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Michael547:
Oga of your interpretation of Galatians 3:19 is correct, bring out a translation that contradicts mine. Simple as ABC.

How far?
I have told you that he's just a time waster!

Michael547:
Oga Hebrews 9:15 clearly explains that your verse.
Kindly show me a version that has Jesus in Galatians 3:19.

Ok let's read and see if Hebrews 9:15 says Jesus is not the only mediator
Hebrews 9:15
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

No it doesn't.
Does Hebrew 9.15 talk about an old testament mediator or an old covenant mediator? It doesn't.
Who even gave you the notion that the old testament or the old covenant needed a mediator.
Who was Abel's mediator?
Who was Abraham, Enoch, Joseph and even Job's mediator.
Oga you have put yourself in a lot of trouble here.

No verse in the bible explains your falsehood.
But 1 Timothy 2:5 explains that there is only one mediator this disproving your 3 fake translations

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

tctrills:
Ok let's read and see if Hebrews 9:15 says Jesus is not the only mediator
Hebrews 9:15
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

No it doesn't.
Does Hebrew 9.15 talk about an old testament mediator or an old covenant mediator? It doesn't.
Who even gave you the notion that the old testament or the old covenant needed a mediator.
Who was Abel's mediator?
Who was Abraham, Enoch, Joseph and even Job's mediator.
Oga you have put yourself in a lot of trouble here.

No verse in the bible explains your falsehood.
But 1 Timothy 2:5 explains that there is only one mediator this disproving your 3 fake translations

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Oga you should know that there must be an old covenant if there is a new one. Kindly show a translation that contradicts the ones I've shown you in Galatians 3:19?

MaxInDHouse:
How far?
I have told you that he's just a time waster!

He would get tired before me until he brings a contradictory translation.

Michael547:
Oga you should know that there must be an old covenant if there is a new one. Kindly show a translation that contradicts the ones I've shown you in Galatians 3:19?

What's your question here? Your translation was about Moses mine was not. If that is not a contradiction what is?
Secondly, the bible says there is only one mediator, if that is not contradictory to your fake translations , what is?
Now you brought a verse in Hebrew as your defense.
The verse speaks about the mediator of the new testament but it never said the old covenant had or needed a mediator.
Now to avoid continuous back and front, let's assume that Moses was the mediator of the old testament my question is, was Moses the mediator for Abel, Enoch, Joseph and Abraham?
Again are you saying that it was through Moses that the people of the old testament came to God? He was there way, truth and light?
So for argument sale, I have agreed that Moses was the mediator of the old testament so now I guess you can answer all my questions.

Michael547:
Oga you should know that there must be an old covenant if there is a new one. Kindly show a translation that contradicts the ones I've shown you in Galatians 3:19?

Please read my post above. It answers all your concerns but for the sake of unending argument let's agree that Moses was the mediator of the old testament. Now can we continue from there please.
Because we need to see if Moses was also the way, truth and light of the old testament and no one could come to the Father but by him in the old testament.
Also, we would see if there was a third mediator for those who lived before Moses.
So can we move on please?

MaxInDHouse:
The group name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" is not for Israelites but all faithful servants of God.
So according to a BORN AGAIN Christian called apostle Paul faithful people like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Joshua , Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, Deborah, Samuel ,David and many others are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
At your leisure you can read Hebrews 11:4-34
@ Hebrews 12:1 apostle Paul encouraged his fellow Christians to learn how to do faithful and loyal to Jehovah like these ancient servants of God.
So the name is for all faithful servants of God whether such ones happened to live in the time of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob or even Joseph and Mary they are all Jehovah's Witnesses.
Thank you!

lost false jw mad max

all the saved are witnesses of YHVH
no group is named "Jehovah's witnesses" by God as you lie and say
God said to the faithful israelites; "you are my witnesses", not; i name you Jehovah's witnesses

habital liars and the paranoid and blasphemers etc. are not witnesses of YHVH

MaxInDHouse:
All faithful and loyal servants of God are called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES by the true God! Isaiah 43:10 But out of these servants of God comes the only begotten Son of God whose name is Jesus he formed a group that will help all Jehovah's Witnesses to connect one another globally as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers these group was called CHRISTIANS in the first century but only those who are faithful and loyal to the true God among them are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES just as all descendants of Noah or descendants of Abraham or descendants of Jacob or descendants of David are faithful and loyal to the true God.
So in this last days Jehovah began calling His worshipers by this group name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" after pure worship has been adequately restored. This will separate them from rebellious humans who wants to claim they are all part of His worshipers, that's why it's difficult for anyone who's heart is not pure to feel comfortable being among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 35:8

lost false jw mad max

God didn't start calling and name your group Jehovah's witnesses in these last days
rutherford/a man, stated calling and name your group Jehovah's witnesses in 1931

you have no problem blaspheming the Holy Spirit, making Him out to be a liar
and here you are also lying against Jehovah (Yahovah YHVH)

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

johnw47:
all the saved are witnesses of YHVH

Not all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are saved yet because most of them don't practice what Jesus taught but they've been noticed by Jehovah who searches all hearts {2Chronicles 16:9} that's why they were declared righteous for surrendering to the righteousness of God.
Only BORN AGAIN Christians are saved for now because they will not be here on earth when Satan is released to test the inhabitants of the earth for the last time. Revelations 20:5-6

johnw47:
God didn't start calling and name your group Jehovah's witnesses in these last days
rutherford/a man, stated calling and name your group Jehovah's witnesses in 1931.

It's not that easy to know what God has declared such things are spiritual.
For instance when God declared some people righteous in the Bible did He made it public for all inhabitants of the earth or just within His worshipers?
So if you're not spiritual there are many things you will continue to argue about thinking you're fighting for a just course.
When Jehovah said:
"This is my Son with whom i am well pleased" Matthew 17:5

It was only three humans that were present at the event. Now imagine how millions living on the earth will feel hearing the witness of just three men who heard that statement directly from God. Till today millions of Jews don't believe the testimonies of those three men yet you will claim you believe because it was written in the book you cherish so much.

So you need to understand how God often declare things and what are the vivid evidence that you can see, his other disciples believe not just because those three men told them but they were carefully examining the scriptures to see how events are unfolding afterwards.

In the year 1931 it was announced that God's people will now be called Jehovah's Witnesses most religionists thought it was a joke but today which group is active in preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all our neighborhood just as Jesus commanded his disciples?
Which group is globally known for their love among themselves?
Which group is most hated by all other religionists?
Which group is no part of Satan's political system where people are killing people?

It's only the group known globally as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

MaxInDHouse:
Not all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are saved yet because most of them don't practice what Jesus taught but they've been noticed by Jehovah who searches all hearts {2Chronicles 16:9} that's why they were declared righteous for surrendering to the righteousness of God.
Only BORN AGAIN Christians are saved for now because they will not be here on earth when Satan is released to test the inhabitants of the earth for the last time. Revelations 20:5-6

truly lost false jw mad max

as i said; "all the saved are witnesses of YHVH"

and habitual liars, the paranoid, blasphemers, etc. are not saved, are not Witnesses of Yahovah

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

MaxInDHouse:
It's not that easy to know what God has declared such things are spiritual.
For instance when God declared some people righteous in the Bible did He made it public for all inhabitants of the earth or just within His worshipers?
So if you're not spiritual there are many things you will continue to argue about thinking you're fighting for a just course.
When Jehovah said:
"This is my Son with whom i am well pleased" Matthew 17:5
It was only three humans that were present at the event. Now imagine how millions living on the earth will feel hearing the witness of just three men who heard that statement directly from God. Till today millions of Jews don't believe the testimonies of those three men yet you will claim you believe because it was written in the book you cherish so much.
So you need to understand how God often declare things and what are the vivid evidence that you can see, his other disciples believe not just because those three men told them but they were carefully examining the scriptures to see how events are unfolding afterwards.
In the year 1931 it was announced that God's people will now be called Jehovah's Witnesses most religionists thought it was a joke but today which group is active in preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all our neighborhood just as Jesus commanded his disciples?
Which group is globally known for their love among themselves?
Which group is most hated by all other religionists?
Which group is no part of Satan's political system where people are killing people?
It's only the group known globally as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

lost false jw mad max

your many words don't change your lie that in these last days
God named your group Jehovah's witnesses.

in 1931 the man rutherford named your group Jehovah's witnesses

MaxInDHouse:
So in this last days Jehovah began calling His worshipers by this group name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

tctrills:
What's your question here? Your translation was about Moses mine was not. If that is not a contradiction what is?
Secondly, the bible says there is only one mediator, if that is not contradictory to your fake translations , what is?
Now you brought a verse in Hebrew as your defense.
The verse speaks about the mediator of the new testament but it never said the old covenant had or needed a mediator.
Now to avoid continuous back and front, let's assume that Moses was the mediator of the old testament my question is, was Moses the mediator for Abel, Enoch, Joseph and Abraham?
Again are you saying that it was through Moses that the people of the old testament came to God? He was there way, truth and light?
So for argument sale, I have agreed that Moses was the mediator of the old testament so now I guess you can answer all my questions.

Oga you cannot be interpreting......I have given you four translations that prove you wrong without me interpreting those translations....please provide a translation that has Jesus as the mediator in Galatians 3:19.

tctrills:
Please read my post above. It answers all your concerns but for the sake of unending argument let's agree that Moses was the mediator of the old testament. Now can we continue from there please.
Because we need to see if Moses was also the way, truth and light of the old testament and no one could come to the Father but by him in the old testament.
Also, we would see if there was a third mediator for those who lived before Moses.
So can we move on please?

Oga I'm not moving on until you show me a translation that contradicts mine in Galatians 3:19.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

lost false jw mad max

you a habitual liar, and paranoid, and blasphemer of the Holy Spirit, is not a Jehovah's witness
but is a false jw

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

achorladey:
Lies and manipulations of the content and context of the scripture as usual

look at what you have reduced insaneo to

MaxInDHouse: Sin against the spirit of God!

MaxInDHouse: The restoration began in the year 1914!

MaxInDHouse: Are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

johnw47:
look at what you have reduced insaneo to

A state he used is very own brains and typing fingers to draw and carve out for himself

achorladey:
A state he used is very own brains and typing fingers to draw and carve out for himself

of course

Michael547:
Oga I'm not moving on until you show me a translation that contradicts mine in Galatians 3:19.

But I have agreed that you are right. Moses was the mediator of the Old Testament and your translations are perfect. So now we can move on, right?

Michael547:
Oga you cannot be interpreting......I have given you four translations that prove you wrong without me interpreting those translations....please provide a translation that has Jesus as the mediator in Galatians 3:19.

I just said I agree with you. Now let's go back to the main topic, please. Can I ask you my questions now?

tctrills:
I just said I agree with you. Now let's go back to the main topic, please. Can I ask you my questions now?

Ok.....do you agree that you lied that Jesus is the mediator in referred to in Galatians 3:19?

Michael547:
Ok.....do you agree that you lied that Jesus is the mediator in referred to in Galatians 3:19?

Nope but I now agree you are right can we move on. Because we have wasted days outside the topic.

tctrills:
Nope but I now agree you are right can we move on. Because we have wasted days outside the topic.

If you don't agree that you lied, I'm not moving on with the discussion

Michael547:
If you don't agree that you lied, I'm not moving on with the discussion l.

Oga agreeing with someone you disagree with doesn't mean you lied. But then it's ok. I see you are not comfortable with the main discussion but you prefer a distraction. You prefer us spending the next week on the same spot and we both know why.

tctrills:
Oga agreeing with someone you disagree with doesn't mean you lied. But then it's ok. I see you are not comfortable with the main discussion but you prefer a distraction. You prefer us spending the next week on the same spot and we both know why.

Oga it is either I'm lying or you are lying. There is nothing like agreeing to disagree on this matter. So please do you agree that you lied in your own interpretation of Galatians 3:19?

Michael547:
Oga it is either I'm lying or you are lying. There is nothing like agreeing to disagree on this matter. So please do you agree that you lied in your own interpretation of Galatians 3:19?

Oga it has nothing to do with lies, we argue and debate to learn from each other and you have convinced me. That is the purpose of discussion.
So now are you willing to move on or will you keep creating excuses?

tctrills:
Oga it has nothing to do with lies, we argue and debate to learn from each other and you have convinced me. That is the purpose of discussion.
So now are you willing to move on or will you keep creating excuses?

Oga do you agreed that you lied.....yes or no? After you've been saying that the translations I gave you were fake without evidence, you think I would just move on like that? No Oga. We can't have a conversation like that.

Michael547:
Oga do you agreed that you lied.....yes or no? After you've been saying that the translations I gave you were fake without evidence, you think I would just move on like that? No Oga. We can't have a conversation like that.

Are you s child or a sore winner. You changed my mind. I learnt form you. Please let's know you you can't move on with your life.
Life no hard like that. But if you are scare to go on, I perfectly understand and other people on the thread will understand.

tctrills:
Are you s child or a sore winner. You changed my mind. I learnt form you. Please let's know you you can't move on with your life.
Life no hard like that. But if you are scare to go on, I perfectly understand and other people on the thread will understand.

Oga have you been lying in your interpretation of Galatians 3:19. Yes or no?

Michael547:
Oga have you been lying in your interpretation of Galatians 3:19. Yes or no?

No but I agree I was wrong. Should we go on or not.
It's one thing to be wrong and it's a different thing to be dishonest.
I understand you may not understand the difference.
When you fail a question in an exam, you are not lying, you are wrong.
A lying is intentionally trying to misrepresent the truth.
Now that I have explained to you, are you willing to continue or not.

Michael547:
Oga have you been lying in your interpretation of Galatians 3:19. Yes or no?

Meaning of a lie
an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceive.
By the definition of a lie, I was not lying. But you were right.
Please learn the meaning of words before using them.