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Kingsempires:
Which question did you ask you.i na dey run ooo.

I said what does suratul tawbah chapter 17 said?what did suratul jin chapter 3 said?what does suratul al-isra chapter 177 said?what statement did prophet isa(jesus)(may Allah peace be with him) said at his birth time?

Leemzyy:
Do u even read what i wrote abt the black stone,i said it neither have d power 2 harm nor benefit,so why that question again,and yes na paganism be that are you okay?

I heard U clearly. U said it has no power to benefit.

That's why I'm asking, does the black stone have the power to forgive or remove sin of those that kiss it with a sincere heart?

I take God beg U, don't fall my hand this time. U already claimed here that U wine and dine with islamic scholars from Dubai and Qatar.
Can the black stone forgive sin?

Leemzyy:
Do u even read what i wrote abt the black stone,i said it neither have d power 2 harm nor benefit,so why that question again,and yes na paganism be that are you okay?

So if pouring gin on a stone as veneration to a deity is pagan practice

How come licking a black stone as veneration to your deity isn't pagan practice.

It doesn't make sense, pls explain.

Leemzyy:
Sorry to divert your question but plss can you tell me d diff between servant and son?pls tell me d diff

Servant has no inheritance except that which is given to him but a Son has inheritance, he's the heir of the whole inheritance.
Galatian 4.1-2

A servant has no place in the family forever, he's an outsider no matter how much he's loved. A son's place is in the family, he belongs there. He doesn't beg to be loved, he's already loved

Above is what Jesus is offering you....
John 8.
35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37

SIRTee15:
Servant has no inheritance except that which is given to him but a Son has inheritance, he's the heir of the whole inheritance.
Galatian 4.1-2

A servant has no place in the family forever, he's an outsider no matter how much he's loved. A son's place is in the family, he belongs there. He doesn't beg to be loved, he's already loved

Above is what Jesus is offering you....
John 8.
35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37

Auhm pls if you dont mind can we cont this tmrw?

Leemzyy:
I said what does suratul tawbah chapter 17 said?what did suratul jin chapter 3 said?what does suratul al-isra chapter 177 said?what statement did prophet isa(jesus)(may Allah peace be with him) said at his birth time?

so what now concern me concern this chapter you are bringing here,all this is in the favor of the Muslim so nothing concern me concern all this chapter you are calling

SIRTee15:
So finally U admit that if God has a son, he should be worshipped.
Alhamdulilah!!!
I now have small respect for U- just very small, because everybody here know saying your brain too dey touch, there are definitely missing screws in your brain.
But as we all know, even a dead clock is correct twice a day.
Anyway kudos to U. I respect people who doesn't choose and pick what to defend in their faith. It shows u are a honest and sincere Muslim even though it's a false religion.
Unlike Abutwin and Qasim who came here and denied surah 43.81, claiming the verse never said son of Allah should be worshipped. It shows they were embarrassed by that verse.

What kinda strawman argument is this?
Why are you lying bro?

What I pointed out to you is that the Qur'an refutes your(Christain) understanding of the term son of God. That the term son of God is an honorific title, it simply means a righteous servant of God and that is how the Jews understood it. It was the pagan Romans that took the meaning with Jesus to another level.

I quoted Qur'an 21:26 where Allah says
"And they say, “The Most Merciful has taken a son.” Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants."

SIRTee15:
The term Son of God was used to describe the Messiah who is to come and establish the kingdom of God on earth.
Because the Messiah is expected to be a divine being sent by the Father, the 2nd temple Judaism coined the term Son of God for this divine Messiah.

No one expects the messaih to be divine. and the term is not only used to describe the messaih. At least be truthful if you care about the truth!

SIRTee15:
It's not like there's a physical son that exist in heaven and would need to produce his own progeny.

Muhammed lived in a desert far away from civilisation, didn't know much about Christian theology and couldn't read or write.
He just dictated what he felt was his understanding of Christian belief based on his limited knowledge.
That's why I dont believe God spoke to Muhammed. It's just too glaring.
At least God would know what Christian believe and won't be committing blunders when it comes to correcting those beliefs.

You are just making nonsense up in your head and you are debunking the nonsense by yourself.

If you think an illetrate in 7th century Arabia can come up with the text of the Qur'an by just making it up in his head or just doing copy and paste job then it is very obvious how ignorant you are of the Qur'an.

You have no Idea what we have in our possession.

If Muhammad is not a prophet then no one is!

Qasim6:
What kinda strawman argument is this?
Why are you lying bro?

What I pointed out to you is that the Qur'an refutes your(Christain) understanding of the term son of God. That the term son of God is an honorific title, it simply means a righteous servant of God and that is how the Jews understood it. It was the pagan Romans that took the meaning with Jesus to another level.

I quoted Qur'an 21:26 where Allah says
"And they say, “The Most Merciful has taken a son.” Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants."

All this shalaye is not necessary. Just answer the question

If Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped ?

Just answer the question.

Leemzyy:
Do u even read what i wrote abt the black stone,i said it neither have d power 2 harm nor benefit,so why that question again,and yes na paganism be that are you okay?

Can you tell me why you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no benefit?


Your prophet says that the black stone forgives the sins of you Muslims

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 959
Ibn Ubaid bin Umair narrated from his father:
"Ibn Umar was clinging on the two corners (in a manner that I had not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet doing) so I said: 'O Abu Abdur-Rahman! You are clinging on the two corners in a manner that I have not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet clining.' So he said: 'I do it because I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "Touching them atones for sins." And I heard him saying: "Whoever performs Tawaf around this House seven times and he keeps track of it, then it is as if he freed a slave." And I heard him saying: "One foot is not put down, nor another raised except that Allah removes a sin from him and records a good merit for him."


Your prophet said that the black stone will testify for you on the day of judgement

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 961
Ibn Abbas narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said about the (Black) Stone: "By Allah! Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes by which it sees and a tongue that it speaks with, testifying to whoever touched it in truth."


Can you explain why did your prophet kissed the black stone if it is a useless ordinary stone?

Sahih al-Bukhari 1610
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
"I saw `Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said, (to it) 'Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you, (stone) I would not have kissed you.' "


cc: SIRTee15

Mr Qasim6, why do you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no single benefit?

TenQ:
Can you tell me why you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no benefit?


Your prophet says that the black stone forgives the sins of you Muslims

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 959
Ibn Ubaid bin Umair narrated from his father:
"Ibn Umar was clinging on the two corners (in a manner that I had not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet doing) so I said: 'O Abu Abdur-Rahman! You are clinging on the two corners in a manner that I have not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet clining.' So he said: 'I do it because I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "Touching them atones for sins." And I heard him saying: "Whoever performs Tawaf around this House seven times and he keeps track of it, then it is as if he freed a slave." And I heard him saying: "One foot is not put down, nor another raised except that Allah removes a sin from him and records a good merit for him."


Your prophet said that the black stone will testify for you on the day of judgement

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 961
Ibn Abbas narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said about the (Black) Stone: "By Allah! Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes by which it sees and a tongue that it speaks with, testifying to whoever touched it in truth."


Can you explain why did your prophet kissed the black stone if it is a useless ordinary stone?

Sahih al-Bukhari 1610
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
"I saw `Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said, (to it) 'Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you, (stone) I would not have kissed you.' "


cc: SIRTee15

Mr Qasim6, why do you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no single benefit?

so they practice all this things and yet they call Christianity a fake religion

SIRTee15:
All this shalaye is not necessary. Just answer the question

If Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped ?

Just answer the question.

I believe you are smarter than this, you are just intentionally acting otherwise because of your man-made doctrine.

The Qur'an totally refute Christainity understanding of the term "son of God" and tell us what the term truly mean. so why bother with the IF??

But to answer your question, since the Son is going to be family of God, then we have to worship him.

If God has a Mother should we worship her too?

Kingsempires:
so they practice all this things and yet they call Christianity a fake religion

Dont mind them.

They always assume that non-muslims are not aware of the idolatry that goes on in the name of Mohammed and Allah, so they tell lies to present themselves in the best modern light

Qasim6:
I believe you are smarter than this, you are just intentionally acting otherwise because of your man-made doctrine.

The Qur'an totally refute Christainity understanding of the term "son of God" and tell us what the term truly mean. so why bother with the IF??

But to answer your question, since the Son is going to be family of God, then we have to worship him.

If God has a Mother should we worship her too?

Leemzyy another of your Muslim brother answered your question.
Yes if Allah has a son, both the son and Allah will be worshipped.

And this leads to bigger problem for islam. because worshipping both Allah and his Son- 2 different beings is polytheism.
U are worshipping 2 gods.
And next question will be ...WHY IS THE QUR'AN ENTERTAINING THE THOUGHTS OF POLYTHEISM.

A BOOK THAT'S MEANT TO CORRECT CHRISTIAN WORSHIP IS SAYING BOWING DOWN TO 2 GODS IS NOT A SIN WITHIN CERTAIN CONTEXT.

why is Allah having such blasphemous thoughts. Polytheism is a sin- it doesn't matter the circumstances. Worshipping of 2 gods is a sin.

That's why I don't consider the Qur'an the word of God. It's the dictation of Muhammed's primitive thinking based on his understanding of Christian belief.

Now back to Qasim, why do U think God need a mother. Do U really think he has a physical Son.
What we call Son of God is just the word of God.
There's no physical Son in heaven.

Qasim6:
What kinda strawman argument is this?
Why are you lying bro?

What I pointed out to you is that the Qur'an refutes your(Christain) understanding of the term son of God. That the term son of God is an honorific title, it simply means a righteous servant of God and that is how the Jews understood it. It was the pagan Romans that took the meaning with Jesus to another level.

I'm not even going to bother debate this with U. Either produce evidence Son of God as a divine title came from Pagan Romans or stop confabulating.

Meanwhile I leave you with evidence of Son of God as divine Messiah from the dead sea scrolls.

Qasim6:
What kinda strawman argument is this?
Why are you lying bro?

No one expects the messaih to be divine. and the term is not only used to describe the messaih. At least be truthful if you care about the truth!

Learn the difference btw the phrase 'messiah' and 'the messiah'. The later is called 'Al mashiach'.
Once U learn the difference, come back and debate.

Meanwhile the divine Messiah is evident in the book of Daniel 7

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Qasim6:
If you think an illetrate in 7th century Arabia can come up with the text of the Qur'an by just making it up in his head or just doing copy and paste job then it is very obvious how ignorant you are of the Qur'an.

Muslims will never cease to amaze me, it's like U guys don't think.
because What I will never understand is this....your Qur'an clearly stated that the people of Mecca told Muhammed they have heard his message b4, they were not new or novel to them.
The people of Mecca told Muhammed they are familiar with the tales he's reciting.
They told him he's just reciting tales and myths of the ancient.
This mean the people of Arabia were very much aware of bible stories.

So how can people living around Muhammed know the bible stories but Muhammed had no clue until this Angel started telling him.

Illiteracy is widespread in ancient Arabia, Muhammed wasn't the only one who couldn't read or write. Yet majority of people knew the bible stories without reading the gospel or Torah.

Muhammed is not deaf, he had ears and could hear. Where was he when others became listening to bible stories? How come everyone around him were familiar with bible stories but Muhammed who hated polytheism didn't bother to acquaint himself with the only source of monotheism around him- the Torah and injil.
He had an uncle called waraka bin nafi who was a Christian and used to read out loud the gospel and Torah.
Yet U want me to believe Muhammad had to wait for one angel to learn bible stories.

Common man, don't play people for a fool. It's high time U young Muslims start asking your imams hard questions and not just repeating weak apologetics statement up and down.

When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say: "We have heard this before: if we wished, we could say words like these: these are nothing but tales of the ancients."

Qasim6:
You have no Idea what we have in our possession.


If Muhammad is not a prophet then no one is!

Yinmu....
In fact I'm beginning to think that there's nothing wrong in being a Muslim. Muslim is someone who submits to God.

We just have to cut out Muhammed and his fables as well as his false religion from the list of prophets; gbam and we will have TRUE MUSLIMS.

Muhammed is a confirmed gbajue ogboju false prophet.

Qasim6:
If you think an illetrate in 7th century Arabia can come up with the text of the Qur'an by just making it up in his head or just doing copy and paste job then it is very obvious how ignorant you are of the Qur'an.

When Muhammad presented his Qurans to the people, they did not believe him, instead they accused him of copying his Qurans from legends or tales of the ancient books i.e the gospel and Torah.

The Quranic verses below are testimonies how the people at the start of Islam reacted to the Qurans of Muhammad.

[Quran 8:31] And when Our verses are recited to them, they say, “We have heard before. If we want to, we could say something like this. This is not but legends of the former peoples.”

[Quran 16:24] And when it is said to them, “What has your Lord sent down?” They say, “Legends of the former peoples,”

[Quran 23:83] We have been promised this, we and our forefathers, before; this is not but legends of the former peoples.”

[Quran 25:5] And they say, “Legends of the former peoples which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon.”

This proves people during the time of Muhammed were very much familiar with bible stories, contrary to what Muslims want us to believe, the Qur'an confirms that bible stories were in circulation among commoners on those period.

Illiteracy was rampant, yet the peope heard and knew the bible stories. Even to the literates, copies of gospel and Torah was rare and hard to come by, let alone one written in Arabic.
The commonest way to know the stories is through word of mouth.

So how come people around Muhammed heard these bible stories but Muslims wants us to believe somehow Muhammed who wasn't deaf never heard this stories until Jibril started telling him.

Muslims will tell us Muhammed hated polytheism which was rampant in his days but didn't bother to acquaint himself with the only source of monotheism around him- the Torah and injil.
Something is seriously missing.

I keep saying it the miracle of Islam is not the Qur'an which is a false book anyway.
The miracle of Islam is that everyone in Mecca have heard the bible stories except Muhammed. He never knew the bible stories until angel Jibril appeared on stage BUT everyone else around him were familiar with this same stories. Hmmmmm...

It's a miracle indeed. May God help our Muslims brothers. They really need help.

Leemzyy:
Auhm pls if you dont mind can we cont this tmrw?

No problem, anytime anyday.
As I said earlier, I'm not here to convert anyone. That's the work of the holy spirit.
But what we do here is to use divine knowledge and inspiration open the eyes of those who have been misguided in their belief.
U need an alternative perspective for U to review that belief U think it's true and that's what we offer here with the help of the holy spirit.

SIRTee15:
B4 U jumped into the arena I warned U this place is not for the weak heart.
We bringing down satanic strongholds here thus once U enter be ready for battle.

I went thru your epistle but sorry to tell U I'm not convinced.
I don't believe you have memorised your Koran, I even doubt U read your Qur'an regularly.
The naive question U asked gave U away. No Muslim scholar will be stupid enough to ask such a question because they know it's a trap for them.

See the answer your Muslim colleague AntiChristian gave to that question. He admitted if God has a family- everyone in that family would be worshipped. He's validating surah 43.81.

How ignorant of U to ask me a question that exposes your own religion and validate Christianity.

I repeat again, U are very naive.

As per your waka up and down including Qatar....no be your fault.
In case U don't know, it's everybody's right to travel. Travelling is not a privilege but a right.
However, when our leaders have used poverty destroy our people...the few ones rich enough to travel will use it as a tool of oppression and arrogance.

By the way, as a Christian I don't need to travel to Jerusalem or Vatican to know about my God. He's a spirit and can reveal himself to me wherever I live and amongst the brethren I worship with. I dont need to learn any special language because God can commune with me in any language I speak.
Unlike a religion that the adherent need to learn Arabic in order communicate properly with their God. They must also travel to Mecca or middle east if they want to know more about their God because the God originated from middle east which them makes this god makes him an Arab God.

Finally U haven't answer my question
I have answers yours and your Muslim brother confirmed my answer. It's only fair to answer mine.

I will make it answer for U and not complicate things.
Do U think this picture below is pagan practice?
Be honest.

It seems you need to check into a psychiatric ward! You're seeing things that doesn't exist!

Anyways I don't expect you to change. It's Christian!

SIRTee15:
I will never understand Muslims. So U came here and attacked me of calling u deficient in knowledge when even your own books calls u deficient in knowledge and inferior to men when it comes to being a witness.

The religious books of Muslims confirmed women are deficient in knowledge. Muhammed himself said so.
Yes, Muhammed proclaimed women are definitely in knowledge and their witness is only half that of men.
Muhammed said the testimony of a Leemzyy is only half of that of AntiChristian.

Why are U not attacking Muhammed that called u deficient in knowledge and intellect.
But here shouting and raving just because I referenced what Muhammed said about her.

That's how I asked honesttalk why black Muslims are called Abd by Arab Muslims and he started fighting me claiming I insulted him.
Yet no black muslim will fight an Arab Muslim for calling them a racial slur abd.
Honesttalk told me it's not my business if Arab Muslims call black Muslims abd, yet he was very angry and accused me of calling him abd.

Seriously the Stockholm syndrome in islam needs to be researched and studied. It's beyond ordinary.

I need to reiterate the fact that you need to check in a psychiatric facility ASAP!

Yes, the testimony of two women is regarded as that of one man in Islam. The men are the protectors of the women and they are superior to them in terms of knowledge and strength, even biological.

And the way women were treated by Yahweh in the old testament was way worse! I think I will have to start a thread on this tomorrow!

The Christian acceptance of nonsense is what gave birth to the embrace of LGBTQ+ by some of you! Equality and other nonsense join!

And racism is not only in the Arab world. It is everywhere outside West Africa and Africa.

Even try go to some churches in Europe and see if you won't be racially profiled!

You just spilled hypocrisy!

AntiChristian:

Yes, the testimony of two women is regarded as that of one man in Islam. The men are the protectors of the women and they are superior to them in terms of knowledge





You just spilled hypocrisy!

Leemzyy, come and see what your muslim brother wrote about YOU.

This antichristian na baba fanatic and extremist. see what he wrote about women!!!!
Qasim, do u agree with him.

SIRTee15:
Leemzyy, come and see what your muslim brother wrote about YOU

As usual of most Christians you'll cut out words to mean exactly what you want!

Even Bible verses are done like that!

It's a Christian thing!

YAHWEH AND WOMEN!!!

GE 3:16, CO 11:3-9, EP 5:22-24, CN 3:18, TS 2:5, 1PE 3:1-6
The husband is to rule over his wife. Wives are to be subject to their husbands even when the husband is disobedient to God. Man is the image and glory of God, while woman is the glory of man. Man was not created for woman but woman for man.

GE 3:16 Women should suffer pain during childbirth. (Note: This verse was used by the Church to oppose the use of anesthesia during childbirth.)

EX 21:7-11
A father can sell a daughter into slavery to pay a debt. A daughter sold into slavery is not released at the end of six years as is an ordinary male slave.

EX 22:16-17
An unbetrothed virgin is required to marry her seducer.

LE 12:2
A woman who has a child, especially a female child, is unclean and purification rites are required.

LE 15:19
A woman who is menstruating is unclean. Anyone who touches her is unclean.

LE 15:20
Anything which a woman who is menstruating sits on or lies on is unclean.

LE 15:21
Anyone who touches the bed of a woman who is menstruating must wash his clothes and bathe, and is unclean until evening.

LE 15:22
Anyone who touches anything which was sat upon by a woman who is menstruating must wash his clothes and bathe, and is unclean until evening.

LE 15:28
After her flow stops, a woman who was menstruating must count off seven days before she is considered clean again. On the eighth day, she must present two birds to the priest for an atonement for having had a menstrual discharge.

LE 27:3-7
Males are more valuable than females.

NU 5:12-31
A woman suspected or accused of adultery is to be tested by making her drink the “water of bitterness,” or holy water mixed with dust from the floor. (Note: There is no such test for men.) In Anambra, na dead body wash water...

NU 31:18, 35, JG 21:12
Young virgins are considered a spoil of war and can be taken for the use of the victors.

DT 22:13-21
A bride in whom “the tokens of virginity” are not found is to be put to death. (Note: The bridegroom who falsely accuses his bride gets off with a fine.)

DT 22:23-24
A betrothed virgin who is seduced in the city is to be put to death unless she cries for help.

DT 22:28-29
A virgin who is raped must marry her rapist (if they are “found”).

DT 24:1-4
A man may divorce his wife simply because she displeases him.

DT 25:5-10
A man has an obligation to produce a child for his widowed sister-in-law.

DT 25:11
A wife who grabs her husband’s opponent by his “private parts” must have her hand cut off and is to be shown no pity.

JG 21:21
The Benjamites are commanded to take wives by hiding in the vineyards and then seizing the “daughters of Shiloh” as they come out to dance.

PR 31:10-31
The able wife is to bring only profit and no loss, rise before dawn, buy land prudently, plant a vineyard with her earnings, keep her lamp burning all night, gird herself to work, be generous to the poor, lend a hand to the forlorn, talk shrewd sense, offer kindly counsel, and never be idle.

New testament
1CO 11:3-10
A woman is to keep her head covered while praying or prophesying.

1CO 14:34-35
Women are to be silent in church. If they have any questions, they are to ask their husbands at home. It is a shame for women to speak in church.

1TI 2:9, 1PE 3:3
Women should not braid their hair, or wear gold or pearls or costly attire.

1TI 2:11-12
Women are to learn in silence (from men) in all submissiveness.

1TI 2:12
Women are not permitted to teach or have authority over men.

AntiChristian:
As usual of most Christians you'll cut out words to mean exactly what you want!

Even Bible verses are done like that!

It's a Christian thing!

YAHWEH AND WOMEN!!!

If u like copy and paste what u dont understand, na your business
U admit in your own words that in Islam, men are superior to women in intellect, thus making women deficient in knowledge.

regarding how Islam treat women, let me ask u a question.
Can a woman on her period pray in the mosque?

SIRTee15:
If u like copy and paste what u dont understand, na your business
U admit in your own words that in Islam, men are superior to women in intellect, thus making women deficient in knowledge.

regarding how Islam treat women, let me ask u a question.
Can a woman on her period pray in the mosque?

A woman is freed from prayer and fasting during her period and parturition...!

A woman's prayer is best at home!

How does this compare to Yahweh's law of women's period in the Bible?

SIRTee15:
And this leads to bigger problem for islam. because worshipping both Allah and his Son- 2 different beings is polytheism.
U are worshipping 2 gods.
And next question will be ...WHY IS THE QUR'AN ENTERTAINING THE THOUGHTS OF POLYTHEISM.

A BOOK THAT'S MEANT TO CORRECT CHRISTIAN WORSHIP IS SAYING BOWING DOWN TO 2 GODS IS NOT A SIN WITHIN CERTAIN CONTEXT.

Lol!

See what doctrine of trinity has done to an intelligent young man.
You just use your own hand to expose Christainity as a false religion.

Maybe you don't know, NONE of the first 3 century church fathers believed in the doctrine of trinity as you Christian believe it since the councils of Nicea&Constantinople. What they believed in was subordination at worst.

After christendom realize the pitfall of polytheism they have digged into by exalting Jesus as a god that is lesser than God almighty, that is when they started coming up with the nonsense God incarnate, hypostatic union and the likes to explain their confusion.

SIRTee15:
why is Allah having such blasphemous thoughts. Polytheism is a sin- it doesn't matter the circumstances. Worshipping of 2 gods is a sin.

That's why I don't consider the Qur'an the word of God. It's the dictation of Muhammed's primitive thinking based on his understanding of Christian belief.

Bro! this is what Qur'an have to say about God having a son

Q 19:88-93

"And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son".

You have done an atrocious thing.

The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation.

That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.

And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.

There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant."

So the idea of Allah having blasphemous thought is just nonsense that doesn't hold water.

SIRTee15:
Now back to Qasim, why do U think God need a mother. Do U really think he has a physical Son.
What we call Son of God is just the word of God.
There's no physical Son in heaven.

Catholics refer to Mary as mother of God, hence they give her some divine attributes by praying to her. Do you think it is wrong?

Q 10:68 They say, “Allah has taken a son.” Glory be to Him! He is the Self-Sufficient. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. You have no proof of this! Do you say about Allah what you do not know?

God is self sufficient, He does not need a Mother or a Son(in any shape or form) to dispose all his affairs.

Why do you think God needs a Son in any shape or form?

Qasim6:
Lol!

See what doctrine of trinity has done to an intelligent young man.
You just use your own hand to expose Christainity as a false religion.

Maybe you don't know, NONE of the first 3 century church fathers believed in the doctrine of trinity as you Christian believe it since the councils of Nicea&Constantinople. What they believed in was subordination at worst.

After christendom realize the pitfall of polytheism they have digged into by exalting Jesus as a god that is lesser than God almighty, that is when they started coming up with the nonsense God incarnate, hypostatic union and the likes to explain their confusion.


Bro! this is what Qur'an have to say about God having a son

Q 19:88-93

"And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son".

You have done an atrocious thing.

The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation.

That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.

And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.

There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant."

So the idea of Allah having blasphemous thought is just nonsense that doesn't hold water.




Catholics refer to Mary as mother of God, hence they give her some divine attributes by praying to her. Do you think it is wrong?

Q 10:68 They say, “Allah has taken a son.” Glory be to Him! He is the Self-Sufficient. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. You have no proof of this! Do you say about Allah what you do not know?

God is self sufficient, He does not need a Mother or a Son(in any shape or form) to dispose all his affairs.

Why do you think God needs a Son in any shape or form?

The guy is just seeing things that don't exist!
That's how they interpret Bible too!

Just pick a verse and blow it over than what it means to justify what you have in mind!

Qasim6:
Lol!

See what doctrine of trinity has done to an intelligent young man.
You just use your own hand to expose Christainity as a false religion.

Maybe you don't know, NONE of the first 3 century church fathers believed in the doctrine of trinity as you Christian believe it since the councils of Nicea&Constantinople. What they believed in was subordination at worst.

After christendom realize the pitfall of polytheism they have digged into by exalting Jesus as a god that is lesser than God almighty, that is when they started coming up with the nonsense God incarnate, hypostatic union and the likes to explain their confusion.


Bro! this is what Qur'an have to say about God having a son

Q 19:88-93

"And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son".

You have done an atrocious thing.

The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation.

That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.

And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.

There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant."

So the idea of Allah having blasphemous thought is just nonsense that doesn't hold water.




Catholics refer to Mary as mother of God, hence they give her some divine attributes by praying to her. Do you think it is wrong?

Q 10:68 They say, “Allah has taken a son.” Glory be to Him! He is the Self-Sufficient. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. You have no proof of this! Do you say about Allah what you do not know?

God is self sufficient, He does not need a Mother or a Son(in any shape or form) to dispose all his affairs.

Why do you think God needs a Son in any shape or form?

The joke is on you and Islam.
Christian don't worship 2 gods whether U believe it or not isn't my headache.
But the bigger problem is Allah made it clear it's permissible to worship 2 gods ' under some special circumstances'- if he has a son.
Polytheism is a sin under any circumstances or context whatever whether real or imagined.
That's the problem with that verse 43.81

Even if Allah has a family- He should be the only one to be worshipped in that family. If anyone else is worshipped- it automatically becomes polytheism.


Most ancient mythology including greek, Egypt, near east all had god deity with families who were all worshipped.
God called it POLYTHEISM.

Your problem stems from lack of understanding of who the Son of God is in Christian theology. He's the word of God NOT a physical son.

Son of God is an anthropomorphism for the incarnate word of God. He's not a physical Son. God needs his word...not a physical son.
Go and read Read John 1.

Regarding trinity, I don't know if I'm in the mood to debate with U because it's so obvious U haven't done any independent research on trinity except what U learnt in Muslim apologetics.

Start by reading Tertullian- the first church father to coin the word trinity. He died in 240 AD at the age of 80.
That was 100 yrs b4 council of Constantinople.

SIRTee15:
The joke is on you and Islam.
Christian don't worship 2 gods whether U believe it or not isn't my headache.
But the bigger problem is Allah made it clear it's permissible to worship 2 gods ' under some special circumstances'- if he has a son.
Polytheism is a sin under any circumstances or context whatever whether real or imagined.
That's the problem with that verse 43.81

Even if Allah has a family- He should be the only one to be worshipped in that family. If anyone else is worshipped- it automatically becomes polytheism.


Most ancient mythology including greek, Egypt, near east all had god deity with families who were all worshipped.
God called it POLYTHEISM.

Your problem stems from lack of understanding of who the Son of God is in Christian theology. He's the word of God NOT a physical son.

Son of God is an anthropomorphism for the incarnate word of God. He's not a physical Son. God needs his word...not a physical son.
Go and read Read John 1.

Regarding trinity, I don't know if I'm in the mood to debate with U because it's so obvious U haven't done any independent research on trinity except what U learnt in Muslim apologetics.

Start by reading Tertullian- the first church father to coin the word trinity. He died in 240 AD at the age of 80.
That was 100 yrs b4 council of Constantinople.

No bro, the joke is on Christainity.

WE KNOW WHO WE WORSHIP!

Gather 100 Christians in a room and ask them about the nature of Jesus and see confusion flying left and right. So the Joke is all on you and entire Christendom.

Christainity understanding of the term son of God is incoherent and illogical just like your doctrine of trinity, so don't come here and be telling us lack of understanding bla bla bla.

The fact that Tertullian is the first to used the term trinity does not mean he had the same understanding as Christians post nicene-contatinople councils.

Tertullian believed the son is not eternal which is contradictory to how they define the trinity in the later creed

Here is a quote from Tertullian
"Because God is in like manner a father, and He is also a judge, but he has not always been a father and judge, merely on the ground of his having always been a God. For HE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE FATHER PREVIOUS TO THE SON, nor a judge previous to sin........"

So I repeat NO CHURCH FATHER FOR THE FIRST 3 CENTURY OF CHRISTAINITY BELIEVED IN THE DOCTRINE OF TRINITY AS YOU HAVE BELIEVE IT SINCE NICEA/CONSTANTINOPLE COUNCILS

AntiChristian:
The guy is just seeing things that don't exist!
That's how they interpret Bible too!

Just pick a verse and blow it over than what it means to justify what you have in mind!

I tire for him

He's trying to make a case of polytheism from the Qur'an.

His delusion knows no bound.

SIRTee15:
No problem, anytime anyday.
As I said earlier, I'm not here to convert anyone. That's the work of the holy spirit.
But what we do here is to use divine knowledge and inspiration open the eyes of those who have been misguided in their belief.
U need an alternative perspective for U to review that belief U think it's true and that's what we offer here with the help of the holy spirit.

Hmm am sorry i was late,now can we do this?i want to talk more about islam to you and oneness of God(Allah) in both of the holy book,so can i?

SIRTee15:
I'm not even going to bother debate this with U. Either produce evidence Son of God as a divine title came from Pagan Romans or stop confabulating.

Meanwhile I leave you with evidence of Son of God as divine Messiah from the dead sea scrolls.

What exactly are you showing here?

The Jews do not understand the term son of God to mean divine son of God. To them It simply mean a righteous servant of God.

So what exactly are we supposed to make out of this qumran document??

Well what did Allah said about isa(as) that is jesus,am just an expertise in the quran so i will be using it,in 4:157-158"they blasphemsy boast and say we kill jesus the son of mary and the messanger of God while infact they neither did kill him nor crucify him,but they were deceived by resemblance also the next chapter state that there is none from the people of the book,but shall certainly believe in him b4 he dies,this shows that jesus will come again 2 d world b4 d judgment day also the"before he dies" it means every christian and jew will believe in isa as a prophet and not as a God

the oneness of God in the quran according to Jesus,now see these verses i will be quoting from the Quran 5:72 Said"and they surely disbelieved when they said:christ the son of mary is indeed God,whereas christ had said"children of israel worship Allah who is your lord and my lord,Allah has forbidden paradise to those who associate any thing with him and their home shall be hell fire 43:63=when jesus came with clear signs and he said"now have i come to you with wisdom in order to make clear to you some of the points on which he dispute;therefore fear Allah and obey me 5:73=those who say Allah is one in a trinity have certainly fallen into disbelief;thee is only one God,if they do not stop saying this,those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment 5:75 christ is the son of mary and was no more than a messager,many were there messengers that passed away before him,his mother was a woman of truth,they both had 2 eat their daily food