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oteneaaron:
I don't need all these long stories!

If you're not an APOSTATE, why can't you share the results of your "personal research" with your fellow JW members?

If you're not an APOSTATE, why are you teaching what has not been "approved" by the Governing Body?

You see the madness and insanities peddling brains redefining what apostasy or apostate means

MaxInDHouse:
Definitely you don't know the meaning of that word "APOSTATES" you just wish all members of God's organization join you in your rebellion.

Jesus asked his disciples who the people say he is and lots of contradicting ideas arises and when he asked his own disciples saying:

“You, though, who do you say I am?” Matthew 16:15

Peter responded saying:

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Matthew 16:16

Now note that only Peter responded positively others are still skeptical about who Jesus is it was six days later that they opened up on their skepticism when Jesus took James, John and Peter to the mountain where they heard God's voice confirming Jesus as the Christ {Matthew 17:1-5} then they spoke up asking:

“Why, then, do the scribes say that E·liʹjah must come first?” Matthew 17:10

What do you learn from that?

Well it simply means they kept following Jesus even though they're not fully convinced of his personality in God's arrangement but they're not ready to let go unless they're able to find a better performing prophet who will fit in to all the prophecies about the Christ. John 6:66-68
That faithful day it was like a veil was removed from their eyes so they asked Jesus why the scriptures say Elijah will come first before him!

So an apostate isn't one who is making his or her own personal research regarding God's will {Act 17:11} but one who couldn't work with God's organized people whole soul even though he or she can't find a better performing group yet condemning the one and only organization that is performing up to expectations!

More madness and insanities peddling.....

So an apostate isn't one who is making his or her own personal research regarding God's will but one who couldn't work with God's organized people whole soul even though he or she can't find a better performing group yet condemning the one and only organization that is performing up to expectations

As usual redefining apostasy. Russell is an APOSTATE

MaxInDHouse:
I will never ever answer the same group name with faithless people so just call me:
"Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses"

You just made the entire Jehovah's witnesses faithless for being a Christian congregation

Emusan:
Then answer the simple question:

Are you a Christian?

He keeps shaming his religious organization as faithless

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't know the answer then keep your question to yourself!

Hanged

Emusan:
Shameless liar

1. Are you a Christian?
2. Are you a JWs?
3. Are you a Christian and JWs?

Well, you've already proved your own lie of ONE LINE OF THOUGHT here by saying "I will say it anywhere except to teach among Jehovah's Witnesses because the GB hasn't approved it that's my own personal research."

Your gods already said THEY ARE CHRISTIAN

MaxInDHouse do you share same one line of thought with your GODS of men housed IN USA that you are a Christian or your GODS are faithless?

oteneaaron:
I don't need all these long stories!

If you're not an APOSTATE, why can't you share the results of your "personal research" with your fellow JW members?

If you're not an APOSTATE, why are you teaching what has not been "approved" by the Governing Body?

A person that cannot show his circuit overseer his activities here on nairaland even fellow elders in their midst. Hypocrite and a worst fool for that matter

StillDtruth:
The words you are looking for or you should be looking for are Truth, fairness and equity.

Reasonability is just reason ability, and normal people do reason even if they do not reason well or reason goodly, truthfully or fairly, which is what you did by Lying.

And Lying is proof of Satanism and definitely not a way of discussing the bible which is done in.Spirit and In Truth!

And that is why i had nothing further to.say to you.

Bro you have always said that this thread is showing you the truth. Good for you. Please continue following the thread.

But as for me, I depend on scripture alone for the truth.

Bye bye.

Boomark:
Bro you have always said that this thread is showing you the truth. Good for you. Please continue following the thread.

But as for me, I depend on scripture alone for the truth.

Bye bye.

And the thread shows that what i said was the scriptures. Bye

Who are CHRISTIANS and when was this group commissioned?

Jesus of Nazareth was sent to gather obedient humans throughout the earth so as the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} he is to teach them how they will put away the old personality that was born, bread and raised in sin then teach them how to put on the new personality that was created in God's image {Ephesians 4:22-24} in this way they will continue using what Jesus taught them in the scriptures to divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing, buying, selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare to Psalms 46:9
So anyone following Jesus of Nazareth in going about preaching and teaching these things is a Christian because that what he assigned them to do until the conclusion of this system of things! Matthew 28:18-20

But before the birth of Jesus there were humans who have served God faithfully with all their heart, such ones did all what God required of them even in the face of fierce opposition such ones are wordhipers of Jehovah in ancient times. There is one quality that Jehovah saw in them before keeping their memories alive till today! Luke 20:37-38
What is this QUALITY?
It's LOYALTY!
Before God called Abraham out from among his relatives Abraham was a worshiper of idols just as most people of his time {Joshua 24:2} but Jehovah who searches the heart {2Chronicles 16:9} saw in this man a quality that no one has that's why Jehovah called him and lead him to another place and Abraham became the father of all those who has faith in Jehovah. Romans 4:11
Job lived far away from the Israelites vet as far as he is Jehovah saw the same quality in this man {Job 1:8} this means there is a certain quality that attracts Jehovah in those He chooses to make His friends! James 2:23
Today people live in different geographical locations on this planet and just like Abraham before he was called are serving different gods of their ancestors, if they have the same quality as Abel, Enoch , Noah, Abraham, Job and other ancient friends of Jehovah He wants all of them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers speaking the same language of PEACE! Zephaniah 3:9

But why is Jehovah drawing all these people to Himself despite the fact that they are pagans? John 6:44

Well it's because they have proved to His Witnesses through their actions even though they never had the opportunity to know Him {Romans 2:15-16} so Christianity was commissioned by Christ Jesus to connect these people together as ONE! John 17:20-23

So while a Christian can get tired and stop following Jesus due to delay in what he or she hopes {John 6:66} a Jehovah's Witness will never ever abandon the course {John 6:68-69} he or she believes in One God who has promised to unite all His faithful servants under one umbrella and that is what he will continue to long for all the days of his life as he walks with them doing what our God requires of us with LOVE! Mark 12:30 compare to 1Corinthians 13:13

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:
In the first century a young Jewish carpenter named Jesus of Nazareth formed a group later known as CHRISTIANS but there is a question some people do ask:

People that have served God faithfully in ancient times can we also call them Christians?

Since CHRISTIANS means followers of Christ and there are many things Jesus taught that ancient servants of God never knew what should we call such ancient servants of God like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Gideon, Deborah, Samuel, David, Solomon, Josiah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, Nehemiah, Ezra, Zechariah, Hezekiah, Amos, Malachi and John the baptist who never practiced what Jesus taught?

Yes they are christians. And even we modern christians still have a lot to learn. There are many things we still don't know just like them of old.

tctrills:
Yes they are christians. And even we modern christians still have a lot to learn. There are many things we still don't know just like them of old.

Who is a Christian?

MaxInDHouse:
Who is a Christian?

A follower of Christ for example David

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Just like you and I, Jesus Christ is his Lord. Same with all the Prophets, they all looked into the coming of Christ. He is their Lord just as he is our Lord
Though they did not see Jesus Christ, like us, the obtained his promises by faith in him
Heb 6.12-13
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

Them of old all died but because of their faith in him, they receive salvation just like you and I.
Heb 11.13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

tctrills:
A follower of Christ for example David

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Just like you and I, Jesus Christ is his Lord. Same with all the Prophets, they all looked into the coming of Christ. He is their Lord just as he is our Lord
Though they did not see Jesus Christ, like us, the obtained his promises by faith in him
Heb 6.12-13
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

Them of old all died but because of their faith in him, they receive salvation just like you and I.
Heb 11.13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Who was the first LORD that David referred to in psalm 110:1?

Did faithful servants of old like Abraham and david put faith in Jesus Christ or they put faith in the promise of the coming messiah by the Almighty God who was greater than Jesus?

Michael547:
Who was the first LORD that David referred to in psalm 110:1?

Did faithful servants of old like Abraham and david put faith in Jesus Christ or they put faith in the promise of the coming messiah by the Almighty God who was greater than Jesus?

You are saying the same thing. You put faith in the Messiah that has come and they put faith in the Messiah that was to come. It seems both of you put faith in the same person.
Both of you are Christians

tctrills:
You are saying the same thing. You put faith in the Messiah that has come and they put faith in the Messiah that was to come. It seems both of you put faith in the same person.
Both of you are Christians

Those putting faith in the Christ who is to come aren't Christians they are putting faith in whom they have not seen or heard from so we can't call them Christians because Christians are followers of Christ not people who have heard about Christ like those ancient prophets heard of him but never saw or heard from him.

For your information the Jews who rejected Jesus of Nazareth have also heard about Christ through prophecies but they refused to follow him because he preached and taught what they find difficult to practice from their own opinion.

Take for instance a Jew who has put faith in the prophecies about the Christ from his youth but by the time he met Jesus in person he refused to become one of his disciples because what he expected isn't what Jesus said. Luke 18:18-23

So just as you have rightly said Christians are followers of Christ not those who have heard about him that's why Jesus could say that all those who have heard about him are lesser from God's viewpoint while his followers are greater! Matthew 11:11

tctrills:
A follower of Christ for example David

David never lived in the day Jesus walked the earth teaching people what they must do to live forever so he never obeyed Jesus' command that's what disqualified him to be called a Christian or FOLLOWER of Christ!

MaxInDHouse:
David never lived in the day Jesus walked the earth teaching people what they must do to live forever so he never obeyed Jesus' command that's what disqualified him to be called a Christian or FOLLOWER of Christ!

You are the one setting the rule here. That's not the word of God. The word of God says all those who believe will be saved.
Yes David did not know all things about Christ, neither do we. That's why we go to church to learn more. To be a Christian, you don't have to know everything.
It all starts when you believe in Christ.
If God doesn't disqualify them before the coming of Christ, let's not create our own rule to disqualify them.

MaxInDHouse:
Those putting faith in the Christ who is to come aren't Christians they are putting faith in whom they have not seen or heard from so we can't call them Christians because Christians are followers of Christ not people who have heard about Christ like those ancient prophets heard of him but never saw or heard from him.

For your information the Jews who rejected Jesus of Nazareth have also heard about Christ through prophecies but they refused to follow him because he preached and taught what they find difficult to practice from their own opinion.

Take for instance a Jew who has put faith in the prophecies about the Christ from his youth but by the time he met Jesus in person he refused to become one of his disciples because what he expected isn't what Jesus said. Luke 18:18-23

So just as you have rightly said Christians are followers of Christ not those who have heard about him that's why Jesus could say that all those who have heard about him are lesser from God's viewpoint while his followers are greater! Matthew 11:11

The bible never said those who put their faith in Christ are not christian. In fact those who put their faith in Christ are the true Christians. It doesn't matter at what time they lived.
Remember, all those who believe will be saved John 3. 16.
Let's not make new rules. Let's just accept Gods words.
That the Jews rejected Christ doesn't mean that all those who had faith in him before his coming are not christians. What point exactly were you trying to make?

MaxInDHouse:
Those putting faith in the Christ who is to come aren't Christians they are putting faith in whom they have not seen or heard from so we can't call them Christians because Christians are followers of Christ not people who have heard about Christ like those ancient prophets heard of him but never saw or heard from him.

For your information the Jews who rejected Jesus of Nazareth have also heard about Christ through prophecies but they refused to follow him because he preached and taught what they find difficult to practice from their own opinion.

Take for instance a Jew who has put faith in the prophecies about the Christ from his youth but by the time he met Jesus in person he refused to become one of his disciples because what he expected isn't what Jesus said. Luke 18:18-23

So just as you have rightly said Christians are followers of Christ not those who have heard about him that's why Jesus could say that all those who have heard about him are lesser from God's viewpoint while his followers are greater! Matthew 11:11

Na to just type without reading what you type to see the contradictions there.....

Those putting faith in the Christ who is to come aren't Christians they are putting faith in whom they have not seen or heard from so we can't call them Christians because Christians are followers of Christ not people who have heard about Christ like those ancient prophets heard of him but never saw or heard from him.

That's the person who calls others faithless miscreants who will type faithless miscreants peddling of his brains to look good.

Faith shows the reality of what we hope for; it is the evidence of things we cannot see. 2 Through their faith, the people in days of old earned a good reputation.

and....

All these people died still believing what God had promised them. They did not receive what was promised, but they saw it all from a distance and welcomed it. They agreed that they were foreigners and nomads here on earth.

tctrills:
Yes David did not know all things about Christ, neither do we. That's why we go to church to learn more.

Who taught David and where did he learn the law of Christ?

tctrills:
The bible never said those who put their faith in Christ are not christian. In fact those who put their faith in Christ are the true Christians. It doesn't matter at what time they lived.
Remember, all those who believe will be saved John 3. 16.
Let's not make new rules. Let's just accept Gods words.
That the Jews rejected Christ doesn't mean that all those who had faith in him before his coming are not christians. What point exactly were you trying to make?

You rightly said Christians are followers of Christ which means those practicing what Jesus taught but how can those who have not heard from him practice what he taught when they are already dead before his coming?

They were faithful servants of God before the era of Christ but they never followed him so they are not Christians!

tctrills:
You are saying the same thing. You put faith in the Messiah that has come and they put faith in the Messiah that was to come. It seems both of you put faith in the same person.
Both of you are Christians

Faithful servants of old were not Christians. They never knew Jesus as a person and were not under the law of christ and were not required to put faith in Jesus. They Were righteous because they were Worshipped and put faith in the Father of Jesus who is the Almighty God known as Jehovah or Yahweh who later sent Jesus to come to the earth as promised.

Michael547:
Faithful servants of old were not Christians. They never knew Jesus as a person and were not under the law of christ and were not required to put faith in Jesus. They Were righteous because they were Worshipped and put faith in the Father of Jesus who is the Almighty God known as Jehovah or Yahweh who later sent Jesus to come to the earth as promised.

The bible never says you need to know Jesus as a person. You and I never knew Jesus as a person neither did the bible teach that only those under the new testament are christians. Let's not add a new meaning to being a Christian.
The most important teaching of Jesus Christ is for us to believe in him and it's clear that they did. He was their Lord according to David.

tctrills:
The bible never says you need to know Jesus as a person. You and I never knew Jesus as a person neither did the bible teach that only those under the new testament are christians. Let's not add a new meaning to being a Christian. The most important teaching of Jesus Christ is for us to believe in him and it's clear that they did. He was their Lord according to David.

tctrills:
(A Christians is) a follower of Christ.

Did David FOLLOW Jesus' TEACHINGS?

MaxInDHouse:
You rightly said Christians are followers of Christ which means those practicing what Jesus taught but how can those who have not heard from him practice what he taught when they are already dead before his coming?

They were faithful servants of God before the era of Christ but they never followed him so they are not Christians!

David already told you that he was their Lord. What more do you need to know. Secondly who do you think gave the Laws, and teachings in the old testament? Both the old and new testament contain the word of God. Any one who follows the word of God is a follower of Jesus Christ.
In his own words, he said
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Just like us today, them of old came to the father through him. We know this because Jesus Christ doesn't lie

tctrills:
The bible never says you need to know Jesus as a person. You and I never knew Jesus as a person neither did the bible teach that only those under the new testament are christians. Let's not add a new meaning to being a Christian.
The most important teaching of Jesus Christ is for us to believe in him and it's clear that they did. He was their Lord according to David.

Oga I never knew Jesus as person but his earthly records are in the bible and he has established the church in which he is the head of it.

Show me where the bible called faithful men of old Christians so that we can know who is adding to the Bible or giving a new meaning to the word 'Christian'.

Michael547:
Oga I never knew Jesus as person but his earthly records are in the bible and he has established the church in which he is the head of it.

Show me where the bible called faithful men of old Christians so that we can know who is adding to the Bible or giving a new meaning to the word 'Christian'.

The word Christian was invented only after his death so your question is not relevant. Are you saying that any of his followers who died before the word was invented is not a Christian?
According to this your question, Stephen is not a Christian because he died before the word or the nickname was invented

tctrills:
David already told you that he was their Lord.

The PHARISEES, SADDUCEES, SCRIBES and all Jewish Rabbis believe that the Christ is their LORD but when Jesus came to teach them the things of the CHRIST they rejected it.
So it's only those who followed Jesus and ready to practice what he taught them that are Christians not all those calling him LORD! LORD! Simply because they have heard or seen his glory! Matthew 7:21-23

tctrills:
The word Christian was invented only after his death so your question is not relevant. Are you saying that any of his followers who died before the word was invented is not a Christian?
According to this your question, Stephen is not a Christian because he died before the word or the nickname was invented

Oga Stephen was a follower of christ and was part of the church which was under the law of christ. Stephen was therefore a Christian.

MaxInDHouse:
Did David FOLLOW Jesus' TEACHINGS?

100% he did. All the teachings in the old and new Testament are his teachings

Michael547:
Oga Stephen was a follower of christ and was part of the church which was under the law of christ. Stephen was therefore a Christian.

So was every other follower of Christ in the old testament. Moses was a follower of Christ. So by your qualification, he was a Christian