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Leemzyy:
Lol so clearly u mean jesus nw dey lie right?

Why are Muslims deceptive and untrustworthy?

1. I challenge you to show that my answer told you that Jesus told lies?
2. I asked you if Allah was Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient: you omitted the quality of Allah as Omnipresent.

How can Allah be God when he isn't Omnipresent?

Allah is not even Omnipotent:
And I asked you,
Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah?

Allah is also not Omniscient: this can easily be shown from the Qur'an.

You should bow your head in shame that you elevated the chief idol of the Kaaba to the creator of the universe.

How is the Taoheed of Allah different from the Taoheed of Shaitan?

TenQ:
Why are Muslims deceptive and untrustworthy?

1. I challenge you to show that my answer told you that Jesus told lies?
2. I asked you if Allah was Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient: you omitted the quality of Allah as Omnipresent.

How can Allah be God when he isn't Omnipresent?

Allah is not even Omnipotent:
And I asked you,
Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah?

Allah is also not Omniscient: this can easily be shown from the Qur'an.

You should bow your head in shame that you elevated the chief idol of the Kaaba to the creator of the universe.

How is the Taoheed of Allah different from the Taoheed of Shaitan?

Lolzz mr man you avoiding this simple question i said,is jesus lying about Allah?

Leemzyy:
Lolzz mr man you avoiding this simple question i said,is jesus lying about Allah?

If you cannot answer my questions without LIES, take your leave.

It is your prophet who tells lies that he would not commit fornication with Mary the Copt but still went out to do so.

It's your prophet who doesn't have any sexual boundaries such that he shamelessly collected the wife of his adopted son.

It's your prophet that enjoys sleeping with 8 years old at 53.

If Allah is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent, he cannot be God no matter how many times you chant laillaihllalah

Qasim6:
If you read the evidence you presented very well, you will know what I claimed is correct

what evidence do you know me to should you again that what he quoted was 325 ad and not 381 ad go Google it. Is open and clear in Google.

TenQ:
If you cannot answer my questions without LIES, take your leave.

It is your prophet who tells lies that he would not commit fornication with Mary the Copt but still went out to do so.

It's your prophet who doesn't have any sexual boundaries such that he shamelessly collected the wife of his adopted son.

It's your prophet that enjoys sleeping with 8 years old at 53.

If Allah is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent, he cannot be God no matter how many times you chant laillaihllalah

Lolzzz 5:72 said and surely they disbelieve when they said"christ the son of mary is indeed God,whereas christ had said"children of israel,worship Allah who is your lord and my lord,Allah has forbid paradise to those who associate any thing with him and their refuge will be hell fire

Leemzyy:
Lolzzz 5:72 said and surely they disbelieve when they said"christ the son of mary is indeed God,whereas christ had said"children of israel,worship Allah who is your lord and my lord, Allah has forbid paradise to those who associate any thing with him and their refuge will be hell fire

Repeating falsehood doesn't free you from the falsehood of your fraudulent religion!

Allah cannot even define Trinity accurately in the Qur'an! Confused and Deceived slave of the Al-Makr!

Either you answer my questions or keep deceiving yourself

TenQ:
Repeating falsehood doesn't free you from the falsehood of your fraudulent religion!

Allah cannot even define Trinity accurately in the Qur'an! Confused and Deceived slave of the Al-Makr!

Either you answer my questions or keep deceiving yourself

Lol mr man,also look at this,in the day of judgement,what jesus will say to the christians(mathew 7:22-24)22=many will say to me on that day"lord lord,did we not prophesy in your name,and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles,23=then i will tell them plainly"i never knew you,depart from me,you worker of lawlessness,24=therefore everyone who listen to this word of mine and act on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock

Leemzyy:
Lol mr man,also look at this,in the day of judgement,what jesus will say to the christians(mathew 7:22-24)22=many will say to me on that day"lord lord,did we not prophesy in your name,and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles,23=then i will tell them plainly"i never knew you,depart from me,you worker of lawlessness,24=therefore everyone who listen to this word of mine and act on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock

I can see that's the way you understood the verse

Kingsempires:
I can see that's the way you understood the verse

Na true or not mr man?

Leemzyy:
Lol mr man,also look at this,in the day of judgement,what jesus will say to the christians(mathew 7:22-24)22=many will say to me on that day"lord lord,did we not prophesy in your name,and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles,23=then i will tell them plainly"i never knew you,depart from me,you worker of lawlessness,24=therefore everyone who listen to this word of mine and act on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock

Did Mohammed ever met Jesus? No!
Was there any evidence that he saw Jibril? No!

Is Allah not the name of the chief idol of the Quraysh tribe?

Mohammed transformed your God LAH to to the status of the God of Israel.



Don't forget that you escaped from answering my first question to you.

Leemzyy:
Do u even read what i wrote abt the black stone,i said it neither have d power 2 harm nor benefit,so why that question again,and yes na paganism be that are you okay?

Can you tell me why you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no benefit?


Your prophet says that the black stone forgives the sins of you Muslims

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 959
Ibn Ubaid bin Umair narrated from his father:
"Ibn Umar was clinging on the two corners (in a manner that I had not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet doing) so I said: 'O Abu Abdur-Rahman! You are clinging on the two corners in a manner that I have not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet clining.' So he said: 'I do it because I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "Touching them atones for sins." And I heard him saying: "Whoever performs Tawaf around this House seven times and he keeps track of it, then it is as if he freed a slave." And I heard him saying: "One foot is not put down, nor another raised except that Allah removes a sin from him and records a good merit for him."


Your prophet said that the black stone will testify for you on the day of judgement

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 961
Ibn Abbas narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said about the (Black) Stone: "By Allah! Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes by which it sees and a tongue that it speaks with, testifying to whoever touched it in truth."


Can you explain why did your prophet kissed the black stone if it is a useless ordinary stone?

Sahih al-Bukhari 1610
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
"I saw `Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said, (to it) 'Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you, (stone) I would not have kissed you.' "

Mr Qasim6, why do you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no single benefit?


You are an Idolater feigning monotheist

Leemzyy:
Na true or not mr man?

I know is truth, what you quoted is right so what of Mark(16:19): "The Lord Jesus was received up into heaven," and speaks in verse 20 of "the Lord working with them." Similarly we read in Luke 24:3: "They found not the body of the Lord." And in John 20:20: "The disciples therefore were glad when they saw the Lord;" 21:12: "And none of the disciples durst ask him, ... So you can see that Jesus is also called lord that you quoted in those verses you quoted

Lol mr TENQ see this;61:6:and remember jesus the son of mary said"o children of israel,i am the messenger of Allah sent to you,confirming the law before me and giving glad tidings,for a messenger to come after me,whose name shall be "AHMAD" but when he come to them with clear signs they said this is evident sorcery,lol so now stop avoiding this simple question,i said is jesus lying? yes or no?

TenQ:
Did Mohammed ever met Jesus? No!
Was there any evidence that he saw Jibril? No!

Is Allah not the name of the chief idol of the Quraysh tribe?

Mohammed transformed your God LAH to to the status of the God of Israel.



Don't forget that you escaped from answering my first question to you.



Can you tell me why you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no benefit?


Your prophet says that the black stone forgives the sins of you Muslims

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 959
Ibn Ubaid bin Umair narrated from his father:
"Ibn Umar was clinging on the two corners (in a manner that I had not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet doing) so I said: 'O Abu Abdur-Rahman! You are clinging on the two corners in a manner that I have not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet clining.' So he said: 'I do it because I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "Touching them atones for sins." And I heard him saying: "Whoever performs Tawaf around this House seven times and he keeps track of it, then it is as if he freed a slave." And I heard him saying: "One foot is not put down, nor another raised except that Allah removes a sin from him and records a good merit for him."


Your prophet said that the black stone will testify for you on the day of judgement

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 961
Ibn Abbas narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said about the (Black) Stone: "By Allah! Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes by which it sees and a tongue that it speaks with, testifying to whoever touched it in truth."


Can you explain why did your prophet kissed the black stone if it is a useless ordinary stone?

Sahih al-Bukhari 1610
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
"I saw `Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said, (to it) 'Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you, (stone) I would not have kissed you.' "

Mr Qasim6, why do you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no single benefit?


You are an Idolater feigning monotheist

are you a Muslim before

Leemzyy:
Lol mr TENQ see this;61:6:and remember jesus the son of mary said"o children of israel,i am the messenger of Allah sent to you,confirming the law before me and giving glad tidings,for a messenger to come after me,whose name shall be "AHMAD" but when he come to them with clear signs they said this is evident sorcery,lol so now stop avoiding this simple question,i said is jesus lying? yes or no?

oh God, how can you be using quoting that came out 500 years after Jesus to ask if Jesus was lying or not there is nothing like that in the Gospels of the new testament or in the early Gospels of 1st to 2nd century. Jesus didn't said a messenger is coming after him . in the gospels of the new testament the only person he said that is coming are he is the holy Spirit john 14;26 and the holy Spirit came in act chapter 2.the people that wrote the gospels were eye witnesses of Jesus. Mohammed wasn't an eye witness of Jesus Christ so I don't believe what your Quran said about Jesus Christ

Kingsempires:
are you a Muslim before

I almost became a Muslim while in school through Ahmed Deedats publications. Thanks be to God who guided me to first read the Qur'an before reciting the Shahada.

I didn't even reach half way before I knew that it would have been the biggest mistake of my life. I then devoted my time to understanding both Islam and the Gospel of Christ.

Leemzyy:
Lol mr TENQ see this;61:6:and remember jesus the son of mary said"o children of israel,i am the messenger of Allah sent to you,confirming the law before me and giving glad tidings,for a messenger to come after me,whose name shall be "AHMAD" but when he come to them with clear signs they said this is evident sorcery,lol so now stop avoiding this simple question,i said is jesus lying? yes or no?

Till tomorrow, no Muslim have been able to show us the Ahmad from the Bible.

Why do you relish self deceit and self deception?

You refused to quote my last post because it shows that you are Idolaters masquerading as people who know God.

Why did your prophet kiss the Blackstone?
Why do you Muslims kiss the black Stone?

Is it true that it is because it is the right hand of Allah?

TenQ:
Till tomorrow, no Muslim have been able to show us the Ahmad from the Bible.

Why do you relish self deceit and self deception?

You refused to quote my last post because it shows that you are Idolaters masquerading as people who know God.

Why did your prophet kiss the Blackstone?
Why do you Muslims kiss the black Stone?

Is it true that it is because it is the right hand of Allah?

Mr man is jesus lying or not?simple question with a simple answer but very hard for you to answer,yes or no?are u ashamed not to be trapped by the answer,once again is jesus lying yes or no mr man?

TenQ:
I almost became a Muslim while in school through Ahmed Deedats publications. Thanks be to God who guided me to first read the Qur'an before reciting the Shahada.

I didn't even reach half way before I knew that it would have been the biggest mistake of my life. I then devoted my time to understanding both Islam and the Gospel of Christ.

Glory be to God almighty

Leemzyy:
Mr man is jesus lying or not?simple question with a simple answer but very hard for you to answer,yes or no?are u ashamed not to be trapped by the answer,once again is jesus lying yes or no mr man?

What do you think?
Does Jesus tell lies like your prophet?
Yes or No!

Leemzyy:
Do u even read what i wrote abt the black stone,i said it neither have d power 2 harm nor benefit,so why that question again,and yes na paganism be that are you okay?

Can you tell me why you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no benefit?


Your prophet says that the black stone forgives the sins of you Muslims

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 959
Ibn Ubaid bin Umair narrated from his father:
"Ibn Umar was clinging on the two corners (in a manner that I had not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet doing) so I said: 'O Abu Abdur-Rahman! You are clinging on the two corners in a manner that I have not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet clining.' So he said: 'I do it because I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "Touching them atones for sins." And I heard him saying: "Whoever performs Tawaf around this House seven times and he keeps track of it, then it is as if he freed a slave." And I heard him saying: "One foot is not put down, nor another raised except that Allah removes a sin from him and records a good merit for him."


Your prophet said that the black stone will testify for you on the day of judgement

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 961
Ibn Abbas narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said about the (Black) Stone: "By Allah! Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes by which it sees and a tongue that it speaks with, testifying to whoever touched it in truth."


Can you explain why did your prophet kissed the black stone if it is a useless ordinary stone?

Sahih al-Bukhari 1610
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
"I saw `Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said, (to it) 'Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you, (stone) I would not have kissed you.' "

Mr Qasim6, why do you Muslims kiss the black stone if it has no single benefit?


You are an Idolater feigning monotheist

Qasim6:
Just like it is only in your head that it was not the Islamic empire that defeat the 4th empire from Babylon.

Just a coincidence huh?

Don't run over your head my friend. U seeing things not there in Daniel 7.
There's no Roman empire in Daniel 7
The 4 beasts described are Babylon, medes, Persia and Greece.
The 10 horns on the 4th beasts are the Seleucid kings, the 4th little horn is Anthiochus Epiphanes.
He was the one described as setting up abomination of the holy place leading to desolation of high places.
Anthiochus called himself God manifest.
'Persecution of the holy one' talked about was the persecution of the Jews by Anthiochus. He stopped the Jewish law and customs during his reign, He set up worship of Zeus in the Jewish temple, slaughtered pig on the holy alter and forced the priests to eat it.
His actions led to the successful Maccabean revolt and restoration of Jewish religion.

That's what Daniel 7 was describing and not any Roman empire.

Besides the Germanic were the ones that sacked Rome and not islamic empire. Islamic caliphate only fought the Byzantine empire in the east. The Roman empire had already ceased to exist in the west.

Qasim6:
Are you saying the Jews knew the correct pronunciation of the word YHVH during the time of Jesus?

YHWH is written in the Hebrew scripture which is read loud to the people in the synagogue on Sabbath day.

It's impossible for Jesus not to have mentioned the name YHWH. His name literally means 'YHWH saves'.

Moreso he told the Jews in the book of John
' Before Abraham was, I AM' referring to the name God gave Moses in the burning bush.

Qasim6:
Stop wasting your time on what ancient Rabbinical Jews believed about a prophecy.

Just like I asked you earlier, do you believe there is supposed to be 2 Messiahs like they believed?

Or do you believe the Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18 is different from the Messiah?

If you don't 100% agree with them, then why use them as reference?

This guy is funny. All of a sudden ancient rabbinical Jews cannot be trusted.
Are U not the one that earlier claimed no Jew believed in divine Messiah. U were fighting tooth and nail earlier that Jews don't believe in a redeeming Messiah.
After slapping u with hardcore irrefutable evidence contrary to your claim... U don change mouth into ancient rabbinical Jews cannot be trusted.
Ok o...no wahala. But don't ever use rabbinical Jews as evidence against Christian belief again otherwise I will remind U of your double speak- elenu meji.

Yes, ancient rabbinical Jews believed in multiple Messiahs. That's why I said U should research 'THE MESSIAH'
In fact they believe in Messiah for Son of man, another one coming as Son of God, another one for priest of God, another one as interpreter of the Law. They believed in a Messiah coming as servant of God, branch of David, righteous one.
They even believe in the redemption Messiah- mashiach Ben Joseph, a Messiah who is coming to die for the sins of the world- Isaiah 53.
Then 'the ultimate Messiah' who will establish the everlasting kingdom of God here on earth
What they don't know was that only ONE MAN will fulfill it all.
Jesus fulfilled all the Messianic attributes and description revealed in the scriptures. He fulfilled everyone of them, not a single one left out including your deut 18.18, a prophet like Moses.

John 5.46
If you believe in Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

Peter confirmed the prophet after Moses is Jesus.
Acts 3
19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22[b] For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23 Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people[/b].’

John 1.29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, " Behold the Lamb of God , who takes away the son of the world!

Acts 7- Stephen also affirmed that the prophet after Moses is Jesus.

37 “This is the Moses who told the Israelites, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your own people.’ 38 He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us.

SIRTee15:
This guy is funny. All of a sudden ancient rabbinical Jews cannot be trusted.
Are U not the one that earlier claimed no Jew believed in divine Messiah. U were fighting tooth and nail earlier that Jews don't believe in a redeeming Messiah.
After slapping u with hardcore irrefutable evidence contrary to your claim... U don change mouth into ancient rabbinical Jews cannot be trusted.
Ok o...no wahala. But don't ever use rabbinical Jews as evidence against Christian belief again otherwise I will remind U of your double speak- elenu meji.

Yes, ancient rabbinical Jews believed in multiple Messiahs. That's why I said U should research 'THE MESSIAH'
In fact they believe in Messiah for Son of man, another one coming as Son of God, another one for priest of God, another one as interpreter of the Law. They believed in a Messiah coming as servant of God, branch of David, righteous one.
They even believe in the redemption Messiah- mashiach Ben Joseph, a Messiah who is coming to die for the sins of the world- Isaiah 53.
Then 'the ultimate Messiah' who will establish the everlasting kingdom of God here on earth
What they don't know was that only ONE MAN will fulfill it all.
Jesus fulfilled all the Messianic attributes and description revealed in the scriptures. He fulfilled everyone of them, not a single one left out including your deut 18.18, a prophet like Moses.

John 5.46
If you believe in Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

Peter confirmed the prophet after Moses is Jesus.
Acts 3
19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22[b] For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23 Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people[/b].’

John 1.29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, " Behold the Lamb of God , who takes away the son of the world!

Acts 7- Stephen also affirmed that the prophet after Moses is Jesus.

37 “This is the Moses who told the Israelites, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your own people.’ 38 He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us.

U should keep swimming in your delusion.

NONE of the evidence you brought indicates the Jews prior to the coming of Christ believed the Messiah is going to be divine

The fact that they used the term son of God does not indicate they believed in the Divinity of the Messiah. To the Jews son of God simply means a righteous servant of God. You can not read your blasphemous doctrine into their writings.

Nor the fact that Son of man was seen brought near the father indicate divinity.

The hardcore irrefutable evidence is just in your head, but anything that makes you sleep at night.

I am not ready to go into Deuteronomy 18 18 with you now.
It's a new week, have a great week.

Qasim6:
U should keep swimming in your delusion.

NONE of the evidence you brought indicates the Jews prior to the coming of Christ believed the Messiah is going to be divine

The fact that they used the term son of God does not indicate they believed in the Divinity of the Messiah. To the Jews son of God simply means a righteous servant of God. You can not read your blasphemous doctrine into their writings.

Nor the fact that Son of man was seen brought near the father indicate divinity.

The hardcore irrefutable evidence is just in your head, but anything that makes you sleep at night.

I am not ready to go into Deuteronomy 18 18 with you now.
It's a new week, have a great week.

Claim, claim, claim. Why don't U bring just one evidence to back your claim. Just one.
Is it so difficult to do research

Let's go back to Daniel 7.13

Sanhedrin 98a

"Rabbi Alexandri says: Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi raises a contradiction between two depictions of the coming of the Messiah. It is written: “There came with the clouds of heaven, one like unto a son of man…and there was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom…his dominion is an everlasting dominion” (Daniel 7:13–14). And it is written: “Behold, your king will come to you; he is just and victorious; lowly and riding upon a donkey and upon a colt, the foal of a donkey” (Zechariah 9:9). Rabbi Alexandri explains: If the Jewish people merit redemption, the Messiah will come in a miraculous manner with the clouds of heaven. If they do not merit redemption, the Messiah will come lowly and riding upon a donkey."

Both Rabbi Alexandri and Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi interpreted (Daniel 7:13–14) as a reference to a possible miraculous coming of the messiah to the Jewish people..

First know that Rabbi yeshua Ben Levi was considered a legend in his own right, compared to Elijah in his days and his interpretation are considered valid.

No ordinary man can come with the clouds of heaven. It's impossible. It has to be someone divine.

Jesus himself referenced Daniel 7.13 during his trial against the Sanhedrin.

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

The response from the Sanhedrin was expected. Making such claim would be considered blasphemy and their response was appropriate.

63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

So it's up to U. Either accept the evidence or stick to your delusion.

Anyway I dont have any problem leaving out rabbinical Jews exegesis in our debates so long as U don't bring them up.

SIRTee15:
Claim, claim, claim. Why don't U bring just one evidence to back your claim. Just one.
Is it so difficult to do research

Let's go back to Daniel 7.13

Sanhedrin 98a

"Rabbi Alexandri says: Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi raises a contradiction between two depictions of the coming of the Messiah. It is written: “There came with the clouds of heaven, one like unto a son of man…and there was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom…his dominion is an everlasting dominion” (Daniel 7:13–14). And it is written: “Behold, your king will come to you; he is just and victorious; lowly and riding upon a donkey and upon a colt, the foal of a donkey” (Zechariah 9:9). Rabbi Alexandri explains: If the Jewish people merit redemption, the Messiah will come in a miraculous manner with the clouds of heaven. If they do not merit redemption, the Messiah will come lowly and riding upon a donkey."

Both Rabbi Alexandri and Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi interpreted (Daniel 7:13–14) as a reference to a possible miraculous coming of the messiah to the Jewish people..

First know that Rabbi yeshua Ben Levi was considered a legend in his own right, compared to Elijah in his days and his interpretation are considered valid.

No ordinary man can come with the clouds of heaven. It's impossible. It has to be someone divine.

Jesus himself referenced Daniel 7.13 during his trial against the Sanhedrin.

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

The response from the Sanhedrin was expected. Making such claim would be considered blasphemy and their response was appropriate.

63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

So it's up to U. Either accept the evidence or stick to your delusion.

Anyway I dont have any problem leaving out rabbinical Jews exegesis in our debates so long as U don't bring them up.

Keep ranting

You have brought nothing again as evidence.

Maybe you mistook reading your Christian opinion into their writings as evidence.

Someone coming miraculously does not indicate divinity.

Qasim6:
Keep ranting

You have brought nothing again as evidence.

Maybe you mistook reading your Christian opinion into their writings as evidence.

Someone coming miraculously does not indicate divinity.

Do ancient Judaism believe the Messiah has divine attributes.
Let's check what the Jews during the time of Jesus believe.

Summary
Pharisees during the time of Jesus believed
The Messiah is pre existence.
The Messiah has the power of resurrection.
The Messiah will rule both Israelites and Gentiles
The Messiah will reign and execute judgement on sinners.

SIRTee15:
Do ancient Judaism believe the Messiah has divine attributes.
Let's check what the Jews during the time of Jesus believe.

Summary
Pharisees during the time of Jesus believed
The Messiah is pre existence.
The Messiah has the power of resurrection.
The Messiah will rule both Israelites and Gentiles
The Messiah will reign and execute judgement on sinners.

Let's assume they truly believed the Messiah was pre-existing, they also believed the patriarchs were pre-existing. Did they believe the patriarchs were divine?
Or do you believe the patriarchs were pre-existing?
This is the reason why I keep saying you can't rely solely on what they believed prior to the coming of Christ, the Messiah already came. We have seen the prophecy he fulfilled 💯.

He did not fulfill Isaiah 53 by not having offspring (suffering servant of Isaiah 53 is Prophet Jeremiah) nor the prophecy of son of man of the book of Daniel. His kingdom did not defeat the 4th empire from Babylon (Romans). Prophet Muhammad is the son of man of the book of Daniel, Islamic empire displaced the Romans.

I don't know how you guys treat prophecies. Prophecy is not something you just do wuru-wuru to the answer or else everyone will be able to fulfill every prophecy.

We will just be hearing Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies from Christians, under small scrutiny everything will be falling apart like a house of cards.

And the fact that Christianity have redefine words like holy spirit, Messiah, Son of man, Son of God, Father (when referring to God) to suit their idolatry and blasphemous doctrines does not mean every other Abrahamic faith should swallow their definitions. That is another thing you need to let sink in.

Qasim6:
Keep ranting

You have brought nothing again as evidence.

Maybe you mistook reading your Christian opinion into their writings as evidence.

Someone coming miraculously does not indicate divinity.

men!!, which evidence do you want him to show you again


If you are still doubting, you can still bring your own evidence

Kingsempires:
men!!, which evidence do you want him to show you again


If you are still doubting, you can still bring your own evidence

Read the evidence he brought again

And this time, read it slowly.

And I want you to point out to me where the Jews before Christ believed he is going to be divine/God.

What he is doing is point out where they believed he is going to be "Son of God" then use Christainity understanding of the term "son of God" to claim divinity. Whereas for the Jews son of God mean a righteous servant of God.

Qasim6:
Read the evidence he brought again

And this time, read it slowly.

And I want you to point out to me where the Jews before Christ believed he is going to be divine/God.

go throw the page 319 that he posted

Kingsempires:
go throw the page 319 that he posted

Ok.

Do you know who the patriarchs on the same page 319 are?

Qasim6:
Ok.

Do you know who the patriarchs on the same page 319 are?

ok explain