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DaddyCoool:
I disagree. Genius talent like Kirk's can only come from God. You can't get it by hard work or being angry

Ok

To err is human, but to forgive divine ❤️

saintnegroid:
okay same as you

yea your bible is crap

DaddyCoool:
You didn't answer the question. Do you sin everyday? Yes or no

unintentionally Yes, but intentionally No.

babajero:
unintentionally Yes, but intentionally No.

Then u r not a Nigerian. Infact you are not human.
Point is, your very nature is sinful so is Kirk's. It's a matter of degrees but he's just being himself just like you. It's like a a pot calling a kettle black because the pot is a lighter shade of black!

judedwriter:
To err is human, but to forgive divine ❤️

What is forgiveness
That a rape victim who has forgiven the rapist should continue to hang out with the rapist? When the rapist is her father?

Many people throw that word around

That she allows her father to babysit her daughter?

Forgiveness does not mean a relationship, any relationship, should continue if it is harmful to a person
You can forgive and keep your distance

You do not have to engage with people if it is harmful to your mental health

DaddyCoool:
Then u r not a Nigerian. Infact you are not human.
Point is, your very nature is sinful so is Kirk's. It's a matter of degrees but he's just being himself just like you. It's like a a pot calling a kettle black because the pot is a lighter shade of black!

it a big lie, a serial murderer or a homosexual can't be said to just been living his life as a Christian. I am sorry if you are a homosexual but I just have to tell you the truth.

babajero:
it a big lie, a serial murderer or a homosexual can't be said to just been living his life as a Christian. I am sorry if you are a homosexual but I just have to tell you the truth.

I'm not a homosexual at all, I'm just a thinking Christian unlike some who don't think. That's why you're saved by grace only and that's why your good works are like filthy rags to God. I didn't make myself to be sexually attracted to feminine energy - that's just the way I am. If you now tell me that society mandates that I be attracted to men, it is not possible because that's not the way I am.
Also remember, people are programed by gentics, birth circumstances, experiences, to be the way they are. If you were born in Saudi you'd a moslem

Am happy you come out to say this man. For you to have gotten the courage to say this, it means you are healing up....and ready or already forgiven your Mom.

God is faithful...let it go!!!
We have done so many terrible things to God, yet he never leave us or forsake us.

......

DaddyCoool:
Where did he say he hasn't forgiven his mother?
Below is what he said:

"And I promised myself that as a little boy I couldn’t protect myself but as a grown man I would never be put in a position where you would treat me like that again.”

...and the action that followed was to stop talking to his mum. From then till date.

PrimadonnaO:
...and the action that followed was to stop talking to his mum. From then till date.

...while totally forgiving her with all his heart.

Gajagojo:
You are mixing two things
Showing poor logic

Let us assume your claim about piano lessons is true

Is your logic that

If a person has reason to be grateful to another person that person now owns them and has a right to hurt them?

So I give a person a scholarship and lated on I rape his daughter he must remain grateful and not complain?
Or a father who raped his daughter? Forgiveness can happen but does not mean engagement
Your logic is superficial

You re the one sounding illogical here, why are you carrying his matter on your head like gala? Do you think he gives a shit about you.?

Please go and take your medication, your spurious arguments in his defense won't give you recognition.

nwirinedu:
You re the one sounding illogical here, why are you carrying his matter on your head like gala? Do you think he gives a shit about you.?

Please go and take your medication, your spurious arguments in his defense won't give you recognition.

Your mother needs to take her medication

Interesting insights here

DaddyCoool:
...while totally forgiving her with all his heart.

Doesn't work that way.

Not in this instance.

How does someone stop talking completely to their mother?

She made mistakes... but not so much so to deserve cutting her off in that manner.

PrimadonnaO:
Doesn't work that way.

Not in this instance.

How does someone stop talking completely to their mother?

She made mistakes... but not so much so to deserve cutting her off in that manner.

What does forgiving have to do with talking.
He didn't say he punitively stopped taking her calls.
He simply said he stopped to avoid the deep hurt he's felt since childhood

PrimadonnaO:
I'm personally shocked reading this of him

...and also that he has come out to publicly state this.

But then again, everyone of us is at different levels of pruning.

This is probably an area of his life the Holy Spirit has been labouring over...to bring him to perfection.

Please pray for him instead of condemnation.

I sincerely believe in my heart, that the next we'll hear about this is that he has moved past this hurt, and forgiven his mother.

If he's truly a child of God, as I want to believe, he'll have a redefining encounter.

I wasn't really condemning him but I was stating a fact, and that fact wasn't necessarily for him alone, and one may ask, what are we supposed to ask God to do for someone like that?, and there are many like that, majority of us even.
The truth simply remains that he is not a Christian, and he doesn't need anyone's prayer to be a Christian, no one does, only God can do his thing the way and when He wants, if He wants.

GSyntax:
Kirk admitting this does not make him less of Christian; it makes him human. Many of us here are quick to judge him because we do not know the background of the story!

Kirk Franklin's mother abandoned him as an infant! He was adopted and raised by his aunt. Kirk never met his father until Kirk turned 53 years old. How difficult could one's childhood be?? We should cut him some slacks.

Now, this story was a singular opportunity for his mum to make amends, yet, she walked out as usual. Before we cancel Kirk, I'd suggest all put ourselves in his shoes for a day!

Now I said he is not a Christian and anyone who is who a Christian will agree with me, and I will ask you bros, what will be your definition of a Christian?
No one here is saying that his mother did well, we are not saying that he is wrong or sinned by being pained, it is the action, the result of that pain that decides. JESUS commanded his followers that they must forgive every single offence commuted against us, no matter how many times or how bad, if you cannot follow the commandments of Jesus Christ, you are not a Christian. Now if this person dies in this condition without forgiving her mother or others that offended him, where will he end up? Tell me the truth, will any Christian go to hell? That settles it, BTW, the commandments of Jesus is not for everyone, it's only for those that can keep them and those are the Christians

membranus:
Judge not, for the same measure you used in judging others will be used in judging you too. Can you truly say that if you stand in front of your maker now, you will not be found wanting.

You are not in Kirk Franklin position, and have not experienced what he had gone through in life through parental abandonment. When you go through that and find it in your heart to forgive, then you can maybe raise a negative comment about the man.

Many of you raising negative view of the man's disposition against his mother are the chief tribalists on this hate-filled platform. Just because their candidate lost an election, many are daily spewing acidic and abusive comments against the opponent and his supporters. Yet they are all preaching forgiveness here, claiming fake Christianity.

Now you are showing your own hateful nature by calling in people who are not mentioned in this thread.
What I said and I stand by it is that anyone who can not forgive whatever offence committed against him is not a Christian, I don't suppose you are one so how about you keep to what you know, what you should have done is ask me why I said he is not a Christian and I would have simply explained as I did here.
I didn't pass any judgement on that person. I stated a fact, I did not condemn him either, he is still alive, what I said is not necessarily for him alone, it applies to everyone, especially people like you who think that there is nothing wrong in bearing grudges, and living in pain like that person, if you are a Christian yourself, you will know that if that person dies in that condition without forgiving his mother or others that offended him, he will not be SAVED.
I am not saying that you must do it, because if you cannot forgive, you are not a follower of Jesus Christ. So keep being what you are but if you want to be a Christian, you will obey the commandments of Jesus Christ, and serve him the way He wants and not the way you want.
I stand by my comment.

mbaise1000:
Now you are showing your own hateful nature by calling in people who are not mentioned in this thread.
What I said and I stand by it is that anyone who can not forgive whatever offence committed against him is not a Christian, I don't suppose you are one so how about you keep to what you know, what you should have done is ask me why I said he is not a Christian and I would have simply explained as I did here.
I didn't pass any judgement on that person. I stated a fact, I did not condemn him either, he is still alive, what I said is not necessarily for him alone, it applies to everyone, especially people like you who think that there is nothing wrong in bearing grudges, and living in pain like that person, if you are a Christian yourself, you will know that if that person dies in that condition without forgiving his mother or others that offended him, he will not be SAVED.
I am not saying that you must do it, because if you cannot forgive, you are not a follower of Jesus Christ. So keep being what you are but if you want to be a Christian, you will obey the commandments of Jesus Christ, and serve him the way He wants and not the way you want.
I stand by my comment.

Mr. Judge, and Mr. Holier-Than-Thou, are you truly SAVED in Christ as you are claiming here. Search yourself and judge yourself first.

membranus:
Mr. Judge, and Mr. Holier-Than-Thou, are you truly SAVED in Christ as you are claiming here. Search yourself and judge yourself first.

How about you explain or answer the simple thing or disprove what I said that if that person or anyone for that matter should die in unforgiveness, that they will be SAVED, which is the point I am trying to make, I also said to that what I said is not necessarily about that person alone, and BTW, I am saved, 200% sure of that, but that is not the topic here, face the thread and don't make it about me or about yourself but about everyone

kirk doesn't even talk to his oldest son and now I'm hearing he doesn't talk to his mama too? When I see something reoccurring It's a sign there's a problem not only with the other people but also with u. ur response to the other people who maybe wrong intentionally or unintentionally has led u to bad conclusion. Malice is unchristian.