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MaxInDHouse:
Did David believe in the coming Jewish Messiah?

It is not a prophecy.....

Max in a performing group....
It is a song meant to be sung during weekly worship..
David was a Messiah, he knew that all coming Messiah will be his children..because God promised him that the Sceptre will not depart from his family....

Do you understand?

Youareforgiven:
✝ 2 Chronicles 7:4

"Then the king and all the people offered sacrifices before the LORD."

KJV Bible✝ 2 Chronicles 7:5

"And king Solomon offered a sacrifice of twenty and two thousand oxen, and a hundred and twenty thousand sheep: so the king and all the people dedicated the house of God."

KJV Bible

Why didn't you start from beginning?

In the absence of the temple?
Sacrifices are only done in a temple...so in the absence of a temple

What is obtainable?

sonmvayina:
David was a Messiah.

I can understand you!

MaxInDHouse:
I can understand you!

Messiah means "anointed king"

Jesus was not.....How did you even make the connection.

sonmvayina:
Messiah means "anointed king"
Jesus was not.....How did you even make the connection.

You're 1000% alright jàre!

When someone chooses to deceive himself it's best to just let him be!

David called the Messiah "my lord" yet you're saying all kings are Messiahs but in that same Psalms David wrote:

Jehovah has sworn an oath, and he will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever In the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek!” Psalms 110:4

So all the Kings of Israel are Priests forever like Melchizedek shey?

sonmvayina:
In the absence of the temple?
Sacrifices are only done in a temple...so in the absence of a temple

What is obtainable?

No excuse in law.
✝ Hebrews 9:22

"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."
✝ Leviticus 17:11

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."


In the absence of the sacrifice, your sins remains and every soul that sins must die.

Youareforgiven:
No excuse in law.
✝ Hebrews 9:22

"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."
✝ Leviticus 17:11

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."


In the absence of the sacrifice, your sins remains and every soul that sins must die.

Thanks for proving my point..

Blood /human sacrifice is a Christian ideology...it has got nothing to do with God.

Just repent, God will forgive..
A contrite heart you will not spurn...Psalm 50.

sonmvayina:
Thanks for proving my point..

Blood /human sacrifice is a Christian ideology...it has got nothing to do with God.

Just repent, God will forgive..
A contrite heart you will not spurn...Psalm 50.

Leviticus is no more in the old testament. You are the one seeing blood/human sacrifice. What I saw is someone taking my place in death that I truly deserved. What I saw is Jesus Christ been condemned that was meant for me.

Youareforgiven:
Leviticus is no more in the old testament. You are the one seeing blood/human sacrifice. What I saw is someone taking my place in death that I truly deserved. What I saw is Jesus Christ been condemned that was meant for me.

You purposely came to my thread just to insult me for my faith but if i offer to help you know verses that sonmvayina can't shy away from will you believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are witnesses of Christ Jesus for real?

Well if you want to silence sonmvayina the word of God is enough, you don't need to waste your time arguing with him because he knows next to nothing about God's arrangement to redeem mankind.

Why not quote this verse and ask him to say whatever comes up to his brain regarding this prophetic words from Isaiah?

Truly he himself carried our sicknesses, And he bore our pains. But we considered him as plagued, stricken by God and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgression; He was crushed for our errors. He bore the punishment for our peace, And because of his wounds we were healed. Like sheep we have all wandered about, Each has turned his own way, And Jehovah has caused the error of us all to meet up with him. He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted, But he would not open his mouth. He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter, Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers, And he would not open his mouth. Isaiah 53:4-7

Daniel also wrote this:

“And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself" Daniel 9:26

That's what faithful Jews believe about the Messiah or Christ that he will be cut off (Killed) for the salvation of mankind.

The above prophecies were all fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth in a perfect way so if anyone wants to argue regarding the sacrificial death of God's only begotten Son who died to save us let him go and edit the prophecy of Isaiah and Daniel.

May you have PEACE!

Youareforgiven:
Leviticus is no more in the old testament. You are the one seeing blood/human sacrifice. What I saw is someone taking my place in death that I truly deserved. What I saw is Jesus Christ been condemned that was meant for me.

Where did you get all these ideas from...

Do you even know what man is?
And what God is?

MaxInDHouse:
You purposely came to my thread just to insult me for my faith but if i offer to help you know verses that sonmvayina can't shy away from will you believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are witnesses of Christ Jesus for real?

Well if you want to silence sonmvayina the word of God is enough, you don't need to waste your time arguing with him because he knows next to nothing about God's arrangement to redeem mankind.

Why not quote this verse and ask him to say whatever comes up to his brain regarding this prophetic words from Isaiah?

Truly he himself carried our sicknesses, And he bore our pains. But we considered him as plagued, stricken by God and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgression; He was crushed for our errors. He bore the punishment for our peace, And because of his wounds we were healed. Like sheep we have all wandered about, Each has turned his own way, And Jehovah has caused the error of us all to meet up with him. He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted, But he would not open his mouth. He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter, Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers, And he would not open his mouth. Isaiah 53:4-7

Daniel also wrote this:

“And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself" Daniel 9:26

That's what faithful Jews believe about the Messiah or Christ that he will be cut off (Killed) for the salvation of mankind.

The above prophecies were all fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth in a perfect way so if anyone wants to argue regarding the sacrificial death of God's only begotten Son who died to save us let him go and edit the prophecy of Isaiah and Daniel.

May you have PEACE!

Olodo

See him quoting something I have told him a million times that the suffering servant is Israel..

You are so full of shit..

You are just not ready to learn.

Maximus, the suffering servant is Israel..stop taking text out of context...olodo, that's how you thrive..

Youareforgiven:
Leviticus is no more in the old testament. You are the one seeing blood/human sacrifice. What I saw is someone taking my place in death that I truly deserved. What I saw is Jesus Christ been condemned that was meant for me.

Human sacrifice has got nothing to do with God. It is an abomination to him...

Only molech accepts human sacrifice...that's who you are serving....

Animal sacrifice was allowed for unintentional sins...not human being.
God created us imperfect with the aim that we make mistakes and learn and grow and evolve....

Nobody is coming to save you, you are supposed to save yourself. That is the idea.

Gods mercy endureth for ever...

sonmvayina:
Olodo

See him quoting something I have told him a million times that the suffering servant is Israel..

You are so full of shit..

You are just not ready to learn.

Maximus, the suffering servant is Israel..stop taking text out of context...olodo, that's how you thrive..

Messiah will be cut off ńkọ́? Daniel 9:26

Is Israel the Messiah that will be cut off?

You lied that Psalms 110 was talking about Israelites kings as Messiahs yet verse 4 said he is a priest in the order of Melchizedek forever.

So are Israelite kings also priests?

JESUS ALWAYS HOLDS THE SCEPTRE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SINCE HE WAS BORN BY IT.

Iamanoited:
JESUS ALWAYS HOLDS THE SCEPTRE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SINCE HE WAS BORN BY IT.

JESUS HOLDS THE SCEPTRE OF
GRACE HOLINESS MERCY PURITY RIGHTEOUSNESS AND SOVEREIGNTY. ONLY GOD IS EQUAL.

MaxInDHouse:
Messiah will be cut off ńkọ́? Daniel 9:26

Is Israel the Messiah that will be cut off?

You lied that Psalms 110 was talking about Israelites kings as Messiahs yet verse 4 said he is a priest in the order of Melchizedek forever.

So are Israelite kings also priests?

You problem is that you are fond of removing text from it's context..that is why you keep missing the message...and what I discovered is that nearly every Christian here does that...read the whole story and learn the message it is passing across. We are expected to take the messages from the story and live by it. But you lot keep removing the text and spend all day arguing about it.
Isaiah is a continuous narrative..

Psalms are sung meant to be sung during worship., they are not prophesy and for good measure, a prophet is somebody that tells the truth,not somebody that predicts the future...

The Jewish concept of a Messiah is somebody who is anointed with a special oil to the service of God. This might include priest as well as kings.

The Messiah the Jews were expecting is an ordinary man from a royal family who will be a king/priest. Not a demi god. The idea of a demi god is alien to Judaism. That is my point.

I don't know how else to teach you..

The Messiah that is cut off might be Cyrus......who Fred the captives.,I have not really studied the history surrounding that passage. But you will understand that all these writings where done way way after the facts, so it is difficult to place...I will get to you on that..

sonmvayina:
You problem is that you are fond of removing text from it's context..that is why you keep missing the message...and what I discovered is that nearly every Christian here does that...read the whole story and learn the message it is passing across. We are expected to take the messages from the story and live by it. But you lot keep removing the text and spend all day arguing about it.
Isaiah is a continuous narrative..

Psalms are sung meant to be sung during worship., they are not prophesy and for good measure, a prophet is somebody that tells the truth,not somebody that predicts the future...

The Jewish concept of a Messiah is somebody who is anointed with a special oil to the service of God. This might include priest as well as kings.

The Messiah the Jews were expecting is an ordinary man from a royal family who will be a king/priest. Not a demi god. The idea of a demi god is alien to Judaism. That is my point.

I don't know how else to teach you..

Guy what does Daniel meant by saying Messiah will be cut off (killed) Jesus was killed that's what it means but if your Jewish landlord told you something else let me know!

MaxInDHouse:
When someone chooses to deceive himself it's best to just let him be!

David called the Messiah "my lord" yet you're saying all kings are Messiahs but in that same Psalms David wrote:

Jehovah has sworn an oath, and he will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever In the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek!” Psalms 110:4

So all the Kings of Israel are Priests forever like Melchizedek shey?

Stop dancing like a headless chicken.

Context is key....stop taking text out of its position. That why you keep missing the mark.
Leave it as it is and read everything.....you will see the messages in a new light.

sonmvayina:
The Messiah that is cut off might be Cyrus

Olódo!

So you're not even sure.

Yet you want to argue.

According to David's, Isaiah's and Daniel's prophecies the Messiah is a unique person who will be SACRIFICED for the sin of entire human race and Jesus of Nazareth fulfilled that.

So if someone is brainwashing you not to accept it simply because you hate churchians that's not my own fault!

sonmvayina:
Stop dancing like a headless chicken.
Context is key....stop taking text out of its position. That why you keep missing the mark.
Leave it as it is and read everything.....you will see the messages in a new light.

Oya read the context and point out where the name ISRAEL appears in those verses!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy what does Daniel meant by saying Messiah will be cut off (killed) Jesus was killed that's what it means but if your Jewish landlord told you something else let me know!

Read the whole thing, like I said I have a feeling the Messiah in question is Cyrus....

I will get back to you on it..

sonmvayina:
Read the whole thing, like I said I have a feeling the Messiah in question is Cyrus....
I will get back to you on it..

Ọmọ go and learn before coming here to argue.

If i choose to leave you in your ignorance it doesn't mean i have accepted your nonsense i just feel like allowing you to continue with your delusion that's why i keep telling you to stay away from me after that day you got so mad that you began talking about Hellfire that you never believed!

MaxInDHouse:
Oya read the context and point out where the name ISRAEL appears in those verses!

Which one are we talking about?

sonmvayina:
Which one are we talking about?

The Bible from Genesis to Revelations is about the salvation of mankind.

That's why all the prophecies correlates.

So if some unbelieving Jews choose to discredit the prophecies simply because Jesus never supported their political ambitions you should think twice.

God doesn't know Israel from the beginning of creation it's Abraham God made promises to and said if his descendants keeps the covenant at heart He will continue with them forever but the nation of Israel never hold the covenant with seriousness so the whole thing can't be about that nation.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ go and learn before coming here to argue.

If i choose to leave you in your ignorance it doesn't mean i have accepted your nonsense i just feel like allowing you to continue with your delusion that's why i keep telling you to stay away from me after that day you got so mad that you began talking about Hellfire that you never believed!

Your problem is that you are using a mistranslated version. So it is quite difficult to keep up with you..I read the whole of Daniel 9 in Hebrew, all these you claim are not even there..

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible from Genesis to Revelations is about the salvation of mankind.

That's why all the prophecies correlates.

So if some unbelieving Jews choose to discredit the prophecies simply because Jesus never supported their political ambitions you should think twice.

God doesn't know Israel from the beginning of creation it's Abraham God made promises to and said if his descendants keeps the covenant at heart He will continue with them forever but the nation of Israel never hold the covenant with seriousness so the whole thing can't be about that nation.

Salvation from what? My friend.?

Olodo

We are God's having a human experience...not the other way round.

Man is God breath + dust of the earth.

So at "death, God takes his breath and we bury the body for it to return to the earth.
What needs to be saved?? Let me understand you..


God is consciousness....hope you know that.

He is not a Jewish man up in the sky..

Do you know this??

sonmvayina:
Your problem is that you are using a mistranslated version. So it is quite difficult to keep up with you..I read the whole of Daniel 9 in Hebrew, all these you claim are not even there..

Whether you like it or not Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah God promised mankind but if the Jews rejected him that's their own cup of coffee they will never ever remain a nation and troubles will continue to befall them untill they welcome those bringing the message of Jesus of Nazareth! Matthew 23:37-39

sonmvayina:
We are Gods

So why are you always disturbing me since you are God on your own and you believe i am also God on my own!

MaxInDHouse:
So why are you always disturbing me since you are God on your own and you believe i am also God on my own!

Do you believe it?

MaxInDHouse:
[b]Whether you like it or not Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah God promised mankind [/b]but if the Jews rejected him that's their own cup of coffee they will never ever remain a nation and troubles will continue to befall them untill they welcome those bringing the message of Jesus of Nazareth! Matthew 23:37-39

Lol, very funny...

Keep living in delusion, when you grow up you will learn..

sonmvayina:
Do you believe it?

Dumb question!

How can you and i be Gods yet you're crossing to my domain insisting i must agree with you?

Does that even make any practical sense to you?

Ọmọ if you're God on your own and i am God on my own there's no reason why you and i should be having a discussion about how i should do my things, you do whatever pleases you while i also do whatever pleases me.

That's how Gods do!