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I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by Paulpeterparker: 12:04pm On Jan 13
I really hate to see pastor riding on private jets while the poor are suffering. So i have decided to start paying my tithe's to the poor. Am i right? Or am making a very big mistake.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by motiond16(m): 12:18pm On Jan 13
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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by gratefulheart(m): 12:25pm On Jan 13
You are doing yourself not God or the Church or your pastor.

Tithe is different from giving to the poor scripturally.

Tithe is not negotiable though is a choice.

Giving to the poor is not giving to the beggars either but the widows, the less privilege in your community before you give to outside.

Giving to your parent is also important and there are 2 giving that avert curse tithe and giving to our parent. May God give you understanding.


Paulpeterparker:
I really hate to see pastor riding on private jets while the poor are suffering. So i have decided to start paying my tithe's to the poor. Am i right? Or am making a very big mistake.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by Nobody: 1:07pm On Jan 13
Tithe is not for God either. No one asked Christians to tithe. If you tithe, you are not a Christian.

@Paulpeterparker if you want to give to anyone, give cheerfully. Do not withhold good from anyone asking. There is no Bible injunction that commands Christians to tithe.

Jesus said that if you do it to the least of his sheep, you do it for him.

Do not let any man instill fear in your heart to cajole you into something that is out of the law that Christ gave to Christians.
gratefulheart:
You are doing yourself not God or the Church or your pastor.

Tithe is different from giving to the poor scripturally.

Tithe is not negotiable though is a choice.

Giving to the poor is not giving to the beggars either but the widows, the less privilege in your community before you give to outside.

Giving to your parent is also important and there are 2 giving that avert curse tithe and giving to our parent. May God give you understanding.


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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by Nobody: 4:44pm On Jan 13
Paulpeterparker:
I really hate to see pastor riding on private jets while the poor are suffering. So i have decided to start paying my tithe's to the poor. Am i right? Or am making a very big mistake.
My dear don't assume that your tithe given to the poor is tithe. No matter how you see, that is not tithe instead it is seed. The day of judgment is fast approaching. Pastors will judged squarely for their actions so just leave them. It is only on earth that everyone has the opportunity to either behave well or abnormal. Once you cross over to the other side, there is no mercy. Everything will be revealed for you to see. Don't be moved by some satanic group asking you to pay your tithe to the poor because they will deny you on judgment day.( from experience)

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by Nobody: 8:06pm On Jan 13
Paulpeterparker:
I really hate to see pastor riding on private jets while the poor are suffering. So i have decided to start paying my tithe's to the poor. Am i right? Or am making a very big mistake.
1) which church do you attend?

Pastors riding private jet is not an excuse to not giving to Church. There are more churches without jets than there are those with in Nigeria. And many are not even planning to buy one ever e.g Baptist, Methodist, Daystar, ECWA, Anglican, Apostolic faith, CAC, Methodist, FourSquare etc.

2) Giving to the poor NEVER absolves you the responsibility of giving to church

As long as you are a Christian you have the responsibility to fund your church as all of us do because if we all Christian take your step of giving to poor then there would be no more Church-Whether you belief in Tithing or not, arrange a worthy sum of your income and head to a ministry that suits you like the Orthodox and pay your dues. Then also set aside something good enough for those in need or are poor around you.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by DikeDiMighty: 8:13pm On Jan 13
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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 8:34pm On Jan 13
asuustrike2009:

My dear don't assume that your tithe given to the poor is tithe. No matter how you see, that is not tithe instead it is seed. The day of judgment is fast approaching. Pastors will judged squarely for their actions so just leave them. It is only on earth that everyone has the opportunity to either behave well or abnormal. Once you cross over to the other side, there is no mercy. Everything will be revealed for you to see. Don't be moved by some satanic group asking you to pay your tithe to the poor because they will deny you on judgment day.( from experience)

Bros...tithing has no place in Christianity;

Only the Israelites were under the obligation to tithe. Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus tell His followers to tithe. Jesus has told us what to do on how to give in Matthew 25 v 31-46 . I'll put Acts 15 here for us to discuss. Events that occurred in Malachi, Deuteronomy and Matthew 23 v 23 happened at a time when Jesus had not died to fulfill the requirements of the Law...unless you're implying that Jesus has not fully fulfilled the requirements of the Law.

By the way...10% of monetary income is not God's definition of tithe

Worshiping God does not mean you should detach your brain and throw it away. God cannot give you a brain and tell you not to use it because you are worshiping Him. That is blind faith (zero insight) and religiousity...

The funny picture below is dedicated to our diligent Pastorpreneurs and their lapdogs who are working hard round the clock to twist a straightforward truth

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 8:35pm On Jan 13
1599 Geneva Bible

Acts 15

1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question.

3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them.

5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.

6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter.

7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe.

8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us.

9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts.

10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear?


11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.

13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me.

14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name.

15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up.

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things.

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day.

22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren,

23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.

26 Men that have given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.

29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

30 Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle,

31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation.

32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them.

33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace of the brethren unto the Apostles.

34 Notwithstanding Silas thought good to abide there still.

35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others the word of the Lord.

36 But after certain days, Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us return and visit our brethren in every city, where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

37 And Barnabas counseled to take with them John, called Mark.

38 But Paul thought it not meet to take him unto their company, which departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

39 Then were they so stirred, that they departed asunder one from the other, so that Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus.

40 And Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended of the brethren unto the grace of God.

41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, establishing the Churches.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 8:37pm On Jan 13
asuustrike2009:

My dear don't assume that your tithe given to the poor is tithe. No matter how you see, that is not tithe instead it is seed. The day of judgment is fast approaching. Pastors will judged squarely for their actions so just leave them. It is only on earth that everyone has the opportunity to either behave well or abnormal. Once you cross over to the other side, there is no mercy. Everything will be revealed for you to see. Don't be moved by some satanic group asking you to pay your tithe to the poor because they will deny you on judgment day.( from experience)

Carefully read Acts 15 and also read the following verses in context (which I've bolded): 1,5,9,10,20,28,29

The Apostles clearly told the Gentile Christians what is needed for them to be Christians in verse 10,20,28,29. And tithing is not part of the requirements.


Having seen this, please why are the Pastors preaching that non-tithers would be under the devourer's curse for not paying their tithes?

By the way...God Almighty never instructed tithes to be paid using gold, silver or money. The objects to be tithed were clearly stated in Deuteronomy 14 v 23. Who then is the church obeying by paying and receiving tithes monetarily? Do these Pastors now know more than God who gave these instructions?

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by Nobody: 8:41pm On Jan 13
OkCornel:


Bros...tithing has no place in Christianity;

Only the Israelites were under the obligation to tithe. Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus tell His followers to tithe. Jesus has told us what to do on how to give in Matthew 25 v 31-46 . I'll put Acts 15 here for us to discuss. Events that occurred in Malachi, Deuteronomy and Matthew 23 v 23 happened at a time when Jesus had not died to fulfill the requirements of the Law...unless you're implying that Jesus has not fully fulfilled the requirements of the Law.

By the way...10% of monetary income is not God's definition of tithe
Even if I quote 30 verses of Bible supporting tithing you would still complain. Don't pay tithe and end up in hell. God doesn't tolerant thieves ( mal 3:8-10, 1 cor 6:9-10)

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by Nobody: 8:49pm On Jan 13
My dear don't be marvelled about some satanic group asking to pay tithe to the poor because of what pastors are doing. The scripture can not be broken. God's standard will not change because of man. Do you part by paying your tithe to him. Am being real because it is the truth. We are in perilos time, satan want people to go to hell. He is very clever as he wants you to join.The voice of God is calm, he tells you the truth and gives you choices while satan fight tooth and nail by using twisted scriptures.Many Lucifer agents have being quoting bible verses to antagonize tithing. Don't be marvelled because even Satan quoted the bible to tempt Jesus.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 8:56pm On Jan 13
asuustrike2009:

Even if I quote 30 verses of Bible supporting tithing you would still complain. Don't pay tithe and end up in hell. God doesn't tolerant thieves ( mal 3:8-10, 1 cor 6:9-10)

Feel free to quote them...so they can be interpreted in the right perspective by anyone following this thread...

Per the bolded in your message

Jesus clearly states in Matthew 25 v 31-46 what would take someone to Heaven as a Sheep or to Hell as a goat. And tithing isn't part of it.

The early church never preached anything on compulsory giving...neither did they demand tithes from the Christians like the Apostles clearly stated in Acts 15.

I'll put Matthew 25 v 31-46 for everyone here to read.

By the way...since you insist that tithing is valid, how do you pay your tithes? is it in line with God's instructions in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29?

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by fcmacdon: 8:59pm On Jan 13
Why is it that we disobey the law of Sabbath in Exodus 20:8-10 and hold on to the law of tithe in Malachi 3:7-10.

I pity some christians. they don't read their Bibles. Some are talking about Abraham paying is tithe to Melchisedec. Abraham never paid tithe of his income or work to Melchisedec but the spoil ( what he collected from the people he fought).

The message we should preach is 2Cor. 9:7 give [7] Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

As a Christian I believe we can give to support he work of God but not telling people if they didn't pay their tithe they are cursed.

1Cor. 16:1-
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [2] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Jesus never collected tithe so also the Apostle, but encouraged to give for the work.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 9:02pm On Jan 13
asuustrike2009:

Even if I quote 30 verses of Bible supporting tithing you would still complain. Don't pay tithe and end up in hell. God doesn't tolerant thieves ( mal 3:8-10, 1 cor 6:9-10)

1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
Matthew 25:31-46


The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.

32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?

39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me
.’


41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”



I have checked these verses...and it doesn't state that God would check anyone's tithe payment records...rather, your LOVE for God expressed through charitable courses to Humanity (with a good motive - i.e. giving glory to God and showing the unconditional love of Jesus) is what qualifies you for the Kingdom of Heaven.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 9:06pm On Jan 13
asuustrike2009:

Even if I quote 30 verses of Bible supporting tithing you would still complain. Don't pay tithe and end up in hell. God doesn't tolerant thieves ( mal 3:8-10, 1 cor 6:9-10)

If you insist on tithing... let me refresh your memory on how the Jews tithed after God gave them the Law through Moses;

Tithes in Judaism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Tithing in the Temple
The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor. Every year, Bikkurim, Terumah, Ma'aser Rishon and Terumat Ma'aser were separated from the grain, wine and oil (Deuteronomy 14:22). Initially, the commandment to separate tithes from one's produce only applied when the entire nation of Israel had settled in the Land of Israel. The Returnees from the Babylonian exile who had resettled the country were a Jewish minority, and who, although they were not obligated to tithe their produce, put themselves under a voluntary bind to do so, and which practice became obligatory upon all.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 9:07pm On Jan 13
Terumah (Heave-offering)
The first obligation that was incumbent upon an Israelite or Jew was to separate from his harvested grain (wheat, barley, spelt, etc.), wine (including unpressed grapes) and oil (including unpressed olives) the one-fiftieth portion of these products (or one-fortieth, if he were a man of generosity; and one-sixtieth if he were stingy) and to give the same to a man of Aaron's lineage (priestly stock), who, in turn, would eat such fruits in a state of ritual cleanness, in accordance with a biblical command, "...and let him not eat of the holy things, until he bathes his flesh in water. And when the sun goes down down, he will be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things because it is his food" (Leviticus 22:6). This obligation was contingent upon the fact that such fruits grew in the Land of Israel. Later, the Rabbis made it an obligation to do the same for all fruits and vegetables grown in the Land of Israel, and not only to such fruits as grain, grapes and olives. With the destruction of the Temple and the cessation of ritual purity, the obligation to separate the Terumah continued unabated, although it was no longer given to a priest of Aaron's lineage, since bodily defilement was now pervasive. The general practice after the Temple's destruction was to separate the Terumah from all fruits and vegetables by removing even the slightest portion thereof, and to immediately discard it by burial or some other means of disposal (since it can no longer be eaten in the current state of ritual uncleanness, and those doing so would make themselves liable to extirpation).

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 9:07pm On Jan 13
First tithe
The first tithe is giving of one tenth of the remaining agricultural produce (after removing from the produce the standard Terumah) to the Levite (or Aaronic priests). Historically, during the First Temple period, the first tithe was given to the Levites. Approximately at the beginning of the Second Temple construction, Ezra and his Beth din implemented its giving to the kohanim.

The Levites, also known as the Tribe of Levi, were descendants of Levi. They were assistants to the Aaronic priests (who were the children of Aaron and, therefore, a subset of the Tribe of Levi) and did not own or inherit a territorial patrimony (Numbers 18:21-28). Their function in society was that of temple functionaries, teachers and trusted civil servants who supervised the weights and scales and witnessed agreements. The goods donated from the other Israeli tribes were their source of sustenance. They received from "all Israel" a tithe of food or livestock for support, and in turn would set aside a tenth portion of that tithe (known as the Terumat hamaaser) for the Aaronic priests.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 9:07pm On Jan 13
Second tithe

Unlike other offerings which were restricted to consumption within the tabernacle, the second tithe could be consumed anywhere within the Walls of Jerusalem. On years one, two, four and five of the Shemittah-cycle, God commanded the Children of Israel to take a second tithe that was to be brought to the place of the Temple (Deuteronomy 14:23). The owner of the produce was to separate and bring 1/10 of his finished produce to the Old City of Jerusalem, after separating Terumah and the first tithe, but if the family lived too far from Jerusalem, the tithe could be redeemed upon coins (Deuteronomy 14:24-25). Then, the Bible required the owner of the redeemed coins to spend the tithe "to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish" (Deuteronomy 14:26). Implicit in the commandment was an obligation to spend the coins on items meant for human consumption.

Poor man's tithe
In years three and six of the Shemittah-cycle the Israelites set aside the (second) tithe instead as the poor tithe, and it was given to the strangers, orphans, and widows.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 9:08pm On Jan 13
Terumat maaser

Terumat hamaaser was given by the Levite to the Kohen, and was one-tenth of what the Levite had received of the First-tithe. It is alluded to in the Hebrew Bible under the words, "a tithe (tenth) of the tithe" (Numbers 18:26). It, too, was considered Terumah, and was eaten by priests in a state of ritual cleanness. Today, the Terumat maaser is discarded because of general uncleanness, just as the Terumah is now discarded.

Demai

Demai (Mishnaic Hebrew: דמאי) is a Halakhic term meaning "dubious," referring to agricultural produce, the owner of which was not trusted with regard to the correct separation of the tithes assigned to the Levites, although the terumah (the part designated unto priests) was believed to have been separated from such fruits. In such "dubious" cases, all that was necessary was to separate the one-tenth portion due to the priests from the First Tithe given to the Levites, being the 1/100th part of the whole. The Second Tithe is also removed (redeemed) from the fruit in such cases of doubt.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 9:10pm On Jan 13
Places that require tithing
The criterion for determining what places require the tithing of produce is any place within the country that was held by the Returnees from the Babylonian exile, as defined in the "Baraita of the Boundaries" of the Land of Israel;although today the land might be held by a different entity, or else worked by non-Jews, produce grown in those places would still require the separation of tithes when they come into the hand of an Israelite or Jew.

Tithes are broken-off during the Sabbatical year (such as when the ground lies fallow), during which year, all fruits, grains and vegetables that are grown of themselves in that year are considered free and ownerless property. For example, whatever lands were held by those returning from the Babylonian exile at the time of Ezra are forbidden to be ploughed and sown by any Jew during the Seventh year, and even if gentiles were to plough such land and sow it, the produce would be forbidden unto Jews to eat. On the other hand, the extension of such lands held by the people of Israel who departed Egypt and who entered the Land of Canaan under their leader, Joshua, are forbidden to be ploughed by any Jew during the Seventh year, but if gentiles had ploughed such land and sown it, the produce is permitted to be eaten by a Jew. If on a regular week-year, fruits and grains and vegetables, if grown by an Israelite in these places, would require tithing.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 9:11pm On Jan 13
asuustrike2009:

Even if I quote 30 verses of Bible supporting tithing you would still complain. Don't pay tithe and end up in hell. God doesn't tolerant thieves ( mal 3:8-10, 1 cor 6:9-10)

Cattle tithe
An additional tithe mentioned in the Book of Leviticus (27:32-33) is the cattle tithe, which is to be sacrificed as a korban at the Temple in Jerusalem.

Ma'aser kesafim
Ma'aser kesafim is a tithe that Jews give to charity (tzedakah), something that is done on a voluntary basis, as this practice has not been regulated in Jewish codes of law.




HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THESE...I'M STILL AT A LOSS AS TO WHERE THE CHURCH GOT IT'S DOCTRINE OF OBLIGATORY MONETARY TITHING FROM


IF GOD HAS CLEARLY INSTRUCTED WHAT SHOULD BE TITHED, WHY DISOBEY GOD TO FOLLOW THE DOCTRINES OF GREEDY MEN?

asuustrike2009...is this how you pay your tithes?

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by fcmacdon: 9:13pm On Jan 13
OkCornel:


If you insist on tithing... let me refresh your memory on how the Jews tithed after God gave them the Law through Moses;

Tithes in Judaism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Tithing in the Temple
The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor. Every year, Bikkurim, Terumah, Ma'aser Rishon and Terumat Ma'aser were separated from the grain, wine and oil (Deuteronomy 14:22). Initially, the commandment to separate tithes from one's produce only applied when the entire nation of Israel had settled in the Land of Israel. The Returnees from the Babylonian exile who had resettled the country were a Jewish minority, and who, although they were not obligated to tithe their produce, put themselves under a voluntary bind to do so, and which practice became obligatory upon all.


Thank you.

If we are to pay tithe we are not even paying it correctly presently. we pray that God will one day open our eyes. people don't read their Bibles to understand it.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by fcmacdon: 9:14pm On Jan 13
OkCornel:


If you insist on tithing... let me refresh your memory on how the Jews tithed after God gave them the Law through Moses;

Tithes in Judaism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Tithing in the Temple
The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor. Every year, Bikkurim, Terumah, Ma'aser Rishon and Terumat Ma'aser were separated from the grain, wine and oil (Deuteronomy 14:22). Initially, the commandment to separate tithes from one's produce only applied when the entire nation of Israel had settled in the Land of Israel. The Returnees from the Babylonian exile who had resettled the country were a Jewish minority, and who, although they were not obligated to tithe their produce, put themselves under a voluntary bind to do so, and which practice became obligatory upon all.


Thank you.

If we are to pay tithe we are not even paying it correctly presently. we pray that God will one day open our eyes. people don't read their Bibles to understand it.


A day is coming, some people will thank Freeze.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by Nobody: 9:27pm On Jan 13
OkCornel:


Cattle tithe
An additional tithe mentioned in the Book of Leviticus (27:32-33) is the cattle tithe, which is to be sacrificed as a korban at the Temple in Jerusalem.

Ma'aser kesafim
Ma'aser kesafim is a tithe that Jews give to charity (tzedakah), something that is done on a voluntary basis, as this practice has not been regulated in Jewish codes of law.




HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THESE...I'M STILL AT A LOSS AS TO WHERE THE CHURCH GOT IT'S DOCTRINE OF OBLIGATORY MONETARY TITHING FROM


IF GOD HAS CLEARLY INSTRUCTED WHAT SHOULD BE TITHED, WHY DISOBEY GOD TO FOLLOW THE DOCTRINES OF GREEDY MEN?

asuustrike2009...is this how you pay you tithes?
There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.
God would judged based on his word not what you think. If you don't pay tithe forget about making heaven because God doesn't harbour thieves. God is not moved by sentiment,.Lucifer himself would quote the bible verse I gave to you. No matter how you try to justify against tithing by study literature in bible instead of studying in spirit, the word of God can't change.
Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 2:16am On Jan 14
asuustrike2009:

There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.
God would judged based on his word not what you think. If you don't pay tithe forget about making heaven because God doesn't harbour thieves. God is not moved by sentiment,.Lucifer himself would quote the bible verse I gave to you. No matter how you try to justify against tithing by study literature in bible instead of studying in spirit, the word of God can't change.

The bolded is exactly why I'm quoting those bible verses for you.

To show you the way that seems right may not be right after all.

Judging by God's instructions in the Bible...monetary tithing is unscriptural both in the old and new testament.

Not only that, based on historic evidence of tithing in Jewish history...it is unrealistic to practice tithing the way God instructed it...unless you want to do in a manner God never instructed you to...

Judging by the requirements of the new covenant, tithing is unscriptural in Christianity. It is only necessary for those who are hell bent on practicing Judaism in the church and deceiving everyone else...like the trouble makers in Acts 15

The Devil knows the TRUTH...and he twists it by adding a few lies to suit his selfish desires...

Let me ask you these questions;

1) As per Deuteronomy 14 v 23. Eating your tithe and sharing it with the needy is scriptural, has your Pastor preached this to you?
2) If you are a pastor, will you collect tithes from a theiving and corrupt politician whilst praying for Abrahamic blessings on the giver whereas...the bible clearly states "the curse of the Lord is in the house of a thief" ?

I need your honest answers to these

I have told you times without number that I am not against giving...I'm only against preaching and propagation of false doctrines.

Traditions borne from false doctrines may be practised over a 1,000 years...but it never makes it the TRUTH.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 2:20am On Jan 14
fcmacdon:



Thank you.

If we are to pay tithe we are not even paying it correctly presently. we pray that God will one day open our eyes. people don't read their Bibles to understand it.


A day is coming, some people will thank Freeze.

My brother...I'm not even a supporter of Freeze...I just want to stick to the TRUTH.

So many people are so full of knowledge with little understanding to show for it. Excess knowledge with little or no understanding is the perfect mixture for confusion and insanity.

May God grant us understanding...Amen

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 2:29am On Jan 14
asuustrike2009:
My dear don't be marvelled about some satanic group asking to pay tithe to the poor because of what pastors are doing. The scripture can not be broken. God's standard will not change because of man. Do you part by paying your tithe to him. Am being real because it is the truth. We are in perilos time, satan want people to go to hell. He is very clever as he wants you to join.The voice of God is calm, he tells you the truth and gives you choices while satan fight tooth and nail by using twisted scriptures.Many Lucifer agents have being quoting bible verses to antagonize tithing. Don't be marvelled because even Satan quoted the bible to tempt Jesus.

Even Jesus had to know and quote the word of God (note there was nothing called Bible when Jesus was alive...the written word of God was called the Torah back then) to counter the temptation of the Devil...

Jesus wasn't just shouting at the Devil with empty words. He also used the word of God to counter the Devil.

If you don't know and understand the Bible...you'll be deceived by anyone easily...

In all honesty...read your Bible, tithing has no place in Christianity...even the Apostles attested to this in Acts 15.

But if you insist tithing is valid in Christianity...then

1) Use the word of God to show us where Jesus and the Early Apostles taught the followers of Christ that tithing is important in accessing God's blessings in the new covenant. And please do this by ensuring you are not mistaking Judaism (Old covenant requirements) for Christianity (new covenant lifestyle).

2) Tell us how you've been obeying God's instruction on tithing in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 via how you pay your tithe.


Answer these questions of mine so we know you "understand" the word of God like Jesus did...

Excess knowledge + little or no understanding = confusion and ignorance

Cheers

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by Pavore9: 5:12am On Jan 14
asuustrike2009:

Even if I quote 30 verses of Bible supporting tithing you would still complain. Don't pay tithe and end up in hell. God doesn't tolerant thieves ( mal 3:8-10, 1 cor 6:9-10)

Being threatened with hell for not paying tithe is so amusing! Those that brought Christianity to Africa did not harass the converts for tithe and am so happy that you noted God does not tolerate thieves, He starts with thieves on the Altar.

Christian identity is not tied to tithing as some Churches wants us to believe.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by OkCornel(m): 5:27am On Jan 14
Pavore9:


Being threatened with hell for not paying tithe is so amusing! Those that brought Christianity to Africa did not harass the converts for tithe and am so happy that you noted God does not tolerate thieves, He starts with thieves on the Altar.

Christian identity is not tied to tithing as some Churches wants us to believe.

For this tithing issue to be a successful scam in this side of the world...it shows that despite holding and reading their Bibles for a better part of their lives...most Nigerians and Africans still don't understand the difference between Judaism and Christianity...so out of confusion and fear for hell...they practice what I call Judeo-Christianity (combination of Judaism & Christianity)...

Ignorance is indeed a terrible mental disease...

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by luvmijeje(f): 6:25am On Jan 14
Are you being led by God to do it? Your giving should be in obedience to God. And not by fear of what someone wants to do with your money.

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Re: I Want To Start Paying My Tithes To The Poor. Is Any Thing Wrong With That? by Nobody: 7:59am On Jan 14
Pavore9:


Being threatened with hell for not paying tithe is so amusing! Those that brought Christianity to Africa did not harass the converts for tithe and am so happy that you noted God does not tolerate thieves, He starts with thieves on the Altar.

Christian identity is not tied to tithing as some Churches wants us to believe.
It is not threat but it the reality. There is no need sugar coating it

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