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Flowing from the thread Will None Tithers Go To Hell? " IyfeNamikaze(m) says

"...The old testament translation of the word "The Lord" is different from the New testament translation of "Lord". The translators of the old testament scriptures used "The Lord" as a substitute for YHWH (YaHWeH) which is the holy name of God. They did this in order to preserve the holiness of God's name so as not to be used in vain...

If you have the goodnews bible or new translation bible you will notice that the word "THE LORD" are written in all caps. But in the new testament it is not written in caps but like this "The Lord" because it was no longer referring to YHWH but to Christ and is used as a title instead of a substitute for a holy name. I have a feeling that this uses of words in the bible is what's confusing you a bit..."

And i contest and state that whether written the LORD or the Lord, they still refer to the He Who is now known and called Christ Jesus as we clearly see in Revelations 1:8 snd other scriptures

IyfeNamikaze:
I .... You're picking one verse and adding interpretations onto it that is different from what that verse is saying. Just like you've done yet again in[b] Rev.1;8 But when one reads the whole chapter 1 it becomes clear that God and Christ are mentioned in the same sentence[/b] on 4 good occasion which means that it was talking about two Entities.

See how you deny Revelation 1 which clearly starts by saying
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants (john and co)

And in verse 8 and 18 it is clear that it is The Lord, Jesus, Talking, yet make it sound like God and Christ Spoke at the same time in that chapter.

Whereas, Verse 1 already shows that the message was first given to Christ before He gave it His servants like John and the apostles and prophets.

IyfeNamikaze:
But because you know that you're only just running in circles you've decided not to answer the questions that I asked because they would immediately reveal that Yahweh is Who told the prophets that HE will send a Messiah to them and it is made profoundly clear in Isaiah 42; 1-7 "Here is my servant, whom I strengthen—

See yourself. If you did not resort to denial you would have remembered that it was The LORD/Lord Who first told Moses which you see Revelations 1: 1 re affirms.

And it is still.The Same LORD/Lord Who stiil spoke to Isaiah here.

StillDtruth:
Flowing from the thread Will None Tithers Go To Hell? " IyfeNamikaze(m) says

"...The old testament translation of the word "The Lord" is different from the New testament translation of "Lord". The translators of the old testament scriptures used "The Lord" as a substitute for YHWH (YaHWeH) which is the holy name of God. They did this in order to preserve the holiness of God's name so as not to be used in vain...

If you have the goodnews bible or new translation bible you will notice that the word "THE LORD" are written in all caps. But in the new testament it is not written in caps but like this "The Lord" because it was no longer referring to YHWH but to Christ and is used as a title instead of a substitute for a holy name. I have a feeling that this uses of words in the bible is what's confusing you a bit..."

And i contest and state that whether written the LORD or the Lord, they still refer to the He Who is now known and called Christ Jesus as we clearly see in Revelations 1:8 snd other scriptures

So I will begin by Quoting a paragraph from the Goodnews bible Preface on translation.

"Following the ancient tradition, begun by the first translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek(the Septuagint) and followed by the vast majority of English translations, the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually transliterated Jehova or Yahweh) is in this translation represented by "The LORD ". When the Hebrew word Adonai, normally translated "Lord ", is followed by Yahweh, the combination is rendered by the phrase "Sovereign LORD".

The images below are from the KJVER( King James Easy Reading bible) and you can see that the underlined translation of LORD and God in smaller font are translated into its Hebrew translation as Jehova (LORD) and God (Elohim) .
One of the passage I uploaded as image is from Exodus when God was giving the Israelites the 10 commandments. This shows that the commandments came directly from Yahweh, God the Father.

IyfeNamikaze:
So I will begin by Quoting a paragraph from the Goodnews bible Preface on translation.

"Following the ancient tradition, begun by the first translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek(the Septuagint) and followed by the vast majority of English translations, the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually transliterated Jehova or Yahweh) is in this translation represented by "The LORD ". When the Hebrew word Adonai, normally translated "Lord ", is followed by Yahweh, the combination is rendered by the phrase "Sovereign LORD".

The images below are from the KJVER( King James Easy Reading bible) and you can see that the underlined translation of LORD and God in smaller font are translated into its Hebrew translation as Jehova (LORD) and God (Elohim) .
One of the passage I uploaded as image is from Exodus when God was giving the Israelites the 10 commandments. This shows that the commandments came directly from Yahweh, God the Father.

Sorry.

Because yahweh is polluted by the same canaan that The Lord warned them not to touch, i do not think this declaration by the goodnews bible people is correct.

I think this is one of the several perversions created to blur and hide the Pure uncorrupted Truth of God.

For God would never allow His Name to be polluted or corrupted which is why we see that from Genesis to Revelation we see The Name of The LORD is LORD/Lord!

And clearly the reason why the LORD is in capitals almost throughout the O.T is reflective of the fact that Christ was in His full Authority in heaven and had not yet visited the earth as mankind

But in N.T, it is the "Lord" indicative of His humble presence on earth.

This is quite obvious i think

StillDtruth:
Sorry.

Because yahweh is polluted by the same canaan that The Lord warned them not to touch, i do not think this declaration by the goodnews bible people is correct.

I think this is one of the several perversions created to blur and hide the Pure uncorrupted Truth of God.

For God would never allow His Name to be polluted or corrupted which is why we see that from Genesis to Revelation we see The Name of The LORD is LORD/Lord!

And clearly the reason why the LORD is in capitals almost throughout the O.T is reflective of the fact that Christ was in His full Authority in heaven and had not yet visited the earth as mankind

But in N.T, it is the "Lord" indicative of His humble presence on earth.

This is quite obvious i think

I knew I should have ended this argument with you a long time ago when I realised that you are terribly ignorant of what you are saying. I don't think you realise it but you have just blasphemed against the Holy name of God with this comment of yours.
Listen very well, there's never a pollution of That name in Canaan nọr in anywhere else for that matter and you're very wrong in all you've said here because

1. You're actually arguing against the very people who translated the very bible that you're reading, these people are qualified theological scholars who have superior knowledge of what they're doing . The goodnews bible is one of the most accepted translation of the bible in christiandom and an ignorant person like you is terribly unqualified to criticise the translation.

2. In case you don't know, the old testament was translated directly from the Hebrew manuscript which contains that name Yahweh. The Hebrew manuscript is the only source of the old testament translation in every version, in every language and the Holiness of that name is the most revered in Judaism.

3. Up till this very moment, Judaism still use the name Yahweh during worship because it is God's Holy name, the name He revealed to them in Mt Sinai.

The images that I have uploaded now are from the king James version KJV Bible, it incorporates the exact same translation method of the goodnews bible usage of the Lord and Yahweh. Next thing you will tell me is that the king James translators are wrong and only you, the most unqualified person, is right.

StillDtruth:
See how you deny Revelation 1 which clearly starts by saying
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants (john and co)

And in verse 8 and 18 it is clear that it is The Lord, Jesus, Talking, yet make it sound like God and Christ Spoke at the same time in that chapter.

Whereas, Verse 1 already shows that the message was first given to Christ before He gave it His servants like John and the apostles and prophets.

Honestly, arguing with people like you can be very draining and tiring because your comprehensive deficiency is an insurmountable obstacle that would always avail any logical thoughts and reason. At what point in my comment did I deny Revelation chapter 1? I only pointed out that the fact that God and Christ being mentioned in the same sentence is a clear indication that it was talking about Two Entities, God the Father and God the Son. How is a denial from me? It's even quite hypocritical of you to say that when it is you who have denied God's name just because you want to win an argument.

Yes God first gave it to Christ and Christ gave it to his servants, which are the Apostles

The Lord in Genesis is different from the Lord in revelation..

The Lord in genesis is the universal divine consciousness...

Nobody knows who the Lord in revelation is.....well most people see the entire new testament as theological fiction. Created by the catholic church to miss lead the feeble minded.

All we need to lead a good life has already been given in the Torah...

IyfeNamikaze:
Honestly, arguing with people like you can be very draining and tiring because your comprehensive deficiency is an insurmountable obstacle that would always avail any logical thoughts and reason. At what point in my comment did I deny Revelation chapter 1? I only pointed out that the fact that God and Christ being mentioned in the same sentence is a clear indication that it was talking about Two Entities, God the Father and God the Son. How is a denial from me? It's even quite hypocritical of you to say that when it is you who have denied God's name just because you want to win an argument.

Yes God first gave it to Christ and Christ gave it to his servants, which are the Apostles

Your position made you deny it for i have been pointing out since that the bible shows Christ The Lord being in control and therefore He is The One Who Speaks and mostly does the speaking .

Rarely does His Father Speak.

But you were.having great difficulty accepting this clear events which is why your response shows you in spirit rejecting Revelations 1.8 which led me to counter you by pointing Revelations 1:1 and 1:18.

So now you can see that as Christ Said in Mathew 28:18, everything has already been given to Him since by His Father.

And we can see, that it was not when He came to earth that His Father gave it to Him. His Father had already given it to Him before then.

So, the question is when did His Father give all these to Him and this is where you see the answers are in what people wrongly call "old testament".

StillDtruth:
Your position made you deny it for i have been pointing out since that the bible shows Christ The Lord being in control and therefore He is The One Who Speaks and mostly does the speaking .

Rarely does His Father Speak.

But you were.having great difficulty accepting this clear events which is why your response shows you in spirit rejecting Revelations 1.8 which led me to counter you by pointing Revelations 1:1 and 1:18.

So now you can see that as Christ Said in Mathew 28:18, everything has already been given to Him since by His Father.

And we can see, that it was not when He came to earth that His Father gave it to Him. His Father had already given it to Him before then.

So, the question is when did His Father give all these to Him and this is where you see the answers are in what people wrongly call "old testament".

. Suite yourself Oga. I've dropped direct bible verse that shows the Jehovah was speaking directly to the people of the old testament.
I've dropped translation interpretation by those who translated the bible. I can not do much more than that.
The word testament means to testify to something. The prophets are the Old testifiers and the Apostles are the new testifiers. I don't have time to waste with someone who blaspheme against the name of the Lord just to win an argument.
I will no longer continue with this argument with you because you are ignorant and lack understanding.

Have a good day.

IyfeNamikaze:
Listen very well, there's never a pollution of That name in Canaan nọr in anywhere else for that matter and you're very wrong in all you've said here..

Not even with the fact that it is said that Yahweh is a canaanite god?

The same Canaaan that the bible reported tha Isreal frolicked with and followed after their gods?

Google
It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant.22

IyfeNamikaze:
1. You're actually arguing against the very people who translated the very bible that you're reading, these people are qualified theological scholars who have superior knowledge of what they're doing .

Fallacy of it is true because he is a schorlar!

Are they not humans? The same people who we know can lie and peevert Truths? This is why it is a fallacy for everyone whether student or super scholar is entitiled to be reasonably queried.

Anyway, i did not challenge them, i merely pointed out a very clear obervation that from Genesis, even before Isreal and its language was formed, to Revelations, The Lord is the Name of The Lord and there is no pollution or perversion to this Name.

And that is what i am standing on.

IyfeNamikaze:
The goodnews bible is one of the most accepted translation of the bible in christiandom and an ignorant person like you is terribly unqualified to criticise the translation.

Fallacy argumentum ad populum.

IyfeNamikaze:
2. In case you don't know, the old testament was translated directly from the Hebrew manuscript which contains that name Yahweh. The Hebrew manuscript is the only source of the old testament translation in every version, in every language and the Holiness of that name is the most revered in Judaism.

3. Up till this very moment, Judaism still use the name Yahweh during worship because it is God's Holy name, the name He revealed to them in Mt Sinai.

Judaism is not a practice of obedience to God and His Commandment but a creation of the jews in their anti-Godism.

As we all see, the bible shows God complaining about Isreal and Judah's idolatry and practices which is clearly where Judahism comes from .

Jeremiah 3:7-11
With a few exceptions, notably Hezekiah and Josiah, the kings of Judah were more corrupt than their counterparts in the north. Israel set the pace into idolatry, and Judah enthusiastically followed. "Israel and Ephraim stumble in their iniquity; Judah also stumbles with them" (Hosea 5:5).

What is idolatry in Judah?
In Jeremiah 10, the prophet calls out Judah for their idolatry. They had begun adopting some false religious practices from neighboring Canaanite culture even to the point of worshiping literal idols made from wood or metal. See Canaan again.

Which is why every reasonable can see that judaism is not founded on the bible and God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Christ, His Son and why Judaism worshippers are not Christians nor worshippers of the True God.

IyfeNamikaze:
. Suite yourself Oga. I've dropped direct bible verse that shows the Jehovah was speaking directly to the people of the old testament.
I've dropped translation interpretation by those who translated the bible. I can not do much more than that.
The word testament means to testify to something. The prophets are the Old testifiers and the Apostles are the new testifiers. I don't have time to waste with someone who blaspheme against the name of the Lord just to win an argument.
I will no longer continue with this argument with you because you are ignorant and lack understanding.

Have a good day.

Now you have changed to Jehovah.

That aside, I have shown you the bible verses that show you thst Jesus Christ, The Son of The Most High, is The Same One Who Spoke to Abraham and Moses, and Who is calle the LORD in O.T.

So abuse me all you want but it is clear you prefer lies.

People swallow greedily any lie that flatters them but reject or sip only little by little at a truth they find bitter.' Dennis Diderot.