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Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by MasterJayJay(op): 6:42pm On Aug 16, 2024
AN OPEN CORRECTION TO Reno Omokri $10,000 challenge: Understanding the Greek Terms Θεόν and Θεὸς in John 1:1

Dear Mr. Reno, My attention was drawn to your post last night, where you attempted to correct one Oluoha on the Trinity and even pledged $10,000, as you often do, but ended up in a theological fallacy. You made many claims in that post, which I hope to correct later. However, one of your claims caught my attention and it refers to your fallacious eisegesis (the interpretation of a biblical text by reading into it one's own ideas) of John 1:1, claiming that “the words translated God are 'Θεόν and Θεὸς.' They are two different words. One of them, Θεόν, refers to He who sits on the Throne. The other, Θεὸς refers to God, but not He who sits on the Throne. It is the word you use for sons of God who sits on the Throne.”

Sadly, you have used this argument for a long time and it seemed that no one had called you to order or corrected you. Today, I stand to debunk your false claims and correct you. Also, dear friends, if you are reading this post, I crave your indulgence to patiently read till the end. I have numbered the points to make the reading easier:

Now, returning to John 1:1, the original Greek text reads: Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος. (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God)

Let me break it down:
1. "πρὸς τὸν Θεόν" is translated as "with God": Here, every Greek scholar knows that the term “Θεόν” (God) is the accusative case of “Θεός,” (God) used because the preposition πρὸς (meaning "toward" or "with"wink requires an accusative form. This is called concordance. This phrase translates to "with God" and refers to the Father. In Biblical Greek studies, it can be understood that the accusative case simply shows the object of the preposition, and it doesn't imply a difference in nature or substance from the nominative case “Θεὸς” (God).

2. "καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος" (and God was the Word / or the Word was God): In this phrase, Θεὸς is in the nominative case because it is the subject of the clause. The nominative case is used to describe the nature or essence of the subject—in this case, ὁ Λόγος (the Word). This structure shows that the Word (Logos) shares the same divine nature as Θεός (God).

3. Unfortunately, you lack true knowledge of Biblical Greek, yet you claim that you read the Bible in original languages, particularly Greek, but embarrassed yourself when you attempted to defend yourself by saying that “the words translated God are 'Θεόν and Θεὸς.' They are two different words. One of them, Θεόν, refers to He who sits on the Throne. The other, Θεὸς refers to God, but not He who sits on the Throne.” If you (Mr. Reno) had known better you wouldn’t have used that porous argument.

4. Now, I'll demonstrate biblically that even the word “Θεὸς” which you claimed is not for the Father who sits on the Throne is frequently used for the same God the Father who sits on the throne. The difference between Θεὸς and Θεόν is not in their meaning but in their grammatical cases. Θεὸς is nominative, while Θεόν is accusative. Both refer to the same God, and the use of different cases is dictated by the structure of the sentences in Greek, not by a difference in identity or substance. Needless to say, Reno’s false argument that Θεὸς refers to a different being or a lesser divine entity is contradicted by other passages in the New Testament where Θεὸς clearly refers to the Father.

5. For example: in John 3:16, we read: "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." The original Greek version reads: "Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ᾽ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον."

6. In 1 Corinthians 8:6, we read: "Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live…” The original Greek version also reads: "ἀλλ᾽ ἡμῖν εἷς Θεὸς ὁ Πατὴρ, ἐξ οὗ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖς εἰς αὐτόν"

7. 1 Peter 1:3, we read: "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!" The original Greek version also reads: "Εὐλογητὸς ὁ Θεὸς καὶ πατὴρ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ"

8. Now, this same word Θεὸς which we have seen referring to God the Father was equally used by Saint Thomas the Apostle to address Christ in John 20:28: “When Thomas sees the risen Christ, he exclaims, "My Lord and my God (Θεός)!" Here, Θεός is used in the nominative case to refer to Jesus, affirming His divinity in the same way Θεός is used in the nominative case for the Father.

9. And to further affirm this reality, God the Father in Hebrews 1:8 used the same word Θεός (God) to directly refer to His Son (our Lord Jesus Christ) affirming His divinity. That is, the Father also called Jesus God. Here’s the verse in English and original Greek version:
A. English: "But about the Son He says, 'Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.'"
B. Greek: "πρὸς δὲ τὸν υἱόν• Ὁ θρόνος σου, ὁ Θεός, εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος, καὶ ἡ ῥάβδος τῆς εὐθύτητος ῥάβδος τῆς βασιλείας σου."

10. While Mr. Reno claims to know Greek and read Scripture in original Greek, what he does not know is that Greek, like many inflected languages, uses different cases to indicate the function of a noun, pronoun, or adjective in a sentence. There are five primary cases in Ancient Greek: Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, and Vocative.

A. NOMINATIVE: Subject or predicate nominative. Here God is written as Θεός (Theos) — used for the subject of a sentence. Example: Ὁ Θεός ἐστιν ἀγάπη. ("God is love."wink. This same spelling of God changes in other cases. A clear example is seen in John 1:1 and other verses I cited above in the original Greek version

B. GENITIVE: Possession, origin, relationship ("of" or "from"wink. Here, God is written as Θεοῦ (Theou) — used to show possession, origin, or relationship. Example: ἡ χάρις τοῦ Θεοῦ. ("The grace of God." A clear example is seen in Romans 1:16 in the original Greek version.

C. DATIVE: Indirect object, means, manner, location ("to," "for," or "by"wink. Here, God is written as Θεῷ (Theōi) — used for the indirect object or to show means, manner, or location. Example: προσεύχομαι τῷ Θεῷ. ("I pray to God."wink A clear example is seen in Acts 20:32 in the original Greek version.

D. ACCUSATIVE: Direct object, extent of space or time ("whom" or "what"wink. Here, God is written as Θεόν (Theon) — used for the direct object of a sentence. Example: Ὁρῶ τὸν Θεόν. ("I see God."wink, which is similar to John 1:1 “…with God”, which Reno erroneously interpreted to mean a different and bigger God. Another clear example is seen in Matthew 22:37 in the original Greek version.

E. VOCATIVE: Direct address (calling out to someone). Here, God is written as Θεέ (Thee) — used when directly addressing God. Example: Ὦ Θεέ, εἰσάκουσόν μου. ("O God, hear me."wink A clear example is seen in Matthew 27:46 in the original Greek version.

11. Notice that each case changes the ending of the noun, pronoun, or adjective, which helps determine the word’s function in the sentence, making Ancient Greek a highly inflected language.

12. In another Scriptural verse, Jesus is addressed as God (Θεοῦ - Genitive case) as seen in Acts 20:28: "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Greek: προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ ἰδίου αἵματος).
In this verse, "God" (Θεοῦ in genitive) is contextually understood to refer to Jesus since it speaks of the church purchased with His blood, directly attributing the divine title to Christ.

13. Having established this, I dare to say that the argument of Reno is based on a gross misinterpretation and ignorance of the original Greek, which intentionally seeks to undermine the doctrine of the Trinity as presented in Scripture. I hereby challenge Mr. Reno to counter this scriptural exegesis of mine openly or even get ready for a debate, where I would not hesitate to lecture him on biblical Greek.

14. Since he has vowed on his honour, I look forward to seeing his response.

Dear @followers I rest my case for now!

Shalom!
Fr. Chinaka Justin Mbaeri, OSJ
#SoulOfAMissionary
https://www.facebook.com/61561097804733/posts/pfbid0p3G25hA7jRJsSpnZQRm2EPBmT8GTAXLYpAN38wSad7eTZeZ88FYsEWZb34ttW8qgl/?app=fbl

Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by MasterJayJay(op): 6:42pm On Aug 16, 2024
Reno Omokri has made many false claims and offered 10,000 dollars if found he's wrong. And he has never redeemed any prize after his claims were debunked.

Twitter user also debunked his claims on poverty level doubling during Peter Obi's tenure. And Reno Omokri went silent.

He also made false claims about Lagos making it to top 20 of liveable cities in the world, which was debunked by same Twitter user.


https://x.com/Dvirginman/

Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Salewa97: 7:21pm On Aug 16, 2024
The priest should first accept the challenge before we start discussing the topic.

He should stop being reluctant and accept the challenge. It's a simple thing to do.

If he believes he has the superior knowledge, then he should stop running away from the debate.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by MasterJayJay(op):
Salewa97:
The priest should first accept the challenge before we start discussing the topic.

He should stop being reluctant and accept the challenge. It's a simple thing to do.

If he believes he has the superior knowledge, then he should stop running away from the debate.
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Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by ewedunamala:
Why joining issue with Reno Omonkey. Someone maggots are eating up his sense of reasoning because of bribe he is taking
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by nedu666: 7:42pm On Aug 16, 2024
Salewa97:
The priest should first accept the challenge before we start discussing the topic.

He should stop being reluctant and accept the challenge. It's a simple thing to do.

If he believes he has the superior knowledge, then he should stop running away from the debate.
What are you saying?
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by OkCornel(m): 7:50pm On Aug 16, 2024
Salewa97:
The priest should first accept the challenge before we start discussing the topic.

He should stop being reluctant and accept the challenge. It's a simple thing to do.

If he believes he has the superior knowledge, then he should stop running away from the debate.
Hi Reno, good to have you back
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by SoNature(m): 7:55pm On Aug 16, 2024
Only foolish people follow and argue with Reno Omokri.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by festacman(m):
Though the Priest, being deeply and thoroughly trained in theology and philosophy, authoritatively displayed superior understanding but it is all mere academic exercise. The bottom line of knowing and serving God is LOVE.

"And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:30–31
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by mairogo: 8:08pm On Aug 16, 2024
Reno's arrogance makes him think he knows all and knows better than all. The longer his posts and claims go without challenge, the more he thinks he knows. Challenge him with facts, counter his false claims with superior arguments and he blocks you.

If not that many of us don't want to give him the relevance he so craves, we would have taken him on all the lies he posts as facts.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by MasterJayJay(op): 8:16pm On Aug 16, 2024
SoNature:
Only foolish people follow and argue with Reno Omokri.
You guys should stop using insulting words carelessly. Did you even read the post?

It is not about arguing with Reno. He speads false info that many are believing.
So don't insult people who debunk such info. It reduces the number of people that might have been misled by Reno.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by NewDea4: 8:16pm On Aug 16, 2024
MasterJayJay:
https://www.facebook.com/61561097804733/posts/pfbid0p3G25hA7jRJsSpnZQRm2EPBmT8GTAXLYpAN38wSad7eTZeZ88FYsEWZb34ttW8qgl/?app=fbl
Reno Omokri is a compulsive liar, a person with zero scruples and absolutely no moral compass, a serial adulterer and fornicator. His brother is a child molester and registered sex-offender.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Seefinish: 8:18pm On Aug 16, 2024
SoNature:
Only foolish people follow and argue with Reno Omokri.
but it is good to put that man with goaty beard where he belong.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by magoo10(m): 8:30pm On Aug 16, 2024
Whoever takes a political rouge like Reno claiming to be religious serious.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Mrshape: 9:16pm On Aug 16, 2024
Will Reno even understand what the priest wrote?
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by CJStarz: 9:33pm On Aug 16, 2024
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by kenny714433(m): 10:42pm On Aug 16, 2024
Languages have cases.
In junior seminary, I learnt Latin and French.

For Latin, translating Dominus in all it's cases will give us;

Nominative case - Dominus
Vocative case - Domine
Accusative Case - Dominum
Genitive case - Domini
Dative Case - Domino
Ablative Case - Domino

Now, those are are the first person singular for the word "Lord". Depending on the verb, the cases change. Same thing as French, Greek and Hebrew language.

Reno be majoring in his ignorance. I like how Catholic priests are intelligent.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Matheusmartin: 10:53pm On Aug 16, 2024
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Na catholics really Sabi Bible.

All these oversabi pentecostal churches nor Sabi anything wey pass kjv grin
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Stephench: 11:00pm On Aug 16, 2024
Salewa97:
The priest should first accept the challenge before we start discussing the topic.

He should stop being reluctant and accept the challenge. It's a simple thing to do.

If he believes he has the superior knowledge, then he should stop running away from the debate.
Well, I studied Greek although I've not been speaking it for a while since I left there. The Priest is well educated in Greek language. Reno doesn't know any Greek. Only love throwing uo buzz words to sound sophisticated.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Shinjawestern: 12:24am On Aug 17, 2024
Reno the follower of Mohammad

A very useless man ..
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by RuggedBiafran: 12:30am On Aug 17, 2024
Reno O'fuckery is more educated than Wole Soyinka.

Just to show you how dumb and dumber roll in the sophisticated region. cool
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by RomanGreen: 1:16am On Aug 17, 2024
Salewa97:
The priest should first accept the challenge before we start discussing the topic.

He should stop being reluctant and accept the challenge. It's a simple thing to do.

If he believes he has the superior knowledge, then he should stop running away from the debate.
Did you read what the priest wrote coz if you did, you won't type this
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Mindlog: 3:05am On Aug 17, 2024
Salewa97:
The priest should first accept the challenge before we start discussing the topic.

He should stop being reluctant and accept the challenge. It's a simple thing to do.

If he believes he has the superior knowledge, then he should stop running away from the debate.
He posted to disprove Reno's fallacies, abi you think say becoming a Catholic Priest, is your regular 3 months bible school you and your lots are used to?
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Validated: 3:39am On Aug 17, 2024
Abeg, where the dilapidated Reno self?
His balablu supporters should tell him that he has been demolished again, needing renovation.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Bobloco: 5:56am On Aug 17, 2024
Reno Omokri is a rabble rouser
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Racoon(m): 6:03am On Aug 17, 2024
Reno Omokri is a filthy-lucre seeking and hypocritical political charlatan robing himself in a cassock. He has no iota of calling into ministry.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Mbanda(m): 6:33am On Aug 17, 2024
MasterJayJay:
https://www.facebook.com/61561097804733/posts/pfbid0p3G25hA7jRJsSpnZQRm2EPBmT8GTAXLYpAN38wSad7eTZeZ88FYsEWZb34ttW8qgl/?app=fbl
See idiotic reno wey dey teach the gullibles Igbo history grin grin grin
The idiot has been debunked many times.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by clockwisereport: 7:17am On Aug 17, 2024
kenny714433:
Languages have cases.
In junior seminary, I learnt Latin and French.

For Latin, translating Dominus in all it's cases will give us;

Nominative case - Dominus
Vocative case - Domine
Accusative Case - Dominum
Genitive case - Domini
Dative Case - Domino
Ablative Case - Domino

Now, those are are the first person singular for the word "Lord". Depending on the verb, the cases change. Same thing as French, Greek and Hebrew language.

Reno be majoring in his ignorance. I like how Catholic priests are intelligent.
you can't be a catholic priest by waking up one morning with empty stomach and start claiming to be called by God. you must read and pass all your exams and also undergo so many rigorous tests to become a catholic priest
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Chinjo2: 7:55am On Aug 17, 2024
Rev Fr Chinaka has taken Reno Omokri to the cleaners.
Sacred theology na your mate?

You see those monks, fear them when it comes to books o
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Gentlesniper(m): 8:02am On Aug 17, 2024
Mindlog:
He posted to disprove Reno's fallacies, abi you think say becoming a Catholic Priest, is your regular 3 months bible school you and your lots are used to?
Some of you sounds so pathetic that you can't make a simple comment without adding the ethnic or religious colouration to it.
You just spoke like a 5 year old child comparing their neighbour's car to his dad's car. Everything in life shouldn't be about comparison most especially along the religious and tribal lines.
Re: Reno Omokri gets debunked again by a priest in fact-check challenge by Mindlog: 8:23am On Aug 17, 2024
Gentlesniper:
Some of you sounds so pathetic that you can't make a simple comment without adding the ethnic or religious colouration to it.
You just spoke like a 5 year old child comparing their neighbour's car to his dad's car. Everything in life shouldn't be about comparison most especially along the religious and tribal lines.
And you don't sound more pathetic?😅😅
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