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Michael547:
Between Tinubu and his Son, who is older and greater?

AGE AND GREATNESS ARE NOT GOOD CRITERIA OF RELEVANCE AND SPIRITUALITY. ETERNITY MEANS FOR EVER LIVING IN BLISS. NO AGE, NO TIREDNESS, NO POVERTY, NO COMPETITION, NO NEPA, NO BOKOHARAM, NO BIAFRA AND NO WANTS.

Iamanoited:
AGE AND GREATNESS ARE NOT GOOD CRITERIA OF RELEVANCE AND SPIRITUALITY. ETERNITY MEANS FOR EVER LIVING IN BLISS. NO AGE, NO TIREDNESS, NO POVERTY, NO COMPETITION, NO NEPA, NO BOKOHARAM, NO BIAFRA AND NO WANTS.

Lol....so why does the son say that the Father is greater than him in John 14:28.

DON'T BE A SON OF DISASTER. JESUS IS HEIR TO THE THRONE IN GOD'SPERE. HE WILL SIT ON THE THRONE IN JUDGEMENT WHENEVER GOD IS ABSENT.

Iamanoited:
DON'T BE A SON OF DISASTER. JESUS IS HEIR TO THE THRONE IN GOD'SPERE. HE WILL SIT ON THE THRONE IN JUDGEMENT WHENEVER GOD IS ABSENT.

IN YORUBA "PALANCE", JESUS CHRIST IS "INAMIMO IMOLENI".

My Lord and my God




Jesus Christ

sonmvayina:
I know you will say it is a compound 1

My friend, it is not. There is only one God, creator of all. Jesus is a creation of the Roman empire...
He was created to deceive you...don't fall for it..

Isaiah 44:6/7
6. So said the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of Hosts, "I am first and I am last, and besides Me there is no god

7. And who will call [that he is] like Me and will tell it and arrange it for Me, since My placing the ancient people, and the signs and those that will come, let them tell for themselves.

Isaiah 45:5
am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God: I will strengthen you although you have not known Me

What are you talking about? Did you read my post at all. Did I say Jesus is God?!

Kingsempires:
My Lord and my God




Jesus Christ

John.20.17 "Don't cling to me," Jesus said, "for I haven't yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them that I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God."

StillDtruth:
Kjv said "The Lord" not Jehovah.

So you are jw like Mad Max. i did not know. No wonder the errors and the twisted lies.



Did the bible say "echad"? No

Even at that your topic is not talking about "unity" but about The Lord, being "our God", so, you are talking Off Point!



Now i understand why you lie and twist and talk rubbish. Clearly, you are a jw.

See how you have changed it to "every lord" because you cannot counter the bible passages i have just dropped!

Hmm you are playing with hellfire.

so king James knows better scribes that wrote thousand copies of scriptures?

Don't be ignorant and hate others and go repent.

Steep:
This is what you get when, emphasis is placed on emotional experiences as against accurate doctrine and theology. When incompetent pastors are ordained who lack knowledge in basic Christian doctrine. Smh

this is the response you give when you ignore gospel and the truth, even when it clearly written.

I praise that in incompetence his grace is sufficient makes perfect us even in weaknesses and I thank God for the holy spirit that teaches all things

Emusan:
No! He doesn't have to reveal Himself as God because that's not the reason he came to Earth.

Jesus does not lie, neither did the scriptures nor gospel call the messiah the almighty God creator of heaven and earth

Which means while on Earth, He has TWO NATURES: One as divine and One as Human, right?

Jesus doesn't have two natures, even while he was on earth his nature was from God though he was in the image of man. Do you understand what you read, hope you understand God's word

Your post has no authority to do that , God's Word already revealed who Jesus Christ is.

Jesus is God Almighty
Jesus is the Creator of ALL THINGS
Jesus is the Alpha and Omega
Jesus is The First and The Last
Jesus is the Savior of the world.

you are very funny, because Jesus did not send books to preach the gospel, he sent men and gave them authority just has the Father God sent him and gave him authority. Even Isaiah said he would be called mighty god not the Almighty God.

The real Jesus sent by Father you can't fully know Him just as you can't fully know the Father. You can only know Him as Scripture described Him just exactly like the Father, to think you know Him in REAL SENSE makes you to be God Himself Jesus as Jesus says “My Father has entrusted everything to me. No one truly knows the Son except the Father, and no one truly knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” Matt 11:27

So, are you now the Father?

who ever lied to you that you cannot know Jesus probably also lied to you about who Jesus is. Saying Jesus cannot be fully know is saying he who the Father sent and revealed is still a mystery and the salvation of God has not been made known to us, that we do not lack anything as pertains to the salvation of our souls.

Scripture reveals who Jesus is but also the Spirit of God. Didn't Jesus say to Peter, flesh and blood did not reveal to you who I am. So stop being a mocker and making mockery of God's word by asking silly questions as, am I the Father, least you blamsphemy did they not also claim that the authority which was by the Holy Spirit was from demons.

If you are blind do not claim to see as to mislead others

seunowa:
Sincerely I do not get what exactly your point is about the identity of Christ Jesus. While not come out with a concise and unambiguous explanation of identity of Christ Jesus.

maybe to you it is not given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, for thou it is made plain you still see it as a parable. Instead of many explanations pray that the eyes of your understanding be enlightened and that God reveals the son Jesus Christ to you.

Tetraozonaitera:
You have just wasted space and time writing the long piece.

At the court of Law. After quarell with your neighbor who was so smart to have recorded your voice which in your own words you were bragging you will cut his son's head off one day.

The Judge facing you says Mr. Jude, can you tell this honourable court who was that talking and bragging?
What would you say when you know your neighbor got you redhanded?

"It was me your honor" would be your answer if you dont want greater punishment for telling lies.

Those were your words in your own voice.

Only a mental patient would say "Your Honor, it was not me Sir. It was only my voice"

The Judge may have to tell them to go and check your Sanity.

In a nutshell, you cant separate a man from his word.
His word is him. He is his word.

Jesus is the Word of God.
You cant separate God from His Word.
He is His Word, His Word is He.

Shalom

you are amusing you call it a waste yet you read and respond, don't deceive yourself and rubbish what you lack understanding of in pride.

I did not separate Jesus from the Father, nor the Father from the Son.

God the Father spoke from heaven while Jesus was on earth. Jesus was called THE WORD of God, not the voice of God, even if he is the voice of God, God did not lose his voice when Jesus came to earth, not did he sacrifice his speech and become mute or dumb.

Continue with your analogy and ignore the truth, I have written what I have written, you have read it, it's not for me to choose for you but for you to make your choice.

Ken4Christ:
You are quoting scriptures that supports your opinions while ignoring many more others that speaks otherwise.

What about where God the Father called Jesus God?

Hebrews 1:8-9.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. note

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows

God the Father is invisible. Jesus is the physical manifestation of the invisible God. So, if you want to see God, look at Jesus.

God the father is not invisible blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God, God is very seeable, He is not a function of imagination, he is as real as we are. Jesus is right now seated at the right hand of God, because God doesn't make himself visible to all doesn't mean he lack manifestation. Did you read at his appearance the earth quakes, heaven and earth disappear there was no room for them.

That hebrews is quoted from Psalm 45
God has blessed You, referring to the Son, forever

But then in verse 5, it refers to the throne and the kingdom of God.

It's like that psalm where Jehovah was speaking to Adonai, you see ignorance sometimes is a choice, try and read the Hebrew translations of scripture.

Even John Apostle John saw the throne of God and the lamb at the right hand. And recorded it in revelation.

You are misquoting and misunderstanding one verse or few you have in your mind against all of scripture and revelation, is that not arrogance


Psalm 45:7 for God Your God, whose God, the God of the Mighty One, who loves righteousness and hates wickedness, God anoints Him.

Jesus did not anoint himself, God the father anointed him and gave him a name.

Don't think you are wiser than those through whom the revelation was given

Ken4Christ:
Jesus is not the Father, but he is the physical manifestation of the Father.

He is God in very essence. His statements affirm this truth. But on earth, he functioned as a man became of his mission but he is a God being.

Can an ordinary man make statements like;

Before Abraham was, I am.

He accepted worship. Man does not accept worship.

Read John 17 and listen to his conversation with his Father.

Jesus is fully God but he is not the father.

The Father is invisible. If you want to see the Father, look at Jesus.

Jesus being a man doesn't make him an ordinary man.

Is worship not honor, do you not honor your parents. Did Jesus tell anyone to worship him, was it not the Father who made all things under him and to worship him. You think Jesus sought worship for himself, he is not the devil. He is Lord, and we honor him our lord and saviour.

Glad you agree that Jesus is not the Father, and yes he is divine and that divine nature is also in us those who believe and obey God

gohf:
What are you talking about? Did you read my post at all. Did I say Jesus is God?!

But you seem to suggest that echad means a compound 1. Meaning multiple that gives 1..

gohf:
Jesus being a man doesn't make him an ordinary man.

Is worship not honor, do you not honor your parents. Did Jesus tell anyone to worship him, was it not the Father who made all things under him and to worship him. You think Jesus sought worship for himself, he is not the devil. He is Lord, and we honor him our lord and saviour.

Glad you agree that Jesus is not the Father, and yes he is divine and that divine nature is also in us those who believe and obey God

What is your bone of contention?

All worships are honours but not all honours are worships.

gohf:
God the father is not invisible blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God, God is very seeable, He is not a function of imagination, he is as real as we are. Jesus is right now seated at the right hand of God, because God doesn't make himself visible to all doesn't mean he lack manifestation. Did you read at his appearance the earth quakes, heaven and earth disappear there was no room for them.

That hebrews is quoted from Psalm 45
God has blessed You, referring to the Son, forever

But then in verse 5, it refers to the throne and the kingdom of God.

It's like that psalm where Jehovah was speaking to Adonai, you see ignorance sometimes is a choice, try and read the Hebrew translations of scripture.

Even John Apostle John saw the throne of God and the lamb at the right hand. And recorded it in revelation.

You are misquoting and misunderstanding one verse or few you have in your mind against all of scripture and revelation, is that not arrogance


Psalm 45:7 for God Your God, whose God, the God of the Mighty One, who loves righteousness and hates wickedness, God anoints Him.

Jesus did not anoint himself, God the father anointed him and gave him a name.

Don't think you are wiser than those through whom the revelation was given

I still don't understand where you are going. Please, come clear.

As for the Father, you can only see his glory or form but not in physical body like Jesus has.

gohf:
Jesus does not lie, neither did the scriptures nor gospel call the messiah the almighty God creator of heaven and earth

Jesus can never lie.

The Messiah from Old Testament perspective is God Almighty Himself according to Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 as all the Four gospels also attested to it by applying it to Jesus Christ.

So if God claimed He's the one coming in the Old Testament, did God lie or God has not come?

Well, since the Four gospel writers applied those verses to Jesus Christ proved God did not lie and God Almighty has come as promised.

Jesus doesn't have two natures, even while he was on earth his nature was from God though he was in the image of man. Do you understand what you read, hope you understand God's word

You're contradicting yourself.

Why does he need to be in IMAGE OF MAN if He doesn't have two natures?

you are very funny, because Jesus did not send books to preach the gospel, he sent men and gave them authority just has the Father God sent him and gave him authority. Even Isaiah said he would be called mighty god not the Almighty God.

And the same Isaiah said God is MIGHTY GOD, do you then means there are now TWO Mighty Gods.

who ever lied to you that you cannot know Jesus probably also lied to you about who Jesus is. Saying Jesus cannot be fully know is saying he who the Father sent and revealed is still a mystery and the salvation of God has not been made known to us, that we do not lack anything as pertains to the salvation of our souls.

I didn't write that verse but that was Jesus very OWN STATEMENT.

So, to claim you FULLY KNOW Jesus Christ means you are now THE FATHER because that is the point Jesus made in that statement.

Scripture reveals who Jesus is but also the Spirit of God. Didn't Jesus say to Peter, flesh and blood did not reveal to you who I am. So stop being a mocker and making mockery of God's word by asking silly questions as, am I the Father, least you blamsphemy did they not also claim that the authority which was by the Holy Spirit was from demons.

That is my point, you can only know what was REVEALED not FULLY KNOW WHO Jesus is.

That should tell you, Jesus is more than what was revealed.

If you are blind do not claim to see as to mislead others

You can point out any misleading point in my post but as long as the scripture I was I quote and allow scripture to speak for itself, you can only be the blind person here.

gohf:
so king James knows better scribes that wrote thousand copies of scriptures?

Don't be ignorant and hate others and go repent.

We know Truth when we see or hear it and Truth from an illliterate will put to shame the Lies told by a thousand scribes

Emusan:
Jesus can never lie.

The Messiah from Old Testament perspective is God Almighty Himself according to Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 as all the Four gospels also attested to it by applying it to Jesus Christ.

Exactly!

Even Reveleatilons 1:8 and 18 reconfirms it

StillDtruth:
We know Truth when we see or hear it and Truth from an illliterate will put to shame the Lies told by a thousand scribes

so you are calling all the authors of the old testament books liars, well ain't we all men liars

sonmvayina:
But you seem to suggest that echad means a compound 1. Meaning multiple that gives 1..

I seem to? 😐

Ken4Christ:
What is your bone of contention?

All worships are honours but not all honours are worships.

ok

Ken4Christ:
I still don't understand where you are going. Please, come clear.

As for the Father, you can only see his glory or form but not in physical body like Jesus has.

please read it again till you understand

if you have any questions ask them clearly

Emusan:
Jesus can never lie.

The Messiah from Old Testament perspective is God Almighty Himself according to Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 as all the Four gospels also attested to it by applying it to Jesus Christ.

So if God claimed He's the one coming in the Old Testament, did God lie or God has not come?

Mal.3.1 "Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. The messenger of the covenant, whom you look for so eagerly, is surely coming," says the LORD Almighty.


The Lord mentioned here is Adonai, different from LORD which is Yehovah (or to some Yahweh)

Since the Lord Jesus is the messenger do you now not understand

Isa.40.3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness: "Prepare the way of the LORD; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God.

Jesus came to show the way and be the way, no one comes to the father except through him


Read your WHOLE bible, ask the Holy Spirit if you must. God the Father is indeed coming, coming to judge the world, read your Book of Revelation.

Well, since the Four gospel writers applied those verses to Jesus Christ proved God did not lie and God Almighty has come as promised.



You're contradicting yourself.

Why does he need to be in IMAGE OF MAN if He doesn't have two natures?



And the same Isaiah said God is MIGHTY GOD, do you then means there are now TWO Mighty Gods.

you are beginning to sound like you're hardening your heart and just plainly refusing to. You accuse me of contradictions whereas what I have written lacks any form of contradiction. Being mighty doesn't make you almighty. Were there no mighty men, why have you limited your sight and perceived things like those who are blind

I didn't write that verse but that was Jesus very OWN STATEMENT.

So, to claim you FULLY KNOW Jesus Christ means you are now THE FATHER because that is the point Jesus made in that statement.



That is my point, you can only know what was REVEALED not FULLY KNOW WHO Jesus is.

That should tell you, Jesus is more than what was revealed.



You can point out any misleading point in my post but as long as the scripture I was I quote and allow scripture to speak for itself, you can only be the blind person here.

You ignore everything Jesus said then claim you wrote what he said?

Jesus never called himself the Father, it is you who lies against him that does so.

If you can lie against him then you can lie that I said I know him fully when I said he is not hidden from us, and has been revealed to us. First accusing me then agreeing with me shows you lack the patience to read and study the whole context of a message so as to understand what is being said.

THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE I QUOTED WRONGLY but whereas for you who claims to see, your blindness remains

StillDtruth:
Exactly!

Even Reveleatilons 1:8 and 18 reconfirms it

two different verses

Who do you think was speaking in Rev 1:8 why don't you say John

Where has verse 18 shows clearly Jesus is speaking

Read the whole of Revelation 4 but seeing as I don't just post type verses I post it's content, let me help you a bit on who spoke in Revelation 1:8

Rev.4.8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying: "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come!" (NKJV)

Who gave John the revelation

Rev.1.1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants--things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, (NKJV)

GOD gave him

gohf:
two different verses

Who do you think was speaking in Rev 1:8 why don't you say John

Where has verse 18 shows clearly Jesus is speaking

Read the whole of Revelation 4 but seeing as I don't just post type verses I post it's content, let me help you a bit on who spoke in Revelation 1:8

Rev.4.8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying: "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come!" (NKJV)

Who gave John the revelation

Rev.1.1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him] to show His servants--things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, (NKJV)

GOD gave him

No problem here. You only spoke off point and still said what i said.

gohf:
so you are calling all the authors of the old testament books liars, well ain't we all men liars

No where did i say that.

gohf:
Mal.3.1 "Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. The messenger of the covenant, whom you look for so eagerly, is surely coming," says the LORD Almighty.


The Lord mentioned here is Adonai, different from LORD which is Yehovah (or to some Yahweh)

Since the Lord Jesus is the messenger do you now not understand

Isa.40.3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness: "Prepare the way of the LORD; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God.

Jesus came to show the way and be the way, no one comes to the father except through him

The most critical part is what you left and address another thing.

Look @color parts, that is what you are missing.

Mal 3:1 ...prepare the was BEFORE ME....
Isa 40:3 ....making the dessert highway for OUR GOD...

John the Baptist fulfilled the part of preparing the WAY while Jesus is the one who fulfilled BEFORE ME AND OUR GOD.

Do you now understand?

Read your WHOLE bible, ask the Holy Spirit if you must. God the Father is indeed coming, coming to judge the world, read your Book of Revelation.

You're a liar!

John 5:22 "Furthermore, the Father does not judge[ao] anyone, but has assigned[ap] all judgment to the Son"

Stop lying against God, His word and the Holy spirit.

Yahweh of the Old Testament promised to COME either God lied or He has come.

you are beginning to sound like you're hardening your heart and just plainly refusing to. You accuse me of contradictions whereas what I have written lacks any form of contradiction. Being mighty doesn't make you almighty. Were there no mighty men, why have you limited your sight and perceived things like those who are blind

Who are you to decide who hardened his/her heart?

So, when the same Isa called God MIGHTY GOD SHOWS God might not be 'Almighty' or God later became Almighty at a point.

Yes! You're contradicting yourself.

If Jesus is called MIGHTY GOD and Old Testament also called God MIGHTY GOD it means there are TWO MIGHTY GODS.

You ignore everything Jesus said then claim you wrote what he said?

Where did I make this claim?

Jesus never called himself the Father, it is you who lies against him that does so.

And who said Jesus called Himself the Father?

If you can lie against him then you can lie that I said I know him fully when I said he is not hidden from us, and has been revealed to us.

Where did I lie against Jesus?

Secondly, I can't remember where I said you know Jesus FULLY.

I only said if your CLAIMED YOU KNOW HIM FULLY then it means you're the Father because according to Jesus Himself, you can't know Him fully except the Father.

First accusing me then agreeing with me shows you lack the patience to read and study the whole context of a message so as to understand what is being said.

Show me where I accused you.

THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE I QUOTED WRONGLY but whereas for you who claims to see, your blindness remains

So it's me that is quoting scripture WRONGLY right

Whenever you see them making this type of claim it's evident they know their own interpretation don get K-leg.

If the early christians were trinitarian so were is all this confusion coming from

Emusan:
Instead, you started your kangaroo post by jumping from Pilar to Post dodging the questions

micky doesn't honestly reply to much of what is said or asked,
and he even replies to many questions with a question, they big frauds

StillDtruth:
No where did i say that.

"shame the Lies told by a thousand scribes" your exact words