blakjewelry:
Op did you forget the spirit who said it will go as a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets? From where did the spirit come from. The truth is there is no difference between all old religions because both the good guys and the bad ones are related. Either they are brother, sister or sons or daughters. Even the case of job the bible said when the sons of God so it shows you their relationship in fact there is no where in old testament to show that God has beef the devil.

BTW I think the God of Abraham is very wise he knows the power of a God fails so he decided to diversify by planting Christianity and Islam
Satan was still in heaven with God . it was after Jesus resurrection to heaven that Satan was chase down

all things on earth are God's creation. even though some choose to be evil, he can still use them for his purpose
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Blakjewelry(m): 2:22pm On Feb 02
uzohrome:


Power of God fails?
Yes study ancient script you find out that a God's power increase or decrease with the amount energy he gets from worship, sacrifice, fear etc.

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Blakjewelry(m): 2:28pm On Feb 02
Lostz:
Satan was still in heaven with God . it was after Jesus resurrection to heaven that Satan was chase down

all things on earth are God's creation. even though some choose to be evil, he can still use them for his purpose
apart from some ancient Jewish script which many Christians haven't seen or heard can you point to anywhere in the old testament which indicates there was any problem between the devil and God?

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Lostz(m): 2:30pm On Feb 02
Blakjewelry:
apart from some ancient Jewish script which many Christians haven't seen or heard can you point to anywhere in the old testament which indicates there was any problem between the devil and God?
there are thousands of verse in the Bible that talks about the problem between God and devil. You should start by reading Genesis
Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by Inteltower: 3:14pm On Feb 02
beardlessdude:
who justifies you bro ? grin
1 Cor 10 vs 23:
Everything is lawful," but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is lawful," but not everything builds others up.

build others up That have no intention to actually learn.stop quoting verses out of context.

if you think you can do Better counsel him then
am done talking to your likes that want pampering always to understand God's word

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Re: Why Did God Send Evil Spirit To Torment King Saul? by MamaFryo(f): 3:17pm On Feb 02
Lostz:
there are thousands of verse in the Bible that talks about the problem between God and devil. You should start by reading Genesis
cool

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