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| When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by gohf(op): 2:31pm On Sep 13, 2024 |
When I say Jesus is not God, I am not speaking about divinity but his identity. Jesus is divine being the son of the Most High God, but for his identity he is not the Most High God. Gabriel did not say, and the Most High God shall become flesh in you, infact it was the Power of the Most High and not even the Most High himself Luke.1.32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, Luke.1.35 The angel replied, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby born to you will be holy, and he will be called the Son of God. Why is it so important to believe that Jesus is the son of God and not God. Well so that what is written in the new testament makes more sense to you, how he humbled himself and expects us to humble ourselves as well, how he obeyed God and expects us to obey God as well. John was the one who wrote the Father, the Son and he Holy Spirit but did he call them three Gods? Where is it written and who said that these three are Gods? Why would God the Father reveal He is God alone and then change to become three Gods? Who is lying? God does not lie but we humans do Maybe due to our improper understanding... Let us look at Revelations where Jesus and the Father God is revealed (do you know some would read this statement as one person being spoken about 😩) The Father God speaking Rev.1.8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev.21.6 - And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. Rev.21.7 - He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But this is what Jesus says of himself Rev.22.16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." But this what the Father says of himself Rev.22.12 - "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. Rev.22.13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." But this is Jesus the Son Rev.2.1 "To the angel of the church of Ephesus write, "These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: Rev.2.8 "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, "These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: (Before you jump at First and the Last; Matt.20.16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen." Jesus the first and last begotten son who came to die for us, when we say first and last it means only one, he alone is Christ anointed by God alone) Rev.2.12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, "These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: Rev.2.18 "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, "These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: Rev.3.1 "And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, "These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: "I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Rev.3.7 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write, "These things says He who is holy, He who is true, "He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens": Rev.3.14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, "These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: Wait Jesus calls himself the beginning of God's creation oh oh Ladies and gentlemen, brethren God is NOT an author of confusion There is no mystery and deception that God came down and no one knew, there is no new revelation except from the pit of hell, for any spirit to doesn't testify that Jesus the son of God came in the flesh is a lying and false spirit. |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:04am On Sep 14, 2024 |
gohf:This statement only works in the congregation of God but where Satan is playing hide and seek rebellious humans will worship together in deception claiming they are brethren! ![]() |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by 1gbdata: 8:04pm On Sep 15, 2024 |
Well articulated. |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Tetraozonaitera: 11:49pm On Sep 15, 2024 |
gohf:@ THE BOLDED ![]() THE WAY YOU GUYS MANIPULATE SCRIPTURES TO SUIT YOUR BELIEFS IS SO AMAZING! SEE THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN AWAY THE "FIRST AND THE LAST" you attributed to Jesus! Chai! So that one is associated to the first will be the last and the last will the first. ![]() THE OTHER "THE FIRST AND THE LAST" HAS DIFFERENT MEANING ABI? ![]() WHERE IN THE BIBLE WERE THEY SEPARATED AND EXPLAINED DIFFERENTLY? ![]() YOU GUYS AND WATCHTOWER TEACHING ARE JOKERS. KEEP DECEIVING YOURSELVES. ![]() |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:07am On Sep 16, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:The Bible from Genesis to Revelations has only one theme: God's Kingdom Message! Matthew 3:2; 4:17 The rest is about how life started, how rebellion led to the situation we found ourselves today, what God promised to resolve the big issue and [b]what we will notice to know how we can participate in the sanctification of God's Holy Name that was defamed from the beginning. So any religion that failed to help it's adherents join in sanctifying God's name and upholding His sovereignty has been thoroughly misled by Satan. We can argue and argue in support of what our religion taught us but then we don't have to keep on deceiving ourselves when the religion we practice failed to meet up with God's will. God foretold: And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah 2:2-4 There are hundreds of thousands of religions in our world but only the WATCHTOWER is fulfilling what this prophecy says today! Jesus of Nazareth said: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23 God's will has always remain the same from the beginning until now it's about filling the planet with humans and making them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Genesis 1:28} so if any religion failed to unite people of all races yet claiming they have the knowledge of God ọmọ it's a lie! ![]() |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MightySparrow: 7:11am On Sep 16, 2024 |
I am waiting for the person below to comment |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Tetraozonaitera: 9:23am On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:This is one of the areas you guys get it wrong. Thinking you are the only religion accepted by God is delusion. WATCHTOWER is the only one fulfilling what the prophecy says. How? Because you walk about preaching? "Go Ye into the World?" That is the way you have chosen to carry out the instruction. Others have their ways of doing that. |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by gohf(op): 10:04am On Sep 16, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:Jesus is the only begotten the only Lamb And the Father is the only true God. Did your eyes not see it or did you not read it. At least tell yourself the truth |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:05am On Sep 16, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:About the highlighted there are many religions out there PREACHING the word and claiming they are for God or Jesus but which group is following the way Jesus commanded his disciples to do it? Another thing you tried to dodge is the certain result that must follow if any religion is getting things right: They will become WITNESSES of the fact that the Prince of Peace walked the earth {Act 1:8} because they must achieve PEACE among themselves first {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} if others will see the light permeating their gathering! Matthew 5:14-16 Ọmọ the one and only organization of people achieving all of these by preaching from house to house and door to door is Jehovah's Witnesses and ironically Jesus said his disciples will be hated by all people and YES you people get really annoyed at the mention of "Jehovah's Witnesses" John 15:17-19 You can continue deceiving yourself i have found the light Jesus promised among his own disciples as it's so glaring that he was talking about JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. If you wish to refute this just present another religion among the thousands of different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming they're Christians that has been able to meet up with at least 10% of all the things Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved in less than 200 years! May you have PEACE! |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Tetraozonaitera: 10:32am On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:There is nothing bad in making one's self feel good. So ride on. And for your information, I dont hate Jehovah witnesses. I still read Awake till date. I started reading awake as a teenager. My best friend is a witness. We were childhood friends and we are both family men today. He is an elder in your congregation. All that said, only those who dont know the word of God you guys can convince with your doctrines. |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:47pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:With this i'm OK, i just want you to know that i was not born a member it's what Jesus said about his disciples that drew me closer to Jehovah's Witnesses because out of all the religions claiming Christians only the Jehovah's Witnesses meet up. Tetraozonaitera:So whenever you want to talk anywhere always remember that you are still reading the AWAKE magazine (published by the WATCHTOWER) your best friend is trained by the WATCHTOWER and you're also a family friend of Jehovah's Witnesses who are students of the same WATCHTOWER. ![]() |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Tetraozonaitera: 1:29pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:I read watchtower and awake because not all your doctrines I see as wrong. There are lots that are facts. I pick the ones I can see are not against the Bible teachings and discard those I see unfit to imbibe. Peace |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Kingsempires(m): 1:44pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:Jehovah witness people are nice people is only their doctrines that makes most people to hate them ![]() |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Kingsempires(m): 1:46pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:how did you open your mind for them to convert you? |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:48pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera: Tetraozonaitera:It's OK my guy it's OOOOK! ![]() |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:53pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Kingsempires:There is nothing nice in sinful humans {Isaiah 64:6} it's Jesus' teachings that makes the difference {Matthew 5:14-16} Satan just multiplied the religions claiming Christians to confuse honest hearted and sincere individuals but wise people can't be stopped from identifying the one and only organization that's practicing what Jesus taught! ![]() |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Kingsempires(m): 1:58pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:so which religions claiming christians that Satan multiple ? |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:05pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Kingsempires:Jesus commissioned Christianity to help Jehovah's Witnesses connect themselves throughout the earth. So if you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses no matter the religion you were born JEHOVAH'S Angels will direct Jehovah's Witnesses to you through the preaching and teaching program Jesus commissioned. So i was one of Jehovah's Witnesses but born into another religion. The voice of our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus is what we his sheep used to hear: "The WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE" Wherever you see another who wants to be a part of the one and only organization of God Please! Please!! Please!!! Introduce him or her to Jehovah's Witnesses because that's the voice we want to hear no matter the religion that person may be he or she supposed to be a member of our family in the house of faith! Matthew 10:6 |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Kingsempires(m): 2:11pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:how can I invite someone to JW when am not a JW will the person not ask me that am inviting him/her to a religion/organization that am not going to |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:22pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Kingsempires:All religions that welcome contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines as fellow believers are Satan's agents! If you're not having the same line of thought with Jesus you can't be his brother in the house of faith! Matthew 12:46-50 I was born a Muslim and i always believe that only Islam is acceptable to God but when i began seeing fractions in Islam and to worsen matters Islam couldn't unite its adherents in the face of politics and racism i saw believers who both went to Mecca, climbed the Arafat and parted joyfully as one family worshiping the SUPREME ALLAH then due to racial prejudice they forgot all the sweet memories i started to have doubts about Islam and began considering Atheism. So i prayed to God for guidance asking Him to send His messengers to me because i want to worship Him in the midst of His Holy Ones. But i was shocked that from that very day the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES kept coming to me one way or another though i don't think there is anything good about Christianity but i began asking all the questions that's bothering about Islam and why people claiming believers in the same God are fighting and killing one another. They answered all my questions using the Bible that's what made me a Bible student till today and one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I hate wasting time whenever i see anyone who likes the way i answer questions about life and faith in God i quickly tell them that i learned all of these from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES because some people often flatter me calling me names like angel, wise one and so on. So instead of keeping such to myself i will tell you not to think about me rather think of the organization that taught me to become a fully competent and completely equipped Bible student! 2Timothy 3:16-17 |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:23pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Kingsempires:You are a Catholic nah so invite whoever feels you have what it takes to convince him or her to your Catholic Church. ![]() |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Kingsempires(m): 2:28pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:but there are Muslims or other religion that pray the kind of pray you prayed and they convert to Christian but not JW. Are those kind of people going the wrong way ? |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Kingsempires(m): 2:30pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:hmmm!! Ok |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:34pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Kingsempires:Remember what i said about contradictions in religions and how their Gods become useless in the face of politics and racial prejudice. Can their Gods help them in settling their disparities peacefully among themselves? Isaiah 2:4 If not then Satan only used tricks to take them to another branch of his religion! |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Kingsempires(m): 2:41pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:so apart from JW are they not other true christians now? |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:59pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Kingsempires:You don't get it, the group name "Christians" is not supposed to be what worshipers of the true God are called it's those practicing what Jesus taught that were called by that name in the first century. Act 11:26 So do you know any religion that's practicing what Jesus taught as in preaching zealously and industriously teaching in their neighborhood today? If they're not doing it then in what way are they CHRISTIANS? ![]() |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Kingsempires(m): 3:05pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:but you know that some crisis happened in the church today is man will, there are still some people practice true Christianity today |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:18pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Kingsempires:You mean to say: "there are nice people in the churches of Christendom" You often misconstrue niceness for Christianity but there are nice people in virtually all the religions on this planet that's not what it takes to be a Christian. A Christian is someone who has learned how to relate with his neighbors through the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. So no matter how nice or kind a person may prove to be if Jesus' way of relating with your neighbors irritates you then you can't be one of his disciples. That's the difference between niceness and Christianity! |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Tetraozonaitera: 3:34pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Kingsempires:They are nice people for real. They strive to serve God the best way they believe they should but seeing any other Christian as not accepted by God is one thing I dont like about them. To be a Child of God is so simple. Believe Jesus is the Son of God. Worship the living God Jehovah and forsake sinful ways. Thats being a child of God. Every other thing is secondary which may be necessary but not compulsory. There is Hell or No Hell -- Secondary Every child of God is going to heaven or 144,000 going -- Secondary Jesus is the same as Angel Michael--- Secondary Paradise in on earth, under the earth or in heaven-- Secondary You are baptized before death catches up with you or not-- Secondary. You got saved today and you died today and had no chance to preach to anyone -- Sencodary. BUT TO EVERY JW, IF YOU DONT KNOW ALL THESE OR DONT BELIEVE ALL THESE, YOU ARE NOT A CHILD OF GOD. THAT IS A WRONG DOCTRINE. I must not forget to say that the greatest blackmail I got in my entire life was by a Jehovah Witness. It really dented my image and almost gave me depression. Long Story. |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:03pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:Only Jehovah's Witnesses have this! Calling Jesus "Lord" and praying in his name is not what BELIEVING he is the Son of God rather it means bowing to whatever you read that Jesus approves or condemns. If you can't do that then you don't truly believe that he is the Son of God through whom you can be saved. So think DEEPLY about that! ![]() |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by Tetraozonaitera: 10:56pm On Sep 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:Stop being a Clown bro. This statement alone exposes the Fakeness in your belief. What lesson did you guys learn from the parable of Jesus of the pharisee and the poor woman in the Synagogue. Where the Pharisee was saying, "I am not like that sinner of there, I pay my tithe, I fast , I give alms" etc. I CALL YOU GUYS MODERN DAY PHARISEES. YOU ARE RAISED LIKE THAT SO, ITS NO SURPRISING. ONLY JEHOVAH WITNESSES BELIEVE IN JESUS ![]() DAY DREAMING |
| Re: When I Say Jesus Is Not God; Trinity Isn't The Gospel. by johnw47: 2:56am On Sep 17, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:lost false jw mad max it was satan's angels who directed so called Jehovah's witnesses to me long long ago one said; don't talk about Jesus, He is no one another said; that house over there is going to be mine after the family living there are killed at armageddon they said; there are only a few holy ones still alive and they are very old, (that was about 45 years ago) etc. etc. for some false jw's = once a fraud and a liar, always a fraud and a liar: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire |
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