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EmperorTolson:
This is pure ignorance, it's basically because you're not exposed. So many things are happening that you're not aware of.

Even if a thousand lecturers teach a course, one or all of those lecturers will have access to the questions before the exams start.
This means if you know the right man, you can have access to the question an hour or less before the exam starts even with the answer booklet. Some students can even do their own outside the exam hall and we submit with others who wrote theirs inside the exam hall.

So, please don't argue, anything is impossible, and the level of human corruption should not be underestimated.
Thanks.

Anything is possible in the mind but reality is usually very different. My only advice to you is try to ask people in medical schools how they do their exams.

Someone is telling you how things goes you are saying its pure ignorance. Even your argument as to why you feel so only proves you don't even know how their exams goes.

The person you are describing is the coordinator of the course. That person only coordinates 1 course. Even if it happens you still have to struggle to pass clinical exams and oral exams. If you manage to scale through that 1 course how about the other courses you are doing in that class. Each has different coordinators. How about the next class and so on. A coordinator only handles 1 course throughout so no chance of that coordinator helping you again.

In medicine get 100/100 in your written exams, if you fail clinical exams you have failed that course. Most times these exams are coordinated by external examiners from other schools same with oral exams. The amount of check and balance that is put in place is crazy. Is why you will be frustrated if you want to cheat. How many people you 1 bribe or sleep with over 6 years. How do you even get past the external examiners that you just see only during exam and probably never again your life.

Gggjhhj:
My ex a medical student was sleeping with her HOD, with the hope of getting a smooth ride in mbbs, me I was always advising her to read, never knew she is putting her hope on a big god, failed exam and reseat and failed, she repeated the first mbbs class and still got disappointed in the process of wanting to pass her exam she slept with more people, she nearly killed herself when she got the 2nd fail, she changed to medlab, she is 7years in school, she go soon do normal 2 generation in school, funnily she still dae year 4.....she is actually the oldest person in school now

Your grammar is terrible.

Normal thing in all tertiary institutions in Nigeria

Gggjhhj:
My ex a medical student was sleeping with her HOD, with the hope of getting a smooth ride in mbbs, me I was always advising her to read, never knew she is putting her hope on a big god, failed exam and reseat and failed, she repeated the first mbbs class and still got disappointed in the process of wanting to pass her exam she slept with more people, she nearly killed herself when she got the 2nd fail, she changed to medlab, she is 7years in school, she go soon do normal 2 generation in school, funnily she still dae year 4.....she is actually the oldest person in school now

You mean she is the oldest person in the whole school? Sorry, this made me laugh...

nlfpmod:
Lol. I've seen this

Me too. It was so odd to me...I was wondering what I came to the hospital for, when I can as well check google myself.

tnerro1:
Go to hospitals , especially one in area 11 of Abuja and small small girls who are supposed to be doctors checking google for medical information of the patient sitting in front of them😞😞

So if you see me in the clinic during my posting asking you question while checking to phone or my textbook to arrive at a diagnosis, you'd assume I'm a quack?
I am a student in training, I have to perfect the skill by following a guide.

Meanwhile, not everyone you see on the ward is a Doctor. Or maybe not yet.

aysnoopy:
Are u saying the lecturer will not be the one to mark the scripts?

Here's how it works
THEORY
5 or 6 questions in theory (each question is marked by a different lecturer), after that, he will send his scores on an excel file, and when everybody finished, the completed excel file is viewed by all lecturers.
MCQ/SBA/OBJECTIVE
usually marked by the HOD, maybe sorting may occur here but there is still a problem

CLINICALS
Long case: at least 2 examiners (1 internal lecturer, 1 external lecturer)
Short case: at least 2 different set of examiners (1 internal lecturer, 1 external lecturer)

VIVA
at least 2 different set of examiners (1 internal lecturer, 1 external lecturer)

External Lecturers are high ranking lecturers called from other school (have never le6ctured in the school)

The external examiners review the markings from the other exams, even the questions and how each candidate did
All the scores are collated in the meeting, everybody gets a copy, and all external examiners take a copy on their way home


Yeah you can cheat in some parts, to just get a bit of advantage, but that advantage is watered down to a high level

sulaak:
Your grammar is terrible.

Atleast you understood, or you just feel to act stupid, alot of persons read through same thing you complaining and I felt they understood what I wrote

Edusouls:
Sons and daughters from the cursed race africa keep it up 👍, when they say that black color resembles a deep soul curse from nature they say it’s nonsense talk from the whiteman, but all of them are praying for visa to a whitemans country for Goodlife…what really cursed Africans beyond redemption is what am trying to figure out

Lol 😂. If only you are white lol. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But are not. YOUR COURSED! accept it whole heartedly.

Kayceo2010:
I'm a medical student, to be honest, even though you pay or sleep with any lecturer, one person can't pass you on any course. The way it's structured, over 8 lecturers handle one course, and it's usually mixed with male and female lecturers. How many do you think you'll sleep with just to pass if one lecturer only has 10 marks to give out, out of 60 marks required to pass. It's usually difficult to pay or sleep with lecturers to pass in medical school. Trust me

Edit: one of our students wey be VC pikin failed one course, heaven no fall, he had to repeat. Medical school doesn't follow any rules given by the school. Even their exam time table sometimes differs from that of the school in general.

Yeah you’re right. But exam questions get leaked out. This I have witnessed before

Someone here claiming to be a doctor said OP is hating cause doctors fraternity of always standing by each other. I'm glad this has finally come out openly. Look at any case of malpractice by a doctor. If you tell them a doctor said what he did was wrong. Instead of remorse, he will be asking for the name of the doctor or asking if the person is sure the person saying he did wrong is a doctor because it is not allowed. Doctor union in Nigeria is like a gang. They see no wrong in whatever wrong they do

blowjohn:
Good points/observations.

But:

In medical school, u have so many lecturers teaching u that u cannot pay for all.

And not all consultants will collect money, take note.


Even year 5 ( path and pharm) how many consultants do u want to sort? Or can u sort?

Even if u sort, if u more write well, the lecturer can be unable to pass u cos, like in most instances, 5 lecturers can mark just one script( 5 lecturers can contribute 7 questions in one particular department). So the bulk still lies on the medical student to write well, cos as they are marking, other lecturers can scrutinize other answers.


Again, during Viva exam( oral exam) trust me: IF SORTED AND PASSED THE WRITTEN EXAM AND U CANNOT ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN ASKED IN FRONT OF LET'S SAY, 5 CONSULTANTS, THEY WILL BRING OUT UR SCRIPT AND SCRUTINIZE IT AND FAIL U THERE!



Many consultants even fear to pass any lazy medical students ( in fact the moment u fail and are eligible for a resit exam eh, they already see u as a failure).

Again, take note that even those that sort most times do so, not because they cannot pass.... But because there are limited slots to move to the next level. Every medical school has a quota. Some can only graduate 30 doctors per session, some more,.

At the end of the day u may find out that even those that sort may be even better doctors.

Cos everybody dey read like say tomorrow no dey for medical school.


Now after medical school, ur hands play a huge role in how good u are.

Less cramming of big text books.
More practice of what u have been taught.

The bolded is so true.
You even forgot clinicals like Int Med, Gen Surg etc. Even if they sort the written exams, they can't sort the long and short cases. How dem wan sort a whole panel of 5 or 6 consultants from different departments looking at you present a case?

aysnoopy:
Are u saying the lecturer will not be the one to mark the scripts?

Most likely not

bizzibodi:
I dnt understand this slot you talking about...u mean if they want 20 students in d next class & 20 or less it must be even if 30 passed?
What you mean everybody read like no tomorrow,is it not about answering questions correctly?

They would increase the pass mark so that 20 students can pass

bdon123:
For serious ailments not minor .... it shows their not as smart as old doctors

While that is true, a lot of patient come to the hospital saying that they have malaria and typhoid or craw craw, not knowing that based on their symptoms, it is worse than that. Just because the doctor has a poker face doesn't mean he is not suspect a more insidious diagnosis based on your "typhoid and malaria" symptoms

From personal experience, one thing I google is drug dosages, especially for children, the amount of antibiotics syrup I will give to a newborn is different from what I will give to a one year old and a 3 year old. Although I can calculate a lot of figures from my head, I prefer a calculator for accuracy, besides another reason to Google is if a certain drug is safe for certain populations of people. I can never be caught dead giving, most hypertensive drugs, tetracycline or ciprofloxacin to a pregnant or nursing mother.

Another instance where one needs to google is skin diseases, because they look different in black people than white people you see in medical textbooks.

I have diagnosed many cases of Tuberculosis and HIV and 2 cases of leprosy, one patau syndrome and many more so far in my practice. Just by googling pictures.

I also helped diagnose a woman who had spent over 3.8 million naira in what she and her previous doctors believed to be ulcer that she was suffering from only to question her further and realize that the lady symptoms were because she was going through MENOPAUSE.

phantom:
Really? 😂 😂... on a serious note, I don't doubt these things happen... its a symptom of the larger societal and governmental failure BUT I can bet you it's not as bad as it is in other courses and departments.

Medical school is still largely reputable in Nigeria. Take it to the bank.

When I was in med school, we had these same things back then but those involved were minute. I'm not sure it's much different today.

Are you still in UPTH

DrFunmisticGlow:
While that is true, a lot of patient come to the hospital saying that they have malaria and typhoid or craw craw, not knowing that based on their symptoms, it is worse than that. Just because the doctor has a poker face doesn't mean he is not suspect a more insidious diagnosis based on your "typhoid and malaria" symptoms

From personal experience, one thing I google is drug dosages, especially for children, the amount of antibiotics syrup I will give to a newborn is different from what I will give to a one year old and a 3 year old. Although I can calculate a lot of figures from my head, I prefer a calculator for accuracy, besides another reason to Google is if a certain drug is safe for certain populations of people. I can never be caught dead giving, most hypertensive drugs, tetracycline or ciprofloxacin to a pregnant or nursing mother.

Another instance where one needs to google is skin diseases, because they look different in black people than white people you see in medical textbooks.

I have diagnosed many cases of Tuberculosis and HIV and 2 cases of leprosy, one patau syndrome and many more so far in my practice. Just by googling pictures.

Sometimes I Google side effects and drug drug interactions. Many docs don't pay attention to those

jaephoenix:
Sometimes I Google side effects and drug drug interactions. Many docs don't pay attention to those

True because it happens to only a few people in the grand scheme of things. It is also not really our field of study but the real experts on side effects will be pharmacists and pharmacologists. They are who I consult for side effects especially the rarer ones.

bdon123:
Like we dont regularly see doctors checking for symptoms of mere simple cases on google

There is no way they would memorize all the symptoms for all hundreds of diseases out there. Checking the reference is allowed sometimes.

Gggjhhj:
U don see am bro, if to say I no check her phone I no go know say she dae help other ppl

My helper oooh... where you dey!!!

ForumNL:
Lecturer leak questions
Students sleep with lecturers
Students pay lecturers

And after 6 yrs lives will be entrusted in their hands
No school is free of this
No school - be it North or South

Who needs them in this era of Google and AI

ForumNL:
Lecturer leak questions
Students sleep with lecturers
Students pay lecturers

And after 6 yrs lives will be entrusted in their hands
No school is free of this
No school - be it North or South

How can a mod send this nonsense to front page FFS!!

Seun, is this what you've turned your platform to??

It actually depends on the school actually. I know of a federal university wey their MBBS result dey come out after 2/3 days just to avoid any form of sorting/ cheating.

Also, no be only one person dey mark their exam, so honestly it's quite difficult, cos how many people you want sleep with or sort, cos you might not even know all ot them. Except the system has changed now though which I do not know, but when we go school those days na so e be.

jaephoenix:
The bolded is so true.
You even forgot clinicals like Int Med, Gen Surg etc. Even if they sort the written exams, they can't sort the long and short cases. How dem wan sort a whole panel of 5 or 6 consultants from different departments looking at you present a case?

100 percent ✅. Clinicals are crazy. Consultants coming in frm different states to teach and travel back.... All of them with different temperament.

Mikelangelo:
It actually depends on the school actually. I know of a federal university wey their MBBS result dey come out after 2/3 days just to avoid any form of sorting/ cheating.

Also, no be only one person dey mark their exam, so honestly it's quite difficult, cos how many people you want sleep with or sort, cos you might not even know all ot them. Except the system has changed now though which I do not know, but when we go school those days na so e be.

Even if one sorts 1 lecturer, if u don't score high marks in the other lecturers questions ( same department o), how will it help?
So it's not easy at all.

That's why even if they sort, u will notice that they still score high marks in courses or departments they didn't sort.
Cos the objective is the sum of the total.

blowjohn:
Even if one sorts 1 lecturer, if u don't score high marks in the other lecturers questions ( same department o), how will it help?
So it's not easy at all.

That's why even if they sort, u will notice that they still score high marks in courses or departments they didn't sort.
Cos the objective is the sum of the total.

Exactly 👌

Though I wouldn't be surprised if this nonsense happens in some very porous state universities.

Kayceo2010:
I'm a medical student, to be honest, even though you pay or sleep with any lecturer, one person can't pass you on any course. The way it's structured, over 8 lecturers handle one course, and it's usually mixed with male and female lecturers. How many do you think you'll sleep with just to pass if one lecturer only has 10 marks to give out, out of 60 marks required to pass. It's usually difficult to pay or sleep with lecturers to pass in medical school. Trust me

Edit: one of our students wey be VC pikin failed one course, heaven no fall, he had to repeat. Medical school doesn't follow any rules given by the school. Even their exam time table sometimes differs from that of the school in general.

whcih school are you ?

bdon123:
Like we dont regularly see doctors checking for symptoms of mere simple cases on google

Normal thing na.
The advantage that we have is that we know the wheat from the shafts as not all online articles are genuine. Medics occasionally checkup google to confirm dosage of medications, symptoms, progression of diseases and even at times treatment plans! It doesn't make them inferior or inept. in the hand of a knowledgeable doctor, the internet is a great tool

Medical school is like a military zone, the training is top notch.

While it may be possible to cheat your way or sort things out during the preclinical days, it's nigh impossible to do so throughout clinical postings as it is structured and we'll regulated with different components like OBJ, OSCE, OSPE, LONG CASES, SHORT CASES, VIVAS. And your final score is usually an aggregate. It's a group of lecturers who mark the scripts and external examiners are invited to supervise of which some of them are inherently extremely wicked and have the pendant to fail students.

Some underhandedness may occur in medical school occasionally but it's almost impossible to sail through via dirty means even if you're the son or daughter of a professor or even the VC

Gggjhhj:
My ex a medical student was sleeping with her HOD, with the hope of getting a smooth ride in mbbs, me I was always advising her to read, never knew she is putting her hope on a big god, failed exam and reseat and failed, she repeated the first mbbs class and still got disappointed in the process of wanting to pass her exam she slept with more people, she nearly killed herself when she got the 2nd fail, she changed to medlab, she is 7years in school, she go soon do normal 2 generation in school, funnily she still dae year 4.....she is actually the oldest person in school now

What would you expect when parents push their children to become medical doctors. Whether they have the gift or not.

ThatWriterBoy:
I wouldn't have believed you, but I have personally seen this happen. I stumbled on a lecturer's phone text messages (I wouldn't tell you how), and I saw numerous texts and credit alerts from some of my faculty mates (I'm not in MBBS but I'm in Basic Medical Sciences) for their Part 1 MB exams. No jokes.

This person na delsuite
Nothing you wan tell me

olabrad:
But one thing I can assure you of is that the VC's child will never fail the course a second time, even if she didn't do well in the exams. I know what I'm saying.

why did she fail the first time? Is it some sorta game?