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tctrills:
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It's not written that they knew what we know today but I don't do guesswork. I can't tell if they knew as much as we do or not but it does not matter.
The bible teaches,
Isaiah 28:10
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10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
God did not give all his truths at once. Even we still do not know everything.
Paul wrote
1 Corinthians 13:12

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
God's works are not done and his revelations are not over. It here a little and there a little.

Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses. And through his name, and by our faith in his name, this man whom you see and know has been made strong. The faith that is through him has made this man completely healthy in front of all of you. And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers also did. But in this way God has fulfilled the things he announced beforehand through the mouth of all the prophet


Because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath that he would seat one of his offspring on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in the Grave nor did his flesh see corruption. God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.


I believe the Christians of today are equally preaching the resurrection of Jesus Christ and believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ like David

Evidence are there that the Jews rejected the Christ due to their religious leaders who they were afraid of and the fact their religious leaders afraid that their authority will be taken away killed Jesus Christ to retain the status.

So the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the council and said, “What are we to do? For this man performs many signs. If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.” But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all. Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish.” He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad. So from that day on they made plans to put him to death.

achorladey:
Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses. And through his name, and by our faith in his name, this man whom you see and know has been made strong. The faith that is through him has made this man completely healthy in front of all of you. And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers also did. But in this way God has fulfilled the things he announced beforehand through the mouth of all the prophet


Because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath that he would seat one of his offspring on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in the Grave nor did his flesh see corruption. God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.


I believe the Christians of today are equally preaching the resurrection of Jesus Christ and believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ like David

Dont mind them. The foundation of Christianity is the believe that Jesus died for our sins and is resurrected. That's what everyone we call christians have in common

tctrills:
Oga you have finally agreed with me without knowing. Both he that has a partial knowledge or he that thinks he knows everything are all Christians.
Let me ask you a hypothetical question.
Imagine the Ethiopian eunuch died immediately after his baptism, at that time, he knows extremely little about the gospel of Jesus Christ which he just accepted,does he not qualify as a Christian.
Honestly you have made my point.

You know he has to defend his doctrine about all these things. I need to show you a picture and I will like you to explain what is going on in that picture.

Are you ready for it?

@ tctrills.....

What do you think is going on here?

tctrills:
Imagine the Ethiopian eunuch died immediately after his baptism, at that time, he knows extremely little about the gospel of Jesus Christ which he just accepted,does he not qualify as a Christian.
Honestly you have made my point.

They had no knowledge about Jesus what they had was prophecies about the Christ and until they learn about his words, thoughts and actions they are not Christians!

In what name does the Ethiopian Eunuch baptized?
What name did Abraham and the rest knew as the name of God's Son since Christians should be baptized in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? Matthew 28:19

MaxInDHouse:
Of course only those who walked with Jesus and those who later learned from them can have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE about the Christ all those that lived before Jesus only had partial knowledge because they got prophecies they can't fully understand not to talk of practice what the Christ will teach.

So they are not Christians!

Even those who walked with Jesus didn't have accurate knowledge about Jesus Christ. Jesus had to send the Holy Spirit in that regard to remind them and teach them regarding that. Paul admit they see through hazy mirror.

Shooting yourself in the foot on your own point. Rather than show us differences they share common denominator

MaxInDHouse:
They had no knowledge about Jesus what they had was prophecies about the Christ and until they learn about his words, thoughts and actions they are not Christians!

In what name does the Ethiopian Eunuch baptized?
What name did Abraham and the rest knew as the name of God's Son since Christians should be baptized in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? Matthew 28:19

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They had no knowledge about Jesus what they had was prophecies about the Christ and until they learn about his words, thoughts and actions they are not Christians!

This one don't know prophecies connote knowledge

MaxInDHouse:
They had no knowledge about Jesus what they had was prophecies about the Christ and until they learn about his words, thoughts and actions they are not Christians!

In what name does the Ethiopian Eunuch baptized?
What name did Abraham and the rest knew as the name of God's Son since Christians should be baptized in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? Matthew 28:19

You have an English problem, what are prophecies? Prophecy is God's way of giving us knowledge. Or do you think the prophecy was for fun.
Again you just agreed that they had partial knowledge in your very last post so what changed.
Now let's talk about baptism.

19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
In this verse, even those baptized in the name of John are called disciples.
I hope you get that.
So as usual, you have no point.

achorladey:
@ tctrills.....

What do you think is going on here?

Lol please tell me

tctrills:
Lol please tell me

What did you see in those pictures?

achorladey:
What did you see in those pictures?

It looked like jw preaching . But then who are they preaching to?

tctrills:
You have an English problem, what are prophecies? Prophecy is God's way of giving us knowledge. Or do you think the prophecy was for fun.
Again you just agreed that they had partial knowledge in your very last post so what changed.
Now let's talk about baptism.
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
In this verse, even those baptized in the name of John are called disciples.
I hope you get that.
So as usual, you have no point.

Prophesies about the Christ totally differs from meeting the Christ in person or learning from those TRAINED by the Christ.

For your information John the baptist saw and grew up as Jesus' cousin but it's until he baptized Jesus he never knew that his cousin is the promised Christ yet after John was imprisoned he began having doubts feeling maybe Jesus isn't the expected Christ after all! Matthew 11:2-3

Of course John the baptist was never a Christian because he didn't follow nor practice what Jesus taught despite being the most favored of all the prophets! Matthew 11:11-12

So prophecies or being a prophet doesn't automatically makes someone a Christian!

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=131806624]Prophesies about the Christ totally differs from meeting the Christ in person or learning from those TRAINED by the Christ.

For your information John the baptist saw and grew up as Jesus' cousin but it's until he baptized Jesus he never knew that his cousin is the promised Christ yet after John was imprisoned he began having doubts feeling maybe Jesus isn't the expected Christ after all! Matthew 11:2-3
Again, you have no point. Yes there are some differences between those who learnt by prophecy and those who learnt directly but to say that there is no knowledge in prophecy show you don't know what you are talking about.
Now you give another unnecessary example.
Let me tell you, if Jesus walks into your church today, there are many that wouldn't know who he is so what is your point?

Of course John the baptist was never a Christian because he didn't follow nor practice what Jesus taught despite being the most favored of all the prophets! Matthew 11:11-12

So prophecies or being a prophet doesn't automatically makes someone a Christian! :

Again just because you say he wasn't a Christian does not make it so. As I said, most christians would not recognize Jesus in person if he visited their churches today so what is your point about John exactly?

tctrills:
It looked like jw preaching . But then who are they preaching to?

Picture one

You will some dressed in the modern attire and one dressed in attire that looks like animal fur used in making clothes.

You will see the instructor standing in front of them with a board having an image, the image Nebuchadnezzar saw in his dream. Picture it as Daniel being preached to and taught the interpretation of that dream based on the interpretation of Watchtower today and possibly why he is part of those resurrected, Christianity as well.

The same dream God helped Daniel to interprete


Picture two......

looks more like a current Jehovah’s witness who is now resurrected and in paradise preaching and teaching a resurrected person that lived during the time of Abel, Noah, David and Co.

[quote author=tctrills post=131806763][/quote]That's how distorted their knowledge of things really are. Maybe he thinks those images in their publications scattered everywhere carries the image of Jesus Christ that when he shows up in the sky tomorrow, they will all point their fingers at him and say that person right their is Jesus Christ abi na Archangel Michael

Evidence of this is when they bought some houses around 1925 in San Diego USA expecting the resurrection of David, Daniel, Noah and Co that year 1925. You begin to imagine Abel will show up in USA when resurrected.

tctrills:
Again, you have no point. Yes there are some differences between those who learnt by prophecy and those who learnt directly but to say that there is no knowledge in prophecy show you don't know what you are talking about.
Now you give another unnecessary example.
Let me tell you, if Jesus walks into your church today, there are many that wouldn't know who he is so what is your point?
Again just because you say he wasn't a Christian does not make it so. As I said, most christians would not recognize Jesus in person if he visited their churches today so what is your point about John exactly?

Accurate knowledge about the Christ involves three things:

•Prophecies about the Christ:
Jesus' disciples who stick to him believed the prophecies about the Christ that's why they're able to recognize him out of many who were claiming they're the Christ in the first century.


•Who fulfilled the messianic prophecies:
There were many in the first century claiming they are the Christ but Jesus fulfilled prophecies pointing to the Christ. That's why his disciples started following to LEARN from him.


•And practicing what the Christ taught:
Many also followed Jesus after seeing the evidences that he is the Christ but later got tired and left him never to follow him again.

So being a Christian has much more than just knowing prophecies that's why the Ethiopian Eunuch couldn't understand what he was reading yet it was the prophecies about the Christ that he was reading, had it been Philip wasn't sent to explain to him he couldn't have had that he must be BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus for him to become a Christian!

MaxInDHouse:
Accurate knowledge about the Christ involves three things:

•Prophecies about the Christ:
Jesus' disciples who stick to him believed the prophecies about the Christ that's why they're able to recognize him out of many who were claiming they're the Christ in the first century.


•Who fulfilled the messianic prophecies:
There were many in the first century claiming they are the Christ but Jesus fulfilled prophecies pointing to the Christ. That's why his disciples started following to LEARN from him.


•And practicing what the Christ taught:
Many also followed Jesus after seeing the evidences that he is the Christ but later got tired and left him never to follow him again.

So being a Christian has much more than just knowing prophecies that's why the Ethiopian Eunuch couldn't understand what he was reading yet it was the prophecies about the Christ that he was reading, had it been Philip wasn't sent to explain to him he couldn't have had that he must be BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus for him to become a Christian!

Oga being a Christian does not involve having a perfect knowledge. Who taught you that one.
I already taught that God reveals himself little by little. Here a little and there a little. So again, you are wrong.
Christianity is a journey that begins with accepting Jesus Christ and ends in Salvation. At anywhere you are in the process, you are a Christian. A follower of Jesus Christ.
David was definitely a Christian

achorladey:
That's how distorted their knowledge of things really are. Maybe he thinks those images in their publications scattered everywhere carries the image of Jesus Christ that when he shows up in the sky tomorrow, they will all point their fingers at him and say that person right their is Jesus Christ abi na Archangel Michael

Evidence of this is when they bought some houses around 1925 in San Diego USA expecting the resurrection of David, Daniel, Noah and Co that year 1925. You begin to imagine Abel will show up in USA when resurrected.

They are a strange people

achorladey:
Picture one

You will some dressed in the modern attire and one dressed in attire that looks like animal fur used in making clothes.

You will see the instructor standing in front of them with a board having an image, the image Nebuchadnezzar saw in his dream. Picture it as Daniel being preached to and taught the interpretation of that dream based on the interpretation of Watchtower today and possibly why he is part of those resurrected, Christianity as well.

The same dream God helped Daniel to interprete


Picture two......

looks more like a current Jehovah’s witness who is now resurrected and in paradise preaching and teaching a resurrected person that lived during the time of Abel, Noah, David and Co.

They think so much of themselves

tctrills:
Oga being a Christian does not involve having a perfect knowledge. Who taught you that one.
I already taught that God reveals himself little by little. Here a little and there a little. So again, you are wrong.

Christians must have the knowledge of what Jesus of Nazareth taught, believe his teachings, ready to practice what Jesus taught, dedicate their lives to God and getting baptized in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Of course it doesn't mean they have perfect knowledge yet that's why the learning continues even after baptism! Matthew 28:20

So those who never knew Jesus of Nazareth or what he taught ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!

MaxInDHouse:
Christians must have the knowledge of what Jesus of Nazareth taught, believe his teachings, ready to practice what Jesus taught, dedicate their lives to God and getting baptized in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Of course it doesn't mean they have perfect knowledge yet that's why the learning continues even after baptism! Matthew 28:20

So those who never knew Jesus of Nazareth or what he taught ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!

Oga you are not the one to decide who is a Christian.
Let's leave it as everyone who believes in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. That is the foundation of Christianity.
Knowing everything in the bible is not the standard of being a Christian.
Again, let's agree to disagree unless you have another question or you have some new insight to share on this topic.
If not we can conclude

tctrills:
let's agree to disagree.
we can conclude

I have told you countless times that you and i can never ever agree or conclude whenever you come to quote me because i will use the full strength of God's word to back what i'm saying not just some conventional idea people welcome.

Christians are followers of Jesus so those who never knew Jesus or heard of what he commanded can't be Christians!

All servants of God from Abel till today are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES whether they served Him faithfully before Noah's time, Abraham's time, time of the Israelites, as Jews, as members of the way or as Christians but Christians are followers of Jesus of Nazareth the man who claimed he is the Christ!

tctrills:
They think so much of themselves

No doubt

tctrills:
Oga you are not the one to decide who is a Christian.
Let's leave it as everyone who believes in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. That is the foundation of Christianity.
Knowing everything in the bible is not the standard of being a Christian.
Again, let's agree to disagree unless you have another question or you have some new insight to share on this topic.
If not we can conclude

You can see how he is dancing and jumping from pillar to post to defend what even his own points can't defend.


He stated......

Accurate knowledge about the Christ involves three things:

After already saying those who saw Christ face to face have partial knowledge about Christ too

So being a Christian has much more than just knowing prophecies

When he got corrected that even in Prophecy there is knowledge about Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you countless times that you and i can never ever agree or conclude whenever you come to quote me because i will use the full strength of God's word to back what i'm saying not just some conventional idea people welcome.

Christians are followers of Jesus so those who never knew Jesus or heard of what he commanded can't be Christians!

I am waiting for you to back your words with the bible but so far you have not.
Christians are those who believe in the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
2. The law of Moses is a school master to lead men to Christ. All those who had the law of Moses definitely had some of his commandments
Now we are both beginning to repeat the same things. When you have new info on the topic, I will happily respond you. Cheers bro

achorladey:
You can see how he is dancing and jumping from pillar to post to defend what even his own points can't defend.


He stated......



After already saying those who saw Christ face to face have partial knowledge about Christ too



When he got corrected that even in Prophecy there is knowledge about Christ.

He keeps making up things as he goes

tctrills:
I am waiting for you to back your words with the bible but so far you have not.
Christians are those who believe in the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
2. The law of Moses is a school master to lead men to Christ. All those who had the law of Moses definitely had some of his commandments

I have quoted overwhelming scriptures but as usual you jumped into my thread without the knowledge of what is been discussed and when you found out that you goofed instead of apologizing you want me to path you on the back like those liars will do for you for agree to disagree.
NO!
Next time don't come for stupid arguments on my thread.
Only followers of Jesus are Christians.
They are PRACTICING what he taught not just people who heard about the Christ.
Judaists and Muslims heard about the Messiah through prophecies in the scriptures that does not automatically makes them Christians.

MaxInDHouse:
Prophesies about the Christ totally differs from meeting the Christ in person or learning from those TRAINED by the Christ.

For your information John the baptist saw and grew up as Jesus' cousin but it's until he baptized Jesus he never knew that his cousin is the promised Christ yet after John was imprisoned he began having doubts feeling maybe Jesus isn't the expected Christ after all! Matthew 11:2-3

Of course John the baptist was never a Christian because he didn't follow nor practice what Jesus taught despite being the most favored of all the prophets! Matthew 11:11-12

So prophecies or being a prophet doesn't automatically makes someone a Christian!

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Must run from pillar to post to defend manipulations

Prophesies about the Christ totally differs from meeting the Christ in person or learning from those TRAINED by the Christ.

From knowledge is not prophecy to the bold .

From your Jesus himself.....

Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me, have you believed? Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe."

tctrills:
He keeps making up things as he goes

At least you know his mode of operation here on nairaland.

He has to keep shifting the goal post or redefine terms to manipulate the point.

@ tctrills

You wonder how these one know about Jesus Christ


And look! there was a man in Jerusalem named Simʹe·on, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for Israel’s consolation, and holy spirit was upon him. Furthermore, it had been divinely revealed to him by the holy spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Christ of Jehovah. 27 Under the power of the spirit, he now came into the temple, and as the parents brought the young child Jesus in to do for him according to the customary practice of the Law, he took the child into his arms and praised God and said: “Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration, because my eyes have seen your means of salvation that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples, a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.” And the child’s father and mother continued wondering at the things being spoken about him. Also, Simʹe·on blessed them and said to Mary, the child’s mother: “Look! This child is appointed for the falling and the rising again of many in Israel and for a sign to be spoken against 35 (yes, a long sword will be run through you*), in order that the reasonings of many hearts may be revealed.”
36 Now there was a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanʹu·el, of Ashʹer’s tribe. This woman was well along in years and had lived with her husband for seven years after they were married, and she was a widow now 84 years old. She was never missing from the temple, rendering sacred service night and day with fasting and supplications. In that very hour she came near and began giving thanks to God and speaking about the child to all who were waiting for Jerusalem’s deliverance.

To him these ones don't know about Jesus Christ or believe in what he is coming to accomplish .

MaxInDHouse:
I have quoted overwhelming scriptures but as usual you jumped into my thread without the knowledge of what is been discussed and when you found out that you goofed instead of apologizing you want me to path you on the back like those liars will do for you for agree to disagree.
NO!
Next time don't come for stupid arguments on my thread.
Only followers of Jesus are Christians.
They are PRACTICING what he taught not just people who heard about the Christ.
Judaists and Muslims heard about the Messiah through prophecies in the scriptures that does not automatically makes them Christians.

When lies and manipulations cannot work, the next help is authority

Next time don't come for stupid arguments on my thread.

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When it dance to your tune, they are not stupid arguments.

Judaists and Muslims heard about the Messiah through prophecies in the scriptures that does not automatically makes them Christians

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Going round and round, then manipulating his own words and others