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LordReed:
Normal arm length differences are not noticeable at a glance and the difference is usual less than 2cm.

Let me ask you, does working in a particular profession make one arm more significantly longer than the other? Answer is yes. This was evident even in Archers, not the ambidextrous ones. Let say the person is a carpenter, what happens?
Another thing that is surprising to me about the way you people talk is that if I were to draw a human, without even noticing, I would draw both arms to be of the same length, so why make them different like if I were an 8 year old? If not that I encountered a lady whose breasts where disproportionate once (noticed it when she doesn't wear bras in her clothing), I would have thought the human body parts were all equal and that made me to do some small research. And it's only in drawing that I noticed all humans body parts are equivalent like a leonardo da vinci renaissance man drawing. Only in our art work. No where else, not even in animals.

Gabangel:
Let me ask you, does working in a particular profession make one arm more significantly longer than the other? Answer is yes. This was evident even in Archers, not the ambidextrous ones. Let say the person is a carpenter, what happens?
Another thing that is surprising to me about the way you people talk is that if I were to draw a human, without even noticing, I would draw both arms to be of the same length, so why make them different like if I were an 8 year old? If not that I encountered a lady whose breasts where disproportionate once (noticed it when she doesn't wear bras in her clothing), I would have thought the human body parts were all equal and that made me to do some small research. And it's only in drawing that I noticed all humans body parts are equivalent like a leonardo da vinci renaissance man drawing. Only in our art work. No where else, not even in animals.

The reason why they are of different lengths is because they are in an unnatural position for a dead body. It had to be stretched to make the pose work. You try it, lie flat on your back, keep your upper arms flat to the surface you are laying on and cross your arms over your crotch. You will find you cannot replicate the pose so if you a living breathing body who can command his limbs cannot achieve the pose then how is a dead body able to? That's because it is not the impression from a dead body, necessitating the prudish exaggeration.

TenQ:
Case File Introduction:
1. Mohammed the Prophet of Allah was accused of Stealing a Piece of very beautiful RED sheet/garment/cloth that was admired by many of the followers of Mohammed. Everyone who last saw the cloth saw it with Mohammed and by his antecedent, knew that Mohammed stole the cloth. Mohammed denied stealing the cloth but he had not a single evidence to back himself with. Those who saw him amongst his followers kept insisting that their Prophet STOLE the garment.
2. The story was getting out of hand with everyone insisting that their prophet STOLE the Red garment that Mohammed had to call on his (fictitious) Allah to rescue him.
3. Unfortunately, not one of the followers of Mohammed had EVER seen Allah nor Jubril nor did Allah give his prophet ANY KIND of Evidence such as a MIRACLE to authenticate his prophet “Mohammed”. As of this time, ANYTHING Mohammed said Allah said was considered as being from Allah.
4. Mohammed in defending himself gave forth a revelation he said Allah gave him. The verse was recited to Mohammed’s followers in Quran 3:161

Supposed Allah’s Testimony:
Quran 3:161
It is not for any prophet to embezzle (steal: Ghulul). Whoso embezzleth will bring what he embezzled with him on the Day of Resurrection. Then every soul will be paid in full what it hath earned; and they will not be wronged.

THE WORD Ghulul is PROPERLY TRANSLATED AS STEALING (Taking something that is not yours illegally and deceitfully)

Quran 3:161
It is inconceivable that a Prophet would ever misappropriate (steal) anything from the war booty. Anyone who does so will carry it with him on the Day of Resurrection. Then every soul will be paid in full what it has earned and no one will be wronged.

5. Even though the testimony should have been rejected outrightly because there was no signature of the testimony by Allah. Mohammed himself wrote the testimony on behalf of the so-called Allah and he signed the document as “Allah’s Prophet” we present you with it as the fact on ground.
6. Muslim scholars in their Hadiths and Tafsirs tried to EXPLAIN the genesis of the verse acclaimed to have been received from Allah by Mohmmed

Sunan Abu Dawud (English) 30, Hadith 3960
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The verse "And no Prophet could (ever) be false to his trust" was revealed about a red velvet. When it was found missing on the day of Badr, some people said; Perhaps the Messenger of Allah has taken it. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down (Quran 3:161) "And no prophet could (ever) be false to his trust" to the end of the verse

7. UP TILL TODAY, THE RED CLOTH HAS NOT BEEN FOUND!


The Questions of the Prosecution to honesttalk21:
1. Can you please find any EVIDENCE that Mohammed was actually truly speaking for Allah?
2. If Allah is All-knowing and Mohammed is his prophet, can you please EXPLAIN why didn’t he say WHO stole the garment (as the case would have been permanently resolved)?
3. Why is it that the followers of Mohammed could even think or imagine that their prophet could even condescend so low to STEALING of anything?
4. Is there any prophet of God that has ever been accused of such despicable low-life acts like STEALING or FLIRTING with their son’s wife? (It was reported that some verses were also claimed to have been revealed about this despicable act with Zainab to defend Mr Qutham aka Mohammed)
5. Where is this Red cloth in question?




Let's assume that Mohammed never adopted Zaid but Zaid lived all his life from childhood to adulthood AND Mohammed was the one who married Zainab to him,
Is it morally right for Mohammed to marry Zainab on the excuse of Zaid divorcing her?

1. Who caused the divorce in the first place?
2. Is it halal or haram for a true Muslim man to enter into the house of another married Muslim man's house when he wasn't at home?
3. Who said this statement:
Blessed be Allah who made my heart to flip (move for you)
Is it appropriate for any true Muslim to appreciate another married Muslim woman like this?
Do you need evidence for this?

Please, evil is evil and should be condemned not justified.




Is the hadith Maudi?
Sunan Ibn Majah 1009
It was narrated that Anas bin Malik told that ‘Umar said:
“I said: ‘O Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), why do you not take the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer?’ Then the following was revealed: ‘And take you (people) the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer.’” [2:125]




Umar did not claim that he didn't believe in the devine origin of the Qur'an. What he was saying was that part of those devine Qur'an came ORIGINALLY from him.

He was simply stylishly accusing your prophet of plagiarism.


Do you want us to look at the Jinn making perfect Qur'an?

Or Iblis making perfect Qur'an that even your prophet couldn't distinguish from the Qur'an of Jibril

I shouldn't start with your failure to provide evidence that the Saudi Arabia FBI have an on going case as you LIED about any missing red velvet.

It however is the first in this reply of yours.

Of course you don't see that Quran 3:161 clearly exonerated the prophet of this bad behaviour. It emphasises the justice done in sharing by the prophet.

You also are unaware the incident was resolved when the Prophet Muhammad pbuh intervened and addressed the companions. He asked for the missing piece of red velvet to be returned, and eventually, it was found in the possession of a companion who had mistakenly taken it. The companion returned the red velvet, and the matter was resolved peacefully.


As usual you play blind and refuse to investigate on your own the truth of Abu Bakr, Umar, Ali and Aisha witnessing the revelations from Jibril.

On the divorce of Zainab you are dishonest in your assertions.

I also see you are too ashamed to define the meaning of son in law


You do not know she only married in reverence to the prophet. Was she happily married to Zaid?

Is your dislike for the closeness in time of this revelation to the event?

So sorry for your limiting the choice of Allah to be prompt or not.

How have these moral standards moved over the years?
Are there not reports of parents sleeping with their children's partners today?
Was this moral on leave when the Bible reports the daughters of Lot seducing their father? I don't have any similar story in Islam though.

On the place of worship your hatred of Islam and prophet Muhammad pbuh blinds you from seeing the continuity in Islamic tradition, emphasizing the importance of following the practices and traditions linked to the earlier prophets.

Sunan Ibn Majah 1009 serves as a reminder of the importance of tradition and the continuity of worship practices in Islam. It highlights the revered status of Prophet Ibrahim and reflects a broader theological understanding of prayer, sacredness, and the continuation of prophetic guidance.

TenQ:
Do you at least admit that your most important core value for Allah is found with Hermes and Hades who are two greek gods that neither have wives nor have children.
Hermes and Hades are fathers to no one EXACTLY like Allah

I stated clearly that Hermes and Hades have nothing in common with Allah.

Rather there are similarities with your trinity that eats with mankind who he created are numerous.

Their joint similarities with Zeus of Greece which was conquered by Rome as the Israelites is very clear.


WHY IS CHRISTIANITY STRUGGLING TO VALIDATE THIS CRUCIFIXION up to the shroud of Turin tale?

honesttalk21:
I shouldn't start with your failure to provide evidence that the Saudi Arabia FBI have an on going case as you LIED about any missing red velvet.

It however is the first in this reply of yours.

1. What is the meaning of FBI?
2. Does Saudi Arabia have "FBI"!?
The joke is on you: anything to deflect from the real argument is normal with Muslims.

honesttalk21:
Of course you don't see that Quran 3:161 clearly exonerated the prophet of this bad behaviour. It emphasises the justice done in sharing by the prophet.

Who recited Qur'an 3:161 as evidence? Wasn't it Mohammed himself!?
If I stole your money and told you that God said I did not steal the money, is that a sufficient evidence or a fluke?

Mohammed made a claim that not a single Muslim could validate.

honesttalk21:
You also are unaware the incident was resolved when the Prophet Muhammad pbuh intervened and addressed the companions. He asked for the missing piece of red velvet to be returned, and eventually, it was found in the possession of a companion who had mistakenly taken it. The companion returned the red velvet, and the matter was resolved peacefully.

This is UNTRUE else,
1. Provide the evidence from your Sahih Hadits to show WHO stole the undies
2. Why did Allah not just say who took the underwear except that Allah seems to be as limited in knowledge as the Arabs OR Mohammed was hiding under Allah as he stole the dress.

honesttalk21:
As usual you play blind and refuse to investigate on your own the truth of Abu Bakr, Umar, Ali and Aisha witnessing the revelations from Jibril.

Please present just one Evidence from your Sahih Hadiths where Abubaker, Umar, Ali or Aisha saw Jibril AND identified him as such in any form he could have taken (even as Dihyah Al-Kalbi)

honesttalk21:
On the divorce of Zainab you are dishonest in your assertions.

I also see you are too ashamed to define the meaning of son in law

You do not know she only married in reverence to the prophet. Was she happily married to Zaid?

1. Did Mohammed marry the wife of his son-in-law?
2. Did Mohammed enter the house of a married woman when her husband wasn't home?
3. Did Mohammed make an inappropriate complement to Zainab of his heart flipping for her?

Which exact one is the lie so that I can furnish you with evidence.

1. Let's assume that Zainab was not happy with her marriage, is the Job of a prophet not reconciliation of husband and wife?

2. If your younger brothers wife is not happy with him, will you advise her to divorce your brother so that you can marry her and make her happy?

3. If Mohammed commanded Zaid to take proper care of Zainab and make her happy at all cost, will he disobey the command?

honesttalk21:
Is your dislike for the closeness in time of this revelation to the event?

So sorry for your limiting the choice of Allah to be prompt or not.

How have these moral standards moved over the years?
Are there not reports of parents sleeping with their children's partners today?
Was this moral on leave when the Bible reports the daughters of Lot seducing their father? I don't have any similar story in Islam though.

Did the mortal standard of Allah also move with time?
Is it UNTRUE that Allah encouraged Mohammed to marry Zainab and Allah canceled adoption to FACILITATE the shameful deed?

If your younger brother divorced his wife, is it morally right for you to marry her?
Of this, your answer will be yes for Mohammed is your perfect example, isn't it?

The crime of Noah was drunkenness, it was his daughters that committed the shameless act with him. The Bible records the rights and wrong especially of those God had called with no favouritism as SIN is SIN regardless of who committed it. Unlike Allah who covers sin and encourages it, Yahweh doesn't do such. If I am to flip this on you, I will ask:
What is Allah's (or is it Jibril) mouth doing on the Fahjaha of Mary?
Unfortunately, as a Muslim, you don't even believe that the case of Noah and his daughters happened, so why use it as a supporting argument for your case. Did the Islamic prophet Noah have sex with his daughters according to Islam? Is he not supposed to be a Muslim like Mohammed? So, why is he morally upright and Mohammed is not?

honesttalk21:
On the place of worship your hatred of Islam and prophet Muhammad pbuh blinds you from seeing the continuity in Islamic tradition, emphasizing the importance of following the practices and traditions linked to the earlier prophets.

Can you find just one prophet who did this kind of despicable thing with their son's wife (adopted or not)
Can you find a single prophet of old who his followers can insinuate stealing?

honesttalk21:
Sunan Ibn Majah 1009 serves as a reminder of the importance of tradition and the continuity of worship practices in Islam. It highlights the revered status of Prophet Ibrahim and reflects a broader theological understanding of prayer, sacredness, and the continuation of prophetic guidance.

See how you want to brush aside the incriminating evidence against yourself

Sunan Ibn Majah 1009
It was narrated that Anas bin Malik told that ‘Umar said:
“I said: ‘O Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), why do you not take the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer?’ Then the following was revealed: ‘And take you (people) the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer.’” [2:125]


Is it UNTRUE that Qur'an 2:125 was revealed AFTER Umar said to Mohammed "why do you not take the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer?’"

When did Umar know the Qur'an even before it was revealed?

If you care for the truth, it means that Mohammed is aka Allah!


I honestly once again invite you to know the Messiah and receive from Him the GIFT of Eternal Life with God in Paradise: don't let the Al-Makr deceive you as he did to Iblis

Note:
People who are Deceived usually don't know until they are caught in the trap set for them
Just compare the characters of Jesus and Mohammed and you will see that Mohammed is the "Fake Messiah" unfortunately, it is him you follow!

honesttalk21:
I stated clearly that Hermes and Hades have nothing in common with Allah.

Rather there are similarities with your trinity that eats with mankind who he created are numerous.

Their joint similarities with Zeus of Greece which was conquered by Rome as the Israelites is very clear.


WHY IS CHRISTIANITY STRUGGLING TO VALIDATE THIS CRUCIFIXION up to the shroud of Turin tale?

Nothing in common!?
LOL!

1. Allah is one and cannot be in more than one place at a time EXACTLY like Hermes and Hades
2. Allah does not have a wife and no children EXACTLY like Hermes and Hades
3. Humanity are slaves to Allah EXACTLY as humanity are slaves to Hermes and Hades
4. Allah have body parts like hands, feet, legs etc EXACTLY like Hermes and Hades
5. Allah is NOT a spirit EXACTLY as Hermes and Hades are not spirits.
These similarities are close enough isn't it


Get is right: The shroud of Turin CANNOT validate the crucifixion.

TenQ:
1. What is the meaning of FBI?
2. Does Saudi Arabia have "FBI"!?
The joke is on you: anything to deflect from the real argument is normal with Muslims.


Who recited Qur'an 3:161 as evidence? Wasn't it Mohammed himself!?
If I stole your money and told you that God said I did not steal the money, is that a sufficient evidence or a fluke?

Mohammed made a claim that not a single Muslim could validate.


This is UNTRUE else,
1. Provide the evidence from your Sahih Hadits to show WHO stole the undies
2. Why did Allah not just say who took the underwear except that Allah seems to be as limited in knowledge as the Arabs OR Mohammed was hiding under Allah as he stole the dress.




Please present just one Evidence from your Sahih Hadiths where Abubaker, Umar, Ali or Aisha saw Jibril AND identified him as such in any form he could have taken (even as Dihyah Al-Kalbi)



1. Did Mohammed marry the wife of his son-in-law?
2. Did Mohammed enter the house of a married woman when her husband wasn't home?
3. Did Mohammed make an inappropriate complement to Zainab of his heart flipping for her?

Which exact one is the lie so that I can furnish you with evidence.

1. Let's assume that Zainab was not happy with her marriage, is the Job of a prophet not reconciliation of husband and wife?

2. If your younger brothers wife is not happy with him, will you advise her to divorce your brother so that you can marry her and make her happy?

3. If Mohammed commanded Zaid to take proper care of Zainab and make her happy at all cost, will he disobey the command?


Did the mortal standard of Allah also move with time?
Is it UNTRUE that Allah encouraged Mohammed to marry Zainab and Allah canceled adoption to FACILITATE the shameful deed?

If your younger brother divorced his wife, is it morally right for you to marry her?
Of this, your answer will be yes for Mohammed is your perfect example, isn't it?

The crime of Noah was drunkenness, it was his daughters that committed the shameless act with him. The Bible records the rights and wrong especially of those God had called with no favouritism as SIN is SIN regardless of who committed it. Unlike Allah who covers sin and encourages it, Yahweh doesn't do such. If I am to flip this on you, I will ask:
What is Allah's (or is it Jibril) mouth doing on the Fahjaha of Mary?
Unfortunately, as a Muslim, you don't even believe that the case of Noah and his daughters happened, so why use it as a supporting argument for your case. Did the Islamic prophet Noah have sex with his daughters according to Islam? Is he not supposed to be a Muslim like Mohammed? So, why is he morally upright and Mohammed is not?



Can you find just one prophet who did this kind of despicable thing with their son's wife (adopted or not)
Can you find a single prophet of old who his followers can insinuate stealing?



See how you want to brush aside the incriminating evidence against yourself

Sunan Ibn Majah 1009
It was narrated that Anas bin Malik told that ‘Umar said:
“I said: ‘O Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), why do you not take the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer?’ Then the following was revealed: ‘And take you (people) the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer.’” [2:125]


Is it UNTRUE that Qur'an 2:125 was revealed AFTER Umar said to Mohammed "why do you not take the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer?’"

When did Umar know the Qur'an even before it was revealed?

If you care for the truth, it means that Mohammed is aka Allah!


I honestly once again invite you to know the Messiah and receive from Him the GIFT of Eternal Life with God in Paradise: don't let the Al-Makr deceive you as he did to Iblis

Note:
People who are Deceived usually don't know until they are caught in the trap set for them
Just compare the characters of Jesus and Mohammed and you will see that Mohammed is the "Fake Messiah" unfortunately, it is him you follow!

In Islam, Jesus (known as Isa in Arabic) is also considered the Messiah.

According to Islamic teachings, Jesus was born of a virgin, performed miracles, and will return before the Day of Judgment. However, Islam does not view him as the son of God or divine; rather, he is a revered prophet and messenger.

The term Messiah in this context is associated with his role as a leader and a sign of the Day of Resurrection, rather than an implication of divinity.

The title Messiah of Jesus is not but his anointing, serves to emphasize the anointed aspect of Jesus without attributing additional divine characteristics to him.

Thus, while Muslims honor all prophets, comparing them in any way diminishes the status or message of any one of them is generally discouraged. Each prophet has a unique role in the divine plan, and their contributions should be appreciated within that context.

Muslims are advised not to compare the prophets. This stems from the belief that all prophets are chosen by Allah (God) and are equal in their status as messengers, conveying His message to humanity.

The Quran explicitly mentions the importance of respecting all prophets. For example, Surah Al-Baqarah (2:253) states:

"Those messengers, some of them We caused to surpass others; and among them were those to whom Allah spoke. And He raised some of them in degrees. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and We supported him with the Pure Spirit. And if Allah had willed, those who came after them would not have fought each other, but they differed. And if Allah had willed, they would not have fought each other, but Allah does what He intends."

This verse highlights that while some prophets may have specific roles or experiences, all hold a significant place in the Islamic tradition. The importance is on their messages and the guidance they provided, rather than creating hierarchies among them.

You obsession with comparison shows your closeness to the Satan who sees himself better than mankind.

I wonder at the relevance of all these you typed to the serious questions I raised.
Notwithstanding, I will oblige you

honesttalk21:
In Islam, Jesus (known as Isa in Arabic) is also considered the Messiah.

According to Islamic teachings, Jesus was born of a virgin, performed miracles, and will return before the Day of Judgment. However, Islam does not view him as the son of God or divine; rather, he is a revered prophet and messenger.

Unfortunately, this islamic view contradict the earlier revealed scripture which Allah claims to subscribe to.
1. If Jesus is a Spirit from Allah just as Jibril is a spirit, does it not mean that Jesus was existing before he was put inside Mary?
2. If Jesus is a Word of Allah, is the Word of Allah created? Is the word of Allah not an attribute of Allah?
3. Why is the title Ruhullah or Kalimatullah not given to Adam or any other Bring other than Jesus
4. Does it make any logical sense that Mohammed be the greatest prophet even higher than Jesus?

Who is that one propagating falsehood to you?

honesttalk21:
The term Messiah in this context is associated with his role as a leader and a sign of the Day of Resurrection, rather than an implication of divinity.

The title Messiah of Jesus is not but his anointing, serves to emphasize the anointed aspect of Jesus without attributing additional divine characteristics to him.

Thus, while Muslims honor all prophets, comparing them in any way diminishes the status or message of any one of them is generally discouraged. Each prophet has a unique role in the divine plan, and their contributions should be appreciated within that context.

Muslims are advised not to compare the prophets. This stems from the belief that all prophets are chosen by Allah (God) and are equal in their status as messengers, conveying His message to humanity.

You do not have any authority to redefine the term Messiah other than the definition of the Jews and Christians.
The term Messiah is not Arabic, it is Hebrew sir.

What is the meaning of the term Messiah as defined by either Mohammed or Allah?
Don't fabricate a definition that is designed to make you ignorant.

honesttalk21:
The Quran explicitly mentions the importance of respecting all prophets. For example, Surah Al-Baqarah (2:253) states:

"Those messengers, some of them We caused to surpass others; and among them were those to whom Allah spoke. And He raised some of them in degrees. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and We supported him with the Pure Spirit. And if Allah had willed, those who came after them would not have fought each other, but they differed. And if Allah had willed, they would not have fought each other, but Allah does what He intends."

This verse highlights that while some prophets may have specific roles or experiences, all hold a significant place in the Islamic tradition. The importance is on their messages and the guidance they provided, rather than creating hierarchies among them.

Only Mohammed is the Islamic prophet and don't drag the prophets of the Jews and Christians to your level.

If you claim to believe in the prophets, why do you refuse to Read their Books. Even if you hate the new testament, you still have 24 books of the Tanak.

Your case is like a person under the control of a 419 that gave you a deed of assignment of a property BUT makes sure you do not verify it.

Great will be the consequences of your deception.

honesttalk21:
You obsession with comparison shows your closeness to the Satan who sees himself better than mankind.

Tell me how to identify a FAKE from the ORIGINAL without comparison?


At least, you now know that
1. Allah is NOT Yahweh
2. Allah is NOT a Spirit
3. Allah is NOT Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent
4. Allah desires us to commit sin in other than we may beg him for forgiveness
5. Allah is NOT a Father even in a figurative sense.
6. Allah cannot enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah

Only if you willingly choose to Deceive yourself will you think this your Allah is the same as the God of Abraham, Moses and the earlier prophets.

TenQ:
I wonder at the relevance of all these you typed to the serious questions I raised.
Notwithstanding, I will oblige you


Unfortunately, this islamic view contradict the earlier revealed scripture which Allah claims to subscribe to.
1. If Jesus is a Spirit from Allah just as Jibril is a spirit, does it not mean that Jesus was existing before he was put inside Mary?
2. If Jesus is a Word of Allah, is the Word of Allah created? Is the word of Allah not an attribute of Allah?
3. Why is the title Ruhullah or Kalimatullah not given to Adam or any other Bring other than Jesus
4. Does it make any logical sense that Mohammed be the greatest prophet even higher than Jesus?

Who is that one propagating falsehood to you?



You do not have any authority to redefine the term Messiah other than the definition of the Jews and Christians.
The term Messiah is not Arabic, it is Hebrew sir.

What is the meaning of the term Messiah as defined by either Mohammed or Allah?
Don't fabricate a definition that is designed to make you ignorant.



Only Mohammed is the Islamic prophet and don't drag the prophets of the Jews and Christians to your level.

If you claim to believe in the prophets, why do you refuse to Read their Books. Even if you hate the new testament, you still have 24 books of the Tanak.

Your case is like a person under the control of a 419 that gave you a deed of assignment of a property BUT makes sure you do not verify it.

Great will be the consequences of your deception.




Tell me how to identify a FAKE from the ORIGINAL without comparison?


At least, you now know that
1. Allah is NOT Yahweh
2. Allah is NOT a Spirit
3. Allah is NOT Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent
4. Allah desires us to commit sin in other than we may beg him for forgiveness
5. Allah is NOT a Father even in a figurative sense.
6. Allah cannot enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah

Only if you willingly choose to Deceive yourself will you think this your Allah is the same as the God of Abraham, Moses and the earlier prophets.

We are not mandated to agree.
You are no law over me and neither am I over you. I put forth logical arguments which you are at liberty to agree or disagree with.

Your inclination to exaggerate when you know God breathed what is known as his spirit into Adam. This same spirit is shared by all mankind.

Do you not ask yourself why 'gods son' did not just appear as you say he was with God at the beginning?

Why did 'god's son' have to be born by a descendant of Adam? Or she too miraculously existed?

Will the antichrist not just appear or will he born?

It's your prerogative to live by your definitions of god as others have theirs. Stop imposing your views.

Your understanding of omnipotence and presence are skewed terribly wrong.

The supreme is close to his creation as all came from him so there's no need for him to exclusicely enter into it.

If your trinity consists of God, Jesus and the holy spirit that are equal yet God father is above the others why is there no instruction in your confusion to worship the holy spirit as you worship Jesus and God?

Does this not point at an inequality?

Not interested in your answer as it doesn't benefit me in any way. Just be in your beliefs amongst your likes or aren't they enough company for you?

I see you are stuck on comparing prophets. Do your best to follow your prophet and worry less about comparing him unless you doubt what is presented as his message to you.

Even at that comparing them isn't the answer you seek. Search yourself deep into your soul and ask so you will be given

honesttalk21:
We are not mandated to agree.
You are no law over me and neither am I over you. I put forth logical arguments which you are at liberty to agree or disagree with.

I am mandated by Christ to show you the truth because the Truth will set you free from spiritual bondage

honesttalk21:
Your inclination to exaggerate when you know God breathed what is known as his spirit into Adam. This same spirit is shared by all mankind.

Unfortunately, you don't have any explanation for why Al-Qudus is NOT an attribute of Allah that Allah breathes into Adam or anyone. Is Al-Qudus not a living being from Allah?

Jesus like Ruh Al-Qudus was not breathe from Allah: Jesus is a Spirit send down from Allah into Mary.
Worst of it is that no Muslim can say exactly what the spirit is. Is Jesus an attribute of Allah? Yes or No!

honesttalk21:
Do you not ask yourself why 'gods son' did not just appear as you say he was with God at the beginning?

Why did 'god's son' have to be born by a descendant of Adam? Or she too miraculously existed?

Jesus was born through the descendant of Adam that he may be able to stand as a ransom for us human?

Even in Islam, will any Angel or Jinn be ransom for you Muslims? No!
According to your prophet, Jews and Christians will stand as ransom for you from hell fire!

honesttalk21:
Will the antichrist not just appear or will he born?

You are the Muslim, tell me how the Islamic Dajjal will be born
Why did your prophet compare Allah to the Dajjal? It seems that the difference between them is that Allah has two eyes while the Dajjal has only one working eyes

honesttalk21:
It's your prerogative to live by your definitions of god as others have theirs. Stop imposing your views.

Is the Messiah an Arabic word or a Hebrew word?
If it is indeed a Hebrew word, then if the TRUTH matters to you, you should use the Hebrew definition.

honesttalk21:
Your understanding of omnipotence and presence are skewed terribly wrong.

The supreme is close to his creation as all came from him so there's no need for him to exclusicely enter into it.

1. Is your Allah everywhere in space and time physical and spiritual? If the answer is NO, then Allah is not Omnipresent
2. Can your Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah? If the answer is NO, then Allah is not Omnipotent
3. Does Allah know the future (Did he destined the boy Al-Khidr killed to die young or to die old) except you can show that the boys destiny is to die young, Allah does not know the future. Does Allah know the past? If he thinks either the story of Dhul-Qarnayn is true or the story of the sleepers in the cave is true, then he knows not the past.

honesttalk21:
If your trinity consists of God, Jesus and the holy spirit that are equal yet God father is above the others why is there no instruction in your confusion to worship the holy spirit as you worship Jesus and God?

Does this not point at an inequality?

Just as Allah is not knowledgeable of the trinity, you too is completely ignorant or lying about the trinity.

Trinity is this
God YHWH is the Holy Spirit
God YHWH is the Word
God YHWH is the Father

honesttalk21:
Not interested in your answer as it doesn't benefit me in any way. Just be in your beliefs amongst your likes or aren't they enough company for you?

I see you are stuck on comparing prophets. Do your best to follow your prophet and worry less about comparing him unless you doubt what is presented as his message to you.

Even at that comparing them isn't the answer you seek. Search yourself deep into your soul and ask so you will be given

I don't compare prophets,
I compare the Identity of Allah with the identity of Yahweh
I compare the Identity of Mohammed with the Identity of Jesus
I compare the Identity of the religion of Islam with the identity of Christianity and Judaism

Why?
Allah is the Al-Makr, Mohammed is a fake prophet and Islam leads straight to hellfire!

I am commanded to test doctrines to know the source

1Jn 4:1-3:
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know you the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
1Jn 4:14-15: "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwells in him, and he in God."





The Truth will definitely set you Free on the day you decide or chose to adopt it.

TenQ:
I am mandated by Christ to show you the truth because the Truth will set you free from spiritual bondage

You claim to be mandated to show truth.
Must your version or interpretation of the truth be forced on another?

Did your Jesus force the truth on anyone?
Sincerely answer.

Are you not mislead by the political recognition under Constinople to force your view or you are reawakening the acts of the crusaders?

1Peter 3:15 reads But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear

Did I ask you about your hope or reason for it?

Do you show meekness in your mannerisms?

honesttalk21:
You claim to be mandated to show truth.
Must your version or interpretation of the truth be forced on another?

Did your Jesus force the truth on anyone?
Sincerely answer.

Are you not mislead by the political recognition under Constinople to force your view or you are reawakening the acts of the crusaders?

1Peter 3:15 reads But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear

Did I ask you about your hope or reason for it?

Do you show meekness in your mannerisms?

My claim again:
I am mandated by Christ to show you the truth because the Truth will set you free from spiritual bondage
It is impossible to force my views on anyone except by duress and threats (which is impossible on a forum like Nairaland)

I can understand that you don't like the message because the TRUTH sometimes hurt. It is like telling you that the document and deeds of the fake choice property given to you by a 419 agent for N50million Naira at Asokoro or Maitama is fake and that you should back out of the deal before you loose your capital.

If I truly care about you, my job will be to rain on you every available TRUTH and INFORMATION that will make you check up on the lies you have been fed with.

At the end of the day, it will still be your CHOICE to choose but it is my responsibility to do my very best as a brother to furnish you with ALL necessary FACTS showing you HOW and WHY you are about being DEFRAUDED and show you where to get a GENUINE property.

How else have I not show meekness to you? Do I insult you or rail at you or against those against your soul? (Allah, Mohammed and Islam) and the last I checked, You are not Allah, you are not Mohammed and you are not Islam!

Tell me, if a sick friend of yours collected a deadly poison instead of drugs from a 419 doctor, how will you go about preventing this your friend from wasting his life with your meekness?
If you can seize this poison from your sick friend and destroy it, will you do so?

-Will you be persistent?
-Will you be zealous?
-Will you furnish him with enough Truth?
-Will you be gentle with the fake doctor, his nurses and hospital?


It is obvious that it is impossible that both Islam and Christianity be TRUE

This is what Jesus said:
Mar 16:15-16:
"And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned."

I care about your salvation sir. Why will you hold on to a religion that is based on falsehood? We can understand if the religion of satan is based on cascades of falsehood BUT Can the religion of God be based on falsehood?

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way that looks right to a man but the end of it is destruction...

I pray that the Grace of God will come to you and that your spiritual eyes be open to know the Messiah and His purpose.

I pray that YOU honesttalk21 will become SAVED and end up preaching the gospel of Christ to all In Jesus name: Amen!

jaephoenix:
So is a non-theist person a Christian?
By the way, I have a screenshot of a simple definition. So read and learn

chai! English failed you again

Take time and read the underlined

lesbiconverter:
chai! English failed you again

Take time and read the underlined

English has really dealt with you. Did you read the part it says non-theism means lack of belief in a god? Or are you blind?

luluman:
You can defend atheism if you are an atheist, but leave christianity alone!!

Did you see anyone attack christians here? Its the other way round now. A Christian disturbing atheists. You have kept quiet about that one

Nefort:
It's not about freedom of speech. You can't challenge or disregard other people's beliefs without facing a push back.

Wait. Lemme get something straight? So a christian can wake up, disturb us from sleep, block me on the road to give me tracts, spray saliva on me and deafen my ears in the guise of preaching in the bus, even block roads so that I can't drive through during their crusades. And its ok. But when I mention on my profile that I don't believe in their god, boom, all hell is let loose, I am disregarding their beliefs? Really?

Nefort:
Atheists would also say or do the same thing to christians if they were the majority. The reason why atheists are appearing nice and peaceful is because they are the minority, so they have no choice but to remain calm in the midst of christians. I hope you agree with this?

Well, there are many countries where atheists are sizeable percentages like Iceland, Netherlands etc. They don't attack christians. So stop lying.

jaephoenix:
Well, there are many countries where atheists are sizeable percentages like Iceland, Netherlands etc. They don't attack christians. So stop lying.

There are also many countries where christians are the majority and they don't attack atheists.

jaephoenix:
Wait. Lemme get something straight? So a christian can wake up, disturb us from sleep, block me on the road to give me tracts, spray saliva on me and deafen my ears in the guise of preaching in the bus, even block roads so that I can't drive through during their crusades. And its ok. But when I mention on my profile that I don't believe in their god, boom, all hell is let loose, I am disregarding their beliefs? Really?

Nobody cares you are an atheist as long as you don't disturb the public about it. If you disturb the public they will come for you. Even christians become unhappy when other christians use loud speakers to disturb the neighbourhood or coming to your house tomorrow preach to you when you have something doing.

jaephoenix:
English has really dealt with you. Did you read the part it says non-theism means lack of belief in a god? Or are you blind?

Can you please read again especially the underlined. I'm tired of educating stubborn ignoramuses

lesbiconverter:
Can you please read again especially the underlined. I'm tired of educating stubborn ignoramuses

Your underlined says one thing and the rest of the post says different.
Cant you read d1aft ignoramu.s?

Nefort:
There are also many countries where christians are the majority and they don't attack atheists.

Which countries, precisely?

Nefort:
Nobody cares you are an atheist as long as you don't disturb the public about it. If you disturb the public they will come for you. Even christians become unhappy when other christians use loud speakers to disturb the neighbourhood or coming to your house tomorrow preach to you when you have something doing.

You live in Nigeria, right? Have you seen or heard an atheist talk on radio, tv or social media? Or even preach on the streets or any building? So how are atheists disturbing christians?

Nefort:
Nobody cares you are an atheist as long as you don't disturb the public about it. If you disturb the public they will come for you. Even christians become unhappy when other christians use loud speakers to disturb the neighbourhood or coming to your house tomorrow preach to you when you have something doing.

How many atheists have come to your house or used loud speaker to preach to you?

jaephoenix:
Your underlined says one thing and the rest of the post says different.
Cant you read d1aft ignoramu.s?

You ignoring the fact shows how daf+ and s+upid you really are. Arguing with you is really makes me think less.
I'll leave you with your cognitive disability and dyslexia

jaephoenix:
Which countries, precisely?

Most European countries, most South American countries, and most southern African countries are christians countries. I don't ever remember reading in the news that an atheist was attacked by christians in those countries for being an atheist. So stop feeling like a target because you are an atheist. Your atheism is inconsequential as long as you don't disturb christians.

LordReed:
How many atheists have come to your house or used loud speaker to preach to you?

jaephoenix:
You live in Nigeria, right? Have you seen or heard an atheist talk on radio, tv or social media? Or even preach on the streets or any building? So how are atheists disturbing christians?

Atheists do so online by derailing discussions among christians. It happens on Nairaland frequently and other online discussion platforms.

Nefort:
Atheists do so online by derailing discussions among christians. It happens on Nairaland frequently and other online discussion platforms.

That is not the question I asked you. The question again: How many atheists have come to your house or used loud speaker to preach to you?

LordReed:
That is not the question I asked you. The question again: How many atheists have come to your house or used loud speaker to preach to you?

I never said atheists come to my house to preach to me. I was saying nobody should be a public nuisance with your beliefs, and I gave an example about christians getting irritated when other christians disturb the neighbourhood with loud speakers or visit people's houses to preach at the wrong time.

lesbiconverter:
You ignoring the fact shows how daf+ and s+upid you really are. Arguing with you is really makes me think less.
I'll leave you with your cognitive disability and dyslexia

You ignoring part of your own post and pointing to only a section of it shows how idio+ic and cre+arted you really are. Arguing with you is really makes me think less.
I'll leave you with your bas+ardic and daf+ view

Nefort:
Most European countries, most South American countries, and most southern African countries are christians countries. I don't ever remember reading in the news that an atheist was attacked by christians in those countries for being an atheist. So stop feeling like a target because you are an atheist. Your atheism is inconsequential as long as you don't disturb christians.

Most Europeans are irreligious. Southern African countries actually harass atheists. In Nigeria, my former boss told me he cant employ atheists

Nefort:
Atheists do so online by derailing discussions among christians. It happens on Nairaland frequently and other online discussion platforms.

Lollest. There are barely 50 atheists on Nairaland. There are maybe 3 million Christians(going by the 49:51 ratio). So you wanna tell me 50 folks can derail threads of millions of Nairalanders?
Btw, have you not seen atheist threads that have been derailed severally by christians? Alao Muslim threads have been so harassed that Seun had to separate you guys from the Muslims. So obviously christians are the problem here. I haven't seen a single muslim derail atheist thread