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| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by chijokz(m): 12:46pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
press9jatv:Well said. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by professorPABX: 12:48pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
AlexBells:Thanks. I was in the Banking Hall at Ojota otherwise, I would have replied you immediately. You are the one speaking grammar and also interpreting it . You brought Time Factor. You brought Misinformation and Coordination. Today, You brought Misinformation and Disinformation. The INTENTION of media misinformation is Disinformation to awake the CONSCIOUSNESS of lazy protesters and miscreants that Protest is ongoing as at the time the information was posted very early in the morning and the one that was posted at 8.31 a.m on Saturday. gofundme and local Financial support from failed politicians and support from International Donor Organization on Good Governance Project are at work I know this based on experience and exposure. I will bring you the meaning of Misinformation and Disinformation from two perspectives. Misinformation is false or inaccurate information—getting the facts wrong. Disinformation is false information which is deliberately intended to mislead—intentionally misstating the facts. The spread of misinformation and disinformation has affected our ability to improve public health, address climate change, maintain a stable democracy, and more. American Psychological Association What is disinformation? Disinformation means “false information, as about a country’s military strength or plans, disseminated by a government or intelligence agency in a hostile act of tactical political subversion.” It is also used more generally to mean “deliberately misleading or biased information; manipulated narrative or facts; propaganda.” Misinformation is “false information that is spread, regardless of intent to mislead.” Dictionary.com Tomorrow, by 6.00a.m, they should post Day 6 at Ojota to awake boys to mobilize again . The INTENTION of media misinformation is Disinformation to awake the CONSCIOUSNESS of lazy protesters and miscreants. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by press9jatv(op): 12:58pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
chijokz:yes soo |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by Electorate: 1:09pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
press9jatv:Let me tag APC miscreants feeding on crumbs. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by press9jatv(op): 1:11pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
Electorate:Abeg tag them ooo |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by AlexBells(m): 1:19pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
professorPABX:We are arguing from two different perspective, maybe you are coming from an aid worker perspective, I’m a politician and military strategist. Check the term coordination regarding military/political situation. This argument is not needed because we are from different school of thought. Any soldier advanced soldier or advanced politician will easily get where I’m going. Coordination is not information it is the principle and dynamics of the information in impacting political or security objective. Coordination here is not referring to the media which is where you get it wrong it is referring to the movement of objectives which will break if information flow is broken and thereby impacting solution. Keep everyone in the dark and within 48 hours the music changes in every other places. What if the organizers use a cryptic system for information would the media still be a problem, what if the use the dark web, would misinformation and disinformation still be a problem, what if they use a satellite phones would the media be a problem. The summary is their coordination shouldn’t be broken otherwise you risk a multi-language situation. The language is same. Hunger, subsidy, hardship. It is not about the media, it is about the problem. Media propaganda can’t work if there’s no crack. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by DTaj: 1:25pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
Which Lagos streets did protesters storm today, Monday, aside OJOTA? I have made trips through V/I, Surulere and Ikeja today...Which major part of Lagos is this so-called protest holding, aside Ojota? Why would a little crowd in Ojota be said to be "Lagos streets"? MacArthur Foundation of the USA is truly funding bad press against African countries, by preying on gullible journalists and media owners. May God shame all enemies of Nigeria, including their Nigerian collaborators. Amen. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by Marc3500: 1:32pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
Nna mehn I don tire for this protest oo |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by harsysky(m): 1:36pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
press9jatv: Nicely written but good for nothing folks like YARIMU, HELLINANUS ,TEMPLERATRY, ETC, will not agree with you |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by press9jatv(op): 1:38pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
harsysky:seriously. They are just defending their slave masters niii |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by professorPABX: 1:55pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
AlexBells:You said you are a military strategist, I reserved my comment because you are delving into a very familiar terrain but I reserved my comment. You mentioned Signal mechanisms - crypto, satellite and others. In tactical warfare, Signal mechanisms are used for communication within the battalions at battle front and Commanders at the Headquarters. They are mainly classified. Media propaganda is public. The intention of information sent through Signal Mechanisms is different from propaganda on CNN, Aljazeera, X, Facebook and other Print, Electronics and Social Media. If there is a Media blockage of the protest as requested by the military , then let the protesters send cryptic information through satellite phones and unencrypted information through their private blogs. They can even send information that all the streets and markets in Lagos have been blocked by protesters. The protesters in other States are being propelled by the propaganda been released every morning from Lagos. It also awake the consciousness of protesters to mobilize at Ojota. Private communication can never achieve this. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by Hotspurs: 2:02pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
you and tinubu go run mad together forever Philipponzaghi: |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by Timmi: 2:06pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
lexy2014:It is now obvious that you can either not read nor comprehend or both. He who knows not that he know not, he is a f…l, shun him. MY LAST RESPONSE. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by Timmi: 2:14pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
press9jatv:See what your people caused Oga envelope collecting, non-credentialed pseudo journalist: “Ahmed Tailor arrested in kano today with 7 more flags, one of the sponsors of reasonable felony, flying of Russian flags and calling for anarchy in Kano, Nigeria at large” |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by lexy2014: 2:14pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
Timmi:but with all your comprehension and reading ability, am surprised that you cant answer simple questions. even a question that requires simple yes or no. 1. the question I asked you is "was it a must for tinubu to spend on those items?" yes or no did I ask you when the projects were budgeted for? 2. how were the rights of majority trampled upon the minority? dont you know the meaning of the word "how"? 3. how are the organisers of the protest the minority? 4. how did you conclude that "The majority are those not joining nor interested in the protest"? did you take a census? how did "they make the loudest audio noise" and where did "they make the loudest audio noise"? 5. who are Sowore's "clueless co-leaders"? 6. which havoc did they create in the land? if you say the protesters looted, destroyed and vandalised, what have those in positions of power been doing since May 29, 2023? 7. you claimed his children are abroad. since you made that claim, kindly tell me how you know that his children are abroad. 8. what are the children of the political leaders doing abroad? so No, you have nt answered my questions |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by AlexBells(m): 2:15pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
professorPABX:Now you are beginning to make sense, so you understand that the military have other signal mechanisms yet the protesters choices are limited. Now the protest is already live you are trying to manage a disaster. You understand that the lack of tactical signal medium makes the protesters rely on civilian model communication now if you break that chain of communication while event is already live how sure are you that the situation would be controlled? Now the protesters have access to other means of signal, telephone line, radio and the rest. In fact there were attempt to slow civilian communication only that it almost caused a revolt at the end nothing was achieved. The media can blow things out of proposition but reality is almost the same. Do we dwell on propaganda or reality. Propaganda worke yes but that’s only if reality is yielding. If the military post a picture of mammoth crowd protesting in Holly ghost Enugu here I’m not going out to check. You seem to forget reality. This is a ground for reaction game, that’s been the worst aspect of the tinubu administration because they try and say anything that comes to their mind without watching out for reaction. Now that you understand coordination and strategic signal. How are military able to carry out complex operation yet remain confidential. They have the tools. Are these tools available to civilian revolters? In most cases no so civilian relies on improvising civilian utility and when you break such utility their chain breaks and when that happens in a live situation in 6 out of 10 cases it ends in disaster. Never break the signal chain of a live operation. Unless if it is critically determined what the reaction can be. In this case reaction could be dark. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by press9jatv(op): 2:22pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
Timmi:North Korea flags will be distributed too. If Tinubu government isn’t doing the needful for the masses, his government will be overthrown. The power of the people is greater than his power in government. It’s just about time |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by Timmi: 2:40pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
press9jatv:Good for you and you will fail woefully |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by press9jatv(op): 2:51pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
Timmi:where? When the protest start last week, Tinubu makes every attempt to stalled it, but he failed woefully on that. He should just reduce this hardships on time or else the military will take over his government. The powers of the masses supersede the power of president |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by Timmi: 3:07pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
press9jatv:Why not shorten the wait time and go to the military barracks to attacks them and invite them to come and take over. What you cannot do through ballot box democratically, you want to do through violence. MORE GREASE TO YOUR ELBOWS. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by press9jatv(op): 3:08pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
Timmi:when the time comes you will see it manifesting. I don’t talk much. The powers of the masses supersedes presidential powers |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by Timmi: 3:10pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
press9jatv:Please do remind me. You already talked too much and have revealed your motive. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by professorPABX: 3:31pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
AlexBells:Your analysis didn't reveal you as a military strategist. I observed deeply your area of strategy and found none. Well, it is already too late. On Thursday August 1, writing with another borrowed account I said I want to write Bayo Onanuga and IGP about the CSO led by a lady at Ibadan. https://www.nairaland.com/8171760/oyo-residents-join-hardship-protest One of the placards had " End Democracy Now" another one had "Declare State of Emergency". The objective of the group is to End Democracy Now and for Military to take over and declare State of Emergency. That is why I read through all you have written to see which Corp you have core specialty - is it Infantry, Amour, Signal or Intelligence and found none. Later, I found out you said you are a politician. Your response is political. My observation on Thursday is based on intelligence observations. There is no difference between a person holding a Russian Flag and the person holding a banner "End Democracy Now". In 2022, a man who often come to a Church Camp said if Tinubu becomes President they will invite the Military to take over. I asked him who will invite the Military. He is a Delta IBO. When Tinubu became President last year, he became depressed and try to mobilize people about hunger, always complaining and try to convince people, he was threatened, he stopped coming because he was afraid. Propaganda has been used to drive the protest. There are other groups that are monitoring events. If the protest is allowed, those groups may come out. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by AlexBells(m): 4:12pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
professorPABX:It is amateurish to separate military from politics as I can assure you, military never leads a successful coup. You are dealing with a purely civilian revolt and you want to apply purely military principles that’s a total failure. How can you even summarize military as those of infantry, amour and intelligence. What about logistics, humanity and welfare. Engagement and civilian target. You can’t separate a refined military from other instruments of power. I identify more as a politician however politicians must be militarily informed. Because the most strategic military role is on the politician in a democracy and maybe monarchs and so on in other system of government. I still make it clear to you, meddling with civilian infrastructure will only worsen the situation, earlier I told you about time, you are only admitting that now everything is out of time. You can’t say it was a strategic patience all here have been a blunder. This is purely civilian affair and the military have little business here unless they are ready to provide food. The farms should be secured long ago. In all of these the problem is not being addressed. Forget the Russian flag and whatever headline you are seeing. Things are not yet out of hand the theme is hunger but the shenanigans is now leading to what I stressed earlier splinter and multi objective revolt now Russian flag is joining the trend. This trend will not gain ground in the south despite media exposure, what does that show you? Objective splinter is forming because the system is using mechanism that’s changing the narrative factors contributing to that civilian channel distortion and military approach to civilian situation in case like that the population respond and they are at liberty to chose their means m. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by professorPABX: 4:25pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
AlexBells:You are inexperienced. You are a politician. You are not a military strategist . What is the difference between End Democracy Now on the first day of protest at Ibadan and holding of Russian Flag today in the North? I will not answer you again. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by AlexBells(m): 4:51pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
professorPABX:Are you talking politics or talking military. You are digressing on the issue. So if someone says end democracy and waving Russian flag they are the same. You forget that in a democracy end democracy is also a democratic protest. We are looking at coordination not democracy. And I’m not going to be rerouted into discussing democracy or end of it. Is the theme everywhere not hunger and hardship until they narrative and handling started changing? Was Russian flag seen in the first day. You don’t just use lethal force on protesters and think they won’t respond I can assure you that the protesters are ready for any eventuality and they are trying to gain international attention but if Tunubu can address their grievance. Show remorse for the slain protesters as a strategic error and then bring a solution template those Russian flag will go back to where they came from which is some pieces of cheap fabric. You will understand if the loss of coordination continue. Please I’m not protesting, I have things I’m doing. I don’t want it to seem rude if I stop responding to this particular discuss. Time is a factor and only time will tell if there’s difference between coordination, misinformation and disinformation especially in strategic perspective politics or military they are not as separate as you think. |
| Re: Tinubu Didn’t Address Our Demands – Youths Storm Lagos Streets, Continue Protest by year2013: 5:12pm On Aug 05, 2024 |
Philipponzaghi:Please carry your 'I too know' character commot here. |
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