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tctrills:
Now for more evidence.
Gal 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

So I have showed you that your translation is false.
Now Paul did not need to say Jesus is the mediator of the old testament since he already said.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
The old testament doesn't need a special mediator and it's only your wrong translation that states that Moses was the mediator.
I think your problem is that you don't know the meaning of a mediator.
Let's start from that.
A mediator is
a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.
Oxford dictionary says, a person or an organization that tries to help reach an agreement or settlement to act as (mediator in the negotiations.
Moses did not have the power to mediate for the sins of David or Isaiah or Jeremiah 9r anyone in the old testament.

tctrills:
Good question now let me explain the bible to you.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one
Verse 16 makes it clear that Christ was the center of God's covenant with Abraham.
Verse 17 Abraham's covenant was confirmed in Christ.
Verse 18, Abraham did not live by the law but by his covenant/ promise in Christ.
Verse 19 says the law was there till the seed of whom the promise was made. The promise was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Do you get it now? It has nothing to do with Moses

Michael547:
Oga kindly state the name of your translation for transparency.

At the bolded is twisting Paul's words. Paul's words in that verse is laying emphasis on the law that was given. Not on the promise of a seed to come.

Below are other translations.

tctrills:
No he was not referring to the old testament.
He was referring to the seed to whom the promise was made (Christ)
Now if you claim Moses was the mediator of the old testament, was it also Moses that mediated for Abraham, Jacob, Abel, Enoch and others that came before him or do you have a third mediator?

Yes prophets stand between men and God but not as mediators. Moses did not have the power to reconcile man with God. Please check the meaning of a mediator.

tctrills:
You accuse me of twisting what was so clearly written? Let me quote it again,
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
It clearly says, till the seed (Christ) should come of whom the promise was made. The promise was Ordained by angels in the hand of the mediator (Christ) not Moses.
Still in Galatians 3.
This is what Paul wrote about Abraham's covenant or promise.
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Faith in Jesus Christ is the foundation of Abraham's promise from God.

Let me ask again, was Moses also the mediator of Abraham, Jacob, Abel Enoch and others that came before him or do we have a third mediator?

tctrills:
Commentaries written by who, fake pastors or true men of God?
It's clear that you depend on commentaries more than the very words of Christ. He said no one can access the Father without him and you are looking for commentaries that day otherwise. Haba

Michael547:
At the bolded, I have given you four translations that shows that it was the law that was ordained or appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. But you are twisting it agin and saying that it was the promise and not the law that was appointed.
Oga below is your King James version. Read it again.

tctrills:
Yes, 4 false translations. I have given you only one translation.
How do I know your translations are all wrong? Because the contradict the scriptures.
Please read this verse in your four translations and let's see what they say
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Pls post your 4 translations of this verse here

Michael547:
Oga you are not teachable....I have shown you nlt version and amplified version of the bible that nail your ideas as false and you are still shouting that everyone else is fake except you.

tctrills:
Oga you contradict both Paul and Jesus Christ and you accuse me of not being teachable because I choose to believe Paul and Jesus Christ and not you?
Sorry, I don't know how to trade me believe in Christ for a stranger on Nairaland.
Please read the words of Paul
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Now the words of Christ
John 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Please forgive me if I choose to believe Jesus Christ over you, I don't know you that well.

Michael547:
I don't know why I can't post pictures anymore. But the translations are on this thread.
Kindly explain Hebrews 8:16. Why is the new covenant a better one than the old covenant since Christ has always been a mediator between man and God.

Michael547:
Your teaching is false as exposed by this four translations of the Bible

Michael547:
Your teaching is false as exposed by this four translations of the Bible

tctrills:
You mean your four translations state that the follow are false right. Please copy and paste them
1.
John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
2.
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

If so, no wahala

tctrills:
You question here is not related to this topic and I will show you why.
If I ask you, since the new covenant is better, then why was there a Savior in the old testament, please answer
Isaiah 43:11
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Michael547:
Oga below are translations that prove you wrong in which your king James version does not contradict.
Your Interpretation of that verse is false.

tctrills:
It's clear you want to stick to false translations but you seem scared to quote
John 14.6 and 1 Timothy 2:5 from your translation because you know in your heart that your translations are false.
Hope you know that the truth is not a game of numbers.
Moses needed just one rod not four nor 7 to defeat the Egyptian false doctrines.
I only need one correct translation not 4 false ones

tctrills:
It's clear you want to stick to false translations but you seem scared to quote
John 14.6 and 1 Timothy 2:5 from your translation because you know in your heart that your translations are false.
Hope you know that the truth is not a game of numbers.
Moses needed just one rod not four nor 7 to defeat the Egyptian false doctrines.
I only need one correct translation not 4 false ones

Michael547:
Oga prove that those translations are fake...you said that there are hundreds of translations out there....but non of them have contradicted the translations I brought out.

Michael547:
Show me a translation that contradicts the ones I have showed you

tctrills:
But I did a thousand times already.
Here it is again
Kjv
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

tctrills:
Good question
Here is my proof.
The same Paul that wrote Galatians also wrote,
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
This is my proof.
It's either Paul is lying or your translations are all wrong. I choose to believe that your translations are incorrect, fake, false and wrong.
As it is written, let God be true, but every man a lia.
I prefer to believe that the word of God is correct and the criminals that made your translations are the liars not the other way round.
Do you get it now?

Michael547:
Oga show me the contradiction of the king James version with the other versions I showed you in Galatians 3:19

Michael547:
How does this translation contradicts the other translations.....explain.

tctrills:
Your versions claim Moses was their mediator. The Kjv does not say or imply so.

Michael547:
How do you come to that conclusion from the KJV? Where is the contradiction. Where does the KJV also contradict that it was the promise and not the law that was ordained or appointed by the hand of a mediator?

tctrills:
I don't get your question here. It's a very simple read that had nothing to do with Moses.
Extracts from it,
till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
This is how it ends no Moses as mediator

Michael547:
Lol....so because it omits Moses makes it a contradiction to about four translations?.....omission does not necessarily mean contradiction....show me a translation that uses Jesus in that verse instead of moses.

tctrills:
It omits Moses because it has nothing to do with Moses and it doesn't mention Jesus Christ because already, the bible tells you that Jesus Christ is the only mediator so even without mentioning his name, everyone should know. I wonder why it's so hard for you to get.
So let me break it down to you, in a way you can understand.
If at one point I say, Amaka is my only sister then at some other time I say my sister visited me, do I still need to tell you that it was Amaka that visited?
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
I really hope you get it now