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Barristter07:
Partakers of flesh and blood are Flesh and blood, Yes ?

You can see you don't make any sense

Emusan:
I've already explained the verse, stop going back in circle!

Nothing like HALF OR FULL HUMAN!

Emusan:
Nothing like half or full human.

Barristter07:
But trinitarians can use terms like " Fully human" for Jesus , until this evening .

Barristter07:
Partakers makes you what you partake.
Partakers of flesh and blood are Flesh and blood , yes?
The point is clear,

Emusan:
Nothing like FULLY HUMAN

Understanding is the key.

Emusan:
So, you agreed that they will BE GOD.

That's nice!

Barristter07:
You are exactly what you partake. Simple!

Anyone that share the divine nature is God's nature. Anyone that share flesh and blood is flesh and blood.

Barristter07:
Yeah. Since Godship is by Nature according to your logic.

Cancel trinity and we should have something like Thousandnity or Millionity. Since there are many with God's Nature

Emusan:

If that is the case, you agreed that the believers will be GOD ALMIGHTY.

I'm loving this

Barristter07:
Exactly the implication of such barbaric idea like Godship by Nature. They are all God Almighty

Unfortunately for you, I don't ascribe Godship by virtue of Nature.

Emusan:
You are the one who know where you get GODSHIP BY NATURE from.

The fact, that Jesus HAS THE VERY NATURE OF GOD and we know what that means

It's not about what you subscribe to but YOUR INTERPRETATION OF PARTAKE with this you have put galow in your own neck.

To PARTAKE means THE BE VERY THING YOU PARTAKE since believers will be PARTAKER OF GOD'S NATURE means they will be GOD as well.

This is your own interpretation not what you're trying to disprove.

If I ask you, what does it mean to BE A PARTAKER?

Barristter07:
Divine Nature is God's nature. The word Divine mean " belonging to God " . Do you lack basic knowledge of English language?

You know the implication hence the desperate attempt to separate. Now more laughable is the "Gods form" . Form means how something or someone exist. What is God's form ? Joh. 4:24 . Spirit form.

Are there not millions of Angels with Gods form ?

Youareforgiven:
✝ 1 John 4:17

"Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world."

KJV Bible

As He is so are we... No difference whatsoever.

The Angels don't have the Holy name. They are spiritual creations of God but do not possess the very essence of God which is his Spirit.

We will be all this and more in our transformed state when Christ Jesus our Vine appears. Even now we can know the hearts of men through the Holy Spirit in us. ✝ John 16:13

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come."

KJV Bible
✝ 1 Corinthians 2:16

"For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

KJV Bible

We have the mind of God in Christ Jesus. We think the thought of God our Father. What He knows, we are able to know. You don't even know what is in store for those who are in Christ Jesus. It is glorious and mind blowing!!!

Barristter07:
"ye are GODS "

Whatever you partake you become. Yes they are God's, but they have a God. Still inferior, the same way Jesus himself have a God despite having the same Divine Nature.

If you have a God, you are not Almighty.

Emusan:
The key point is @ color "Whatever you partake you BECOME" and you wrapped it up with "Yes they are God's"

I like that.

Now the implication of that is, they THEY BECOME GOD which means they have ALL THE ATTRIBUTES THAT MAKE GOD - To be GOD.

But being clever by half as you know the implication, you decided to LIMIT it that they are INFERIOR.

Based on your illustration of human in Heb 2:14 no human is inferior to ANOTHER HUMAN based on our NATURE as Jesus PARTOOK in flesh and blood you won't agree that Jesus is INFERIOR to other human.

You see why your logic and claim is whacked.

Also, the scripture didn't say Jesus PARTAKES in the Divine Nature rather the scripture says JESUS EXISTS IN THAT VERY NATURE which means whatever nature that makes God to be God is what Jesus exists in.

If anything exists in human nature it means that being have ALL WHAT MAKE HUMAN TO BE HUMAN.

IN Nature nothing like inferior or superior.

Barristter07:
Partakers exist in that same nature. So you don't have point


Yes they are all GODS!
I didn't place the limit, Scripture did.
Every created being existing in God's nature Have a God they worshipped. Emphasis on " Have a God " .

Emusan:
Very nonsense.

No creature exists in GOD'S VERY NATURE.

To exist in VERY OWN GOD NATURE, it means you HAVE ALL WHAT IT TAKE TO BE GOD.

No where scripture placed the limit you did.

Did you believe that when Jesus partakes in flesh and blood, Jesus was INFERIOR TO OTHER HUMAN?

Barristter07:
The question should be when Jesus partake in Flesh and blood, did he exist in that same flesh and blood ?

That should tell you exactly the point of what you partake you become. Yes they become God's!

Do they have a God ?

Emusan:
YOU DONT USE QUESTION TO ANSWER QUESTION.

Answer my question first.
No! Answer the question first!

Was Jesus inferior to other human when he partakes as blood and flesh?

I've told you, you already put galow in your own neck

Barristter07:
He is not inferior because he didn't worship any human as his God. He exist exactly as the same flesh and blood he partakes. The same way anyone that partake as Divine Nature exist exactly as that Divine Nature.

Emusan:
@color-1: You want to be clever by half but I won't give room for that.

@color-2: Good, which is what I want to hear.

@color-3: This is where you finally buried it.


To have EXACTLY THE SAME DIVINE NATURE MEANS THEY ARE GOD ALMIGHTY AS WELL just as Jesus was not INFERIOR AS HUMAN.

One thing clear in all this your dubious hide and seek statement is that you know what it means when the scripture says THEY PARTOOK in Divine Nature just what it means when Jesus partakes as blood and flesh but you decided to be perambulating

Barristter07:
Partook is to exist as that.

Since you want to equate trinity to mean everyone having same nature and essence is Almighty, it's wrong, because everyone having that essence are many.

I didn't equate anyone to God Almighty because they exist in his nature. As long as they worship him as their God, they are inferior.

Did Jesus worship any human? That would make him inferior to the human. Irrespective of their having same nature.

Emusan:
No! Is to SHARE and to share doesn't mean YOU HAVE IT ALL.



Scripture is very cleared, they will SHARE in that Divine Nature

About Jesus, Jesus EXISTS IN THAT VERY NATURE.

So, they are of two different coin side.

To have God's Nature means YOU HAVE WHAT MAKE GOD TO BE GOD.


You already EQUATE ALL THOSE WHO WILL PARTAKE IN THE DIVINE NATURE with God ALMIGHTY when you said "The same way anyone that partake as Divine Nature EXIST EXACTLY as that Divine Nature."

To EXIST EXACTLY AS THAT DIVINE NATURE means TO HAVE THE VERY NATURE THAT MAKS GOD TO BE GOD.



Nature is not about WORSHIP.

That some people worship some persons today doesn't mean BY NATURE they are INFERIOR to that person.

We are HUMAN because WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE.

Stop this kindergarten behavior jare....

Barristter07:
You admit that Jesus partook of the flesh and blood make him Exist as Flesh and blood, e reach divine nature, you change mouth.

They exist as that Divine nature. Deal with it.

Partook is to be what you partook.

You can see the ridiculousness of the whole trinity, now we have plenty persons existing as Divine Nature

Emusan:
The same thing you did, don't forget.



That is why I'm telling you that, then THEY ARE ALMIGHTY GOD Just as you agree that Jesus was ALSO HUMAN not INFERIOR.

To exist in THAT DIVINE NATURE means they have ALL WHAT IT TAKES TO BE GOD ALMIGHTY.



It's a very simple English word that is why the word also means SHARE WHICH MEANS not not ALL



Your own is even now worse than Trinity as MILLION OF BELIEVERS are now GOD ALMIGHTY

Barristter07:
Who get God wey e dey worship no be God Almighty.

But to deny they exist in that same Divine Nature. It doesn't fly, Jesus partaking flesh and blood make him exist as one. [/i]

Sand2022:
Of course this will be ours in the future, but do we conclude that we will all be worshiped as God is in the future?

Sand2022:
This nature is not the same as Divine Nature that Christ shares with the Father. No. In Heb 1, Christ is said to be the exact facsimile of God's Being - Hypostasis. And we have also seen that Christ is worshipped as God is. Also remember that in the beginning the word WAS, not the Word "is". So Christ has been there before the beginning. John 1:3 says all things were created by Christ. Not even one thing came into being without him. So he is not created and has no beginning and end. Compare 1tim 6.

So the Divine Nature we are talking about here is the uncreated Nature of God. Phil 2 says Christ was in God's form before coming to earth. Only God possess this nature, so if Jesus possess it, he is God as such is worshipped. So it is no surprise that we see Jesus occupy what naturally should be Jehovah's and even to be worshipped. You don't dare give that to a mere creature. Check my Part 4 of this series.

The divine nature that 2Pet has in mind is that of Christ's glory. Christ was flesh when on earth and later got a glorified. That is what the anointed will get. They won't get what Christ is before his humanity. It's not even possible. See how the Insight comments on it:

Insight under Nature:

That this is a sharing with Christ in his glory as spirit persons, Peter shows in his first letter: “God . . . gave us a new birth [a·na·gen·neʹsas he·masʹ, “having generated us again”] to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you.” (1Pe 1:3, 4)"

Courz:
Sand2022, I have a video to share with you. Remember, in your first Trinity thread, I mentioned a testimony of a young boy who had a vision of Heaven which was made possible by Jesus himself. Remember I said the boy said he noticed Jesus and God merging to be one being and separating afterwards. This man in this video also saw the same thing. I am posting this video because the Man explained the oneness of Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit by using what he saw in Heaven.

This Man suffered from Septic Shock while he was hospitalised for an ailment and he died for 90 minutes. While his body was on the hospital bed, His spirit was taken to Heaven. He met Jesus, he saw the Paradise of God as stated in the Bible and he was taken to the Throne Room which is a different realm where Almighty God sits on his throne.

Now, the Man said it was time for everyone there to approach God and tell him how much they love him and each of them were ushered by a Song sang by a very huge Angel. The Man said Jesus approached God by entering into him. In other words, they merged together to be one. Then people there started to sing praises to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. As they are honouring the Father, they are also honouring the Son and the Holy Spirit at the same time. He said in Heaven, the three are One. No questions asked. He was eventually told by Jesus that he had to go back as it was not time to be there. So, he obeyed and went back to his body. The Man also said he saw God's face because he saw him smile at him and this was only possible because he was in Spirit form. This ties in with Revelation 22 Vs 4 that says God's people will be around His throne and in the midst of Jesus and they will see God's face. I have also watched anotherr testimony from a Man who said he was in the Throne room and he saw God's face as well.

You can start the video from Timestamp 27:50 to get some context and finish the video to get some insight about the Spirit bodies we possess. I felt I should share this video as it ties in with the Trinity.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJd1vybYPrM?si=SUCTJfjdqtoIZv7k

Sand2022:
I was blessed by the video. Wow, Randy Kay is someone I also follow on YouTube. This insight into Jesus and the father, how Jesus entered inside the Father will explain why Jesus often say that he is inside the Father and the Father is in him. We have more to learn about this triune nature.