₦airaland Forum

tctrills:
Again, foolish questions. Since we have established that many people in the old testament where born again, and since we both agree with Christ that no man can come unto the Father but by him then we don't need a single old testament verse to convince us that people of old followed Christ.
You already have all the evidence you needed in the new testament.
Do you get it now?
Just believe the words of Jesus Christ and you will be alright.
For those things not written in the old testament, Jesus Christ himself has explained them. Can you please believe him?

Oga if your interpretation of what Jesus said is correct, you would provide the answers to what I am asking below:

Kindly show us where and when Jesus told the Isrealites to follow him and How the isrealites followed him to become christians in agreement with your statement on how to become a Christian in the screenshot below.

Kindly show us where Moses and the isrealites were commanded to be born again by baptizing in the name of Jesus and also with the holy spirit to gain salvation.

Michael547:
Oga if your interpretation of what Jesus said is correct, you would provide the answers to what I am asking below: Kindly show us where and when Jesus told the Isrealites to follow him and How the isrealites followed him to become christians in agreement with your statement on how to become a Christian in the screenshot below. Kindly show us where Moses and the isrealites were commanded to be born again by baptizing in the name of Jesus and also with the holy spirit to gain salvation.

You are not nice at all!

So what exactly do you expect him to do with that comment you're showing in screenshot?

Do you expect him to admit that he was wrong?

Come on, you and i know that only Jehovah's Witnesses Organization teaches their members through the way they admit their past mistakes and come forward to announce that there is a NEW LIGHT.

Other religions never taught their members in such a manner rather they will continue arguing blindly even when they can see that they committed a blunder in the past.

He will not admit even though he has included it in his past comment that one can't be a Christian without knowing Jesus' teachings!

Michael547:
Oga if your interpretation of what Jesus said is correct, you would provide the answers to what I am asking below:

Kindly show us where and when Jesus told the Isrealites to follow him and How the isrealites followed him to become christians in agreement with your statement on how to become a Christian in the screenshot below.

Kindly show us where Moses and the isrealites were commanded to be born again by baptizing in the name of Jesus and also with the holy spirit to gain salvation.

Again you are wrong.
You don't need evidence in old testament before believing his words
He said no man can come to the Father but by him.
You don't need a new interpretation before believing him.
You don't need Moses confirming his words.
Your duty is to believe that Abraham, Moses, Elijah and everyone that ever came to the Father did it through him.
You are now like the pharisees who needed a sign to believe.
Unlike you, christians don't need a sign to believe him.
I don't need the writings of Moses to believe the Savior Jesus Christ

tctrills:
Again you are wrong.
You don't need evidence in old testament before believing his words
He said no man can come to the Father but by him.
You don't need a new interpretation before believing him.
You don't need Moses confirming his words.
Your duty is to believe that Abraham, Moses, Elijah and everyone that ever came to the Father did it through him.
You are now like the pharisees who needed a sign to believe.
Unlike you, christians don't need a sign to believe him.
I don't need the writings of Moses to believe the Savior Jesus Christ

Ok oo...Kindly show us where and when Jesus told the Isrealites to follow him and How the isrealites followed him to become christians in agreement with your statement on how to become a Christian in the screenshot below.

Kindly show us where Moses and the isrealites were commanded to be born again by baptizing in the name of Jesus and also with the holy spirit to gain salvation.

Michael547:
Ok oo...Kindly show us where and when Jesus told the Isrealites to follow him and How the isrealites followed him to become christians in agreement with your statement on how to become a Christian in the screenshot below.

Kindly show us where Moses and the isrealites were commanded to be born again by baptizing in the name of Jesus and also with the holy spirit to gain salvation.

Are you asking the same question I just answered I don't see any difference in this and the one I answered.
Or is my answer not clear enough?
Ok let me even give you the most simple explanation that even your child will understand.

The people of the old testament were following God right?
Now Jesus Christ says no man can come up to the Father except through him.
Hence it is impossible to follow the Father without Jesus Christ.
So if you believe that the people of old followed the Father, there you have the answer you are looking for.
The Father and the Son are one. They don't have different followers.
I am sure this gives you the answer you are looking for.
And I appreciate the questions.
I am here to provide answers to your concern on this subject.

tctrills:
Are you asking the same question I just answered I don't see any difference in this and the one I answered.
Or is my answer not clear enough?
Ok let me even give you the most simple explanation that even your child will understand.

The people of the old testament were following God right?
Now Jesus Christ says no man can come up to the Father except through him.
Hence it is impossible to follow the Father without Jesus Christ.
So if you believe that the people of old followed the Father, there you have the answer you are looking for.
The Father and the Son are one. They don't have different followers.
I am sure this gives you the answer you are looking for.
And I appreciate the questions.
I am here to provide answers to your concern on this subject.

Oga show me when and where Jesus told the Isrealites to follow him' and how the isrealites followed him according to your definition of who a Christian is.

Was there any law that was given to the isrealites that commanded them to be born again by being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and also to be baptized with the holy spirit for salvation?

Michael547:
Oga show me when and where Jesus told the Isrealites to follow him' and how the isrealites followed him according to your definition of who a Christian is.

Was there any law that was given to the isrealites that commanded them to be born again by being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and also to be baptized with the holy spirit for salvation?

Now you are going back to repeating yourself .
So after we have answered all your questions, you now start repeating them. Very smart of you

tctrills:
The people of the old testament were following God right?
Now Jesus Christ says no man can come up to the Father except through him.
Hence it is impossible to follow the Father without Jesus Christ.
So if you believe that the people of old followed the Father, there you have the answer you are looking for.
The Father and the Son are one. They don't have different followers.
I am sure this gives you the answer you are looking for.
And I appreciate the questions.
I am here to provide answers to your concern on this subject.

Why then did Moses told the people that a prophet greater than him is coming and they should listen to him?
The whole arrangement of burnt and sin offering, the priesthood and the Tabernacle would have made no sense of they were following the Jesus, someone they did not even know

Aemmyjah:
Why then did Moses told the people that a prophet greater than him is coming and they should listen to him?
The whole arrangement of burnt and sin offering, the priesthood and the Tabernacle would have made no sense of they were following the Jesus, someone they did not even know

Very good question and your question actually proves what I have been saying. From the early stage Moses and all prophets were pointing the people to Jesus Christ and their sacrifices were performed in similitude to his. So clearly their whole religion was about following Jesus Christ.
One more thing,
Jesus Christ taught that I and my Father are one so it is simply impossible to follow one and not follow the other.
Now if your argument is that people in the Old Testament did not have all the teachings of Christ as we presently do, then you are right but then Isaiah makes us understand
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

So we expect more revelations as time goes on.

Again the the Book of Hebrew we learn
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

So both in the Old and New Testament, it was the word of God revealed. There is no difference between the word of God and the word of Christ

Are you a Christian or you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you a Christian or you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Are Jehovah’s witnesses a Christian congregation ?

The day you respond to that is the day you know being called one of Jehovah’s witness is irrelevant

Aemmyjah:
Why then did Moses told the people that a prophet greater than him is coming and they should listen to him?
The whole arrangement of burnt and sin offering, the priesthood and the Tabernacle would have made no sense of they were following the Jesus, someone they did not even know

Another simple way to look at it.

Do you agree that Jesus Christ is the Word of God?
If so, the entire old testament has the word of God and those who followed the words of the prophets were following the word of God (Jesus Christ)
This is the simplest way I can explain it to you.

Who are Christians and who are Jehovah's Witnesses?

tctrills:
Very good question and your question actually proves what I have been saying. From the early stage Moses and all prophets were pointing the people to Jesus Christ and their sacrifices were performed in similitude to his. So clearly their whole religion was about following Jesus Christ.
One more thing,
Jesus Christ taught that I and my Father are one so it is simply impossible to follow one and not follow the other.
Now if your argument is that people in the Old Testament did not have all the teachings of Christ as we presently do, then you are right but then Isaiah makes us understand
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

So we expect more revelations as time goes on.

Again the the Book of Hebrew we learn
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

So both in the Old and New Testament, it was the word of God revealed. There is no difference between the word of God and the word of Christ

On the highlighted
Are they the same person or 2 different persons

Aemmyjah:
On the highlighted
Are they the same person or 2 different persons

Not the same person but it's impossible to follow one and not follow the other.
As I said, Jesus Christ is the word of God. You can't accept The Father without his word.
And every single prophet in the old testament was declaring the Word of God.

John 5:39-47
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

The sacrifices of the old testament were made in preparation of his coming.

The law and the prophets find fulfillment in him. That means they all were pointing to him so when you follow the law, it leads to Christ.

The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ

Matthew 5:17-18

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

tctrills:
Not the same person but it's impossible to follow one and not follow the other.
As I said, Jesus Christ is the word of God. You can't accept The Father without his word.
And every single prophet in the old testament was declaring the Word of God.

John 5:39-47
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

The sacrifices of the old testament were made in preparation of his coming.

The law and the prophets find fulfillment in him. That means they all were pointing to him so when you follow the law, it leads to Christ.

The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ

Matthew 5:17-18

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So how many of the law of moses are we to follow today?

Michael547:
So how many of the law of moses are we to follow today?

Please explain why this question is important.
I have already taught you that
24. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The only purpose of the law was to bring you to Christ.
Christ is the central purpose of the law of Moses.
The law is fulfilled in him.
The Jews who followed the law as their school master ended up in Christ.
How is that too hard for you to understand.
Now the law began with Moses but before the law, for example in the days of Abraham, what do you think christian worship was based on.

tctrills:
Another simple way to look at it.

Do you agree that Jesus Christ is the Word of God?
If so, the entire old testament has the word of God and those who followed the words of the prophets were following the word of God (Jesus Christ)
This is the simplest way I can explain it to you.

You clearly stated up here that the entire old testament has the word of God which is 'Jesus Christ'. And you said that those who follow the words of the prophets were actually following Christ.

So why should we stop following the old testament today that contains the law of moses and the prophets since it means following Christ?

Please explain why this question is important.
I have already taught you that
24. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The only purpose of the law was to bring you to Christ.
Christ is the central purpose of the law of Moses.
The law is fulfilled in him.
The Jews who followed the law as their school master ended up in Christ.
How is that too hard for you to understand.
Now the law began with Moses but before the law, for example in the days of Abraham, what do you think christian worship was based on.

You claim here that the law led to Christ. But up there you said following the law itself meant following Christ. So there is actually nothing new about the new testament since People have always discovered Christ and has been following him from the old testament by following the law according to you.

Michael547:
You clearly stated up here that the entire old testament has the word of God which is 'Jesus Christ'. And you said that those who follow the words of the prophets were actually following Christ.

So why should we stop following the old testament today that contains the law of moses and the prophets since it means following Christ?



You claim here that the law led to Christ. But up there you said following the law itself meant following Christ. So there is actually nothing new about the new testament since People have always discovered Christ and has been following him from the old testament by following the law according to you.

I am not sure you understand anything I said.
But I will make it very easy for you.
Imagine you are on a ten mile journey,
Let's take the old testament as the first mile and the new testament as the second mile.
Now both the person in the first mile and the person in the second mile are all heading the same direction and to the same destination.
Now your last sentence, I have already answered or should I say Paul already answered, the law was a school master to lead us to Christ.
I gave you another verse that says Christ is the fulfillment of the law.
But scriptures clearly tell you that the law ultimately leads to Christ.
If you follow the law, it was meant to lead you to Christ and Christ was meant to lead you to the Father.
Now I did not write the scripture so the question should be, do you believe the word of God?
This isn't about what you nor I says, it's about what the scriptures teach.

Are you a Christian or you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

tctrills:
Another simple way to look at it.

Do you agree that Jesus Christ is the Word of God?
If so, the entire old testament has the word of God and those who followed the words of the prophets were following the word of God (Jesus Christ)
This is the simplest way I can explain it to you.

You clearly stated up here that the entire old testament has the word of God which is 'Jesus Christ'. And you said that those who follow the words of the prophets were actually following Christ.

So why should we stop following the old testament today that contains the law of moses and the prophets since it means following Christ?

I am not sure you understand anything I said.
But I will make it very easy for you.
Imagine you are on a ten mile journey,
Let's take the old testament as the first mile and the new testament as the second mile.
Now both the person in the first mile and the person in the second mile are all heading the same direction and to the same destination.
Now your last sentence, I have already answered or should I say Paul already answered, the law was a school master to lead us to Christ.
I gave you another verse that says Christ is the fulfillment of the law.
But scriptures clearly tell you that the law ultimately leads to Christ.
If you follow the law, it was meant to lead you to Christ and Christ was meant to lead you to the Father.
Now I did not write the scripture so the question should be, do you believe the word of God?
This isn't about what you nor I says, it's about what the scriptures teach.

Compare what you said here with what you said at the top.

Michael547:
So how many of the law of moses are we to follow today?

😂🤣😂😂

You are tired of default question

Michael547:
You clearly stated up here that the entire old testament has the word of God which is 'Jesus Christ'. And you said that those who follow the words of the prophets were actually following Christ.

So why should we stop following the old testament today that contains the law of moses and the prophets since it means following Christ?



Compare what you said here with what you said at the top.

Hanged again, e enter default mode of asking question.

tctrills:
I am not sure you understand anything I said.
But I will make it very easy for you.
Imagine you are on a ten mile journey,
Let's take the old testament as the first mile and the new testament as the second mile.
Now both the person in the first mile and the person in the second mile are all heading the same direction and to the same destination.
Now your last sentence, I have already answered or should I say Paul already answered, the law was a school master to lead us to Christ.
I gave you another verse that says Christ is the fulfillment of the law.
But scriptures clearly tell you that the law ultimately leads to Christ.
If you follow the law, it was meant to lead you to Christ and Christ was meant to lead you to the Father.
Now I did not write the scripture so the question should be, do you believe the word of God?
This isn't about what you nor I says, it's about what the scriptures teach.

He don hang again

You clearly stated up here that the entire old testament has the word of God which is 'Jesus Christ'. And you said that those who follow the words of the prophets were actually following Christ.

So why should we stop following the old testament today that contains the law of moses and the prophets since it means following Christ?
I never said you should stop following the old testament. Even Jesus Christ quoted from the old testament to overcome temptation.
But then I gave you the perfect analogy.
If you are on a ten mile race, both the person on mile 2 and the person on mile one are both heading the same direction.
It doesn't make sense for the person on mile 2 to go back to mile one since he has already fulfill mile one.
So again to the verses I quoted. The law is a school master to lead you to Christ now Christ has fulfilled the law.
Now, we learnt earlier that both the old and new testament contains the word of God right.
You also need to learn that the house of God is orderly and not divided.
You seem to believe that there is a division between the Father's people and Jesus Christ's people. But this makes no sense. Remember, I and my Father are one.
There is no division. If you are a follower of the Father, you are most definitely a follower of the son.

Are you a Christian or you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

tctrills:
You clearly stated up here that the entire old testament has the word of God which is 'Jesus Christ'. And you said that those who follow the words of the prophets were actually following Christ.

So why should we stop following the old testament today that contains the law of moses and the prophets since it means following Christ?
I never said you should stop following the old testament. Even Jesus Christ quoted from the old testament to overcome temptation.
But then I gave you the perfect analogy.
If you are on a ten mile race, both the person on mile 2 and the person on mile one are both heading the same direction.
It doesn't make sense for the person on mile 2 to go back to mile one since he has already fulfill mile one.
So again to the verses I quoted. The law is a school master to lead you to Christ now Christ has fulfilled the law.
Now, we learnt earlier that both the old and new testament contains the word of God right.
You also need to learn that the house of God is orderly and not divided.
You seem to believe that there is a division between the Father's people and Jesus Christ's people. But this makes no sense. Remember, I and my Father are one.
There is no division. If you are a follower of the Father, you are most definitely a follower of the son.

Which of the laws of the old testament are we no longer to follow today?

So how many of the old testament laws are we to follow today since following them means following Christ?

Michael547:
Which of the laws of the old testament are we no longer to follow today?

So how many of the old testament laws are we to follow today since following them means following Christ?

Christ has already answered and I have already shared that verse with you.
Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

tctrills:
I never said you should stop following the old testament. Even Jesus Christ quoted from the old testament to overcome temptation.
But then I gave you the perfect analogy.
If you are on a ten mile race, both the person on mile 2 and the person on mile one are both heading the same direction.
It doesn't make sense for the person on mile 2 to go back to mile one since he has already fulfill mile one.
So again to the verses I quoted. The law is a school master to lead you to Christ now Christ has fulfilled the law.
Now, we learnt earlier that both the old and new testament contains the word of God right.
You also need to learn that the house of God is orderly and not divided.
You seem to believe that there is a division between the Father's people and Jesus Christ's people. But this makes no sense. Remember, I and my Father are one.
There is no division. If you are a follower of the Father, you are most definitely a follower of the son.

So which of the old testament law can be categorized as 'mile one' according to you?

Christ has already answered and I have already shared that verse with you.
Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So is Jesus saying that we should still follow all the Old testament laws?

Michael547:
So which of the old testament law can be categorized as 'mile one' according to you?


So is Jesus saying that we should still follow all the Old testament laws?

For your second question, I have answered more than once. Please go back to my older posts and pay attention.
Now for the fírst, let me give you a few examples.
1.
Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:
2
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
3
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

These 3 examples should be enough for you

tctrills:
For your second question, I have answered more than once. Please go back to my older posts and pay attention.
Now for the fírst, let me give you a few examples.
1.
Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:
2
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
3
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

These 3 examples should be enough for you

Why would Jesus change the laws above since following the old laws also meant following Christ?

So apart from the ones that Jesus mentioned here......we should follow the rest of the old testament laws right?

Michael547:
Why would Jesus change the laws above since following the old laws also meant following Christ?

So apart from the ones that Jesus mentioned here......we should follow the rest of the old testament laws right?

For your second question, read your Bible for more these are just a few examples.
For your first question, that should be a question to Jesus Christ. But he is the law giver and he has the right to change it. I will not question his authority and you shouldn't either.