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When Was the Prophet of Islam - Salallaahu alayhi wa sallam - Born?

Popular but Unreliable Stories Series III

By Aboo Naasir - Hafidhahu-Llaah

There is hard evidence in the books of hadeeth and history that the Prophet, Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam), was born on a Monday and that he was born in the Year of the Elephant. As such, no known difference occurs among the people of knowledge on these points. However, that he was born in the month of Rabiu al-Awwal and specifically on its 12th day, although popular, is unreliable! The problem is compounded by the difference in the dates cited in the books of history.

Imam Ibn Katheer (d. 774 AH) – the author of the widely read book of Tafseer – has uniquely compiled the various dates that have been mentioned: Some say he was born on 17th Rabiu al-Awwal, others cite 2nd Rabiu al-Awwal and some others gave 8th Rabiu al-Awwal. 10th Rabiu al-Awwal, 17th Rabiu al-Awwal and 22nd Rabiu al-Awwal were also given in different sources. Other sources even said he was born in the month of Ramadan! Yet, no one of these dates – not any – is transmitted with an authentic chain!

The most deserving of attention is that collected by Ibn Abee Shaybah in his Musannaf from ‘Affan on the authority of Sa’eed bin Meenaa from Jabir bin Abdullah and Abdullah bin Abbass that: “The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) was born in the Year of the Elephant on the 12th day of Rabiu al-Awwal...” [al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah 2/260]. Apart from the fact that giving the chain of report includes a declaration that this report is weak and unreliable, Imam Ibn Katheer expressly said, “It has a broken chain.” [al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah 3/109]. And this is clear. ‘Affan bin Muslim as-Saffaar, a 10th category reporter cited the report from Sa’eed bin Meenaa, a tabi’ee in the 3rd category. [See Taqreeb at-Tahdheeb no. 2649 and 5200]. Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdullah al-‘Ushan included this date in his book on Maa shaa’a walam yathbut fee as-Seerat an-Nabawiyyah (Popular But Unreliable Reports Cited in the Prophet’s Biography) pg. 5-10, and Dr. Akram Diyaa al-‘Umaree who stipulated to give only reliable reports in his book about the Prophet’s biography did not even mention any of the dates at all.

So, that the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) was born on 12th Rabiu al-Awwal lacks evidence. He - sallallaahu alayhi wasallam - had said, “It suffices for a man to prove himself a liar when he goes on narrating whatever he hears”. (Muslim 7).

Dear reader, the fact remains that our religion is based on proven facts and Allah the Mighty and Sublime has promised and actually preserved it from any inclusions and deletions. If the actual date of birth of the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) has any act of worship consequent upon it, it would have been authentically preserved. The message of the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) is centred upon rejecting every other deity and giving servitude to Allah Alone, FOLLOWING the Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam), not upon baseless suppositions and religious innovations.

Allahu al-Musta’an.

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Also read In Madeenah Singing And Drumming Welcomed The Prophet Salallaahu'Alayhi Wasallam

Ekrenji:
Ok. We will help u to celebrate his birthday. just remind us when it is time but I heard that some of u Muslims don’t like celebrating his birthday

Rashduct4luv:
Celebrating Birthdays is unfounded in Islam!

The day the Prophet was born is unknown!

Ekrenji:
What then is the point of your post?

Rashduct4luv:
The point is that the date the Prophet was born is not know for certain!

Ekrenji:
I understand you now, you are saying that some Muslims celebrating Molid Nabiy are wrong?
I am sure many of them have their evidences too and they will say you are wrong too. This life is not from point A to point B, we all can’t see things same way

Rashduct4luv:
They are wrong. And all there evidences are wrong!

If there's any benefit in the celebration the Prophet himself would have done it.

His companions too would have followed!

The Prophet gave us Islam clearly and nothing is hidden from what will take us to Paradise and Hell!

Rashduct4luv:
The point is that the date the Prophet was born is not know for certain!

TenQ:
Can you please help me with at least one or two secular historical sources at the time of Mohammed asides islamic sources showing that Mohammed, the great military and religious leader of the Arabs even existed?

Rashduct4luv:
Of what use is this to you a Christian who doesn't believe in Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam or Islam or even strict monotheism?

TenQ:
Educational information and curiousity sir!
I don't believe in Alexander the Great too sir but I am familiar with his history and anticedent.

The question again:

Can you please help me with at least one or two secular historical sources at the time of Mohammed asides islamic sources showing that Mohammed, the great military and religious leader of the Arabs even existed?


On Taoheed, please cover your head in shame because it limits your Allah to a status as low as that of Iblis. As you know that Iblis is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent: is it different for Allah?

Rashduct4luv:
We believe he existed mainly because of the Qur'an and Sunnah which could have never been revealed by any human entity! Islam needs no validation from secular sources like Christianity! So Buddhism/Hinduism to be proven true their originators must have evidence from one or two secular historical sources! That's absurd!

Rashduct4luv:
And as regard Taoheed, which is the oneness of Allah in His Lordship, in His worship and His names and Attributes, how does this compare to Iblis?

1. Iblis once worshipped Allah in the company of the Angels!
2. Iblis was granted respite by Allah till the day of resurrection!
3. Iblis has no power of his own except whatever Allah wills.

Rashduct4luv:
4. Allah is omniscient, omnipotent and Omnipresent as it befits His majesty! He is not human like us nor like the Angels or Jinn! He is not comparable to any of His creations!

TenQ:
In other words, there exist no single collaborative evidence outside Islam that Mohammed existed even though he was a successful political and military leader.

Taoheed limits the attributes of Allah to the attributes of Iblis as Allah is not Omnipresent nor Omnipotent nor Omniscient exactly as Iblis.

Let me prove it to you
1. Omnipresence:
Omnipresence means Being equally present everywhere in both physical and spiritual space and time.
a. If Allah is on his throne above the seven heavens upon the waters, then Allah is not at the same time below the seven heavens. Thus Allah is not Omnipresent .
b. If Allah cannot enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah, then Allah is not present within any of his creation and thus Allah is not Omnipresent.

2. Omnipotence:
Omnipotence means having infinite powers to BE and DO whatever thing that doesn't negate his Almighty Power.
a. Allah cannot have a child because he doesn't have a girlfriend (consort) unlike Mary who can have a Son without the need for a man or copulation.
b. Does Allah have the power to be Omnipresent? No! Is it possible for Allah to be somewhere and everywhere at the same time? No! Thus Allah is not Omnipotent

3. Omniscience:
Omniscience means having perfect knowledge of the Past, Present and Future of Everything.
a. Does Allah know how a Baby is formed? No! Allah thinks a baby is formed from the sperm which turns into congealed blood.
b. Does Allah know the Destiny of the young boy killed by Al-Khidr? No! Allah did not know that the boy would not grow up into Adulthood.
c. Can Allah answer questions like
-who stole the red underwear Mohammed was accused of stealing ?
- what is a spirit?
- what is the number of sleeping people in the cave?


So, can you see how Taoheed limits Allah to a being who is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent?

Rashduct4luv:
Make sure you read it to the end! You can get the books or search the references if available online.

Lamartine
"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls... the forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unit of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words."
"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

Histoire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol II, pp. 276-77

George Bernard Shaw
"If a man like Muhamed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness."

Edward Gibbon and Simon Ocklay
"It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved, after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran...The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. 'I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God', is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."

History of the Saracen Empire, London, 1870, p. 54

Encyclopedia Britannica
" a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men." (Vol. 12)

Prof. C. Snouck Hurgronje
"The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues: "The fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations ."

Mahatma Gandhi
"I wanted to know the best one who holds today's undisputed way over the hearts of millions of mankind....I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These -and not the sword- carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."

Sarogini Naidu
The famous poetess of India says about Islam: "It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'! I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother."

Ideals of Islam, video Speeches and Writings, Madras, 1918, p.169

Bosworth Smith
"He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports."

Mohammed and Mohammadanism, London 1874, p. 92

James A. Michener
"Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570 into an Arabian tribe that worshipped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five his employer, recognizing his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older, he married her, and as long as she lived, remained a devoted husband."
"Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy of serving as the transmitter of God's word, sensing his own inadequacy. But the angel commanded 'Read'. So far as we know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of the earth: "There is one God."
"In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred, and rumors of God's personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have announced, 'An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human-being.'
"At Muhammad's own death an attempt was made to deify him, but the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history: 'If there are any among you who worshipped Muhammad, he is dead. But if it is God you worshipped, He lives forever.'"

Rashduct4luv:
Taoheed is not only about names and Attributes! It is more than that!

There's Taoheed of Lordship! Only Allah creates, provides divinely, etc.
There's Taoheed of Worship! Only Allah deserves being worshipped, being prayed to, etc.

Rashduct4luv:
This is error filled! Allah has absolute knowledge of all things! So He is present everywhere by His knowledge. Since He is present by his knowledge why does He still need to be physically present in his creation? This is like saying the creator of a computer OS need be in the OS to control it or know what is happening in there! Allah is greater than all his creations combined together! His Throne extends over the heavens and the earth!

Rashduct4luv:
Allah has no need for sons to inherit him. He has no need for sons, wives, etc. Allah is the All-Mighty! The God who begets no one and is not begotten! This is the real power! Being able to save your creations without the need to kill anyone!

Rashduct4luv:
Actually i don't know how all these relates to Taoheed (Oneness) of Allah!

BlackfireX:
His birth day ...unknown
His face ...... unknown.
Where he will go when he died ..... unknown

Rashduct4luv:

Yeah!

Jesus's birthday too unknown!

His face too unknown!

But they both will be in paradise!

Rashduct4luv:
We believe he existed mainly because of the Qur'an and Sunnah which could have never been revealed by any human entity! Islam needs no validation from secular sources like Christianity! So Buddhism/Hinduism to be proven true their originators must have evidence from one or two secular historical sources! That's absurd!

Rashduct4luv:
And as regard Taoheed, which is the oneness of Allah in His Lordship, in His worship and His names and Attributes, how does this compare to Iblis?

1. Iblis once worshipped Allah in the company of the Angels!
2. Iblis was granted respite by Allah till the day of resurrection!
3. Iblis has no power of his own except whatever Allah wills.
4. Allah is omniscient, omnipotent and Omnipresent as it befits His majesty! He is not human like us nor like the Angels or Jinn! He is not comparable to any of His creations!

SIRTee15:
It's important to corroborate religious claims with non religious evidence otherwise it's nothing but blind faith.
If we are not even sure Muhammed exist, how do we know the Quran is true.

SIRTee15:
The book simply copied from other books. All the story of Jesus in the Quran are from apocryphal gospel books.

SIRTee15:
If Allah is truly one as Muslims claim, Can I worship the shin of Allah?

Qasim6:
See who is talking about corroborating religious claims with non religious evidence here. I'm glad you know it's something akin to a blind faith without that corroboration.

Qasim6:
Which of your gospels is not apocryphal? Or because some people canonised 4 that suit whatever their agenda was out of all the gospels that were flying around in the 1st and 2nd century
-that automatically make that 4 non-apocryphal?
-That automatically make the information in others null and void?
-That automatically make all the information in the canonised Gospels 100% true?

Qasim6:
I'm not sure you guys realize how lame it is when you guys make this nonsense claim that Prophet Muhammad copied from here and there to make up the text of the Qur'an. What you are telling us is that he must have had a very big hidden library that no one knew of except him, and he must have been able to read and understand in at least these languages: Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Egyptian hieroglyphs(a lost language at the time). Yet what we know about him and what his companions knew is that he couldn't even read or write in his native language.

Qasim6:
You are making this claim of prophet Muhammad copying from somewhere and you are reading the synoptic gospels that are side by side in your scripture and yet you can't smell a rat about them copying from each other.
Christianity hypocrisy is out of this world, it is something forged in hell.

Qasim6:
Why exactly do you want to worship the shin of Allah?

SIRTee15:
So tell us what contemporary evidence of Muhammed existence do we have? Even your hadiths were written 200 yrs after his death so they can't be called contemporary and their high possiblity of legendary embellishment to make Muhammed what he's not.

SIRTee15:
Calm down, books written late in 2nd century claiming to have been written by James or Thomas cannot be true. These disciples were long dead.
It's just common sense. That makes those gospel book instant apocryphal. The content in the books were unheard of until late 2nd century.

SIRTee15:
How can U claim Muhammed wasn't aware of bible stories when everyone around him knew the stories.
When he started his ministry, the people told him to his face that they are familiar with his recitation stories, they have heard it b4 and are tales of the ancient people of the past. They even told him they could come up with something similar if they want to. All these are in your Qur'an.
Bible stories are not new to the people of ancient Arabia, so how come it's new to Muhammed?

How come everyone knew the bible stories except Muhammed? How come everyone in Arabia peninsula are familiar with bible stories except Muhammed.
Muhammed can't read but he could hear!!!

Where was Muhammed when everyone was hearing about the bible stories?

That's the mystery I want U to help me solve.

SIRTee15:
If anything, the gospel writers never lied they heard it from God. That's the issue with the Muhammed and his Qur'an.
As far as am concerned I rather prefer someone that copied from contemporary books written close to lifetime of Christ than Muhammed that copied from gospels written 200 yrs after Christ.

SIRTee15:
So tell us what contemporary evidence of Muhammed existence do we have? Even your hadiths were written 200 yrs after his death so they can't be called contemporary and their high possiblity of legendary embellishment to make Muhammed what he's not.

SIRTee15:
Calm down, books written late in 2nd century claiming to have been written by James or Thomas cannot be true. These disciples were long dead.
It's just common sense. That makes those gospel book instant apocryphal. The content in the books were unheard of until late 2nd century.

SIRTee15:
because Allah is ONE AND HAS NO PARTS ACCORDING TO MUSLIMS.
IF ALLAH IS ONE, WHY CANT I WORSHIP HIS SHIN.

SIRTee15:
It's important to corroborate religious claims with non religious evidence otherwise it's nothing but blind faith.
If we are not even sure Muhammed exist, how do we know the Quran is true.
The book simply copied from other books. All the story of Jesus in the Quran are from apocryphal gospel books.

If Allah is truly one as Muslims claim, Can I worship the shin of Allah?

BlackfireX:
You are joking or naive