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Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 8:17pm On Sep 08, 2024
Steep:
good question, if they would actually not dodge it as usual.
you are praising someone

Okay who is being referred to in Psalm 89:27 was it Jesus or David. Whatever you answer also answer why the throne of Christ was referred to has the throne of David

Oh wasn't Jacob abi Israel also referred to as firstborn, hmm, let's not bring out all of them yet. Please answer
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Steep(m): 8:18pm On Sep 08, 2024
gohf:
Here is your answer
Luke.12.12 - for the Holy Spirit will teach you what needs to be said even as you are standing there."
John.14.26 - But when the Father sends the Counselor as my representative--and by the Counselor I mean the Holy Spirit--he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I myself have told you.
1Tim.4.1 - Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe; they will follow lying spirits and teachings that come from demons.
1John.2.27 - But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you all things, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So continue in what he has taught you, and continue to live in Christ.
you have not answered the question is the holy Spirit a person?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Steep(m): 8:20pm On Sep 08, 2024
gohf:
you are praising someone

Okay who is being referred to in Psalm 89:27 was it Jesus or David. Whatever you answer also answer why the throne of Christ was referred to has the throne of David

Oh wasn't Jacob abi Israel also referred to as firstborn, hmm, let's not bring out all of them yet. Please answer
don't change the question, is the holy Spirit a person?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 8:20pm On Sep 08, 2024
Kingsempires:
So is it that all the jws are running away from my question or my question can't be answered.if there is no answer to the question i ask on this thread that means Jesus is not only lord but God.
🤣🤣🤣 so you dont believe that Jesus was the only begotten son of God, firstborn of the ressurection
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 8:22pm On Sep 08, 2024
Steep:
you have not answered the question is the holy Spirit a person?
if you cant accept my answer which is what was written me i dont understand what your point is.

So you cannot ask the Holy Spirit abi, expect he is someone you can see and touch abi 🤣🤣🤣
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 8:24pm On Sep 08, 2024
Steep:
don't change the question, is the holy Spirit a person?
changing which question, oga stop hiding under false pretext.

I have read some of your responses and you either do not know the Holy Spirit not to speak of having him in your life.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 8:27pm On Sep 08, 2024
Kingsempires:
So is Jesus created by God or his is God.psa89;26-27 did'nt mention representative it said that he will make him his first-born so God was saying this direct to david.
🤣🤣🤣 they even answered you after all your bragging and boosting and this what you came up with 😂😂😂😆😆😆
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 8:28pm On Sep 08, 2024
Kingsempires:
That is a contradicting commentary
😲 🤣😂🤣😂

michael547 you tried o
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Steep(m): 8:38pm On Sep 08, 2024
gohf:
if you cant accept my answer which is what was written me i dont understand what your point is.

So you cannot ask the Holy Spirit abi, expect he is someone you can see and touch abi 🤣🤣🤣
you provided no answer. You are confused.


Did I ask him if he is someone you can see or touch? You even calling the holy Spirit someone? Yet you don't know if he is a person or not?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Steep(m): 8:39pm On Sep 08, 2024
gohf:
changing which question, oga stop hiding under false pretext.

I have read some of your responses and you either do not know the Holy Spirit not to speak of having him in your life.
you are confused.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 8:56pm On Sep 08, 2024
Steep:
you are confused.
hahaha 🤣🤣😂🤣
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by johnw47:
gohf:
This is what John wrote

1John.5.7 - For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.


Where did we find trinity in the bible or that there are 3gods

Why is this issue seemly forced, can't they be the three witnesses must they be three God's?
1john 5:7, it doesn't appear the kjv verse is accurate

NAS 1Jn 5:6  This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 
NAS 1Jn 5:7  For there are three that testify: 
NAS 1Jn 5:8  the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Gabrielshow24: 12:51am On Sep 09, 2024
gohf:
Jesus Christ is Lord!.... but he is not God, indeed he is king and divine but he isn't God.

The basis of true faith is to believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and not that Jesus Christ is God.

Matt.16.15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
Matt.16.16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Matt.16.17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Jesus himself said, John 14:28, "I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I."

Demons did not call Jesus God, even though they are lying spirits whose accounts we shouldn't believe Luke.8.28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before Him, and with a loud voice said, "What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me!"


Then what about an angel, Gabriel who had visited Daniel who then visited Mary and said to her,
Luke.1.31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.
Luke.1.32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.


There is the Lord Jesus and the Lord God... Ps.110.1 The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."

Some even say that the name of Jesus which is higher than every other name is higher than the name of the Father. Not even consider that a son bears his father's name.

Let me use an easier translation so we don't speak too many words, what did Paul say
1Cor.15.27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
1Cor.15.28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

This was Paul who Phil.2.9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,... Jesus did not give himself a name, it was God the Father that gave him a name.

When John writes about testing every spirit, prophecy to verify genuine prophets from false prophets he wrote
1John.4.2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
1John.4.3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.


The question now is what can you call a person or a spirit that says Jesus is God, for God is spirit revealed by Jesus himself but we are to believe that Jesus came in the flesh and is currently resurrected in his body at the right hand of the Father.

The devil is an author of confusion that is why those who are confused claim to be spiritual and that things of the spirit cannot be understood even when John, Jesus, Isaiah affirmed that the spirit gives understanding. How can Jesus be at the right-hand of himself.

You who believe such are the reason why the truth of God is held in contempt as the world views you as being to gullible to believe every nonsense you hear. And the true believers see you as a child tossed to and fro by strange doctrines born out of the imaginations of men.


I who have met the real Jesus testify to you that Jesus and the Father are not the same, yes they are one because they are united as a husband and wife are one in unity but not the same in personality or person.

Jesus is the word of God, and he is divine, the very manifestation of God's word full of grace and truth but he is not God the speaker. He himself testifies of God the Father, as the one who sent him, as the one who testifies of him the son, as the one who does the works.

If Jesus is God he would reveal himself as God and not have to humble himself to God who is above and above all, revealing God the father. Jesus is divine because he is like God, having the likeness of God but the in the image of man to bear our sins.

This post is to reveal who Jesus is, the real Jesus sent by the Father, that those who listen and obey him will be saved. This is the spirit of prophecy, the testimony of Jesus. Blessed is he who understands and sees him.
Nice idea but still missing a few details.
Jesus is God because he has the fullness of God. Hence the argument becomes segregation based on capacity and identity.

Hence based on capacity he is God but based on identity he is not. From the identity point of view we can identify him as a son of God and from the capacity pov as God. Hence it's a two sided coin you can't take one and leave the other you take it all.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 5:06am On Sep 09, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Nice idea but still missing a few details.
Jesus is God because he has the fullness of God. Hence the argument becomes segregation based on capacity and identity.

Hence based on capacity he is God but based on identity he is not. From the identity point of view we can identify him as a son of God and from the capacity pov as God. Hence it's a two sided coin you can't take one and leave the other you take it all.
am I now the Holy Spirit because I am full of the Spirit?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 5:08am On Sep 09, 2024
johnw47:
1john 5:7, it doesn't appear the kjv verse is accurate

NAS 1Jn 5:6  This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 
NAS 1Jn 5:7  For there are three that testify: 
NAS 1Jn 5:8  the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
wait o why ain't the spirit blood and water also a trinity god upon the earth
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 5:25am On Sep 09, 2024
gohf:
you can't even help yourself and stop lying and bearing false witness. Go and repent
Something that has been said.and seen since August.2, you really have nothing to.say.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 5:34am On Sep 09, 2024
gohf:
"shame the Lies told by a thousand scribes" your exact words
What i said is clearly stated which is
"We know Truth when we see or hear it and Truth from an illliterate will put to shame the Lies told by a thousand scribes"

And everyone saw it.

An no wbere did i say "all the authors of the old testament books liars," it is you who said it and it is you who Lie.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by johnw47: 5:46am On Sep 09, 2024
gohf:
wait o why ain't the spirit blood and water also a trinity god upon the earth
wait o why don't you tell me, that is if i was interested, which i'm not
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 3:45pm On Sep 09, 2024
StillDtruth:
What i said is clearly stated which is
"We know Truth when we see or hear it and Truth from an illliterate will put to shame the Lies told by a thousand scribes"

And everyone saw it.

An no wbere did i say "all the authors of the old testament books liars," it is you who said it and it is you who Lie.
you can pretend to be silly and play dumb if you want.

That was your response to this

so king James knows better scribes that wrote thousand copies of scriptures?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 5:17pm On Sep 09, 2024
Jesus is not God but the people who gathered the bible you are using believe Jesus is God
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 6:51pm On Sep 09, 2024
gohf:
you can pretend to be silly and play dumb if you want.

That was your response to this

so king James knows better scribes that wrote thousand copies of scriptures?
As revelation Said, you can keep lying and twisting when God Comes, you shall get your reward
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Emusan(m): 11:51am On Sep 11, 2024
gohf:
You asked MetaAi because like steel you cannot ask nor hear the Holy Spirit, maybe you don't even have the ear to hear 😲 so sorry but why not ask the Holy Spirit given to us and sent to us
Why all this rant?

I thought you already said good bye...

Deal with your frustrated life first before coming online to discuss issue you have no understanding about.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by armchairscholar: 12:36pm On Sep 11, 2024
gohf:
Jesus Christ is Lord!.... but he is not God, indeed he is king and divine but he isn't God.

The basis of true faith is to believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and not that Jesus Christ is God.

Matt.16.15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
Matt.16.16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Matt.16.17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Jesus himself said, John 14:28, "I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I."

Demons did not call Jesus God, even though they are lying spirits whose accounts we shouldn't believe Luke.8.28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before Him, and with a loud voice said, "What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me!"


Then what about an angel, Gabriel who had visited Daniel who then visited Mary and said to her,
Luke.1.31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.
Luke.1.32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.


There is the Lord Jesus and the Lord God... Ps.110.1 The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."

Some even say that the name of Jesus which is higher than every other name is higher than the name of the Father. Not even consider that a son bears his father's name.

Let me use an easier translation so we don't speak too many words, what did Paul say
1Cor.15.27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
1Cor.15.28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

This was Paul who Phil.2.9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,... Jesus did not give himself a name, it was God the Father that gave him a name.

When John writes about testing every spirit, prophecy to verify genuine prophets from false prophets he wrote
1John.4.2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
1John.4.3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.


The question now is what can you call a person or a spirit that says Jesus is God, for God is spirit revealed by Jesus himself but we are to believe that Jesus came in the flesh and is currently resurrected in his body at the right hand of the Father.

The devil is an author of confusion that is why those who are confused claim to be spiritual and that things of the spirit cannot be understood even when John, Jesus, Isaiah affirmed that the spirit gives understanding. How can Jesus be at the right-hand of himself.

You who believe such are the reason why the truth of God is held in contempt as the world views you as being to gullible to believe every nonsense you hear. And the true believers see you as a child tossed to and fro by strange doctrines born out of the imaginations of men.


I who have met the real Jesus testify to you that Jesus and the Father are not the same, yes they are one because they are united as a husband and wife are one in unity but not the same in personality or person.

Jesus is the word of God, and he is divine, the very manifestation of God's word full of grace and truth but he is not God the speaker. He himself testifies of God the Father, as the one who sent him, as the one who testifies of him the son, as the one who does the works.

If Jesus is God he would reveal himself as God and not have to humble himself to God who is above and above all, revealing God the father. Jesus is divine because he is like God, having the likeness of God but the in the image of man to bear our sins.

This post is to reveal who Jesus is, the real Jesus sent by the Father, that those who listen and obey him will be saved. This is the spirit of prophecy, the testimony of Jesus. Blessed is he who understands and sees him.
This dude really claimed that he met the real Jesus cheesy
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 1:09pm On Sep 13, 2024
armchairscholar:
This dude really claimed that he met the real Jesus cheesy
Yes do you want to meet him as well
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 1:13pm On Sep 13, 2024
Emusan:
Why all this rant?

I thought you already said good bye...

Deal with your frustrated life first before coming online to discuss issue you have no understanding about.
Asking the Holy Spirit is now rant to you.

Treating others with contempt and ridiculing their as frustrating is what your heart tells you to do.

With all your understanding this is what comes out from you.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 1:21pm On Sep 13, 2024
Kingsempires:
Jesus is not God but the people who gathered the bible you are using believe Jesus is God
who are the "people who gathered" the bible that believe Jesus is God?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Emusan(m): 1:51pm On Sep 13, 2024
gohf:
Asking the Holy Spirit is now rant to you.
Your rant!

Read and understand.

Treating others with contempt and ridiculing their as frustrating is what your heart tells you to do.
Guilty conscience.

With all your understanding this is what comes out from you.
Yes and you read it loud and clear!
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 1:55pm On Sep 13, 2024
Emusan:
Your rant!

Read and understand.



Guilty conscience.



Yes and you read it loud and clear!
you are truly unrepentant ah well what was i expecting from you anyway 😩😩

Continue in your way
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Emusan(m): 2:11pm On Sep 13, 2024
gohf:
you are truly unrepentant ah well what was i expecting from you anyway 😩😩
Say God the Almighty

Continue in your way
I don't have way, I only follow Jesus way!
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 2:15pm On Sep 13, 2024
Emusan:
Say God the Almighty



I don't have way, I only follow Jesus way!
which Jesus, is he the son of God who came in flesh, humbled Himself to the father and died and rose again and is seated at the right hand of the Father or is it your imaginary Jesus who you claim is God of heaven?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Emusan(m): 2:30pm On Sep 13, 2024
gohf:
which Jesus, is he the son of God who came in flesh, humbled Himself to the father and died and rose again and is seated at the right hand of the Father or is it your imaginary Jesus who you claim is God of heaven?
Yes! Jesus the Almighty God the Creator of Heavens and the Earth, the ETERNAL LIFE HIMSELF, Lord and Savior of the World.

Any more question?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by gohf(op): 2:33pm On Sep 13, 2024
Emusan:
Yes! Jesus the Almighty God the Creator of Heavens and the Earth, the ETERNAL LIFE HIMSELF, Lord and Savior of the World.

Any more question?
😂😂😂😂
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