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immortalcrown:
The spiritual preparation includes but is not only the confession.

The spiritual preparation is by Catholics who are baptized and confirmed. Confession and celebration of the Holy Mass by baptized and confirmed Catholics are the preparation mentioned in the announcement. The announcement does not mean that someone who went for confession should not receive the holy communion.

The announcement simply means that the holy communion is for baptized and confirmed Catholics who went for confession participated in the celebration of the Holy Mass. As a matter of fact, a baptized and confirmed Catholic who could not go for confession before the celebration of the Holy Mass can receive the holy communion and go for confession after the Mass.

CreatedtwoRule:
Confirmation as a Catholic to qualify one for the communion: is this biblical or just catholic tradition, bible references are welcomed! Because communion does not discriminate whether a member of another religion outside of Christianity.

Ubenedictus:
You seem to be reading just half or a part of scripture. Jesus said take and eat but he also told them just before that supper that "you are clean through not all". What else does the bible say about this.
1 cor 11
So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.


If that announcement made helped a brother or sister to examine himself or herself to see if they partake worthily and are discerning of what they receive, then that's a good one. They are doing exactly what Paul says. Discern before you eat

paxonel:
you certainly have nothing to do with the right answers to the op question.
They cannot edify you.
At it stands right now nothing works in your brain, so nothing can help you

ocnovakmichael:
It is not about the right answer. It is about understanding that as a Catholic, having asked for mercy several times during the mass, I should be bold to walk down the isle to the altar to receive the communion. But this is not the case with many in the church.

Last week Sunday, while the communion was going on, I saw good Catholics sitting on the pew regurgitating over their sins in self condemnation. These are those who received the communion the previous week but last week Sunday they did not go to the altar to receive and my question is why? Does it mean God did not hear their prayer during the mass? I know God heard their prayers because the word says, if we confess our sins, he is able to forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. But these Catholics have not had this understanding.

I weep in my heart every time I go to mass and see my fellow Catholics disenfranchising themselves from the communion, the body of Christ, because they lack understanding of righteousness. It is not about them, it's about Jesus and his sacrifice, and what the word of God says. If only Catholics would stand on the word, oh!

paxonel:
Anything doctrine in most churches and religious settings are treated and handled much more conservatively irrespective of acquired knowledge.
I can tell you that the ancient Vatican had restricted the bible from ancient Catholics allowing only the priests to have assess to it. But when Catholics started having assess to the the bible in the late 18th century and were seeing disparties in doctrines, it was already late to do doctrinal corrections, even till this day.

ocnovakmichael:
These were written for us Catholics to put our faith in Gods word, not on our doctrines.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're convinced that the doctrines of your religion negates God's word then why continue with such a religion?

Jesus said:

"You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32

Had it been someone else is saying this you will say such a person is demeaning your faith but ọmọ it's you as in your own very self so why delay if you know your religion church is teaching heresy?

Well your parents have played their part that's why you found yourself in a religion claiming Christian because they (your parents) decided to stop worshiping what they realized is false God but if you after knowing this stick to what they discovered then you are practicing what your parents abandoned: IDOLATRY!

ocnovakmichael:
Thanks brother, you're not far from the truth. I know the truth because the Holy Spirit is my teacher. However, because I know the truth that's the reason I'm sharing with my fellow Catholics.

MaxInDHouse:
If Holy Spirit teaches you then who is teaching the Catholic Church?

ocnovakmichael:
The Catholic congregation, bless their hearts, wants to serve God in their very core of heart but are wrong in their heads in some doctrines.

MaxInDHouse:
Is it the followers that should be blamed or those teaching them?

Catholics are good and sincere, and want to serve God, but there's no teacher to teach them the word. They're like sheep without shepherd. I know this because I'm a Catholic.

ocnovakmichael:
Here is my answer:
Catholics are good and sincere, and want to serve God, but there's no teacher to teach them the word. They're like sheep without shepherd. I know this because I'm a Catholic.

MaxInDHouse:
What is the role of Pope and the Vatican?

ocnovakmichael:
The question shouldn't be "what's the role of the Pope and the Vatican?" rather the question should be what are Catholic members doing about it? The Holy Spirit is the greatest teacher, but many Catholics have refused to open the Bible and read for themselves.
Until you open the Bible and read, the Spirit cannot do much to help you!

MaxInDHouse:
If you know so much about the incompetence of your church then why remain a Catholic?

Jesus told his disciples:

“Keep your eyes open and watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Matthew 16:6
Well this means his disciples should watch out, not for the leaven of bread, but the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

So if the Catholic Church is teaching heresy and you remain there don't you think you are trying to mend a sinking ship?

ocnovakmichael:
Christ is the head over all things to the church, even Catholic churches. The Catholic church though might be wrong in many doctrines, yet will not sink because Jesus is still on the throne as the head over all church, irrespective of denomination.

What would happen is that God would raise pocket cell members in the Catholic church to steer the minds of many to the word of God. In the years to come, you will see doctrinal reforms in the Catholic church as the younger generation would be steered by the Spirit of God and this will cause a ripple effect in the church at large, beginning from Africa.

Before your generation will pass away, you will see this come to pass.

MaxInDHouse:
Please read what Jesus said about false religion created by Satan in the name of Jesus @ Matthew 13:24-30

He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’  He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse. Matthew 13:24-30

According to Jesus it's Satan who is behind the numerous religions claiming Christians today real disciples of Christ have the same line of thought and teaching {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} so don't think countless religions contradicting themselves in doctrines and teachings are all disciples of Christ Jesus that's Satan's plan to blur the senses of unsuspecting individuals! 2Corinthians 4:4

Jesus' disciples have a work assigned to them and they are doing just that from the first century till today!

ocnovakmichael:
I'm not talking about religions. I'm talking about the church of Christ. The Bible says, no man can say Jesus is Lord save by the Spirit of God.

MaxInDHouse:
What God's word is saying here is for believers who believes "Jesus is Lord" in their hearts not those saying it publicly like the demons are hypocritically doing! Luke 4:41

‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’” Matthew 15:8-9

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness! Matthew 7:21-23

“Why, then, do you call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say?" Luke 6:46


So don't be deceived my friend God's word in what you quoted is referring to those who are saying "Jesus is Lord" in their hearts because they will always obey whatever he says but as for many they're just mimicking what others say they don't sanctify the Christ as Lord in their hearts!

Good morning!

ocnovakmichael:
Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. I just got through telling you that Catholics believe in Christ but are wrong in some doctrines. That should put your concerns to rest.
Don't throw away the child with the bathing water. For as much as Catholics have doctrinal issues, that doesn't mean they don't believe in Christ.
The import of my dialogue with you is not to argue who is right, but to expound the word of God using instances to edify others.
So don't try to come across as knowledgeable, but come across to help other Christians with your knowledge. I see no point in that.

MaxInDHouse:
how do you think Jesus will leave billions of people without directing those taking the lead to the stream of living water {John 4:10} so that the whole vatican is left in spiritual darkness while you here on Nairaland will be the one to guide members of a religion having billions of members?

MaxInDHouse:
Well there are many religions claiming they're Christians simply because they worship in the name of Jesus but they don't know God's will which they must do that is why Jesus said people practicing such religion will not enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 7:21-23

So if you say a religion believe in Jesus but the members don't know the teachings of Jesus then in what sense can they believe in what they don't know? Romans 10:2-3

For your information no local religions haven't heard of that name Jesus and as long as many keep shouting that name as if it will bring them good luck millions are looking for ways to get connected to that name that's why many religions are claiming they believe in Jesus whereas they know almost nothing about Jesus of Nazareth.

I'm not here to argue with you either my concern is how much you are worried about your friends and families born into the Catholic Church. If the Catholics Church belongs to Christ how do you think Jesus will leave billions of people without directing those taking the lead to the stream of living water {John 4:10} so that the whole vatican is left in spiritual darkness while you here on Nairaland will be the one to guide members of a religion having billions of members?

Well the truth is that the Catholic Church is not for Christ and if you care to know why i will use the scriptures to enlighten you.

Good morning!