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Michael547:
Oga so where does the Bible say that a conscious spirit survives the death of a man and continues living elsewhere with the thought of the man?
How do you explain Psalms 146:4?

It is the body that returns to the ground.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Steep:
what is the context? Can an impersonal force have knowledge?

This place is talking about the man himself in his consciousness not when he is DEAD!

Steep:
It is the body that returns to the ground.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Oga where does the Bible say that the spirit is conscious after death and that it retains the thoughts of man?

Kingsempires:
He know what his saying.is just like telling me you practice the torah.

So you are saying that the Old testament contradicts the new testament in the Matter of consciousness after death?

Michael547:
So you are saying that the Old testament contradicts the new testament in the Matter of consciousness after death?

So why did Jesus descended into hell,why did jesus use the parable of the rich man and lazurus,hebrew9;27.guy the unconsiousness you are saying,so what you are trying to tell me is that human those not have spirit?

Michael547:
So you are saying that the Old testament contradicts the new testament in the Matter of consciousness after death?

By the way this is not the thread.the thread is Jesus is not God.there are many proof in the bible that Jesus is God

Kingsempires:
By the way this is not the thread.the thread is Jesus is not God.there are many proof in the bible that Jesus is God

Is Jesus the Almighty God? If yes, where does the Bible say so.

Kingsempires:
So why did Jesus descended into hell,why did jesus use the parable of the rich man and lazurus,hebrew9;27.guy the unconsiousness you are saying,so what you are trying to tell me is that human those not have spirit?

Where does the Bible say that Jesus spirit was conscious in hell after death?

If the Parable of Lazarus and the rich man was a true life story, where did the spirit of Lazarus who was the brother of Mary and Martha go to after he died before he was resurrected?

Michael547:
Where does the Bible say that Jesus spirit was conscious in hell after death?

If the Parable of Lazarus and the rich man was a true life story, where did the spirit of Lazarus who was the brother of Mary and Martha go to after he died before he was resurrected?

Ephesian4:9

Kingsempires:
Ephesian4:9

So where does Ephesians 4:9 say that Jesus was conscious In hell?
Is Ephesians 4:9 not talking about when Jesus died and was buried?

Michael547:
So it was not only Solomon that lied? Other faithful men of God lied too.

So many submissions under the Old Testament are not true in the light of the New Revelation Jesus brought. For instance Job said;

Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

By this statement, Job is saying that whatever happens, good or bad, God is responsible. But our Lord Jesus said;

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

The passage above reveals that the thief who is obviously the devil is the one responsible for the evils that happens around us and to us.

James also wrote;

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

So, if a loved one dies, God is not responsible. It's the devil. But Job's writing makes it look as though it was God. And so many preachers have used this verse in error to console families who lost someone

Ken4Christ:
So many submissions under the Old Testament are not true in the light of the New Revelation Jesus brought. For instance Job said;

Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

By this statement, Job is saying that whatever happens, good or bad, God is responsible. But our Lord Jesus said;

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

The passage above reveals that the thief who is obviously the devil is the one responsible for the evils that happens around us and to us.

James also wrote;

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

So, if a loved one dies, God is not responsible. It's the devil. But Job's writing makes it look as though it was God. And so many preachers have used this verse in error to console families who lost someone

Oga we are talking about consciousness after death....show me where the new testament contradicts the old testament.
Are you saying that Moses and Solomon lied that animals also have spirits?

Michael547:
Oga where does the Bible say that the spirit is conscious after death and that it retains the thoughts of man?

Saul sought the help of the Witch of Endor to summon the Spirit of Samuel. The Spirit cursed Saul eventually.

Michael547:
Is Jesus the Almighty God? If yes, where does the Bible say so.

To answer your question:

ISAIAH 52:5-7

5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Meanwhile Your watchtower teaching that Jesus is Angel Michael,

Where does the Bible say Jesus Christ was Angel Michael?

Tetraozonaitera:
To answer your question:

ISAIAH 52:5-7

5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Meanwhile Your watchtower teaching that Jesus is Angel Michael,

Where does the Bible say Jesus Christ was Angel Michael?

Oga are you sure it is Isaiah 52:5-7 that you quoted up there?

Tetraozonaitera:
Saul sought the help of the Witch of Endor to summon the Spirit of Samuel. The Spirit cursed Saul eventually.

Why would Saul need to go to a witch doctor to talk with the 'spirit of Samuel'?

Why did God forbid the isrealites from trying to communicate with dead people in Deuteronomy 18:11 as shown In the screenshot below?

Michael547:
Why would Saul need to go to a witch doctor to talk with the 'spirit of Samuel'?

Why did God forbid the isrealites from trying to communicate with dead people in Deuteronomy 18:11 as shown In the screenshot below?

Dont ask me such questions. Did the Bible confirm the witch was successful in summoning Samuel's spirit or not?

You guys think its everyone you can use Watchtower tricks for.
Did the witch summon the spirit?
Did the Bible say it was not the spirit of Samuel?
If it was not Samuels spirit, why did he curse Saul. Everyone knows Saul was wrong in all his actions.

Michael547:
Oga are you sure it is Isaiah 52:5-7 that you quoted up there?

Sorry, phillipians 2:6

Tetraozonaitera:
Dont ask me such questions. Did the Bible confirm the witch was successful in summoning Samuel's spirit or not?

You guys think its everyone you can use Watchtower tricks for.
Did the witch summon the spirit?
Did the Bible say it was not the spirit of Samuel?
If it was not Samuels spirit, why did he curse Saul. Everyone knows Saul was wrong in all his actions.

Oga Would Samuel communicate through a witch, something that God forbade?


If spirits of faithful men were conscious somewhere, don't you think that God would provide his own channel for people to communicate with them?

I ask you again, why did God Forbid the isrealites from trying to communicate with dead people in Deuteronomy 18:11 if conscious spirits of dead people existed after death?

Tetraozonaitera:
Sorry, phillipians 2:6

Here is philippians 2:6 in other versions of the Bible in the screenshot below

Tetraozonaitera:
Dont ask me such questions. Did the Bible confirm the witch was successful in summoning Samuel's spirit or not?
You guys think its everyone you can use Watchtower tricks for.
Did the witch summon the spirit?
Did the Bible say it was not the spirit of Samuel?
If it was not Samuels spirit, why did he curse Saul. Everyone knows Saul was wrong in all his actions.

If you're reading God's word there are certain events God wants His servants to learn from it doesn't mean what happened in those verses were the reality of things but to teach you the extent to which Satan and his demons can go to deceive people {2Corinthians 11:14} so if a demon appears to someone in the name of Jesus Christ God won't stop the demon dry deceiving you He expects you to dwell on His laws that is how your faith in God's word can be tested to show you truly trust (believe) God's laws.
Why did God forbid His worshipers from having to do with the spirit of the dead?
If you're not interested in that then it will be too easy for any demon to deceive you.

Take for instance a demon spoke through a means to King David telling Him to go and count the nation of Israel {2Samuel 24:1} David never knew it was Satan {1Chronicles 21:1} why did God allow that?

When Satan came to tempt Jesus did you think he came telling Jesus "i am Satan" ?

NO!

Satan came to speak as if it's God's Holy Spirit that's speaking to Jesus. Note that Satan came few seconds after God's Holy Spirit has concluded revealing certain things to Jesus {Luke 4:1-3} but Jesus who is perfect reasoned that it's not necessary to turn stone into bread just to satisfy his appetite though he could do it after all he created all these things {Colossians 1:15-16} yet he knew his father so much that if his father wants him to eat right there food will be brought to him {1King 19:7} since that's not the case Jesus became skeptical about the voice speaking to him until Satan came out openly to ask Jesus for worship with a bribe!
That's when Jesus now realize Ha! It's Satan! Matthew 4:10
But did Satan give up?
NO! He began watching Jesus closely to catch him some other time! Luke 4:13

So my guy reading the Bible is not enough but MEDITATING on what you're reading and asking questions {Proverbs 2:2-3 compare to Matthew 7:7} that's what will help you to have an accurate knowledge of God's word! Proverbs 2:5

May you have PEACE!

Michael547:
So where does Ephesians 4:9 say that Jesus was conscious In hell?
Is Ephesians 4:9 not talking about when Jesus died and was buried?

so what was his mission?men,this your logic.were did you see conscious in that verse.so are you trying to tell me man has no spirit ?

Kingsempires:
so what was his mission?men,this your logic.were did you see conscious in that verse.so are you trying to tell me man has no spirit ?

Oga below is Ephesians 4:9.....The pulpit commentary of bible hub on that verse says that the "lowest part of the earth refers to the grave" where he was buried.

Is that verse talking about Jesus spirit been conscious in hell fire After his death?
Are you saying that Hell fire is located in the grave on this earth?

Michael547:
Oga below is Ephesians 4:9.....The pulpit commentary of bible hub on that verse says that the "lowest part of the earth refers to the grave" where he was buried.

Is that verse talking about Jesus spirit been conscious in hell fire After his death?
Are you saying that Hell fire is located in the grave on this earth?

It's when Jehovah's Witnesses are commenting that some faithless miscreants will come around claiming they're believers.

Please read the post below and try to figure out what the poster is using his head to do about what the Bible really teach!

In the catholic church,they call mary mother of Jesus `virgin mary'.but in the bible matthew13:55.the bible called the names of Jesus brothers.so what still make mary mother of Jesus a virgin when she have other children?

That's a question from a member of the Catholic Church o!

MaxInDHouse:
If you're reading God's word there are certain events God wants His servants to learn from it doesn't mean what happened in those verses were the reality of things but to teach you the extent to which Satan and his demons can go to deceive people {2Corinthians 11:14} so if a demon appears to someone in the name of Jesus Christ God won't stop the demon dry deceiving you He expects you to dwell on His laws that is how your faith in God's word can be tested to show you truly trust (believe) God's laws.
Why did God forbid His worshipers from having to do with the spirit of the dead?
If you're not interested in that then it will be too easy for any demon to deceive you.

Take for instance a demon spoke through a means to King David telling Him to go and count the nation of Israel {2Samuel 24:1} David never knew it was Satan {1Chronicles 21:1} why did God allow that?

When Satan came to tempt Jesus did you think he came telling Jesus "i am Satan" ?

NO!

Satan came to speak as if it's God's Holy Spirit that's speaking to Jesus. Note that Satan came few seconds after God's Holy Spirit has concluded revealing certain things to Jesus {Luke 4:1-3} but Jesus who is perfect reasoned that it's not necessary to turn stone into bread just to satisfy his appetite though he could do it after all he created all these things {Colossians 1:15-16} yet he knew his father so much that if his father wants him to eat right there food will be brought to him {1King 19:7} since that's not the case Jesus became skeptical about the voice speaking to him until Satan came out openly to ask Jesus for worship with a bribe!
That's when Jesus now realize Ha! It's Satan! Matthew 4:10
But did Satan give up?
NO! He began watching Jesus closely to catch him some other time! Luke 4:13

So my guy reading the Bible is not enough but MEDITATING on what you're reading and asking questions {Proverbs 2:2-3 compare to Matthew 7:7} that's what will help you to have an accurate knowledge of God's word! Proverbs 2:5

May you have PEACE!

Nice taking time to explain. I would have loved to express my disagreement but my phone has issues.
Left for another time.
Remain blessed

Michael547:
Here is philippians 2:6 in other versions of the Bible in the screenshot below

Nice

Tetraozonaitera:
Nice taking time to explain. I would have loved to express my disagreement but my phone has issues.
Left for another time.
Remain blessed

Bless you too!

MaxInDHouse:
It's when Jehovah's Witnesses are commenting that some faithless miscreants will come around claiming they're believers.

Please read the post below and try to figure out what the poster is using his head to do about what the Bible really teach!


That's a question from a member of the Catholic Church o!

are you insane?why are bring this thread here why did'nt you say this in the thread.why are you behaving like a child,i made a thread you did'nt say anything there and now what you come here to do is to criticize me here.so can't i ask Question about my religion.what concern this my thread you post concern this thread or do you just want to criticize my here?is that how you JWS do in your religion

Kingsempires:
are you insane?why are bring this thread here why did'nt you say this in the thread.why are you behaving like a child,i made a thread you did'nt say anything there and now what you come here to do is to criticize me here.so can't i ask Question about my religion.what concern this my thread you post concern this thread or do you just want to criticize my here?is that how you JWS do in your religion

I did'nt even grow up in catholic i just converted not many years ago,so is it a crime to ask question in a religion.ok now i understand.that is a crime in jw to ask the leaders questions.

Kingsempires:
I did'nt even grow up in catholic i just converted not many years ago,so is it a crime to ask question in a religion.ok now i understand.that is a crime in jw to ask the leaders questions.

Are you the commentator?
If you are that makes you the most stupid human on planet earth!

No JW get baptized without first studying with mature members of the group to know all the things we believe because that's what makes us one of JWs.

How can you say you're converted into a group that you don't even know what they believe?

Today if you find anyone claiming he is a JW then questioning the group such a person is a CRIMINAL!

WHY?

Because you can't get baptized without studying the Bible with us to know everything we believe so if you later want to turn your back on the group the only thing we expect from you is to present a better performing group that's teaching what is more beneficial than Jehovah's Witnesses, in the absence of that it simply means you're a criminal trying to justify your past deeds that you already left after discovering they are evil!

Kingsempires:
are you insane?why are bring this thread here why did'nt you say this in the thread.why are you behaving like a child,i made a thread you did'nt say anything there and now what you come here to do is to criticize me here.so can't i ask Question about my religion.what concern this my thread you post concern this thread or do you just want to criticize my here?is that how you JWS do in your religion

If you're not insane how can you be running up and down the forum looking for JWs to criticize regarding their beliefs but look! You're not even in agreement with the religion you personally choose not the one imposed on you by anyone!

MaxInDHouse:
If you're not insane how can you be running up and down the forum looking for JWs to criticize regarding their beliefs but look! You're not even in agreement with the religion you personally choose not the one imposed on you by anyone!

Hmm!!