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Them say christ died that we may be free from sin but every preacher is preaching against sin. Now if something is defeated. It won't hold territory anymore. Now if christ actually died for our sins. Why the preaching of repentance instead of acceptance?


If there's still sin after the death christ , it really means he didn't come for or died for sins


Nairaland pastors please help a believer whose faith is shaking

Pay attention to preachers like Joseph Prince and Abel Damina.

Read Romans 7 and 8 in at least two versions (apart from KJV). Let Amplified be one of those versions.

Bastardallah:
Them say christ died that we may be free from sin but every preacher is preaching against sin. Now if something is defeated. It won't hold territory anymore. Now if christ actually died for our sins. Why the preaching of repentance instead of acceptance?


If there's still sin after the death christ , it really means he didn't come for or died for sins


Nairaland pastors please help a believer whose faith is shaking

Your argument is correct and Christ didn't die for "our" sins (i.e the sin of every human)

Okay let me just summarize.

When you get born again and you have the Holy Spirit, who you allow to speak to you regularly (several times a day), the grip of sin on you will start to soften up. It becomes increasingly easier to overcome temptations.
You stop committing sin not because you think it is bad (old testament mindset), but because sinful things become increasingly less attractive to you - that is what it means to be dead to sin. God will no longer condemn you for your mistakes - Romans 8:1-2.
Not that you never commit sin again, but it's no longer your habit and you don't do it deliberately - 1 John 3:9 - you will keep getting better with time.

Most preachers leave the gospel of Jesus and go back to preaching the old testament (rules, laws, commandments), which is mere religion and not spirituality Jesus brought.

Analogy
Imagine your computer (human) is infested with viruses (sin), trojan malware, etc. It behaves abnormally. Even though manages to carry out your instructions (laws), it will keep misbehaving and will be unpredictable (old testament religion). Now, when you reboot (born again) and install antivirus (Holy Spirit), it will scan your computer and remove those viruses. From experience, this could take several days to achieve a completely clean system (gradual freedom from sin). But the antivirus will keep scanning your computer regularly and remove new infections (walking in the spirit), and will keep updating its database to know new viruses (sins unknown) and how to get rid of them (renewal of your mind). This doesn't mean it's 100% clean, but most viruses would be gotten rid of before they do any real damage - you have sinned the moment you consider a sinful act in your mind (it's not until you actually do it) - Matt 6:28, 1 John 3:15. But the Holy Spirit will help you to remove those thoughts.

WeirdAlien:
Okay let me just summarize.

When you get born again and you have the Holy Spirit, who you allow to speak to you regularly (several times a day), the grip of sin on you will start to soften up. It becomes increasingly easier to overcome temptations.
You stop committing sin not because you think it is bad (old testament mindset), but because sinful things become increasingly less attractive to you - that is what it means to be dead to sin. God will no longer condemn you for your mistakes - Romans 8:1-2.
Not that you never commit sin again, but it's no longer your habit and you don't do it deliberately - 1 John 3:9 - you will keep getting better with time.

Most preachers leave the gospel of Jesus and go back to preaching the old testament (rules, laws, commandments), which is mere religion and not spirituality Jesus brought.

Analogy
Imagine your computer (human) is infested with viruses (sin), trojan malware, etc. It behaves abnormally. Even though manages to carry out your instructions (laws), it will keep misbehaving and will be unpredictable (old testament religion). Now, when you reboot (born again) and install antivirus (Holy Spirit), it will scan your computer and remove those viruses. From experience, this could take several days to achieve a completely clean system (gradual freedom from sin). But the antivirus will keep scanning your computer regularly and remove new infections (walking in the spirit), and will keep updating its database to know new viruses (sins unknown) and how to get rid of them (renewal of your mind). This doesn't mean it's 100% clean, but most viruses would be gotten rid of before they do any real damage - you have sinned the moment you consider a sinful act in your mind (it's not until you actually do it) - Matt 6:28, 1 John 3:15. But the Holy Spirit will help you to remove those thoughts.

Now it is our power to overcome sin not christ death?

For how long should we deprive ourselves things of the world which God according to genesis made beautiful?

Like your example . A computer can't clean itself of virus.
A man can't clean himself of sins that's what I was told that made christ to come. Now he has come and go . Why do we still preach sin.


According to genesis he Christ himself said if you live me. Obey my father's commandments and keep his status.


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I need clear explanation. Christ came that we maybe free. Yet they still bring condemnation us that do whats pleased us.

That is what we are have been advocating for that
JESUS didn't died for anybody sins....
Imagine he died and pastors are still extorting the members..
The leaders extorting the followers.. then the blood the died is of no use...and it's a waste because people still engraving in the sin in what they claimed Jesus died for...
Please shine your eyes...
Perhaps duetronmy said no one can died for another person too....
Iro Lasan