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Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 9:17pm On Sep 09, 2024
Barristter07:
The question should be when Jesus partake in Flesh and blood, did he exist in that same flesh and blood ?

That should tell you exactly the point of what you partake you become. Yes they become God's!

Do they have a God ?
All of them have a God, Jehovah they worship not 3 deities invented at Nicene.
grin
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky:
Kingsempires:
if Jesus being first born son means he was the first creation of God den can you explain
psalm 89:26-28, exodus 4;21-23 so with your explanation so God now have 3 first born son Jesus, David,and isreal

Please explain your narration
Oga, @ Psalm 89:27 David was APPOINTED as first born.

@ Exodus 4:22. Jehovah said "Israel is my first born."
@ Hebrew 1:6. Colossians 1:15 Jesus is first born of God.

Let me itemize the points expressed, one by one.
*1
The question must be addressed:
Which one of Israel, Jesus or David is not God's sons?

Answer:
Each of them - Israel, David or Jesus are sons of God.
From the holy scriptures,God has the right to call anyone His first born.
Hebrew 1:6a. Colossians 1:15 for Jesus.
Psalm 89:27 for king David.
Exodus 4:22, for Israel.
First born is exclusive to Father & son relationship
.

*2. Is Father & son relationship,a relationship of two equals?
Emphatically no ! John 14:28. 1 Corinthians 11:3.


*3
@ Colossians 1:15, is Jesus called "the first born of every of every creature?
Yes.
With particular emphasis on Colossians 1:15, do we say "the first born of every child is not a child?"
No !
Do we say the first born of every creature is not a creature?
No !

[b]Therefore @ Colossians 1:15, Jesus "the first born of every creature" is a creature in the same manner that "the first born of every child" is a child.
Reuben is the beginning of the procreation by Jacob.
Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God
.

@ John 1:3, Hebrew 1:2, Colossians 1:16, Jesus was the instrumentality of creation just as a Lawyer is your instrumentality to buy a house.
The lawyer is not the House Owner just as Jesus is NOT the creator. Hebrew 3:4. Hebrew 1:2. 1 Corinthians 8:6.
[/b]
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 10:20pm On Sep 09, 2024
Kingsempires:
you see this one you failed it Wolfy why so you are trying to contradict
Isaiah 40:13

So you have an image of an angel not God grin


As for me na God image I get not angel
Oga, with due respect to your opinion, this is the point of Sand2022 about Genesis 3:22. "The man has become like one of us" meaning the man Adam is like God to himself.
Sand2022 post:
To make it simple, the phrase "knowing good and bad" means setting standard of right and wrong". And only God has that right.

My point is that angels have the same right to be like God to themselves.
They did so by disobedience & rebellion just as Adam was disobedient & rebellious.
"One of us" meaning that rebellious Adam & rebellious Angels are like God to themselves.
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 10:41pm On Sep 09, 2024
Sand2022:
I would say so. No one can be exact facsimile of Jehovah. Jehovah's nature is uncreated.

The Angels have God's spirit, but they have created nature.
A. Jesus is in God's image.
B. Angels are in God's image.
C.Man is in God's image.
A to C, is Evidence of a created nature.
Oga, which first born is not the exact facsimile of his or her Father?
This quality of exact representation (or spitting image) is very unique to ALL first born, whether male or female.
Nah the first born dey resemble (exact representation) of their Fathers more than any other child.

Hebrew 1:3 emphasizes the point that Jesus is his Father's first born, born before the founding of the world.
Because the God made the universe THROUGH his son
.
Sand2022:
I would not think that an uncreated nature can be passed on. Nor will I see how we will be omniscient, immutable and know the heart as God does.
Which Bible verse says that God has "uncreated nature?"

.,.

Oga, bring am make we see am.

Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 10:46pm On Sep 09, 2024
Sand2022:
Reserve your energy for something else.
Why not tell him that Isaiah 40:13 has no connection to the point you made.

That angels just like Adam knows good and bad, the expression "become like one of US" includes angels.
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Barristter07: 11:39pm On Sep 09, 2024
Emusan:
That is what I'm saying, Jesus partakes and that make Jesus human, so they partake also make them GOD here very ALMIGHTY GOD!
We can agree there are many people with God's Nature. Proving Trinity is nonsensical
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Kingsempires(m): 5:10pm On Sep 10, 2024
Janosky:
Oga, with due respect to your opinion, this is the point of Sand2022 about Genesis 3:22. "The man has become like one of us" meaning the man Adam is like God to himself.
Sand2022 post:
To make it simple, the phrase "knowing good and bad" means setting standard of right and wrong". And only God has that right.

My point is that angels have the same right to be like God to themselves.
They did so by disobedience & rebellion just as Adam was disobedient & rebellious.
"One of us" meaning that rebellious Adam & rebellious Angels are like God to themselves.
I am not talking about Genesis 3:22 am taking about gen 1;26 undecided
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 11:33am On Sep 11, 2024
Barristter07:
We can agree there are many people with God's Nature. Proving Trinity is nonsensical
As we can agree that BILLION OF BELIEVERS ARE GOD according to your theory which make your ONE GOD Monotheism a big nonsensical.
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky:
Emusan:
As we can agree that BILLION OF BELIEVERS ARE GOD according to your theory which make your ONE GOD Monotheism a big nonsensical.
Deuteronomy 10:17 Jehovah is the God of gods.

The sons of Jehovah God are gods. Psalm 82:6.

Oga, carry your delusion outta here.

grin
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky:
Kingsempires:
you see this one you failed it Wolfy why so you are trying to contradict
Isaiah 40:13

So you have an image of an angel not God grin


As for me na God image I get not angel
Angels were created in the image of God.

Jehovah said angels celebrated the creation of Adam, Job 38:4-7. Oga go & verify.
"US" @ Genesis 1:26 & Genesis 3:22 includes angels.

Revelation 22:16, Jesus Christ is a morning star.
Job 38:6-7, angels are morning stars.

Oga,Which star did God not create?

Jesus Christ is in the image of God.


Every creature exists in the image of God.
That's the point.
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 10:58pm On Sep 11, 2024
Kingsempires:
I am not talking about Genesis 3:22 am taking about gen 1;26 undecided
Let me itemize the points again.
*1The pertinent questions are :
Did God created angels before Adam?
Did angels exist before Adam was created?

To both questions the answer is Yes.

*2. Trinitarians claimed that "US" @ Genesis 1:26 & Genesis 3:22 refer to their 3 deities/persons.

The question is:

@ Genesis 6:6, did 3 deities or 3 persons expressed regret @ Genesis 6:6?
No !
Genesis 6:6 consigned Trinitarian claim to the dustbin.

@ Genesis 1:26, God said to the divine assembly (the Council of gods, @ Psalm 82:1 & Psalm 89:7.: "Let US make man."

*3.
@ Isaiah 6:8, "Who will go for us?"

Who are the " US" @ Isaiah 6:8?
Definitely not 3 deities.

But Isaiah the prophet & the divine assembly/council of gods (holy ones) in heaven. (The court of heaven).

Isaiah would not be given the assignment if was excluded from the "US ".
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by achorladey: 8:44am On Sep 12, 2024
Janosky:
Let me itemize the points again.
*1The pertinent questions are :
Did God created angels before Adam?
Did angels exist before Adam was created?

To both questions the answer is Yes.

*2. Trinitarians claimed that "US" @ Genesis 1:26 & Genesis 3:22 refer to their 3 deities/persons.

The question is:

@ Genesis 6:6, did 3 deities or 3 persons expressed regret @ Genesis 6:6?
No !
Genesis 6:6 consigned Trinitarian claim to the dustbin.

@ Genesis 1:26, God said to the divine assembly (the Council of gods, @ Psalm 82:1 & Psalm 89:7.: "Let US make man."

*3.
@ Isaiah 6:8, "Who will go for us?"

Who are the " US" @ Isaiah 6:8?
Definitely not 3 deities.

But Isaiah the prophet & the divine assembly/council of gods (holy ones) in heaven. (The court of heaven).

Isaiah would not be given the assignment if was excluded from the "US ".
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@ Genesis 6:6, did 3 deities or 3 persons expressed regret @ Genesis 6:6?
No! Genesis 6:6 consigned Trinitarian claim to the dustbin.
Since the Genesis 6:6 didn't use us in that account.

@ Genesis 1:26, God said to the divine assembly (the Council of gods, @ Psalm 82:1 & Psalm 89:7.: "Let US make man."
Didn't see the same line of discussion just as they admit the US refer to the trinity you want them to agree that the US is council of gods.

The reason they asked you were you made in the image of God and that of angels. Since the US equally referred to angels as you admittedcheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 10:55am On Sep 12, 2024
Janosky:
Deuteronomy 10:17 Jehovah is the God of gods.

The sons of Jehovah God are gods. Psalm 82:6.

Oga, carry your delusion outta here.

grin
Oponu....

Your deluded brother says:

1. To PARTAKE in something makes you BECOME very that thing you partake.

2. Believers were said to be a partaker in the Divine Nature makes them to be very ALMIGHTY GOD

So, if you support his interpretation and explanation (which I know you did as deluded as you are), it means Trinity is even better but your nonsensical idea CREATES NOT JUST Three ALMIGHTY GODS but BILLION OF ALMIGHTY GODS as believers included cheesy grin cheesy grin grin
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 11:00am On Sep 12, 2024
Janosky:
Let me itemize the points again.
*1The pertinent questions are :
Did God created angels before Adam?
Did angels exist before Adam was created?

To both questions the answer is Yes.

*2. Trinitarians claimed that "US" @ Genesis 1:26 & Genesis 3:22 refer to their 3 deities/persons.

The question is:

@ Genesis 6:6, did 3 deities or 3 persons expressed regret @ Genesis 6:6?
No !
Genesis 6:6 consigned Trinitarian claim to the dustbin.

@ Genesis 1:26, God said to the divine assembly (the Council of gods, @ Psalm 82:1 & Psalm 89:7.: "Let US make man."

*3.
@ Isaiah 6:8, "Who will go for us?"

Who are the " US" @ Isaiah 6:8?
Definitely not 3 deities.

But Isaiah the prophet & the divine assembly/council of gods (holy ones) in heaven. (The court of heaven).

Isaiah would not be given the assignment if was excluded from the "US ".
This JaNosense even claimed it was "Council of gods" so you were created in the image of gods and not that of Almighty God cheesy grin cheesy grin grin grin
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Kingsempires(m): 11:33am On Sep 12, 2024
Janosky:
Let me itemize the points again.
*1The pertinent questions are :
Did God created angels before Adam?
Did angels exist before Adam was created?

To both questions the answer is Yes.

*2. Trinitarians claimed that "US" @ Genesis 1:26 & Genesis 3:22 refer to their 3 deities/persons.

The question is:

@ Genesis 6:6, did 3 deities or 3 persons expressed regret @ Genesis 6:6?
No !
Genesis 6:6 consigned Trinitarian claim to the dustbin.

@ Genesis 1:26, God said to the divine assembly (the Council of gods, @ Psalm 82:1 & Psalm 89:7.: "Let US make man."

*3.
@ Isaiah 6:8, "Who will go for us?"

Who are the " US" @ Isaiah 6:8?
Definitely not 3 deities.

But Isaiah the prophet & the divine assembly/council of gods (holy ones) in heaven. (The court of heaven).

Isaiah would not be given the assignment if was excluded from the "US ".
so explain Isaiah 40;13
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 2:55pm On Sep 12, 2024
Emusan:
Oponu....

Your deluded brother says:

1. To PARTAKE in something makes you BECOME very that thing you partake.

2. Believers were said to be a partaker in the Divine Nature makes them to be very ALMIGHTY GOD

So, if you support his interpretation and explanation (which I know you did as deluded as you are), it means Trinity is even better but your nonsensical idea CREATES NOT JUST Three ALMIGHTY GODS but BILLION OF ALMIGHTY GODS as believers included cheesy grin cheesy grin grin
Emusan:
This JaNosense even claimed it was "Council of gods" so you were created in the image of gods and not that of Almighty God cheesy grin cheesy grin grin grin
Deuteronomy 10:17
"Jehovah is the God of gods".

Psalm 82:6
"'You are gods', says Jehovah.
You are sons of the Most High".

Deuteronomy 10:17 & Psalm 82:6 proven that
Emusan Oponu Empty soul and LYING miscreant's brain is filled with sand.



grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 3:00pm On Sep 12, 2024
Kingsempires:
so explain Isaiah 40;13
Nobody can understand or measure the mind of God.

That is the simple summation of Isaiah 40:13.


@Isaiah 40:7 "spirit of Jehovah " is the proper context to understand Isaiah 40:13.

Trinitarian scholars and JW's agree on this fact.
This is the rendition of many Trinitarian Bibles.
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by MightySparrow: 3:06pm On Sep 12, 2024
Janosky:
Nobody can understand or measure the mind of God.

That is the simple summation of Isaiah 40:13.


@Isaiah 40:7 "spirit of Jehovah " is the proper context to understand Isaiah 40:13.

Trinitarian scholars and JW's agree on this fact.
This is the rendition of many Trinitarian Bibles.
You have not answered my question Janosky

If God created everything with His word, with what did He create Jesus
?
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 3:13pm On Sep 12, 2024
MightySparrow:
You have not answered my question Janosky

If God created everything with His word, with what did He create Jesus
?

God spoke the word & another being called "the Word" came into life.

According to your own Bible @ John 5:26, the God "granted life to " whom?
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by sonmvayina(m): 3:18pm On Sep 12, 2024
All those who believe the Trinity are guilty of the sin of idolatry

I just wonder how they manage to divide God into 3 and still arrive at 1.
God is indivisible...

God is the universal divine consciousness...not a Jewish man up in the sky...
Man don't become God and God don't become man....we all have the divine spark within us.

Wait oh....let us assume that Jesus actually existed...how the hell is he different from us?
He popped....we popped
He ate.....we eat
He fvcked (the woman at the well, he gave living water (sperm) so she can become pregnant...,......we Fvck.

He died.,..,.....we all will die one day .

So how come he is worshipped?

And My dad is not?
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Kingsempires(m): 3:26pm On Sep 12, 2024
sonmvayina:
He fvcked (the woman at the well, he gave living water (sperm) so she can become pregnant...,......we Fvck.
na WA oo are you saying this to justify your story angry angry
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by sonmvayina(m): 5:35pm On Sep 12, 2024
Kingsempires:
na WA oo are you saying this to justify your story angry angry
Are you saying he was impotent?

Because men that age are sex stud...

If he existed, he was sexually active like any young man...
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by MightySparrow:
Janosky:

God spoke the word & another being called "the Word" came into life.

According to your own Bible @ John 5:26, the God "granted life to " whom?
According to John 1:1 - 3, if everything was created by the Word which should be outside His creation, do you say Jesus created Himself, being the Word?
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Barristter07: 11:48am On Sep 13, 2024
Janosky:
Deuteronomy 10:17
"Jehovah is the God of gods".

Psalm 82:6
"'You are gods', says Jehovah.
You are sons of the Most High".

Deuteronomy 10:17 & Psalm 82:6 proven that
Emusan Oponu Empty soul and LYING miscreant's brain is filled with sand.



grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
You just dey add to Emusan trauma grin
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Barristter07: 11:50am On Sep 13, 2024
Janosky:
Deuteronomy 10:17 Jehovah is the God of gods.

The sons of Jehovah God are gods. Psalm 82:6.

Oga, carry your delusion outta here.

grin
grin grin
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 12:04pm On Sep 13, 2024
Barristter07:
You just dey add to Emusan trauma grin
See the two delusional

After you have seen how stupid your lie about PARTAKEN sounds, you now want to be playing hide and seek grin cheesy grin grin
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Barristter07: 1:08pm On Sep 13, 2024
Emusan:
See the two delusional

After you have seen how stupid your lie about PARTAKEN sounds, you now want to be playing hide and seek grin cheesy grin grin
We don agree say plenty Divine Nature persons exist, why you dey cry ? grin
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 1:23pm On Sep 13, 2024
Barristter07:
We don agree say plenty Divine Nature persons exist, why you dey cry ? grin
Smile...

When you know your delusion got exposed you want to change gear.

Yes! We agreed and that's why I'm remind you your own very WORD. grin grin cheesy grin
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Kingsempires(m): 2:51pm On Sep 13, 2024
sonmvayina:
Are you saying he was impotent?

Because men that age are sex stud...

If he existed, he was sexually active like any young man...
angry angry
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 9:01pm On Sep 13, 2024
Emusan:
As we can agree that BILLION OF BELIEVERS ARE GOD according to your theory which make your ONE GOD Monotheism a big nonsensical.
God is a spirit.

Divine nature meaning that nature of spirits not human nature.

Nothing nonsensical about monotheism.

God's people from Genesis to Revelation in your Bible believe firmly on monotheism not 3 deities polytheism combined with modalism which you are practicing.
Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 9:06pm On Sep 13, 2024
Emusan:
Smile...

When you know your delusion got exposed you want to change gear.

Yes! We agreed and that's why I'm remind you your own very WORD.

Guy you are very dunce.

No evidence to show say you go school.

grin grin cheesy grin

Re: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Janosky:
Emusan:
Oponu....

Your deluded brother says:

1. To PARTAKE in something makes you BECOME very that thing you partake.

2. Believers were said to be a partaker in the Divine Nature makes them to be very ALMIGHTY GOD

grin

I will itemize the points
*1
There are only two natures that exists.
Spirit (divine nature) & human nature.
In heaven Jesus had divine nature.
On earth, human nature, Romans 8:3.

2.
Jesus prayed about partakers of divine nature to receive the same glory that God gave Jesus ;
"Father I want those you have given me to be where I am, in order that they may look upon my glory you have given me..."
"I have given them the glory that you have given me"
John chapter 17:23-24.


*3

The same glory for partakers of divine nature.
the same glory for Jesus Christ
The same glory for God their Father of all.

John 17:23-24 no dey Sand2022 Bible.


*4
The guy so desperate to confuse himself & his sheeples that the glory shared by the God Almighty & his son proves their equality.

But unfortunately for Sand2022 & Emusan, Jesus Christ exposed their delusion.

John 17:7 , Jesus say nah God their Father get the Glory given to Jesus & partakers of divine nature. John 17:23-24.

Partakers of divine nature meaning "to be with me (Jesus) where I am", dwelling together in heaven
Trinity wotowoto. In the mud.

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