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AntiChristian:
You are a liar!

Islam forbids imitating Christians and Jews!

The Muslims have no need to imitate any of the other nations in matters of religious rituals and acts of worship, for Allah has perfected His Religion and completed His Favour, and chosen for us Islam as our religion, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” [Al-Maidah 5:3]

Islam forbids the Muslims to imitate the disbelievers , especially the Jews and Christians, but this prohibition does not apply to all their affairs, rather it applies to matters of their religion and things that are unique to them, by which they are known.

It was narrated from Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “You will certainly follow the ways of those who came before you hand span by hand span, cubit by cubit, to the extent that if they entered the hole of a lizard, you will enter it too.” We said: “O Messenger of Allah, (do you mean) the Jews and the Christians?” He said: “Who else?” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 1397; Muslim, 4822)

This hadith indicates that it is haram to imitate the Jews and the Christians, and that those who follow them and tread the same path as them are criticized. Islam has reinforced this prohibition, by describing those who imitate the disbelievers as being of them.

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Umar said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Narrated by Abu Dawud, 3512; classed as sahih by al-Albani in Irwa al-Ghalil, 2691)

Quran itself is an imitation. Before Mohammadmmd there was no prophet from Ishmael. All the stories in Quran are distorted Jewish stories.

I asked you to explain why Allah abandoned Ishmael's generations from the time of Abraham till the time of Mohammad.
You have not answered.
Maybe any of your brothers have any answer.

Petalss:
Maybe I should just guess your answer is NO to my question.

Which deities or religious figures instruct or condone the act of killing one's fellow human beings?
Are there any specific gods or divine beings in various mythologies or religious texts who are associated with commanding or endorsing such actions?

You need to sit down and meditate on the real meaning of that title "GOD" because adherents must think alike so adherents killing one another yet worshiping together simply means there is no supreme being in their midst or that's what their God wants!

Petalss:
You're overlooking the fact that, despite the various interpretations and attributes different individuals may assign to God, the God worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, and Moses remains the same. The core identity and essence of this deity do not change based on personal perspectives or differing beliefs.

Whether you describe him as having a wife, a son, or a mother, or whether you refer to him as embodying the 3 in 1 or being 1 in 3, the essential truth remains unchanged. He is still the God worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, and Moses. This is the same God whom Jews, Christians, and Muslims call upon. Despite the different ways of understanding or describing him, his fundamental nature remains consistent.

Satanists believe the devil is the one true God so based on your interpretation your God and that of Satanist are the same just different interpretations.
If I ask you what are the core identity of God you may not be able to answer.

Antichristian, which God are you talking about in your assertion below? Is it the the God of my Scriptures or the God of your Qoran? Or are you of the opinion that they are one and the same God?

AntiChristian:
So what is the best way to explain trinity without embracing modalism, partialism or debasing God from what He is not?

MightySparrow:
Quran itself is an imitation. Before Mohammadmmd there was no prophet from Ishmael. All the stories in Quran are distorted Jewish stories.

Your claim that the Quran is just an imitation or distortion overlooks its unique aspects. While the Quran shares some stories with Jewish texts, it also introduces new elements and interpretations. It asserts its own divine authority and message, distinct from previous scriptures. Additionally, it acknowledges earlier prophets but presents its teachings as a continuation and refinement rather than mere imitation.

You can create a new thread for that if you want.

Steep:
Satanists believe the devil is the one true God so based on your interpretation your God and that of Satanist are the same just different interpretations.
If I ask you what are the core identity of God you may not be able to answer.

I’m not personally familiar with the beliefs of Satanists, maybe you are familiar with them sha.
Did they specifically identify this figure(Devil) as the same God worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, and Moses, or is there a distinction in their beliefs?

MightySparrow:
Quran itself is an imitation.

Imitation of what? The Bible that's a biography of Jesus plus the works of Paul and some others?

Before Mohammadmmd there was no prophet from Ishmael. All the stories in Quran are distorted Jewish stories.

Distorted Jewish stories that are more sound than what your Bible presents! Before Jesus there was no human dying for sins!

I asked you to explain why Allah abandoned Ishmael's generations from the time of Abraham till the time of Mohammad.
You have not answered.
Maybe any of your brothers have any answer.

Allah didn't abandon anybody! Your question does not make sense! It's like you asking why are you poor and Dangote is rich!

Makes no sense!

elated177:
Antichristian, which God are you talking about in your assertion below? Is it the the God of my Scriptures or the God of your Qoran? Or are you of the opinion that they are one and the same God?

Can you state two differences between them?

I believe they are the same.
Kingsempires believe same too

MaxInDHouse:
You need to sit down and meditate on the real meaning of that title "GOD" because adherents must think alike so adherents killing one another yet worshiping together simply means there is no supreme being in their midst or that's what their God wants!

The existence of conflict among religious adherents does not negate the existence of a supreme being. Rather, it can be understood as a reflection of human free will, diverse interpretations of faith, and external social influences.

AntiChristian:
Imitation of what? The Bible that's a biography of Jesus plus the works of Paul and some others?



Distorted Jewish stories that are more sound than what your Bible presents! Before Jesus there was no human dying for sins!

Allah didn't abandon anybody! Your question does not make sense! It's like you asking why are you poor and Dangote is rich!

Makes no sense!

Mention two prophets between Ishmael and Mohammad from Ishmael's branch. If there was, what was their message. If there was none, why?

Petalss:
The existence of conflict among religious adherents does not negate the existence of a supreme being. Rather, it can be understood as a reflection of human free will, diverse interpretations of faith, and external social influences.

You don't know the real meaning Supreme Being!

The one who is supreme use his authority to maintain order within his domain, that's why there is law and order so that no form of free will surpasses law and order set by the supreme being.

So it's either there is no supreme being or the there are numerous beings claiming they are supreme!

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know the real meaning Supreme Being!

The one who is supreme use his authority to maintain order within his domain, that's why there is law and order so that no form of free will surpasses law and order set by the supreme being.

So it's either there is no supreme being or the there are numerous beings claiming they are supreme!

Where was the supreme being when Cain killed Abel?

Petalss:
Where was the supreme being when Cain killed Abel?

There is no supreme being in that scenario!

God who is supposed to be the supreme being between Cain and Abel said Abel's sacrifice is better so Cain needs to learn from Abel therefore if Cain BELIEVES the one talking to be SUPREME RULER in that scenario he will not reject what God said.

So Cain kicking against God's word means both aren't worshiping the same God!

Petalss, that question should be directed to the antichristian. Are you a Muslim?

Steep, what is(are) the core identity(ies) of God?

MaxInDHouse:
There is no supreme being in that scenario!

God who is supposed to be the supreme being between Cain and Abel said Abel's sacrifice is better so Cain needs to learn from Abel therefore if Cain BELIEVES the one talking to be SUPREME RULER in that scenario he will not reject what God said.

So Cain kicking against God's word means both aren't worshiping the same God!

Because he was disobedient, he was worshipping another God?

The title "GOD" has a deeper meaning that just what most people think.

Cain and Abel were supposed to be worshipers of the same God but when the one who supposed to be supreme ruler between the two men speaks and Cain turned a deaf ear it simply Means Cain never accepted that person as supreme head over him.


David killed Uriah thinking he is the supreme ruler over Israel but when Nathan appeared before David telling him what the one who is SUPREME over both David, Uriah and Nathan said David humbled himself and accepted correction.

So in the case where two persons disagree and there is no one to be respected or regarded as he who has the final say to stop the trouble from escalating it simply means there is no one to be viewed as supreme being in that scenario!

Petalss:
Because he was disobedient, he was worshipping another God?

Disobedient to who?
Are you saying he accepted the one he chose to DISOBEY?
So in what way is such one a supreme ruler over Cain?

elated177:
Petalss, that question should be directed to the antichristian. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am a Muslim.

Is it the God of the Scriptures or the God of the Quran? Or are you of the opinion that they are one and the same God?

Petalss:
Yes, I am a Muslim.

Now i know why you find it really difficult to grasp the meaning of SUPREME BEING!

Only faithful people believe in that title and such ones will never ever raise a weapon against their fellow worshipers under the same supreme being!

MaxInDHouse:
Disobedient to who?
Are you saying he accepted the one he chose to DISOBEY?
So in what way is such one a supreme ruler over Cain?

Only you can understand yourself. I'm sorry I can't even comprehend what you are driving at.

MaxInDHouse:
Now i know why you find it really difficult to grasp the meaning of SUPREME BEING!

Only faithful people believe in that title and such ones will never ever raise a weapon against their fellow worshipers under the same supreme being!

Who are the faithful people?

Petalss:
Only you can understand yourself. I'm sorry I can't even comprehend what you are driving at.

It's Islam that's making it difficult for you.

If Allah says something and both of us wants to WORSHIP Allah do you think whoever chose to DISOBEY Allah still views your God as SUPREME?

It's as simple as that but since your own people often fight and kill one another despite bowing towards the same God in Mecca you can't understand that you people are practicing false religion.

Whatever makes anyone DISOBEY Allah's order such a person is no longer a worshiper of your Allah even if such a person is still hitting his or her head on the ground facing the stone in Mecca!

Petalss:
Are are the faithful people?

I think you are getting it but you just want to pretend since the truth is making you feel bad about your religion.

Don't look at any religion as faithful people yet rather look at people who aren't seeing God but ready to love and cherish the lives of their fellow worshipers more than anything the world can offer.

That's the evidence that there is a SUPREME BEING in your midst!

MaxInDHouse:
I think you are getting it but you just want to pretend since the truth is making you feel bad about your religion.

Lol. Truth be told. You have thought wrongly. And I am not a pretender.

MightySparrow:
Antichristian, you are discussing a topic you don't know and are not part of.

Islam you are trying to defend is a confusion.
See this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FcD3n44_sI?si=hW8Cu6LIIsmWub7n

See , you you cannot compare fake with original.

Wow!!

Petalss:
Lol. Truth be told. You have thought wrongly. And I am not a pretender.

I know when someone is uncomfortable with the truth but it's OK because you will soon run away from me.

But if you want to expose yourself please try to answer these questions:

• Who is your own God?

• Does your God approves drinking alcoholic beverages or eating pork meat?

Let's start from there!

MaxInDHouse:
1. It's Islam that's making it difficult for you.

2. If Allah says something and both of us wants to WORSHIP Allah do you think whoever chose to DISOBEY Allah still views your God as SUPREME?

3. It's as simple as that but since your own people often fight and kill one another despite bowing towards the same God in Mecca you can't understand that you people are practicing false religion.

4. Whatever makes anyone DISOBEY Allah's order such a person is no longer a worshiper of your Allah even if such a person is still hitting his or her head on the ground facing the stone in Mecca!

1. Islam provides guidance and structure in life, making things easier through principles of faith, worship, and daily conduct. The idea of ease can come from trust in God's plan, following divine guidelines, and the community aspect of practicing Islam.

2. Obedience to God is encouraged in all major religions, but that doesn't imply that the faithful are sinless. Everyone makes mistakes or sins, but repentance and seeking forgiveness are key in many faith traditions. Disobedience or sin is often seen as a natural part of human life, but one is encouraged to continuously strive to be better and to repent for wrong actions

3. Many religious teachings, including Christianity and Islam, promote peace and the sanctity of human life. Acts of violence, such as killing, are generally seen as prohibited unless in cases of justice or self-defense, as per certain legal or moral frameworks. The core message of most religions is one of love, peace, and understanding.

4. I would have appreciated it, if you were respectful about the word you replaced the act of bowing with. Even in the scriptures you hold, it shows bowing can be an act of respect, humility, or worship. For instance, many prophets and followers are described as bowing or prostrating in reverence to God. It’s an act that can symbolize submission to the divine, and in some contexts, it can also represent respect for authority or elders.

Mr Max, I respect you so much, but it reduced by 1 cent this evening. Respect plays a critical role in discussions about religious practices.

MaxInDHouse:
I know when someone is uncomfortable with the truth but it's OK because you will soon run away from me.

But if you want to expose yourself please try to answer these questions:

• Who is your own God?

• Does your God approves drinking alcoholic beverages or eating pork meat?

Let's start from there!

The omniscient Max, I want to clarify that I am not feeling uncomfortable in any way. My decision to distance myself or leave should not be interpreted as a sign of discomfort or unease.

Who is my God? The creator of the universe, the God of Abraham Isaac and Moses, is Allah in Arabic language

Both alcohol and pork are prohibited in Islam, and Muslims are expected to avoid them as part of their faith and practice.

Steep:
Anybody that claims he is worshiping one God you assume it must be the same with the Christian God.
How can allah who doesn't have a son, be the same God of Christians who have a son?

like I said na different Ideology curse am

Kingsempires:
like I said na different Ideology curse am

It is serious, having the wrong God means believing in a lie, which has eternal an eternal consequence.

Kingsempires:
like I said na different Ideology curse am

Even in Judaism, the term "Son of God" does not carry the same connotations as it does in Christianity. In the Jewish context, "Son of God" can refer to a person who has a special relationship with God, such as a king or a righteous individual, but it does not imply divinity. It’s more of a metaphorical or symbolic expression of a close relationship or special status rather than a literal divine nature.