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Sapasenator:
Op, that you did not see any ghosts does not disprove or prove the existence of ghosts. If you doubt voodoo, I can take you to a place in Sango Ota where a potent oruka will be tested on you and if you remain normal afterward, I will pay you 200k. I honestly believe we are not alone in the universe, I do not believe in religion, church, or mosques but I know some experiences can't be conformed with our senses alone.

Why do you guys always have to take someone someplace to prove a point? In these days of insecurity? Why can't you prove it in Lagos where I stay? Or better still send the jazz to me?

jaephoenix:
You contradicted yourself. If you say there are ways to evaluate oxygen, how do we evaluate voodoo

With Voodoo, I cannot disprove or prove, I can only talk of experiences and eyewitness events which I have been a party to growing up. Do you see what I am saying? With oxygen, we can measure, weigh, and measure. Vodoo might require more studies but I would not allow someone to use a fetish oruka on me just to prove I do not believe.

jaephoenix:
Right. So is this number on whatsapp. I wanna take a screenshot and create a thread so as to make it public

Alright. Hit me up.

Sapasenator:
I believe in the existence of supernational forces even though I may not be able to offer empirical proof for my beliefs. In one instance when I was younger, I had a friend called Kabiru, He was a 100-level student of engineering at OAU at the time.

He was trying to separate fights between two individuals, one of them brought a ring (oruka), [b]Inserted it into one of his fingers, and attempted to slap the other guy with the ring, Kabiru came in-between, was slapped on the body with the ring [/b]and he fell dead instantly.

This is explainable science since the effect is known to have come from the ring and not supernatural.

jaephoenix:
I don't understand that statement. Please rephrase…

Some "evidence" are false and misleading that is why we have to be careful of believing something simply because there's an "evidence".

For any argument,you shall see the evidence for and against the motion online if you search for it.

Heck,some people have "evidence" that God doesn't exist,some have "evidence" that we actually evolve out of apes and not created,some have "evidence" that gender is a social construct,are you getting me?

Sapasenator:
You raised a good question, He just slumped and died on the spot immediately after his body came in contact with the ring, I was an eye witness and never separated or got involved when two people were fighting afterward. Vodoo originated from West Africa and we may need to conduct in-depth studies, it is also a possibility the guy may have had a pre-existing medical condition leading to his death, unfortunately, an autopsy was never conducted to find out the cause of death.

I grew up in a community infested with voodoo and paganism, with people always making incantations and may never be able to empirically prove some of these things but they are physical experiences that cannot be dismissed as not existing.

1. Okay, was he declared dead there or at the hospital? You didn't answer the question about the secondary impact(whether he landed with his head).The point I am trying to make is this. If he fell on his head, he may have sustained a head injury AND WOULDN'T HAVE DIED IMMEDIATELY BUT WOULD BE UNCONSCIOUS. We can manage head injuries promptly if he's presents at least 1 hr post impact.
Did anyone check his vitals to at least attempt to certify him dead, like check his central pulse, his respiration or pupillary dilation etc? Without all those vitals check, he could be unconscious from a head injury, possibly an extradural hemorrhage.
2. The veracity of voodoo is redundant. If voodoo is strong like you guys insinuate, the white man wouldn't overrun African countries. Even Haiti that is supposed to be the voodoo headquarters was easily subdued be the French. Does it mean the bullet is stronger than your supernatural jazz? The 'odieshi' if it works would have made Nigeria or Africa very powerful in terms of military strength. But guess what, we are still begging military hardware from the US. The US would have been begging us for 'odieshi' power if truly it works.
Learn to reason logically

jaephoenix:
1. Okay, was he declared dead there or at the hospital? You didn't answer the question about the secondary impact(whether he landed with his head).The point I am trying to make is this. If he fell on his head, he may have sustained a head injury AND WOULDN'T HAVE DIED IMMEDIATELY BUT WOULD BE UNCONSCIOUS. We can manage head injuries promptly if he's presents at least 1 hr post impact.
Did anyone check his vitals to at least attempt to certify him dead, like check his central pulse, his respiration or pupillary dilation etc? Without all those vitals check, he could be unconscious from a head injury, possibly an extradural hemorrhage.
2. The veracity of voodoo is redundant. If voodoo is strong like you guys insinuate, the white man wouldn't overrun African countries. Even Haiti that is supposed to be the voodoo headquarters was easily subdued be the French. Does it mean the bullet is stronger than your supernatural jazz? The 'odieshi' if it works would have made Nigeria or Africa very powerful in terms of military strength. But guess what, we are still begging military hardware from the US. The US would have been begging us for 'odieshi' power if truly it works.
Learn to reason logically

I never said Voodoo was strong, that is you setting up a straw man in your head, I only alluded to the fact that the existence of Voodoo may not be easily dismissed like some people often do and I can only talk to my own physical experience.

SunShowAfrica:
This is explainable science since the effect is known to have come from the ring and not supernatural.

Has anyone demonstrated that one can die from the ring, apart from hearsays and anecdotes

jaephoenix:
You have brought up this your false software dichotomy that we have debunked. We can interface with it in many forms

Yes, you can see softwares embedded in a machine: debunked indeed!
Boo hoo!
LOL!

jaephoenix:
Yeah, you are right. But if OP had been touched or slapped by a ghost, he'd have believed they existed. But in this case, neither did he interface in any form with them. With oxygen, we can interact and interface with it

Tell me, when you breathe, how did you interact with Oxygen?
What was the feeling like? Was it "pepperish" or it had a perfume kind of smell?

Badmashiii:
Some "evidence" are false and misleading that is why we have to be careful of believing something simply because there's an "evidence".

For any argument,you shall see the evidence for and against the motion online if you search for it.

Heck,some people have "evidence" that God doesn't exist,some have "evidence" that we actually evolve out of apes and not created,some have "evidence" that gender is a social construct,are you getting me?

For the avoidance of doubt, this is the definition of evidence.

Something that furnishes proof.
It also means something that can be demonstrated anytime, anywhere, and by anyone.

There is evidence we evolved from the great apes, its not hearsay. There is genetic proof. About the existence of a god, there is no evidence. The existence of a universe doesn't prove the existence of a creator, cos that would beg the question of who created that creator

Sapasenator:
I never said Voodoo was strong, that is you setting up a straw man in your head, I only alluded to the fact that the existence of Voodoo may not be easily dismissed like some people often do and I can only talk to my own physical experience.

So basically you cannot bring evidence that in fact the dude died via the ring, right?

TenQ:
Tell me, when you breathe, how did you interact with Oxygen?
What was the feeling like? Was it "pepperish" or it had a perfume kind of smell?

Lol. When one breathes oxygen, the oxygen interacts with heme and is carried to tissues to provide energy via ATP. That energy is what powers the tissues. Without oxygen, the tissues gradually die off starting from the brain cells.
I have explained this process on this thread but somehow your thick skull cannot assimilate any scientific fact. And tomorrow you'll say you understand science.

TenQ:
Yes, you can see softwares embedded in a machine: debunked indeed!
Boo hoo!
LOL!

Since you can see the software, what other evidence do you need?

jaephoenix:
Lol. When one breathes oxygen, the oxygen interacts with heme and is carried to tissues to provide energy via ATP. That energy is what powers the tissues. Without oxygen, the tissues gradually die off starting from the brain cells.
I have explained this process on this thread but somehow your thick skull cannot assimilate any scientific fact. And tomorrow you'll say you understand science.

All these you felt when you breathe!?

Why are you appealing to the opinion of "experts" in the field. Did the OP appeal to anyone outside himself.

Please keep it simple. Use the exact logic of the OP.
He went to a grave, he saw nothing, felt nothing, heard nothing: his conclusion - ghosts or spirits do not exist!


Likewise:
I have been breathing, I feel nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing: my conclusion -Oxygen gas so not exist!

Deal with that!

jaephoenix:
Since you can see the software, what other evidence do you need?

Sometimes, I wonder the kind of education people like you have.

How does the embedded software in a machine look like or better still, what are it's physical properties?

I am just curious!

jaephoenix:
Has anyone demonstrated that one can die from the ring, apart from hearsays and anecdotes

Seen the effects before back in secondary school

jaephoenix:
1. So u r saying some stuff weren't created?
2. Is god an intelligent being? If yes, who created him/her/them/it?
3. Please rephrase that point. Telling me i keep running away is deflecting from the point

1. I'm not about whether some stuff were created or not. That's not what I'm discussing with you. I'm telling you that anything that is intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose must have a creator or a manufacturer. The creator created it with an intention to make it fulfil that purpose, he/she then intelligently goes to work to create/make or manufacture that thing that fulfils that specific purpose. If there's an intelligent design in things that are existing to fulfil specific purposes, the existence of a Creator being behind such purposeful designs cannot be argued against. Period!

2. All those questions of 'Who created God' etc are unintelligent questions because there's no rule or law that says a Creator MUST be created. Or that a Manufacturer must be manufactured. Additionally, If you don't know how a Creator or a Manufacturer came into being, it's foolishness to conclude that such manufacturer or creator does not exist based on your ignorance of how He/She came into being.

3. If you missed the entire points of my discussion, of what relevance is rephrasing the words for someone who is discussing matters that were never raised?

TenQ:
All these you felt when you breathe!?

Why are you appealing to the opinion of "experts" in the field. Did the OP appeal to anyone outside himself.

Please keep it simple. Use the exact logic of the OP.
He went to a grave, he saw nothing, felt nothing, heard nothing: his conclusion - ghosts or spirits do not exist!


Likewise:
I have been breathing, I feel nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing: my conclusion -Oxygen gas so not exist!

Deal with that!

Okay. So how are the 'experts' in the field of the supernatural providing credible evidence of the existence of the supernatural?

jaephoenix:
Okay. So how are the 'experts' in the field of the supernatural providing credible evidence of the existence of the supernatural?

For now, that's not my business as the OP never said anything about the consensus of the experts in making his conclusion

TenQ:
Sometimes, I wonder the kind of education people like you have.

How does the embedded software in a machine look like or better still, what are it's physical properties?

I am just curious!

Ok. Lemme break this down to kindergarten level.
I'm using my phone to chat you up on Nairaland. Now with only the phone hardware, which includes the processor, RAM, storage etc, it is not possible to chat. But with the software, in this case known as the operating system, its now possible to send commands to this software and it responds and transmits the info via the internet.
Does this not show the software is tangible?
Please refund your school fees your parents paid for your education

SunShowAfrica:
Seen the effects before back in secondary school

Pray, tell us the effects

FxMasterz:
1. I'm not about whether some stuff were created or not. That's not what I'm discussing with you. I'm telling you that anything that is intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose must have a creator or a manufacturer. The creator created it with an intention to make it fulfil that purpose, he/she then intelligently goes to work to create/make or manufacture that thing that fulfils that specific purpose. If there's an intelligent design in things that are existing to fulfil specific purposes, the existence of a Creator being behind such purposeful designs cannot be argued against. Period!

2. All those questions of 'Who created God' etc are unintelligent questions because there's no rule or law that says a Creator MUST be created. Or that a Manufacturer must be manufactured. Additionally, If you don't know how a Creator or a Manufacturer came into being, it's foolishness to conclude that such manufacturer or creator does not exist based on your ignorance of how He/She came into being.

3. If you missed the entire points of my discussion, of what relevance is rephrasing the words for someone who is discussing matters that were never raised?

On your first point, you said any intelligent product must have a creator. Then in your second point you said a creator must not have a creator. So are you saying a creator is not an intelligent creation or product?
Lol. You'll committed a big fallacy of special pleading and you don't care.

TenQ:
For now, that's not my business as the OP never said anything about the consensus of the experts in making his conclusion

So I'm asking you now. Ignore the OP for now. What are the experts showing as evidence of the supernatural?

jaephoenix:
So I'm asking you now. Ignore the OP for now. What are the experts showing as evidence of the supernatural?

Why should I. My major objective was to show the illogicality of his conclusion , otherwise, I am done

jaephoenix:
Ok. Lemme break this down to kindergarten level.
I'm using my phone to chat you up on Nairaland. Now with only the phone hardware, which includes the processor, RAM, storage etc, it is not possible to chat. But with the software, in this case known as the operating system, its now possible to send commands to this software and it responds and transmits the info via the internet.
Does this not show the software is tangible?
Please refund your school fees your parents paid for your education

It's easy, just show us the physical properties of the software embedded in a machine.

This is a sufficient proof.

TenQ:
Why should I. My major objective was to show the illogicality of his conclusion , otherwise, I am done

I thought as much. Mr. Artful Dodger
Next time, stop making useless comments you can't defend

TenQ:
It's easy, just show us the physical properties of the software embedded in a machine.

This is a sufficient proof.

These stupid posts are the physical properties of the softwares

jaephoenix:
For the avoidance of doubt, this is the definition of evidence.

Something that furnishes proof.
It also means something that can be demonstrated anytime, anywhere, and by anyone.

There is evidence we evolved from the great apes, its not hearsay. There is genetic proof. About the existence of a god, there is no evidence. The existence of a universe doesn't prove the existence of a creator, cos that would beg the question of who created that creator

Seems like you fell into the group i was refering to.

Well,you can believe whatever you want,but the reality still remains.

Badmashiii:
Seems like you fell into the group i was refering to.

Well,you can believe whatever you want,but the reality still remains.

Which reality? A concept you can't prove? Obviously u dont know what reality is

jaephoenix:
These stupid posts are the physical properties of the softwares

I see!

jaephoenix:
These stupid posts are the physical properties of the softwares

I challenge you to show any claims I made on this thread with regards to ghosts or spirits. This is how intoxicated people spew lies from their mouths