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No it doesn't because not all people who will live in the future will be sinners. The people who will be found righteous after the judgment day when Satan is destroyed, will no longer sin. God would have rewarded them for their righteousness with eternal life.

AntiChristian:
All men have sinned. Doesn't this include the ones yet to be born?
Is it not saying they will sin too?

Use your brain!

Ojuntana:
He was not. The covenant is fulfilled in Jesus. All those who believe in Jesus and bear fruits of repentance will enjoy the benefits of the covenant like other Israelites who rejected it would

Ok so u agree the covenant with Isaac is not everlasting at the end of the day?

Ojuntana:
I always find it funny that you guys will claim the Bible is adulterated yet you will be seeking validation for your religion from same Bible. Why don't you use your quran to show that the Bible is adulterated instead of claiming lies against Jeremiah?

This line is stale already, the fact that we said the Torah has been corrupted does not mean the word of God is not in there again, even the gospel as over dilluted as it is, still contain the word of God.

And I am not seeking validation for my religion. What brought about this is that you claimed the Jews see prophet Muhammad as a fake Prophet and I'm telling you that is not the case that some of them even see the rise of Islam as a fulfillment of Genesis 17:20.

How did I lie against Jeremiah??
Am I the one saying this?
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. Jeremiah 8:8

How can I use the Qur'an to prove the Bible has been corrupted to you when you don't believe the Qur'an is the word of God, you are just going to reject whatever I bring.

AntiChristian:
Where's the confusion with a scammer?
Where's the mockery?

You can't answer question on what you don't understand yourself!

Your Iman conducting deliverance in the name of Isa.

Where is Mohammadmmd and his name?!

MightySparrow:
Your Iman conducting deliverance in the name of Isa.

Where is Mohammadmmd and his name?!

Is Odumeje your pastor?

Qasim6:
Ok so u agree the covenant with Isaac is not everlasting at the end of the day?

It is everlasting or is Jesus not everlasting? Is he not an Israelite? Is there any other way to God except Him?

Qasim6:
This line is stale already, the fact that we said the Torah has been corrupted does not mean the word of God is not in there again, even the gospel as over dilluted as it is, still contain the word of God.

And I am not seeking validation for my religion. What brought about this is that you claimed the Jews see prophet Muhammad as a fake Prophet and I'm telling you that is not the case that some of them even see the rise of Islam as a fulfillment of Genesis 17:20.

How did I lie against Jeremiah??
Am I the one saying this?
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. Jeremiah 8:8

How can I use the Qur'an to prove the Bible has been corrupted to you when you don't believe the Qur'an is the word of God, you are just going to reject whatever I bring.

Let me be clear

1. As I have shown you Genesis 17vs20 has nothing to do with Islam. Any Jew (which I doubt) that believes it has anything to do with Islam is simply deluded.
2. The Jews saw Muhammad as a false prophet. They tested him and he kept failing as you can also attest. He ate poison and died. He got the questions wrong.
3. The lying pen of the Scribes does not mean the Torah was adulterated. What it meant is that the Scribes lied. You can only know a lie if you have the truth. If you say the Torah is diluted, how can it still be the word of God? Can the word of God be diluted? The Bible and Torah can contain human errors but cannot be adulterated or diluted. That is a lie. You have to show proof it was diluted.
4. I most welcome you to use your Quran to prove what you allege. Using the Bible only shows you do not consider your Quran strong enough to withstand scrutiny

Ojuntana:
It is everlasting or is Jesus not everlasting? Is he not an Israelite? Is there any other way to God except Him?

Did Jesus say the kingdom of God was given to him or how did you conclude the kingdom was given to Jesus. Because Jesus was saying it will be taken away from JEWS/ISRAELITES and it will be given to a NATION that will produce its fruit

Is the kingdom of God Jesus talking about the same as the kingdom of God of Daniel prophecy?

Ojuntana:
The Jews have always been against Muhammad from the beginning of his claimed prophethood. That was why he fought them relentlessly. Go and read Quran 9:29 or do you dispute that the People of the Book being referred to are Jews? Khaybar was a strong Jewish town that Muhammad attacked. In fact, all throughout Muhammad's interactions with Jews, they always tested him to disprove his claim and he always failed. He ate the poison of the Khaybar woman and it affected him.

Yeah, the Jews have been against him from the onset, because the Jews were expecting a Prophet and that is why some of them settled in Yathrib in the first place but unfortunately for them the Prophet was from the Arabs and not from the Israelites but their pride won't let them follow the non-Israelite prophet.

Qur'an 9:29 is not about fighting indiscriminately, it is about fighting those non- Muslims under Islamic rule that don't want to pay Jizya tax.

Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture, UNTIL they pay the Jizya, willingly submitting, fully humbled.

And before you come back to say why are the Muslims not paying, the Muslims pay a form of tax known as zakat too.

The prophet lived another 4 years after Khaybar, so what's your point about Khaybar?

Qasim6:
Did Jesus say the kingdom of God was given to him or how did you conclude the kingdom was given to Jesus. Because Jesus was saying it will be taken away from JEWS/ISRAELITES and it will be given to a NATION that will produce its fruit

Is the kingdom of God Jesus talking about the same as the kingdom of God of Daniel prophecy?

Yes. Jesus took over the Kingdom of God immediately he died and rose from the grave. It's there in the Bible

The Kingdom of God in Daniel's prophecy is the kingdom Jesus is coming to establish on earth at His second coming when He will come as a King

Qasim6:
Yeah, the Jews have been against him from the onset, because the Jews were expecting a Prophet and that is why some of them settled in Yathrib in the first place but unfortunately for them the Prophet was from the Arabs and not from the Israelites but their pride won't let them follow the non-Israelite prophet.

Qur'an 9:29 is not about fighting indiscriminately, it is about fighting those non- Muslims under Islamic rule that don't want to pay Jizya tax.

Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture, UNTIL they pay the Jizya, willingly submitting, fully humbled.

And before you come back to say why are the Muslims not paying, the Muslims pay a form of tax known as zakat too.

The prophet lived another 4 years after Khaybar, so what's your point about Khaybar?

Your prophet died from the poison he took from teh Jewish woman in Khaybar whcih showed he failed her test just as he failed the test of the Jewish Rabbi

You lie. That Quranic text was given to Muhammad to fight the Jews who disbelieved him. It has nothing to do with refusal to pay Jizya. Jizya is paid as a form of surrender, a sign of defeat. The text clearly shows that Jews do not believe in Allah, the Last Day and Muhammad. The Jews also rejected Islam (which is referrred to as the religion of truth in that text). It is written there clearly. So why try to change it to suit your taste?

Ojuntana:
Yes. Jesus took over the Kingdom of God immediately he died and rose from the grave. It's there in the Bible

The Kingdom of God in Daniel's prophecy is the kingdom Jesus is coming to establish on earth at His second coming when He will come as a King

Do you know that kingdom of God is supposed the defeat the 4th kingdom from Babylon? and I'm sure the 4th kingdom is no more around.

Petalss:
You haven't answered my question still.
I won't approve my children kill each other under my watch.

I don't get your question but with your own illustration it's evident that religionists fighting and killing one another are not children of the same parent!

MaxInDHouse:
I don't get your question but with your own illustration it's evident that religionists fighting and killing one another are not children of the same parent!

Imagine a mother who gives her two children the same set of instructions on how to prepare a meal. One child follows the instructions carefully and fully understands the process, preparing the meal as intended. The other child misinterprets part of the instructions and ends up preparing the meal differently, perhaps leaving out some ingredients or cooking it in a different way. While the meals they prepare may look or taste different, both children were still following the instructions of the same mother.

If both children were given the same guidance from their mother, does the difference in how they understood and followed it mean they have a different mother, or is it simply a difference in their interpretation of her instruction?

MaxInDHouse:
I don't get your question but with your own illustration it's evident that religionists fighting and killing one another are not children of the same parent!

Setting aside religious considerations for the moment, when siblings from the same parents engage in conflict or even violence against each other, is such behavior is a direct result of their parents' instructions?

Qasim6:
Do you know that kingdom of God is supposed the defeat the 4th kingdom from Babylon? and I'm sure the 4th kingdom is no more around.

I don't know what you're talking about

Kingsempires:
Christian, Muslim, Jewish all worship that same God but all have different Ideology about God .even Hinduism that is a polytheistic religion worships Almighty God (brahma)

also include satanist who worship Satan as the one god.
Anybody that claims he is worshiping one God you assume it must be the same with the Christian God.
How can allah who doesn't have a son, be the same God of Christians who have a son?

AntiChristian:
More foolishness! Please go and get sense!
Everything is predestined in Islam!

Even if i show you in the Qur'an will you believe it?

Abeg!

hahaha, so allah is responsible for all he evils in the world shaytan is just a puppete predestined by allah, allah is the real culprit.

Petalss:
Setting aside religious considerations for the moment, when siblings from the same parents engage in conflict or even violence against each other, is such behavior is a direct result of their parents' instructions?

No human mother will be happy to see her kids engage in violence against each other in fact such a mother will start crying as she doesn't have the power to stop or end such a thing due to imperfection.

But when talking about God He is challenged when His worshipers are doing such as He is perfect and fully understood what disorder could lead to. That's why the Bible God will never ever condone such from any of His worshipers. Jesus is God's only begotten Son he said:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me" John 5:30

So if i call Jesus "Lord" and my Lord says he can not do anything of his own initiative unless what God instruct him to do please do i really regard his as my Lord when i decide to do my things differently without strictly following his footsteps? Matthew 15:8-9

MightySparrow:
Your Iman conducting deliverance in the name of Isa.

Where is Mohammadmmd and his name?!

May you be cursed if he is NOT my Imam!

Why the lies?

Steep:
hahaha, so allah is responsible for all he evils in the world shaytan is just a puppete predestined by allah, allah is the real culprit.

Allah destined it.

But you commit the crimes!

I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, YHWH, do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

Is Yahweh also the culprit here?

Use your brain bro!

AntiChristian:
May you be cursed if he is NOT my Imam!

Why the lies?

Why cursing nah?
Is he not an Islamic preacher?
Muslims don't have anything of their own but to copy Christianity and when impossible to criticize.

Bless you brother.

Petalss:
Is Odumeje your pastor?

It doesn't matter.
Islam is a copyc.

AntiChristian:
Allah destined it.

But you commit the crimes!

I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, YHWH, do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

Is Yahweh also the culprit here?

Use your brain bro!

when has calamity and prosperity become moral good and evil?
It is allah that destined people to do crimes now why blame the criminals for what Allah has destined.

MightySparrow:
It doesn't matter.
Islam is a copyc.

Lol

MightySparrow:
Why cursing nah?
Is he not an Islamic preacher?
Muslims don't have anything of their own but to copy Christianity and when impossible to criticize.

Bless you brother.

Just wow.

Steep:
also include satanist who worship Satan as the one god.
Anybody that claims he is worshiping one God you assume it must be the same with the Christian God.
How can allah who doesn't have a son, be the same God of Christians who have a son?

You're overlooking the fact that, despite the various interpretations and attributes different individuals may assign to God, the God worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, and Moses remains the same. The core identity and essence of this deity do not change based on personal perspectives or differing beliefs.

Whether you describe him as having a wife, a son, or a mother, or whether you refer to him as embodying the 3 in 1 or being 1 in 3, the essential truth remains unchanged. He is still the God worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, and Moses. This is the same God whom Jews, Christians, and Muslims call upon. Despite the different ways of understanding or describing him, his fundamental nature remains consistent.

MightySparrow:
Why cursing nah?
Is he not an Islamic preacher?
Muslims don't have anything of their own but to copy Christianity and when impossible to criticize.

Bless you brother.

You lied he's my Imam!

If you don't know the meaning of a word then don't say it.

I don't know him. To me he's not a Muslim.

So how is he my Imam?

It's not a joking matter!

They are not Muslims!

Muslims don't call on Muhammad or Jesus or Mary or Jilani or Inyas or Angels or Jinns or any other person in prayer for help!
We call on Allah alone!

MightySparrow:
It doesn't matter.
Islam is a copyc.

You are a liar!

Islam forbids imitating Christians and Jews!

The Muslims have no need to imitate any of the other nations in matters of religious rituals and acts of worship, for Allah has perfected His Religion and completed His Favour, and chosen for us Islam as our religion, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” [Al-Maidah 5:3]

Islam forbids the Muslims to imitate the disbelievers , especially the Jews and Christians, but this prohibition does not apply to all their affairs, rather it applies to matters of their religion and things that are unique to them, by which they are known.

It was narrated from Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “You will certainly follow the ways of those who came before you hand span by hand span, cubit by cubit, to the extent that if they entered the hole of a lizard, you will enter it too.” We said: “O Messenger of Allah, (do you mean) the Jews and the Christians?” He said: “Who else?” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 1397; Muslim, 4822)

This hadith indicates that it is haram to imitate the Jews and the Christians, and that those who follow them and tread the same path as them are criticized. Islam has reinforced this prohibition, by describing those who imitate the disbelievers as being of them.

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Umar said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Narrated by Abu Dawud, 3512; classed as sahih by al-Albani in Irwa al-Ghalil, 2691)

MaxInDHouse:
No human mother will be happy to see her kids engage in violence against each other in fact such a mother will start crying as she doesn't have the power to stop or end such a thing due to imperfection.

But when talking about God He is challenged when His worshipers are doing such as He is perfect and fully understood what disorder could lead to. That's why the Bible God will never ever condone such from any of His worshipers. Jesus is God's only begotten Son he said:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me" John 5:30

So if i call Jesus "Lord" and my Lord says he can not do anything of his own initiative unless what God instruct him to do please do i really regard his as my Lord when i decide to do my things differently without strictly following his footsteps? Matthew 15:8-9

Maybe I should just guess your answer to my question is NO.

Which deities or religious figures instruct or condone the act of killing one's fellow human beings?
Are there any specific gods or divine beings in various mythologies or religious texts who are associated with commanding or endorsing such actions?

Steep:
when has calamity and prosperity become moral good and evil?
It is allah that destined people to do crimes now why blame the criminals for what Allah has destined.

Why did God send his son to die?

There could have been other options, who choose death for the son?

AntiChristian:
You lied he's my Imam!

If you don't know the meaning of a word then don't say it.

I don't know him. To me he's not a Muslim.

So how is he my Imam?

It's not a joking matter!

They are not Muslims!

Muslims don't call on Muhammad or Jesus or Mary or Jilani or Inyas or Angels or Jinns or any other person in prayer for help!
We call on Allah alone!

Lie.
I know you are Yoruba.
Tell me the meaning of this Proverbs:

Bi o tí wuni ni a ṣe nṣe ìmọ̀le ẹni. Bi o bá wumi, mọ lẹ fi apa ẹlẹdẹ ji saari.